Obi1kenobi:


I just had pizza for dinner. You might as well ask me where eating pizza was sanctioned in the Bible.
Might as well ask you too where is crossover night in the Bible. Infact, the Christmas and Easter celebrations you observe or observation of Sundays as Sabbath that you copied from Catholics is where in the Bible?
Private jet for pastor, nko? Shey Paul and Peter were cruising around in Gulfstreams, abi? Holy water and stickers and blessed handkerchiefs, nko? Where are all those ones in the Bible? Pastors collecting tithe like Levites, nko? They are directly descended from the tribe of Levi, abi? Even practising Jews today are not paying tithes without an existing Levitical order, but some Pentecostal niggers in Africa dey here dey claim Levites collecting tithes. That one is in the Bible, abi? Collection of cash as tithe, nko?

The difference between you and Catholics is they do not claim to unerringly follow every dictate of the Bible in recognizing how faith and culture and human civilization as a whole has evolved over millennia. I would say this is a logical philosophical outlook. You on the other hand claim to be completely biblical institutions, but you consistently contradict this by perpetuating frauds like the manipulation of Biblical texts about tithing and following unbiblical practises.

too much grammar, i would av appreciated u telling me the book chapter nd verse where u got ur bazaar from nd also worship of Mary..

salvation101:
too much grammar, i would av appreciated u telling me the book chapter nd verse where u got ur bazaar from nd also worship of Mary..

No point engaging you if logical debate is "too much grammar". If you understood it, you wouldn't have repeated the silly question my Redeemed classmates were asking me in Junior Secondary.
And I frankly don't give a shiit if Catholics worship Amadioha. I often defend them against you Pentecostal rabble, because you're everything wrong with religion.

My first post here .

masseratti:
Hmmm,well said Bishop, but still the Vatican is one of the richest entities of all time,both in power and wealth.

you must be naive.. FYI the Catholic Church is over 1500 years...do you expect such church to be poor...

I thought the foolish man of Benue was the most useless governor but now I realize there is one who has more foolishness in the person of Yahaya Bello ...well Kogites pray your state is redeemed

OnyeOGA:
But an uninformed state governor, notorious for being insolent, described the Bishop’s intervention as the wailing of religious leaders who no longer have access to tithes because of this government’s anti-corruption fight.

http://dailypost.ng/2018/02/21/catholic-church-doesnt-run-tithes-cardinal-okogie-fires-back-gov-bello/

Calling Yahaya Bello 'uninformed or insolent,' is the greatest understatement of the century!

salvation101:
Where is bazaar in d bible? Old nd new testament?

U do not collect tithe but collect multiple offerings

Did you even read the statement?

He is not against Church offerings of contributions. This happened in both the old and new testaments. He is against (shops claiming to be) churches attaching as a condition for receiving God's blessings.

danielitaugbede:
See the problem I have with Nigerian Christians? He only "defended" the Catholic Church. Cardinal, I thought u believe in unity of all believers? Do u have to mention that no priest or even the pope has a private jet Are u afraid to own one? Then I bet it is becos u are afraid of the people not really because u care for the poor.

So you want him to attach himself with thieves and scammers (claiming to be pastors) cajoling people to pay tithes so they can use the gullible people's money to live in luxury...

...it is because of these scammers that people like Yahaya Bello can make such statement about Catholic Bishops in the first place.

First you corrupt our religion, claim we are no good,

And now that even Muslims can see you're just scammers, you want us to answer to your crimes.

No!

Acidosis:


You sounded like preachers are born to be "poor" because, according to you, Jesus did not amass wealth throughout his Ministry.

You see, in this Christian race, you can justify roughly anything with the same Bible we all believe in. What appears to be utterly bonkers to you have made many strong in the faith. Frankly, I've decided to reduce the rate at which I argue Christian doctrines.

Worshipping words from Pastors may be wrong to you, but another man will come boldly to quote Hebrews 13:17

"Obey your leaders and submit to them, for they are keeping watch over your souls, as those who will have to give an account. