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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by sod09(m): 1:46pm On Dec 06, 2017
MorataFC:


http://www.sportbible.com/football/news-the-best-goalkeeper-in-the-world-has-been-voted-for-20171205.amp.html
and you believe them shocked
Someone like you decided to write an article
Nawa for you
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by atheist5(m): 1:51pm On Dec 06, 2017
airmark:


When you play a 'door bolt', your attack must take most of the chances.

You should understand what conte wanted to do especially in Europe against the top guns. Block the channels, hit them on counter and grind out results.

You could easily tell by his body language each time we missed a big scoring chance. I still believe drinkwater would be useful as he recovers fully, finishing is essential in winning trophies.
my biggiest concern is not our finishes,as far as i am concern these are short term headaches,but the biggiest problem is midfield when the injuries come[and they will surely come]we will be left with no chance than to play donkeyoko in midfield,say we buy another midfield option there will be less worry there,then a decent wingback,we are set.
when last has any body won the champions league with that approach?,madrid raped juvetus in the final,and athletico always lost using this approach,to stand a chance in europe we need more than that,we need basic buildup we fucking hazard career chances,he deserves better
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 1:52pm On Dec 06, 2017
Nihilist:
Actually,I think there's a lot of sense in what Airmark is saying

Mancity have created 63 Big Chances in Total this season

Chelsea have created 33 in the same time period.

If City are creating around double the chances we create, then surely our main striker has to be more clinical in front of goal, if we are to try and keep pace with them?

Strikers generally miss chances at the same rate, If you are not creating enough chances then you should work on that.

Most elite strikers only convert 30% of their chances, If you create 33 for Morata then expect him to score 11, If you bring AGuero and still give him the same 33 chances he will also score around 11
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by BlueAngel444: 1:55pm On Dec 06, 2017
Ibime:


OK, lets assume Muller takes the AM position.

That leaves 2 CMs. Now tell me how Bakayoko will get into a midfield 2 that contains Thiago, Vidal, Rudy, Martinez and Kimmich.

Bayern will rather play Rafinha at RB and move Kimmich back to midfield than give one minute of action to a midfielder that nutmegs himself and fall on his nyash while trying to trap a simple ball.

There is a reason some of us called him amateur footballer, and that is because even some Nairalanders on this thread have better basic technique than him.


cheesy Oh no, grin kia see wicked tongue, lol.

ROTFL.

Don't worry baco bag will come through, I can only hope for the shake of Chelsea. I just have that feeling inside that he would still come good cheesy
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by MorataFC: 2:02pm On Dec 06, 2017
sod09:
and you believe them shocked
Someone like you decided to write an article
Nawa for you
No, i believe you.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nihilist: 2:05pm On Dec 06, 2017
raumdeuter:


Strikers generally miss chances at the same rate, If you are not creating enough chances then you should work on that.

Most elite strikers only convert 30% of their chances, If you create 33 for Morata then expect him to score 11, If you bring AGuero and still give him the same 33 chances he will also score around 11

Diego Costa only converted 7 big chances last season, and still managed to net 20, no penalties.

Costa could literally score from nothing - that goal against Stoke where he literally bundled Martins Indi away to score from a throw in comes to mind.

Obviously the supply volume and rate is very important too, no doubt.

But we have to see the big picture.

Realistically, the only way to catch City now is to ensure 3 points from 1 point games. We can't catch them on sheer firepower - They are creating more chances, scoring more goals, and crucially even conceding less goals. They've conceded the fewest shots in the league, conceded the fewest big chances in the league, and conceded the fewest chances overall in the league.

So efficiencies are needed all over the pitch if we're to stand a chance. Of course our defence needs to be tight, but you can only win a game if you score more than your opponent.

So upping efficiency infront of goal is paramount. Of course there's a valid argument that the other players can step up and score more goals, but saying that Morata does not need to up his goal scoring game is facetious as best cos He's the main source of goals for the team.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ibime(m): 2:07pm On Dec 06, 2017
I'd rather have a striker that misses chances than a striker too scared to run into scoring positions like Torres used to do.

So far, Morata has been an overwhelming success and assuaged my fears about him being too soft and having no heart to fight for ball.

His link up with Hazard has been more than fantastic also.

I say ride on Headmaster.

In USA 94, there was a chance Rashidi Yekini had to win the 2nd round game vs Italy. All he needed to do was chip Pagliuca but he blasted ball low at him. These things happen.

