frank317:


Stop embarassing yourself. I dissected your reply and responded to it bit by bit and made nonsese of ur response. There couldnt have been a clearer response and u know it.
Cover urself in shame and get out of here like a scared puppy

Jeez... for you to claim you refuted my assertion is a sign of delusion in itself...take a deep breath...read my assertion again and read your reply as well...how is there any correlation between them? Well... as I said earlier, I don't have enough time to waste on one who not only lack simple comprehension skill but is also blind to see his lapses...Shalom

hopefulLandlord:


Faith like religion? wtf?

lol, i hereby change your moniker to landlord not hopeful anymore.....

i agree the position of relating atheism to religion is not very sound but there are similarities that made so many people get confused'.....

but i will like you to go through this link.......http://omnilogos.com/atheism-judicial-perspectives-on-united-states-constitutional-meaning-of-religion/

http://www.ryananddebi.com/secularismjournal/index.php/snr/issue/view/1

vaxx:
do not be too personal on this issue...may be i am not getting it right...the forum is meant to share knowledge.... so see yourself as one who is part of the global knowledge center...

you personally do not believe GOD EXIST AND I THINK most if not all ATHEIST like you do not believe GOD EXIST....IS THIS GENERAL AGREEMENT among atheist WORLDWIDE not base on faith position ....

faith is a believe system about a particular phenomenon rather than proof(free dictionary)so atheism is not a claim of knowledge but faith

so tell me if most atheist do not share the same believe system? or is the agreement of atheism that GOD do not exist objectively verified ?

your reply may convinced me...

atheism rejects the claim of theism that a god that exists.

all atheists do not have the same view about their lack of belief.
few atheists believe there are aliens, some spirit etc.

some atheists only belief in the things they have evidence for and can verify so lack belief that aliens or spirits exists

some atheists belong to a religion (i.e. atheistic religions)

some don't.

so the only thing linking all atheists together is their lack of belief in god
likewise the only thing linking all theists wether Christians, Ifa, Muslim, or voodoo is their belief in god/gods but the nature or system of worship of the said god/gods is different understand?

note:I'm not interested in convincing you of anything you are totally free to reject my explanation.

Humanistme:


atheism reject the claim of theism that a god that exist.

all atheists do not have the same view about their lack of belief.
few atheists believe there are aliens, some spirit etc.

some atheists only belief in the things they have evidence for and can verify so lack belief that aliens or spirits exists

some atheists belong to a religion (i.e. atheistic religions)

some don't.

so the only thing linking all atheists together is their lack of belief in god
likewise the only thing linking all theists wether Christians, Ifa, Muslim, or voodoo is their belief in god/gods but the nature or system of worship of the said god/gods is different understand?

note:I'm not interested in convincing you of anything you are totally free to reject my explanation.

go through your own post very well, you will realize you just agree with me....

your personal quote '' so the only thing linking all atheist together is the lack of belief in god'' this is what i am saying , what binds atheist together is base on faith and not on knowledge....... which make it share the same strong similarities with religion....

Any phenomenon you agree too without a proof is faith .....

vaxx:
go thorough very well, you will realise you just agree with me....

your personal quote '' so the only thing linking all atheist together is the lack of belief in god'' this is what i am saying , what binds atheist together is base on faith and not on knowledge....... which make it share the same strong similarities with religion

religion

1. a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.
2. a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects:
the Christian religion; the Buddhist religion.
3. the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices:
a world council of religions.
4. the life or state of a monk, nun, etc.:
to enter religion.
5. the practice of beliefs; ritual observance of faith.
6. something one believes in and follows devotedly; a point or matter of ethics or conscience:
to make a religion of fighting prejudice.
7. religions, Archaic. religious rites:
painted priests performing religions deep into the night.
8. Archaic . strict faithfulness; devotion:
a religion to one's vow.
Idiom
1150–1200; Middle English religioun (<
Old French religion ) < Latin religiōn- (stem of religiō) conscientiousness, piety, equivalent to relig(āre ) to tie, fasten (re- + ligāre to bind, tie; cf.
) + -iōn- ; cf.
adjective : religionless
adjective : antireligion
noun: nonreligion
noun: subreligion
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see antonyms for
see translations for
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above is the different definitions of religion.

lemme ask haven't you heard a theist say things like I'm not religious but I believe that a god exists?

what do you think they mean when they say that.

vaxx:
go through your own post very well, you will realize you just agree with me....


