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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mickael2(m): 10:01am On Feb 10, 2018
mank1234:


So if you were a referee, you'll be giving only yellow for career threatening tackle because you're applying the rule. That was an attack on the person with malicious intent not for ball winning. There were several calls in March that the referee refused to make call. Watch it again to clear your doubt.

did you say one viral foul like that on Sane? That is a career-threatning, life ban worthy foul. The guy's studs were clearly showing and the second foot was off the ground, red card everyday of the week. Matuidi's case was a case of a body check with a stamp on the ankle.

Ok let me give you a simple assignment. Stand erect with you foot firmly on the ground, then let someone stamp you on the ankle, your leg wouldn't even come close to twisting. But if you are about to move your leg and someone stamps on it, you will twist your leg and get injured.

Now had it been that Onazi's leg was on the ground firmly this wouldn't even be a niggle, and nobody would even say yellow card, but within the split second that Onazi raised his foot off the ground, the whole scenario has changed. As a ref, you cannot say that MATUIDI deserves a red card because ONAZI moved his leg at the last minute. These are things that happen in split seconds which opposing players cannot help at all
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by mank1234(m): 10:02am On Feb 10, 2018
If you see nothing wrong in the referees judgment, I can only conclude by saying may all your situations in life be judged in like manner. If you said the ref was fair to Onazi, it will be fair for you too. No personal attack intended.

Mickael2:



so if you are a ref you will be using sentiments? Oga, there is nothing like 'I know murder when I see one', you are the ref, you are meant to enforce the rules not make the rules, I am strongly going to believe that you have never been to any referee refresher course, infact, here in Nigeria, coaching courses also come with a healthy dose of referee tutorials and you probably didn't attend either. This is what the referee asks; has this player done anything contrary to the rules? The ref does not say 'in my mind I think this guy deserves a red card, why? Because I THINK so'. I already showed you the rules and yet you now want to argue with the rulebook.


Oh, if you are still looking for the ball, watch the extended highlight and you will see it, if you still don't understand then check what a 'follow-up' means
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 10:03am On Feb 10, 2018
Mickael2:



so if you are a ref you will be using sentiments? Oga, there is nothing like 'I know murder when I see one', you are the ref, you are meant to enforce the rules not make the rules, I am strongly going to believe that you have never been to any referee refresher course, infact, here in Nigeria, coaching courses also come with a healthy dose of referee tutorials and you probably didn't attend either. This is what the referee asks; has this player done anything contrary to the rules? The ref does not say 'in my mind I think this guy deserves a red card, why? Because I THINK so'. I already showed you the rules and yet you now want to argue with the rulebook.


Oh, if you are still looking for the ball, watch the extended highlight and you will see it, if you still don't understand then check what a 'follow-up' means

A middle finger to sentiments and rule book. We are talking of a team that already had a clear case of injuring a player on their head. A dirty player who made repeated wild lunges on our players. I think Onazi was at the end of one, left the pitch and came back, Ambrose took one.

Yet you are talking rule book in a case of a clear attempt to destroy a player.

Kompany got a red card for a wild tackle, even though he did not contact the player and also won the ball.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 10:05am On Feb 10, 2018
mank1234:
If you see nothing wrong in the referees judgment, I can only conclude by saying may all your situations in life be judged in like manner. If you said the ref was fair to Onazi, it will be fair for you too. No personal attack intended.


No need for that. He is just bias to the team. Even hates seeing the team win.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 10:07am On Feb 10, 2018
Mickael2:


did you say one viral foul like that on Sane? That is a career-threatning, life ban worthy foul. The guy's studs were clearly showing and the second foot was off the ground, red card everyday of the week. Matuidi's case was a case of a body check with a stamp on the ankle.

Ok let me give you a simple assignment. Stand erect with you foot firmly on the ground, then let someone stamp you on the ankle, your leg wouldn't even come close to twisting. But if you are about to move your leg and someone stamps on it, you will twist your leg and get injured.

Now had it been that Onazi's leg was on the ground firmly this wouldn't even be a niggle, and nobody would even say yellow card, but within the split second that Onazi raised his foot off the ground, the whole scenario has changed. As a ref, you cannot say that MATUIDI deserves a red card because ONAZI moved his leg at the last minute. These are things that happen in split seconds which opposing players cannot help at all

Stop disguising the truth. That was a wild lunge to injure a player.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by mank1234(m): 10:07am On Feb 10, 2018
Mickael2:


did you say one viral foul like that on Sane? That is a career-threatning, life ban worthy foul. The guy's studs were clearly showing and the second foot was off the ground, red card everyday of the week. Matuidi's case was a case of a body check with a stamp on the ankle.