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by BlueAngel444: 2:11pm On Dec 06, 2017
nateevs:



No he doesn't. Because it is only partial acknowledgement of the actual facts. If anything, the numbers posted above show that Morata is doing actually, fantastically well, matching the output of City's top strikers in as many games but with only half the chances created.

This is the fact!


- doesn't have to be more clinical?

I agree that Oblak was in form yday but 5 shots on target from Morata, was too much. Yesterday he was unlucky and as much as I disagree with Airmark cheesy, I don't wish to watch such luck again.

Does Morata have to be more clinical? Well, what i can say is Morata has, and could increase more, his shoting technique and pray that the one uses beats the GK.

Beside he has the chances to develop and do well, Nihilist only mentioned the big chances and I know goals can come from anywhere so Morata can improve. Chelsea has 254 chances in both EPL and UCL while City has 255. Our wingbacks, midfielders need to start shooting well.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by cstr1000: 2:16pm On Dec 06, 2017
When Morata costs us against PSG in the next round, una eye go clear.

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nihilist: 2:20pm On Dec 06, 2017
BlueAngel444:
- doesn't have to be more clinical?

I agree that Oblak was in form yday but 5 shots on target from Morata, was too much. Yesterday he was unlucky and as much as I disagree with Airmark cheesy, I don't wish to watch such luck again.

Does Morata have to be more clinical? Well, what i can say is Morata has, and could increase more, his shoting technique and pray that the one uses beats the GK.

Beside he has the chances to develop and do well, Nihilist only mentioned the big chances and I know goals can come from anywhere so Morata can improve. Chelsea has 254 chances in both EPL and UCL while City has 255. Our wingbacks, midfielders need to start shooting well.

Well put.

Nobody said Morata is doing badly. but can he do better? Of course he can. Must he do better? Most definitely.

Yes Morata is keeping pace with City strikers, but City strikers are 11 points away.

If we all keep the same pace of scoring and conceding, then we finish the league at the same pace of 11 point gap. To reduce the deficit, we need to be super efficient everywhere, but most especially up front.

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by airmark(m): 2:22pm On Dec 06, 2017
atheist5:
my biggiest concern is not our finishes,as far as i am concern these are short term headaches,but the biggiest problem is midfield when the injuries come[and they will surely come]we will be left with no chance than to play donkeyoko in midfield,say we buy another midfield option there will be less worry there,then a decent wingback,we are set.
when last has any body won the champions league with that approach?,madrid raped juvetus in the final,and athletico always lost using this approach,to stand a chance in europe we need more than that,we need basic buildup we fucking hazard career chances,he deserves better

Injury is a problem to every department. If morata is injured we will be left with batshuayi alone as a natural striker. In fact we have more midfield options that upfront.

Juventus team used mostly old players to prosecute their campaign, you can't use that to compare with Chelsea and like I said earlier higuain is known for choking in big games.

With a potent striker, I believe we can go places with kante, drinkwater and fabregas against top opposition once our strikers take chances.
Ibime:
I'd rather have a striker that misses chances than a striker too scared to run into scoring positions like Torres used to do.

So far, Morata has been an overwhelming success and assuaged my fears about him being too soft and having no heart to fight for ball.

His link up with Hazard has been more than fantastic also.

I say ride on Headmaster.

In USA 94, there was a chance Rashidi Yekini had to win the 2nd round game vs Italy. All he needed to do was chip Pagliuca but he blasted ball low at him. These things happen.



And we paid dearly in our biggest chance of making the quarters, with a baggio that took his chance that day.

Misses happen, but morata is renowned for this. I have not seen much improvement in that aspect of his game.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 2:23pm On Dec 06, 2017
Nihilist:
Diego Costa only converted 7 big chances last season, and still managed to net 20, no penalties.
Costa could literally score from nothing - that goal against Stoke where he literally bundled Martins Indi away to score from a throw in comes to mind.
Obviously the supply volume and rate is very important too, no doubt.
But we have to see the big picture.
Realistically, the only way to catch City now is to ensure 3 points from 1 point games. We can't catch them on sheer firepower - They are creating more chances, scoring more goals, and crucially even conceding less goals. They've conceded the fewest shots in the league, conceded the fewest big chances in the league, and conceded the fewest chances overall in the league.
So efficiencies are needed all over the pitch if we're to stand a chance. Of course our defence needs to be tight, but you can only win a game if you score more than your opponent.
So upping efficiency infront of goal is paramount. Of course there's a valid argument that the other players can step up and score more goals, but saying that Morata does not need to up his goal scoring game is facetious as best cos He's the main source of goals for the team.

