yanabasee:

If I should ask you, what give life to a cell? Why can't scientist create a cell that can give life to their robots?

god of the gaps

butterflyl1on:


Please don't pollute this thread with deep ignorance. Your comment above shows how limited your reasoning is and how you find extremely impossible to reason outside the box.

Lack of belief is not religion because religion is not based on belief ALONE.

atheism is a religion because it is not based on a lack of belief alone.

I hope you can link the two if you really try.

is chicken a fruit?

hakeem4:
is chicken a fruit?

Are fruits found in the belly of a chicken?

What i wrote above better explains what you cannot fathom.

Look at my question critically (and this time attempt doing so from several angles) then stop being ignorant.

vaxx:


waiting for objective evidence of GOD will steal your future,objective evidence is a subjective process, hence the rely on objective evidence to substantiate the reality of GOD is an invalid logic . Instead, try to measure consistency and experience. Consistent reality is experienced.

you're just Gish galloping while muddying things up which makes your post self refuting but you won't see it

hopefulLandlord:


you're just Gish galloping while muddying things up which makes your post self refuting but you won't see it

can you show me if i can not see it...

vaxx:
can you show me if i couldn't see it...

"Objective evidence is a subjective process" seriously


"Measure consistency and experience" how's that not subjective?

"Consistent reality is experienced" well......

butterflyl1on:


The olodo rabata is actually you (as always).

If you check definition 4 and 5 on what religion is you will see how atheism is a religion.

Number 4 says "any practice that someone or some group is seriously devoted to.

Are you devoted to atheism and the practices they come with like

1. No harm in premarital sex
2. Deception is cool if you can get away with it.
3. Life is nothing but to live and die since there is no after life
And so on. Are atheists devoted to these things, YES
So atheism is a religion.

Number 5 makes it even simpler for it says faithfulness to a given principle. Number 4 is the modern version of number 5 so both are talking about devotion to a cause, a practice, a principle.

Atheism is a religion.

You see when you read dictionary meanings don't just stop there. Dissect them so you can be better informed and not deformed as you currently seem to be.

Check the definitions of principle and practice I attached to buttress my above pointers. Look carefully at the number 1 definitions from each screengrab.

Absolutely brilliant Butterflyl1on. You understand the deeper truths of what the OP is revealing to the world.

Many thanks to JacksonD7 !!

hopefulLandlord:


"Objective evidence is a subjective process" seriously


"Measure consistency and experience" how's that not subjective?

"Consistent reality is experienced" well......

This why I opened my thread on human stupidity.

butterflyl1on:


Please don't pollute this thread with deep ignorance. Your comment above shows how limited your reasoning is and how you find extremely impossible to reason outside the box.

Lack of belief is not religion because religion is not based on belief ALONE.

atheism is a religion because it is not based on a lack of belief alone.

I hope you can link the two if you really try.

Yes I agree. Atheism is a religion. It a very different religion from all other religions.

IT IS A RELIGION OF HATE AND DESTRUCTION !!

Martinez19:
This why I opened my thread on human stupidity.

AAhhhhhh. You have finally opened a thread about yourself.

hakeem4:
is chicken a fruit?

Yes it is !! If a human can be a fish or a monkey, why cant a fish be a fruit. You ask great questions Sir.

butterflyl1on:


Are fruits found in the belly of a chicken?

What i wrote above better explains what you cannot fathom.

Look at my question critically (and this time attempt doing so from several angles) then stop being ignorant.

but theism isn’t a religion

ScienceWatch:
Yes it is !!

you behave like someone with tetanus in the brain

hopefulLandlord:


"Objective evidence is a subjective process" seriously


"Measure consistency and experience" how's that not subjective?

"Consistent reality is experienced" well......

Do you even understand my post,indirectly i am arguing for subjective evidence, telling seun that objective evidence is a subjective process....objectivity is something that subject make up.... subjectivity evidence can only be achieved from personal experience or is there any other way to have an experience? and Is there any such thing as objective experience?

As far as I can tell, there is only subjectivity. Objectivity evidence is a hypothetical state of knowledge that is impossible to verify.

Don’t mistakenly defend objective evidence for a fact. Facts are definitions. They are an apparent agreement between lots of people. But they are, in the end, tautologies.



what do you mean by well here '' measuring consistency and experience''

butterflyl1on:


The olodo rabata is actually you (as always).

If you check definition 4 and 5 on what religion is you will see how atheism is a religion.

Number 4 says "any practice that someone or some group is seriously devoted to.

Are you devoted to atheism and the practices they come with like

1. No harm in premarital sex
2. Deception is cool if you can get away with it.
3. Life is nothing but to live and die since there is no after life
And so on. Are atheists devoted to these things,

Oh really?!

(By the way, I noticed how rational you were when being accused (and bullied) in another thread. Pity it was temporary).

hakeem4:
you behave like someone with tetanus in the brain

I answered your question. Yes a chicken is a fruit. While you believe that you were once a fish then a monkey then an Atheist. What is in your brain Sir ?

hakeem4:
but theism isn’t a religion

Sigh! He still doesn't get it. Smh

vaxx:


As far as I can tell, there is only subjectivity. Objectivity evidence is a hypothetical state of knowledge that is impossible to verify.