Ok let me give you a simple assignment. Stand erect with you foot firmly on the ground, then let someone stamp you on the ankle, your leg wouldn't even come close to twisting. But if you are about to move your leg and someone stamps on it, you will twist your leg and get injured.

Now had it been that Onazi's leg was on the ground firmly this wouldn't even be a niggle, and nobody would even say yellow card, but within the split second that Onazi raised his foot off the ground, the whole scenario has changed. As a ref, you cannot say that MATUIDI deserves a red card because ONAZI moved his leg at the last minute. These are things that happen in split seconds which opposing players cannot help at all


Are you implying that Onazi shouldn't have moved? Besides, the referee should have given him yellow card for at least 1 of 2 earlier bad challenge and this would have been a second yellow if at all you're right. The ref protected them. France are usually protected as a physical side but not African teams.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by elyte89: 10:07am On Feb 10, 2018
C analysis abt matuidi tackle on onazi like say na yday night we play d match grin grin,na 4years ago na

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mickael2(m): 10:08am On Feb 10, 2018
TheGoodJoe:


A middle finger to sentiments and rule book. We are talking of a team that already had a clear case of injuring a player on their head. A dirty player who made repeated wild lunges on our player. I think Onazi was at the end of one, left the pitch and came back, Ambrose took one.

Yet you are talking rule book in a case of a clear attempt to destroy a player.

Kompany got a red card for a wild tackle, even though he did not contact the player and also won the ball.


funny you should mention Kompany's case. Do you remember the level of uproar that followed that event? Especially since Glen Johnson did something similar the very next match day and walked away clean? So here is the thing, just because the ref in that Manchester derby made a mistake does not make it the norm

FINITO
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mickael2(m): 10:09am On Feb 10, 2018
mank1234:



Are you implying that Onazi shouldn't have moved? Besides, the referee should have given him yellow card for at least 1 of 2 earlier bad challenge and this would have been a second yellow if at all you're right. The ref protected them. France are usually protected as a physical side but not African teams.


now you are seeing the light.

I am not arguing that the ref shouldn't have given him....even a red card before that. My discussion here is based solely on this Matuidi-Onazi incident and it wasn't a red card, definetly a yellow but not a red. That is all
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mickael2(m): 10:10am On Feb 10, 2018
TheGoodJoe:


No need for that. He is just a bias to the team. Even hates seeing the team win.


lol. So after losing out this is what you came up with? Pitiful really
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by mank1234(m): 10:12am On Feb 10, 2018
Mickael2:



now you are seeing the light.

I am not arguing that the ref shouldn't have given him....even a red card before that. My discussion here is based solely on this Matuidi-Onazi incident and it wasn't a red card, definetly a yellow but not a red. That is all

It was a red for me. Give me a link to the complete ref rules and I'll show you another rule that would have been used to send him out. You're only using one rule and in retrospect after the event had already occurred to buttress your point.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 10:16am On Feb 10, 2018
Mickael2:



funny you should mention Kompany's case. Do you remember the level of uproar that followed that event? Especially since Glen Johnson did something similar the very next match day and walked away clean? So here is the thing, just because the ref in that Manchester derby made a mistake does not make it the norm

FINITO

What you are writing here shows no coherency. I am a City fan and I was bitter with Kompany's sending off. He won the ball, there was no contact. However, the fact is that if Nani did not jump and Kompany contacted Nani, it would have caused a career threatening injury. So I agree with the ref.

In that same train of thought, when you consider a clear attempt to injure a player like Dele Alli on Kevin De Bruyne, Puncheon on Kevin De Bruyne, Bennett on Sane and Matuidi on Onazi, it is crazy that it is not a red. Not sentiments or rule book. These were clear intentions to injure players. A red card any day.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 10:18am On Feb 10, 2018
Mickael2:



lol. So after losing out this is what you came up with? Pitiful really

Losing what? What is there to win or lose?
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 10:20am On Feb 10, 2018
Mickael2:



now you are seeing the light.