You just restated evertything I said before the season started in this post below

raumdeuter:
As much as I am on the go beg Costa back train, and I will love Morata to fail so I can laugh at Chelsea but some of these criticisms are way too early

Morata will never play like Costa, He isnt a Costa. Chelsea will have to change the way they attack and contribute to goals

If Morata doesnt score 30, but his play upfront enable the other attackers to score more by being less of an individualist and more of a team player.

Madrid won the league last season and their main striker Benzema scored 11 goals. If lazy and unproductive attackers like Hidden Hazard can step up and outscore Joshua King, Chelsea will be better

Morata will never score like Costa or score from nothing like Costa, What he will bring his improved linkup play which will make your other attackers improve, And it looks like his linkup with Hazard is getting more results

I used Madrid as an example they could have kept a selfish finisher like Higuain who will score more but stunt the other attackers but they went with Benzema whose linkup brings out the best in their other attackers

This seasons Hazard is one of the best he has been all his career. One of the reasons is the change in his position and having a striker like Morata on his wavelenght is key.

Now to City, they use 2 strikers, the equivalent of your own 2 strikers would be Morata and Hazard. If Morata is giving numbers similar to Aguero then Hazard should be giving numbers similar to Jesus.

There is also a tactical tradeoff in it, Guardiola banks on outscoring at the expense of his defence, you bank on keeping it tight, so you cannot expect your offensive products to be the same When Guardiola packs 6 attacking players on the field and you put only 2 max 3

A key question, If you bring Aguero, Jesus to Chelsea will they score more

Note. Since September ending in the league, in the multiple chances creating City in over 2 months Aguero has only scored from the penalty spot
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by MorataFC: 2:25pm On Dec 06, 2017
cstr1000:
When Morata costs us against PSG in the next round, una eye go clear.
abeg
#freemorata
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nihilist: 2:27pm On Dec 06, 2017
raumdeuter:


You just restated evertything I said before the season started in this post below



Morata will never score like Costa or score from nothing like Costa, What he will bring his improved linkup play which will make your other attackers improve, And it looks like his linkup with Hazard is getting more results

I used Madrid as an example they could have kept a selfish finisher like Higuain who will score more but stunt the other attackers but they went with Benzema whose linkup brings out the best in their other attackers

This seasons Hazard is one of the best he has been all his career. One of the reasons is the change in his position and having a striker like Morata on his wavelenght is key.

Now to City, they use 2 strikers, the equivalent of your own 2 strikers would be Morata and Hazard. If Morata is giving numbers similar to Aguero then Hazard should be giving numbers similar to Jesus.

There is also a tactical tradeoff in it, Guardiola banks on outscoring at the expense of his defence, you bank on keeping it tight, so you cannot expect your offensive products to be the same When Guardiola packs 6 attacking players on the field and you put only 2 max 3

A key question, If you bring Aguero, Jesus to Chelsea will they score more

Note. Since September ending in the league, in the multiple chances creating City in over 2 months Aguero has only scored from the penalty spot

There's no tactical trade-off bro.

City have the best attack AND defence in the league so far.

All I'm saying is that if we can't outscore them, or outdefend them, then we must be more efficient than them.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 2:28pm On Dec 06, 2017
Nihilist:
Well put.
Nobody said Morata is doing badly. but can he do better? Of course he can. Must he do better? Most definitely.
Yes Morata is keeping pace with City strikers, but City strikers are 11 points away.
If we all keep the same pace of scoring and conceding, then we finish the league at the same pace of 11 point gap. To reduce the deficit, we need to be super efficient everywhere, but most especially up front.

City is 11 points away because Chelsea dropped points in winnable games like vs Palace(No Morata) and Burnley(Morata didnt start) vs City(Morata left injured). That is 9 points lost in games Morata didnt start or left early

Also because their other players like Sane and especially Sterling have been delivering for them

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Lana1(m): 2:29pm On Dec 06, 2017
MorataFC:
TOP FIVE GOALKEEPER IN THE WORLD

1 Manuel Neuer
2 Gianluigi Buffon
3 Thibaut Courtois
4 Hugo Lloris
5 Jan Oblak



Manuel Neuer finishing top of the pile isn't THAT surprising, but the Germany captain has been sidelined for most of this season with a broken foot, making just four appearances for Bayern Munich. Gianluigi Buffon, who recently emotionally called time on his international career, follows behind in second, with Chelsea's Thibaut Courtois, Tottenham captain Hugo Lloris and Atletico Madrid's Jan Oblak rounding out the top five in third, fourth and fifth places respectively.