There is objectivity

Don’t mistakenly defend objective evidence for a fact. Facts are definitions. They are an apparent agreement between lots of people. But they are, in the end, tautologies.

NO! apparent agreement does not make something a fact, apparent disagreement doesn't make something less of a fact

what do you mean by well here '' measuring consistency and experience''

just saying its kind of meaningless without further explanation(s)

You need to read Se.uns post again and digest the message you're replying to

budaatum:

Oh really?!

(By the way, I noticed how rational you were when being accused (and bullied) in another thread. Pity it was temporary).

I am always rational. Pity your appraisal is always short lived.

Martinez19:
This why I opened my thread on human stupidity.

human stupidity.....whao that is good , send me the link....if you think you are rational for not believing in GOD .... you are deceiving yourself.....TO me all religion are valid , though i may disagree with some of their doctrine but so long it spread peace and love....it is valid...

A non believer of GOD to me is worst than an ingrate

vaxx:

As far as I can tell, there is only subjectivity. Objectivity evidence is a hypothetical state of knowledge that is impossible to verify.

You remind me of the tree that fell in the forest. The tree and the forest are objects that exist. The argument is whether it really fell if there were no subject to observe it.

You seriously need to learn more about objectivity and subjectivity. You might understand how your subjectivity is devoid of objectivity.

vaxx:


A non believer of GOD to me is worst than an ingrate

Thanks for your subjective opinion.

vaxx:
human stupidity.....whao that is good , send me the link....if you think you are rational for not believing in GOD .... you are deceiving yourself.....TO me all religion are valid , though i may disagree with some of their doctrine but so long it spread peace and love....it is valid...

A non believer of GOD to me is worst than an ingrate

Is it possible to be loving and peaceful without belief in a god?

Martinez19:
This why I opened my thread on human stupidity.

You must be Einsteins protege right?

Lofty dreams you have there oh ye classic example of human stupidity.

vaxx:
human stupidity.....whao that is good , send me the link....if you think you are rational for not believing in GOD .... you are deceiving yourself.....TO me all religion are valid , though i may disagree with some of their doctrine but so long it spread peace and love....it is valid...

A non believer of GOD to me is worst than an ingrate

I agree. To me all religions are valid, except the religion of destructive Atheism.

budaatum:

You remind me of the tree that fell in the forest. The tree and the forest are objects that exist. The argument is whether it really fell if there were no subject to observe it.

You seriously need to learn more about objectivity and subjectivity. You might understand how your subjectivity is devoid of objectivity.

The presence or lack thereof of an observer does not alter the fact that a tree fell in the forest. You may not have witnessed or heard the falling of the tree but the evidence of trees lying all over the floor of the forest is proof of an experience you never witnessed.

hopefulLandlord:

There is objectivity

NO! apparent agreement does not make something a fact, apparent disagreement doesn't make something less of a fact

just saying its kind of meaningless without further explanation(s)

You need to read Se.uns post again and digest the message you're replying to

what are you really driving toward here.... s.e.u.n argument has been refuted already ..... do you mean there is objectivity? then you would have to have some point of view that is outside of the subject (yes, subject) you are trying to perceive. ....Unfortunately for objectivity, i and you are all inside the universe. so we both can not know if we perceive things the same way anyone else does or can you?

hopefulLandlord:


Is it possible to be loving and peaceful without belief in a god?

Only if you are a good pretender. But remember that the best pretense dont last more than three months.

butterflyl1on:


The presence or lack thereof of an observer does not alter the fact that a tree fell in the forest. You may not have witnessed or heard the falling of the tree but the evidence of trees lying all over the floor of the forest is proof of an experience you never witnessed.

I refuse to believe that a tree fell in a forest, if I cant see it falling myself. There must be another reason why it is lying on the ground when I finally got there. No Sir Seeing is believing, hearing is no evidence.

ScienceWatch:
Only if you are a good pretender. But remember that the best pretense dont last more than three months.

I wasn't talking to you sir

butterflyl1on:


The presence or lack thereof of an observer does not alter the fact that a tree fell in the forest. You may not have witnessed or heard the falling of the tree but the evidence of trees lying all over the floor of the forest is proof of an experience you never witnessed.

Objectively, and regardless of a subject, the tree fell, seems to be what you are saying. Confirm please.

ScienceWatch:
I refuse to believe that a tree fell in a forest, if I cant see it falling myself. There must be another reason why it is lying on the ground when I finally got there. No Sir Seeing is believing, hearing is no evidence.

Bloody Tree-falling-atheist.

Please read the following again:

butterflyl1on:


The presence or lack thereof of an observer does not alter the fact that a tree fell in the forest. You may not have witnessed or heard the falling of the tree but the evidence of trees lying all over the floor of the forest is proof of an experience you never witnessed.