Any phenomenon you agree too without a proof is faith .....

so I lack belief in the existence of ogbanje spirit because there is no convincing evidence to support it does that mean I have faith that ogbanje spirit does not exist wft

Humanistme:


so I lack belief in the existence of ogbanje spirit because there is no convincing evidence to support it does that mean I have faith that ogbanje spirit does not exist wft

what you doing now is called tautology

vaxx:
what you doing now is called tautology

ok apply this your logic to someone who says he lacks belief in the existence of deities because there is no convincing evidence.

Humanistme:


religion

1. a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.
2. a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects:
the Christian religion; the Buddhist religion.
3. the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices:
a world council of religions.
4. the life or state of a monk, nun, etc.:
to enter religion.
5. the practice of beliefs; ritual observance of faith.
6. something one believes in and follows devotedly; a point or matter of ethics or conscience:
to make a religion of fighting prejudice.
7. religions, Archaic. religious rites:
painted priests performing religions deep into the night.
8. Archaic . strict faithfulness; devotion:
a religion to one's vow.
Idiom
1150–1200; Middle English religioun (<
Old French religion ) < Latin religiōn- (stem of religiō) conscientiousness, piety, equivalent to relig(āre ) to tie, fasten (re- + ligāre to bind, tie; cf.
) + -iōn- ; cf.
adjective : religionless
adjective : antireligion
noun: nonreligion
noun: subreligion
see synonyms for
see antonyms for
see translations for
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© 2017 Dictionary.com, LLC. religion


above is the different definitions of religion.

lemme ask haven't you heard a theist say things like I'm not religious but I believe that a god exists?

what do you think they mean when they say that.

you do not even get my argument, i agree atheism is not a religion but it is a faith base system like a religion.

understand my post very very pls.........

Humanistme:


ok apply this your logic to someone who says he lacks belief in the existence of deities because there is no convincing evidence.

if you say there is no convincing evidence, do you also have convincing evidence to reject it.... do you now see it goes into each other

vaxx:
if you say there is no convincing evidence, do you also have convincing evidence to reject it.... do you now see it goes into each other

this your comment, this particular one doesn't make sense I'm sorry to say.

lemme just do this for the last time

a guy tries to sell me Gucci but I refused to buy because I'm not convinced even though the products has Gucci logo but it looks sort of inferior. so it is the duty of the seller to convince me his products are original do you understand this analogy better ?

vaxx:
you do not even get my argument, i agree atheism is not a religion but it is a faith base system like a religion.

understand my post very very pls.........

atheism is not faith based thank you.

Humanistme:


this your comment, this particular one doesn't make sense I'm sorry to say.

lemme just do this for the last time

a guy tries to sell me Gucci but I refused to buy because I'm not convinced even though the products has Gucci logo but it looks sort of inferior. so it is the duty of the seller to convince me his products are original do you understand this analogy better ?

hoops, you already conclude.... your analogy is flawed....you read it again and find out the loop holes... bye

vaxx:
hoops, you already conclude.... your analogy is flawed....you read it again and find out the loop holes... bye

ok

vaxx:
if you say there is no convincing evidence, do you also have convincing evidence to reject it.... do you now see it goes into each other

so if you tell me that you have faith that God is real and therefore you believe he is real and I say I dont believe he is real and therefore lack faith in the existence of God... where exactly did my faith come in?

frank317:


so if you tell me that you have faith that God is real and therefore you believe he is real and I say I dont believe he is real and therefore lack faith in the existence of God... where exactly did my faith come in?