Hmmmm, where is David de Goliath?
Attention seeker. Hope u're enjoying the likes and shares.

Mesef can go and dig up mumu sites that rate DDG above the rest. But no be everybody get time.....except u apparently.

Lol. Hugo Lloris? FoH!! grin

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by BlueAngel444: 2:31pm On Dec 06, 2017
raumdeuter:


Javi Martinez, James, Vidal were all fit
That Javi Martinez does he play CB or DM for you guys self and why was he rocking bench if he was fit?

Finally James cheesy, he "might" just be better than Douglas grin, but he is playing wings and AM and not CM for you guys now.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by airmark(m): 2:31pm On Dec 06, 2017
cstr1000:
When Morata costs us against PSG in the next round, una eye go clear.

Some of us are prayer warriors, and ready to fight it in the other realm. Even if he is the one devil wants to use, he will get injured and miss our crucial matches until we lift the cup.

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Lana1(m): 2:32pm On Dec 06, 2017
Vanquay:


This is a massive L for Nihilist and the Bakayoko FC Confederacy grin

I have always said it FIFA are a bunch of wanksters...is this the same Bakayoko everyone and their grandfathers are conscripting on FUT...How you gon Meg yourself and still slip on your yansh. grin

Lol. That slip was both the funniest and saddest part.

Som1 that cant control simple passes. And cant even keep his balance. Which kind midfilder be that one...
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nihilist: 2:33pm On Dec 06, 2017
raumdeuter:


City is 11 points away because Chelsea dropped points in winnable games like vs Palace(No Morata) and Burnley(Morata didnt start) vs City(Morata left injured). That is 9 points lost in games Morata didnt start or left early

Also because their other players like Sane and especially Sterling have been delivering for them

This is true.

But how do we catchup?

Our forwards need to step up.

Our defence needs to tighten up

Standard.

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 2:33pm On Dec 06, 2017
Nihilist:
There's no tactical trade-off bro.
City have the best attack AND defence in the league so far.
All I'm saying is that if we can't outscore them, or outdefend them, then we must be more efficient than them.

WHile City have overwhelmingly the best attack they do not have the best defence. They have conceded more than Man Utd

They have kept 7 clean sheets vs Man Utds 9. Chelsea Arsenal also have 7 clean sheets

There will always be a trade off when you decide to priortize one part of the game over the other. when you put 6 attacking players on the field then you are betting on outscoring the opponent not keeping a clean sheet
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 2:38pm On Dec 06, 2017
Nihilist:
This is true.

But how do we catchup?

Our forwards need to step up.

Our defence needs to tighten up

Standard.

Forwards includes more people than Morata. Morata has been keeping up individually with his striking peers in the league, If there is a problem with you attack its has to do with other individuals

WHile Morata is draging and keeping pace with Kane Aguero Lukaku Lacazette first 2 are penalty takers in their team. the next best scorer in Chelsea is Hazard and he isnt keeping up with Sterling Jesus, rather he is on the level of Doucoure, Muray and Niasse
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nihilist: 2:39pm On Dec 06, 2017
raumdeuter:


WHile City have overwhelmingly the best attack they do not have the best defence. They have conceded more than Man Utd

They have kept 7 clean sheets vs Man Utds 9. Chelsea Arsenal also have 7 clean sheets

There will always be a trade off when you decide to priortize one part of the game over the other. when you put 6 attacking players on the field then you are betting on outscoring the opponent not keeping a clean sheet

They've conceded 1 more goal.

If DDG wasn't such a magician, the situation would be a lot more different.

As a team they have the best defensive stats in the league.

They've conceded 20 fewer shots that the next most miserly defence.

They've conceded the fewest chances in the league from any angle

They've conceded the fewest big chances too.

DDG cannot singlehandedly be the difference between city and manyoo for the rest if the season

At the current rates, United will definitely concede more goals than City.

They have the best defence in the league. Period.

Manyoo just has the best keeper.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 2:40pm On Dec 06, 2017
BlueAngel444:
That Javi Martinez does he play CB or DM for you guys self and why was he rocking bench if he was fit?

Finally James cheesy, he "might" just be better than Douglas grin, but he is playing wings and AM and not CM for you guys now.