I am not arguing that the ref shouldn't have given him....even a red card before that. My discussion here is based solely on this Matuidi-Onazi incident and it wasn't a red card, definetly a yellow but not a red. That is all

It was a clear attempt to injure a player. A red any day.

Finito.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 10:30am On Feb 10, 2018
It was French central midfielder Blaise Matuidi assaulting Onazi and getting away with it.

Prior to being taken out of the game by Matuidi's horrendous "challenge," Onazi bossed midfield.


Bleacherreport described it as an assault and horrendous. Yet someone is talking rule book and winning. Maybe Bleacherreport do not know there is a rule book.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mickael2(m): 10:31am On Feb 10, 2018
mank1234:


It was a red for me. Give me a link to the complete ref rules and I'll show you another rule that would have been used to send him out. You're only using one rule and in retrospect after the event had already occurred to buttress your point.


its on the fifa site, I already got banned for posting a link last week. You may probably argue that one of the rules states that if a player lunges in with the intent of injuring a player then it's a red. But I already pointed out to you that if Onazi's body position was slightly different then it wouldn't have been an injury and that negates that rule
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 10:33am On Feb 10, 2018
"I am not happy with the officiating," Keshi said, per Stuart James at The Guardian. "On two occasions, he [Onazi] had a very bad tackle and nothing was done by the referee."

Matuidi made two attempts to injure Onazi and succeeded on his second attempt. Yet, someone is talking rule book and winning. Baffles me. Maybe Stephen Keshi did not know there is a rule book.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 10:39am On Feb 10, 2018
Mikel said of the incident with Giroud: “I got an elbow and the referee saw it and he only gave him a warning, not even a yellow card, nothing. It was bad. We know the game – if you see it, act on it. The ref saw it. He did catch me. I don’t know if it was too hard but the intention was definitely there. I don’t think he is a dirty player. Everyone wants to win for his country. He hasn’t done those sort of things before so maybe it was just one of those things in the heat of the moment.”


The bolded highlights the point I am making. It is the intention that warrants the card. The rule book is for cases like a player making a tackle and contacting a player. However, when the intention is clear, there has to be a straight red. There is no room for violence in the game.

That was a repeated violent act on Onazi and someone is trying to use the rule book to justify murder on tape. A player who also made a wild lunge on Ambrose.

Give me a break.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by BascoVanVeli(m): 10:41am On Feb 10, 2018
Mickael2:



now you are seeing the light.

I am not arguing that the ref shouldn't have given him....even a red card before that. My discussion here is based solely on this Matuidi-Onazi incident and it wasn't a red card, definetly a yellow but not a red. That is all

My bros u are looking suspicious o. We all know about your lack of love for Onazi grin grin
Was it a red? yes but I have seen referees miss that same call in certain games. I think u guys are both right tbh no need for the extra gra gra. Save your world class debating prowess for another time.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 10:44am On Feb 10, 2018
“Spanish newspapers had headlines saying Nigeria was robbed; they said the referee cost Nigeria the game,” Henry Makinwa, the ex-Vitoria Setubal striker said.“Emenike’s goal should have stood and why would Matuidi earn a mere yellow card for that crunching challenge on Onazi, who was our best player on the day?“It was a career-ending tackle and that should have earned the player (Matuidi) a straight red card. The officiating was nothing to write home about.”

A clear intention to injure a player with a career-ending tackle and someone wants to justify it with a rule book.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 10:47am On Feb 10, 2018
BascoVanVeli:


My bros u are looking suspicious o. We all know about your lack of love for Onazi grin grin
Was it a red? yes but I have seen referees miss that same call in certain games. I think u guys are both right tbh no need for the extra gra gra. Save your world class debating prowess for another time.

I can accept the referee missed a clear red card. We saw it repeatedly in the attack against City. As Bernardo Silva put it, Slaughter. However, I can not accept a Nigerian trying to justify a clear red card the referee missed. the my friend, is a new low.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by maidaboi(m): 10:50am On Feb 10, 2018
BascoVanVeli:


My bros u are looking suspicious o. We all know about your lack of love for Onazi grin grin
Was it a red? yes but I have seen referees miss that same call in certain games. I think u guys are both right tbh no need for the extra gra gra. Save your world class debating prowess for another time.
chei
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 10:53am On Feb 10, 2018
FOX SoccerFOX Soccer@FOXSoccer#NGA's Onazi is on the stretcher for a second time this match after a shocking tackle from #FRA's Matuidi. Onazi won't continue. #FRAvsNGA


