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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by patrickmuf(m): 6:33am On Jan 02, 2018 |
sinizia:Happy birthday to the greatest manager in the history of our club and the EPL... |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 7:00am On Jan 02, 2018 |
sinizia: Scholes meant well for the club. Pogba worked very hard yesterday. He played with energy, winning 50-50 balls and running up and down the field. Mourinho should not 'worship' these players and spoil them. Last season he showed too much protection/respect to Ibrahimovic. This season, he is doing same to Lukaku and Pogba. They might get lazy in his hands. He has done well to make Pogba the captain, it shows he the future team will be built around him. But he has to make him mature and work. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by PietroRico(m): 7:17am On Jan 02, 2018 |
elampiro:the criticism didn't remind Pogba. The system changed. He would have struggled too us we stuck with that disjointed 4 4 2 |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by PietroRico(m): 7:20am On Jan 02, 2018 |
elampiro:Garry Neville has said one or 2 things about what Pogba was not doing right. It didn't get anyone annoyed. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 7:23am On Jan 02, 2018 |
PietroRico: The absence of Lukaku produced a 4-3-3. But it is not the first time we have played 4-3-3. Pogba surely worked better yesterday |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 7:26am On Jan 02, 2018 |
PietroRico: I guess Pogba didn't get annoyed, he raised his game. Mourinho is annoyed because he was told to stop talking about Manchester City. Scholes went on to say Guardiola has worked to build a good team. Scholes probably wanted Mourinho to seat down to work on his team. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by PietroRico(m): 7:28am On Jan 02, 2018 |
We are all lucky Pogba has the mentality he has. All the attacks he has been receiving from the moment he put pen to paper for things that aren't necessarily his fault dey enough to crumble many players. All the 89m this and that don reduce now. The haircut is his fault ![]() Just a few fays ago there were two useless back to back articles about innocuous things that the man was doing. He wore a fancy fur coat to training and there was a full blown article of criticism. He posted a video of himself celebrating new year and he was lambasted for celebrating new year after city won. Wtf? You can understand Jose jumping to his defence in t manner he did, with Scholes being the unfortunate scapegoat. Even though he may have overdid it a little 5 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by sinizia: 7:29am On Jan 02, 2018 |
PietroRico: Last season Pogba played this same role in some matches and struggled as well so it's not all down to the system. So while the system helped, Pogba showed resilience and put in an energetic display personally. A coach can change a system and the players still decide not to show up. Pogba deserved credit for actually upping his game. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nobody: 7:31am On Jan 02, 2018 |
PietroRico:Oga, there was nothing outrageous or excessive in what Scholes said. It was a pure constructive criticism which was crystal clear to everybody that Mourinho should be blamed for sudden collapse of Pogba's masterclass. Pogba is an attacking midfielder not a defensive midfielder and virtually everybody knows that the defensive and conservative football of the useless coach has wrecked havocs on him and the rest of the team and sucked confidence out of them. Only the plastic fans with blurred vision would see good in what Mourinho has done in the last 10 matches. Mourinho is a damn fool for attacking the legend like that. If it was left for Mourinho and some plastic fans, they would have asked the players to go on a defensive tactics against Everton. One thing is very sure, the useless coach would be shown the door soon. The United Board has seen enough and his reprisall attacks on the constructive criticisms of our legends has just nailed him to the coffin. 4 Likes |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by sinizia: 7:34am On Jan 02, 2018 |
elampiro: And all these things are what many fans find very annoying. It's what I've complained about last 2 days. Mourinho has virtually complained about everybody, from fans to rival coaches/clubs to ex-players and United board. He might be right in some of his complaints or even in all of them, but when he keeps whining constantly, nobody will support him. He brings bad publicity and it's damaging his reputation. He'd stop the unnecessary blame and focus on his players. 2 Likes |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by PietroRico(m): 7:36am On Jan 02, 2018 |
elampiro:how would you know? Even if we agree that Pogba wasn't annoyed. We all know why Mourinho was talking about city in the way he was. It is how he always intentionally deflects attention from his squad whenever there is about to be scrutiny. It is classic Mourinho. It is something he will almost always do. It is part of the Mourinho package. It doesn't mean Jose doesn't know he has to build a squad. Scholes should know this |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by PietroRico(m): 7:39am On Jan 02, 2018 |
sinizia:I have always maintained that Pogba wasn't poor last season. Even in the 1st half. 89m just didn't allow many people to be reasonable. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by PietroRico(m): 7:39am On Jan 02, 2018 |
IFearGod:sigh 1 Like |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nobody: 7:45am On Jan 02, 2018 |
elampiro:Exactly! It was a constructive criticism. This time, Paul Scholes got it right absolutely! We all know that Pogba doesn't need a suitsayer to tell him that he needs to improve some areas of his game. But due to the conservative football and defensive tactics of the coach, he has found himself useless recently in most of the games which Scholes pointed out. A manager of his calibre doesn't need to say anything; he could have just appreciate them and bury it. Just because we won Everton in styles; thanks to the attacking tactics we have all been clamouring for, he found his voice again. I'm pretty sure if not for the criticism, Mourinho would have asked them to go on defensive mode after the first goal. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by patrickmuf(m): 7:45am On Jan 02, 2018 |
PietroRico:Away from the system, you saw Pogba play like he did at Juventus, long range shots, purposeful take on, quick passes etc...You can say it's down to the system but the timing of the performance seems like an effect of Scholes criticism. 2 Likes |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by sinizia: 7:52am On Jan 02, 2018 |