let me paraphrase your statement. maybe you will get it. i dont believe he is real and therefore have faith in the non existence of GOD...... you should see where your faith come in now....

faith base position.... accept or agree that something is true without proof... tell me how atheism does not fall into this category ? pls a sincere answer

vaxx:
let me paraphrase your statement. maybe you will get it. i dont believe he is real and therefore have faith in the non existence of GOD...... you should see where your faith come in now....

faith base position.... accept or agree that something is true without proof... tell me how atheism does not fall into this category ? pls a sincere answer

You're just playing meaningless wordgames lol

"faith in the nonexistence" hahahahahahaha

hopefulLandlord:


You're just playing meaningless wordgames lol

"faith in the nonexistence" hahahahahahaha

HAAAAAAAAA, so frack is right abi? pls do not be bias

vaxx:
let me paraphrase your statement. maybe you will get it. i dont believe he is real and therefore have faith in the non existence of GOD...... you should see where your faith come in now....

faith base position.... accept or agree that something is true without proof... tell me how atheism does not fall into this category ? pls a sincere answer

recall my rejection is as a result of lack of evidence, but the believer is not interested in evidence thats why he has faith in the first place.

if he had believed because he has evidence will u still say he has faith?

frank317:


recall my rejection is as a result of lack of evidence, but the believer is not interested in evidence thats why he has faith in the first place.

if he had believed because he has evidence will u still say he has faith?

then is no more faith again....it will be term knowledge.....


so the distinct similarities between religion and atheist is lack of objectively verified knowledge of the evidence of GOD.... EITHER he exist or not

vaxx:
then is no more faith again....it will be term knowledge.....


so the distinct similarities between religion and atheist is lack of objectively verified knowledge of the evidence GOD.... EITHER he exist or not

so why should any atheist bother about looking for prove of non existence of something that the believer has no prove for?

if i tell u i have faith that a green dog that grants me success in all my dealings exists and i tell u that i want u to also believe in this green dog, do u need to have faith to reject that a green dog exists if after asking me for evidence i tell u that i have non? do u even need to bother looking for a prove of non existence of a green dog when i have already told u i dont have a prove for its existence?
pls answer me sincerely

vaxx:
then is no more faith again....it will be term knowledge.....


so the distinct similarities between religion and atheist is lack of objectively verified knowledge of the evidence of GOD.... EITHER he exist or not

are you comparing theism and atheism or religion and atheism?

Humanistme:


this your comment, this particular one doesn't make sense I'm sorry to say.

lemme just do this for the last time

a guy tries to sell me Gucci but I refused to buy because I'm not convinced even though the products has Gucci logo but it looks sort of inferior. so it is the duty of the seller to convince me his products are original do you understand this analogy better ?

I only reply to this analogy just to proof it to you that is faulty....pls do not use it anywhere again



NO good sales marketer will apply the law of logic to sell a product,no good marketer will convince you by listing facts and sighting studies about the product. They know they're not selling anything until they engage the prospects emotions. that is why women outperform men in selling

There is a saying in sales:"People buy with their emotions and defend those buying decisions with logic." ask she.un how he market nairaland? does he use logic or emotions....

let me give you my own analogy.... many people buy a stuff they can't afford simply to satisfy their ego and only then begin to justify that purchase logically by telling them self things like the stuffs was a great deal or the best ever. or has a good resell value...

these were not the reason they bought the stuff in the first place. These excuses are just posterior to the purchase. They came after, and only because of the purchase.

Nobody buys a GUCCI SHOE because of it's "resell value." IT IS YOU THAT WILL CONVINCE YOURSELF FOR BUYING THE GUCCI SHOE

Proudgorgeousga:


are you comparing theism and atheism or religion and atheism?