This is a tweet from Fox Soccer. The term, shocking was used and note. That was Matuidi putting Onazi on a stretcher twice in the same game. The intention was clear.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by maidaboi(m): 10:54am On Feb 10, 2018
TheGoodJoe:


I can accept the referee missed a clear red card. We saw it repeatedly in the attack against City. As Bernardo Silva put it, Slaughter. However, I can not accept a Nigerian trying to justify a clear red card the referee missed. the my friend, is a new low.
2014 this is 2018 how will you change what had already pass
haba how will not accept that they rob us?
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Nobody: 10:54am On Feb 10, 2018
TheGoodJoe:
Mikel said of the incident with Giroud: “I got an elbow and the referee saw it and he only gave him a warning, not even a yellow card, nothing. It was bad. We know the game – if you see it, act on it. The ref saw it. He did catch me. I don’t know if it was too hard but the intention was definitely there. I don’t think he is a dirty player. Everyone wants to win for his country. He hasn’t done those sort of things before so maybe it was just one of those things in the heat of the moment.”


The bolded highlights the point I am making. It is the intention that warrants the card. The rule book is for cases like a player making a tackle and contacting a player. However, when the intention is clear, there has to be a straight red. There is no room for violence in the game.

That was a repeated violent act on Onazi and someone is trying to use the rule book to justify murder on tape. A player who also made a wild lunge on Ambrose.

Give me a break.

The pix of the tackle was scary but when I watched the video, it didn’t look as bad. It was a horrible tackle and it hurts because the French capitalised on that to win. I’m sure Matuidi would be celebrated in Paris.

When I reflect, I remember similar incident in 1988. Nigeria vs Algeria in Maroc 88. Nigeria was leading 1-0. Ademola Adeshina was given a red card and there after, Algeria equalised.

Manfred Hoener whispered to Bright Omokaro to use his ruggedness to our advantage, the result...Omokaro went on a tackle against Menad Djamel. Djamel left for treatment, came back with braces all over his leg but it wasn’t enough. Algeria had used all their three substitutes. Djamel couldn’t continue and Bright Omokaro earned himself the nickname 10-10. Even IBB hailed him.

We should forget this Matuidi incident and focus on more positive news about Nigeria football.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by realpoacher(m): 10:54am On Feb 10, 2018
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Oga, I don't know what you are saying.

90% of pundits world-wide who reanalyzed that incident called it a straight Red card.

I am more vexed with Mikel because due to his position as one of leaders of the team and also his experience in the game, he should have made the best out of that incident.

Common, we are not talking about a WAFU competition or an AFCON qualifiers. This was a Works cup 2nd round game for goodness sake's. A game we were having the upper hand in terms of ball possession and chances created and you know with France being one man down we stand a better chance of carrying the day. Is it every day you get to play at the 2nd round of a world cup?

Rohr better teaches his boys about some of these acts o. They can make the difference in critical games. Look at Kaita's case at the 2010 WC and how the Greek player made the best of it.

I was really vexed at that Matuidi vs Onazi incident and I am still pained. We were robbed.



TheGoodJoe:
"I am not happy with the officiating," Keshi said, per Stuart James at The Guardian. "On two occasions, he [Onazi] had a very bad tackle and nothing was done by the referee."

Matuidi made two attempts to injure Onazi and succeeded on his second attempt. Yet, someone is talking rule book and winning. Baffles me. Maybe Stephen Keshi did not know there is a rule book.



mank1234:


It was a red for me. Give me a link to the complete ref rules and I'll show you another rule that would have been used to send him out. You're only using one rule and in retrospect after the event had already occurred to buttress your point.


All of you have strength o! Arguing with a known hater of the SE. He has a track record here na,...

Always negatively against anything Super Eagles. Sometimes I wonder if he a Nigerian

We win... He will be absent, and shows up days after the euphoria have died down to downplay the win

He seeks to see us lose,... Many times he even go as far as prophesying that we will lose

Our players do well in their clubs... No commendation, no applaud, no nothing

Rather he looks out for their flaws and blows it out of proportion.


Is that the person you people are arguing with?.. Let our opponents slaughter our players on the field with knives, him and his cohorts will turn a blind eye, to them, killing our players is even better.

Don't waste your energy on known haters

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by maidaboi(m): 10:58am On Feb 10, 2018
realpoacher:











All of you have strength o! Arguing with a known hater of the SE. He has a track record here na,...