PietroRico: He'd find a better way to "deflect attention from his squad". He's not the only coach under criticism. Klopp and Conte have had their fair share of criticism, but they used another approach to handle it. The "classic Mourinho" approach is bringing more haters for us. Due to his excessive complaints United have become the butt of jokes via memes on various social media. It's this "classic Mourinho" approach that made Conte fall out with him. It's why Conte doesn't even want to shake him. He talks about other clubs excessively. Did you read his "big club small club" comments about Chelsea, Arsenal and Co? Was that really necessary? He'd have found another way to pass his message. Chelsea fans loved him to death before, his loose mouth has cost him that reverence. I've talked about a BBC pundit called Garth Crooks who used to moan about Pogba's hair last season and people backed him because Pogba wasn't playing well. This season he tried it and got no supporter because Pogba had started playing well. So even if Mourinho was complaining about other clubs but his team kept producing good results, nobody will bat an eyelid. But in a scenario where your team is struggling, and instead of focusing on how to arrest the slump you're busy talking of Man City, Pep, Chelshit, Assanal and Klopp, don't expect any form of sympathy coz people will see you as a nagging wife even if you're right. 1 Like |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by sinizia: 7:58am On Jan 02, 2018 |
PietroRico:We'll have to agree to disagree on that then coz we share different views on that issue. But just note that, it's natural that Neymar's display should be "better" or at least "there will be a higher level of expectation" from him than with a wing-forawrd that cost £10m. £200m is enough money to expect a certain kind of performance from Neymar. There's a reason people are more on Hazard's case but not on Willian who's considered a waste. Your reputation will determine the kind of expectation you'll get. 1 Like |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by PietroRico(m): 8:00am On Jan 02, 2018 |
Where is the Paul Pogba we saw at Juventus? He was all over the pitch, he was battling, he was tackling, he was sprinting to people, he was scoring goals from 25 yards out. "He is just strolling through games." Scholes added: . "Pogba doesn't look fit. I wonder whether he is training properly. "He does not look like a player who will win you games and that is what you pay £90m for. "No-one in England should be getting near him, but he is being asked to do a role he is not comfortable in. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by PietroRico(m): 8:05am On Jan 02, 2018 |
PietroRico:he waited for the end of a 3 games in quick succession period to say this. A period where accumulated fatigue is the order of the day. He even questioned his training. Anyone that doesn't know how Pogba trains should take time to find out. Then he went on to add that lazy 90m line again. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by PietroRico(m): 8:07am On Jan 02, 2018 |
A period where everyone was leggy and trying to get by, especially at the end of games. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by PietroRico(m): 8:09am On Jan 02, 2018 |
sinizia:I'd rather not have this argument |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by PietroRico(m): 8:10am On Jan 02, 2018 |
patrickmuf:so you think it would have remained like this if we had stuck with the set up against soton? |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nihilist: 8:11am On Jan 02, 2018 |
Essentially Jose is just saying that Gerrard > Scholes. Damn, i love the smell of disparaged manyoo legends in the morning. 1 Like |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by PietroRico(m): 8:13am On Jan 02, 2018 |
If you filter all the personal jibes away from the message, what Jose was essentially saying was you cannot go into hiding when things are alright only to show up at the first sniff of problems and expect to be taken seriously 1 Like |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by PietroRico(m): 8:15am On Jan 02, 2018 |
sinizia:the classic approach has won him a 25 trophies. What is a klopp? |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by PietroRico(m): 8:18am On Jan 02, 2018 |
Make the haters dey many. ![]() That's not not bad thing |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by sinizia: 8:18am On Jan 02, 2018 |
PietroRico: Scholes said that after a run of 3 uninspiring draws and Pogba didn't necessarily cover himself in glory or stand out particularly in those matches, so Scholes was right. Scholes added: With the way Pogba and Matic had "snail-like" performance against Southampton, Scholes was doubting his fitness because he wasn't covering much ground which a player that's fit like Pogba should try and do. Mentioning the £90m may be going too far considering how Pogba has improved earlier this season but Scholes still said this below. "No-one in England should be getting near him, but he is being asked to do a role he is not comfortable in. That was Scholes reaffirming Pogba's quality and talent and expecting him to do more. He also blames Mourinho for playing him in a position that doesn't allow him showcase his talent optimally. What we saw the next match (yesterday) was Mourinho moving Pogba forward and changing his tactic. We also saw Pogba putting in the shift that Scholes was talking about. So you see, that criticism can be said in playing a part in our changed game yesterday. 4 Likes |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nihilist: 8:18am On Jan 02, 2018 |
Lets not forget that Paul Scholes was one of the A-list pundits along with Micheal Owen when they first signed for BT sports... Then Gerrard retired from football...and joined BT sport And Scholes was gradually phased out to the B list to share screentime wirh another crappy mancunian product - richard own goal dunne. Gerrard > Scholes as a player or pundit Thank you Jose for reminding us all of this unquestionable truth. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by sinizia: 8:21am On Jan 02, 2018 |
PietroRico: That classic approach have gotten him falling out with everyone at his past two clubs and getting removed. It may have been tolerated when he's still heralded as the best thing after Ferguson, right now it's no longer working. 1 Like |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by nezzar: 8:21am On Jan 02, 2018 |
Agent P to get Dybala for us ![]() |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by sinizia: 8:23am On Jan 02, 2018 |
Nihilist: 3 Likes 1 Share
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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by PietroRico(m): 8:24am On Jan 02, 2018 |
sinizia:saying Pogba didn't cover ground is probably not true. Anyone can go bring the heat map of that game. The entire team was lethargic, so it wasn't a Pogba issue issue. If we continue to drag this we will keep veering further and further away from the argument because new areas of disagreement will keep popping up. It is at this point I'll drop my pen. Happy new year |
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