NO, i agree with the proposition that atheism is not a religion (debatable anyway) but for the sake of argument i accept...
i am only pointing out the similarities of both of them.... i say both of them are faith base position

frank317:


so why should any atheist bother about looking for prove of non existence of something that the believer has no prove for?

if i tell u i have faith that a green dog that grants me success in all my dealings exists and i tell u that i want u to also believe in this green dog, do u need to have faith to reject that a green dog exists if after asking me for evidence i tell u that i have non? do u even need to bother looking for a prove of non existence of a green dog when i have already told u i dont have a prove for its existence?
pls answer me sincerely

Faith should be checked and experienced ,if you are in right path it should open up a new dimension of possibility, if it leads to dead end then you are in wrong path.that is why the believer always repeat that the best way to know the truth about GOD existence is through oneself.........

i then need to experience this green dog

vaxx:
NO, i agree with the proposition that atheism is not a religion (debatable anyway) but for the sake of argument i accept...
i am only pointing out the similarities of both of them.... i say both of them are faith base position

what you should be comparing is theism/atheism tho not religion and atheism. religion is not the opposite of atheism.

Proudgorgeousga:


what you should be comparing is theism/atheism tho not religion and atheism. religion is not the opposite of atheism.

i never said so either....i only point out what they have in common

vaxx:
Faith should be checked and experienced ,if you are in right path it should open up a new dimension of possibility, if it leads to dead end then you are in wrong path.that is why the believer always repeat that the best way to know the truth about GOD existence is through oneself.........

i then need to experience this green dog

In order words faith cannot be wrong. Its either u are on the wrong path or u discover something. That means the muslim faith in allah is right and the christian faith in yahweh and his son Jesus is right and the igbo traditionalist faith in amadioha is right. All one needs experience or test what these various faith is all about and if he finds something a new doscovery is made but if he finds nothing he is on the wrong path for all of them.

I, my friend, will not be part of such theory.

For me, it is only faith because it is not right. Any knowledge based on faith is wrong.

ScienceWatch:
At this time no one wants to make me coffee. So meanwhile I am banking on you to help me with answers Sir.
There is good reason why the world wants to know what Atheism has to offer.

I received this email below a few days ago. These Atheist girls begged me, “Do you want to spend Valentine’s day in a company of beautiful student-girls? We need a wealthy Atheist lover and we do like filthy sex, group sex and anal sex. We will swallow your sperm for extra fee.”
From what I have seen, Religion saves young girls from this disaster.

What does your NO-god offer these girls?

Good question. In the world of atheism anything goes.

Why would I want to live in their world?

frank317:


In order words faith cannot be wrong. Its either u are on the wrong path or u discover something. That means the muslim faith in allah is right and the christian faith in yahweh and his son Jesus is right and the igbo traditionalist faith in amadioha is right. All one needs experience or test what these various faith is all about and if he finds something a new doscovery is made but if he finds nothing he is on the wrong path for all of them.

I, my friend, will not be part of such theory.

For me, it is only faith because it is not right. Any knowledge based on faith is wrong.

your proposition is wrong.... knowledge is not base on faith... faith is rather base on experience while knowledge is base on objectively verifiable evidence.

i said it more than two times here that every religion is valid so long it promote peace and love......

let me ask you a jovial question.... how can you convince me you love your mom?

vickzdvipe:
I still can't understand how a lack of belief metamorphosis into a type of belief.
In conclusion, atheism is not and cannot be regarded as a type of religion.

Kindly read or reread the article. A lack of belief, is actually a belief shared by all atheists.

vaxx:
your proposition is wrong.... knowledge is not base on faith... faith is rather base on experience while knowledge is base on objectively verifiable evidence.

Faith is based on assumptiom... perhaps u should define what u mean by faith in this context.
If someone says...we dont know how the world came about, so therefore God did it. What kind of experience is this?

i said it more than two times here that every religion is valid so long it promote peace and love......

This is a wrong assumption... very wrong indeed. At least christians who preach peach dont believe this... why are u right and they are wrong.

let me ask you a jovial question.... how can you convince me you love your mom?

By my actions towards her. The way i behave around her. U will see it and u will know it.