Always negatively against anything Super Eagles. Sometimes I wonder if he a Nigerian

We win... He will be absent, and shows up days after the euphoria have died down to downplay the win

He seeks to see us lose,... Many times he even go as far as prophesying that we will lose

Our players do well in their clubs... No commendation, no applaud, no nothing

Rather he looks out for their flaws and blows it out of proportion.


Is that the person you people are arguing with?.. Let our opponents slaughter our players on the field with knives, him and his cohorts will turn a blind eye, to them, killing our players is even better.

Don't waste your energy on known haters
easy bro
this is not good for this thread
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 10:58am On Feb 10, 2018
gbosaa:


The pix of the tackle was scary but when I watched the video, it didn’t look as bad. It was a horrible tackle and it hurts because the French capitalised on that to win. I’m sure Matuidi would be celebrated in Paris.

When I reflect, I remember similar incident in 1988. Nigeria vs Algeria in Maroc 88. Nigeria was leading 1-0. Ademola Adeshina was given a red card and there after, Algeria equalised.

Manfred Hoener whispered to Bright Omokaro to use his ruggedness to our advantage, the result...Omokaro went on a tackle against Menad Djamel. Djamel left for treatment, came back with braces all over his leg but it wasn’t enough. Algeria had used all their three substitutes. Djamel couldn’t continue and Bright Omokaro earned himself the nickname 10-10. Even IBB hailed him.

We should forget this Matuidi incident and focus on more positive news about Nigeria football.

I can understand the ref not seeing it but I will not accept trying to justify it. It was a clear case to injure Onazi. He succeeded with a horrendous challenge.

Finito.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 11:03am On Feb 10, 2018
gbosaa:


The pix of the tackle was scary but when I watched the video, it didn’t look as bad. It was a horrible tackle and it hurts because the French capitalised on that to win. I’m sure Matuidi would be celebrated in Paris.

When I reflect, I remember similar incident in 1988. Nigeria vs Algeria in Maroc 88. Nigeria was leading 1-0. Ademola Adeshina was given a red card and there after, Algeria equalised.

Manfred Hoener whispered to Bright Omokaro to use his ruggedness to our advantage, the result...Omokaro went on a tackle against Menad Djamel. Djamel left for treatment, came back with braces all over his leg but it wasn’t enough. Algeria had used all their three substitutes. Djamel couldn’t continue and Bright Omokaro earned himself the nickname 10-10. Even IBB hailed him.

We should forget this Matuidi incident and focus on more positive news about Nigeria football.

Hoener and Omokaro were wrong. Injuring players is evil. Those hailing him are supporting cheating. I can understand a retaliatory act especially when it is clear the referee is bias. But, never will I support going out to injure a player.

That is why I do not like Andre Ayew after he went out to injure Dodo, who was a bright promising Brazilian defender because of his eagerness to win the U20 World Cup.

Dodo was never the same after that tackle by Ayew.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mickael2(m): 11:03am On Feb 10, 2018
BascoVanVeli:


My bros u are looking suspicious o. We all know about your lack of love for Onazi grin grin
Was it a red? yes but I have seen referees miss that same call in certain games. I think u guys are both right tbh no need for the extra gra gra. Save your world class debating prowess for another time.


grin grin but seriously oh, this isn't because it is Onazi but thank God you know that this wasn't some sort of bias
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 11:07am On Feb 10, 2018
Filthy tackle from Matuidi almost amputates Onazi's ankle FRANCE 0 0 NIGERIA 2014 World Cup Review

From a sports reviewer on YouTube


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbQemREXJmI

Yet someone is talking rule book and winning.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mickael2(m): 11:07am On Feb 10, 2018
TheGoodJoe:
“Spanish newspapers had headlines saying Nigeria was robbed; they said the referee cost Nigeria the game,” Henry Makinwa, the ex-Vitoria Setubal striker said.“Emenike’s goal should have stood and why would Matuidi earn a mere yellow card for that crunching challenge on Onazi, who was our best player on the day?“It was a career-ending tackle and that should have earned the player (Matuidi) a straight red card. The officiating was nothing to write home about.”

A clear intention to injure a player with a career-ending tackle and someone wants to justify it with a rule book.


someone who thinks that Emenike's goal should have been given tells you all you need to know about the person

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