Javi Martinez is back to full DM, James is between CM and AM.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nihilist: 2:43pm On Dec 06, 2017
raumdeuter:


Forwards includes more people than Morata. Morata has been keeping up individually with his striking peers in the league, If there is a problem with you attack its has to do with other individuals

WHile Morata is draging and keeping pace with Kane Aguero Lukaku Lacazette first 2 are penalty takers in their team. the next best scorer in Chelsea is Hazard and he isnt keeping up with Sterling Jesus, rather he is on the level of Doucoure, Muray and Niasse

Again I haven't said there is a problem with attack.

What I've said is that it's not enough to say you're matching up with Aguero and Jesus when they see more chances anyway and can afford to be more profligate over the course of the season.

If you're chasing somebody driving at 60 miles an hour, who is 60 miles away from you, you will never catch him if you also choose to drive at 60 miles an hour.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by sod09(m): 2:43pm On Dec 06, 2017
diggz:



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How only you wan use dey chop they sweet babe alone? I am not sorry to say sir.... na greed them they call that kind thing na...! me....I am not greedy bros.....you can have her for 23hrs of the day...me I only need an hour with her oga sir.....that one na my right....please don't deny me of it sir sad angry cheesy

This ur grandpa moves no go work braaah....I fit submit my birth certificate to prove you wrong self cheesy either way I look way younger than my age on ground so no worry...Papa can take good care of her sir grin
see them agbayas
God is watching you
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by BlueAngel444: 2:44pm On Dec 06, 2017
Simply put for Chelsea to have a successful season in EPL UCL they to create chances, hope Morata, Hazard stays fit and keeps scoring goals, and buy another goalscorer that will add 15 - 20goals
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 2:46pm On Dec 06, 2017
diggz:
Lol....he obviously doesn't score as much as ronaldo oga....are you trying to be mischievous here? angry cheesy

So why are you blaming Willian and Pedro who dont even start regularly instead of the big elephant in the room, I don't mean Ibime I mean Hidden hazard grin grin grin grin
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by diggz: 2:46pm On Dec 06, 2017
raumdeuter:


You just restated evertything I said before the season started in this post below



Morata will never score like Costa or score from nothing like Costa, What he will bring his improved linkup play which will make your other attackers improve, And it looks like his linkup with Hazard is getting more results

I used Madrid as an example they could have kept a selfish finisher like Higuain who will score more but stunt the other attackers but they went with Benzema whose linkup brings out the best in their other attackers


This seasons Hazard is one of the best he has been all his career. One of the reasons is the change in his position and having a striker like Morata on his wavelenght is key.

Now to City, they use 2 strikers, the equivalent of your own 2 strikers would be Morata and Hazard. If Morata is giving numbers similar to Aguero then Hazard should be giving numbers similar to Jesus.

There is also a tactical tradeoff in it, Guardiola banks on outscoring at the expense of his defence, you bank on keeping it tight, so you cannot expect your offensive products to be the same When Guardiola packs 6 attacking players on the field and you put only 2 max 3

A key question, If you bring Aguero, Jesus to Chelsea will they score more

Note. Since September ending in the league, in the multiple chances creating City in over 2 months Aguero has only scored from the penalty spot


Stop using madrid as an example bcuz having good link up play will not justify the almost empty net misses the wasteman called benzema keeps on repeating.

Why is it that whenever ronaldo is not on the pitch or not in form is link up play will fail to produce goals?

Please stoppeeet angry grin
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 2:49pm On Dec 06, 2017
diggz:
Stop using madrid as an example bcuz having good link up play will not justify the almost empty net misses the wasteman called benzema keeps on repeating.
Why is it that whenever ronaldo is not on the pitch or not in form is link up play will fail to produce goals?
Please stoppeeet angry grin

Madrids style is to defer to their main man, Its very common to see Benzema drift to the wings and Ronaldo stay in the box. Where else do you see this. They sold Higuain and kept Benzema for this reason

And dont worry about Madrid they are doing fine. 3 CL titles in the past 4 yrs with Benzema being a key starter

I think you should be worrying about other teams not Madrid
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Lana1(m): 2:49pm On Dec 06, 2017
raumdeuter:


They have conceded more than Man Utd

Its just 1 goal difference na..
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by diggz: 2:51pm On Dec 06, 2017
sod09:
see them agbayas
God is watching you


Bia sod...take Ur time angry I know you have interest in my gurl ibk......so just look front before I change it for you angry

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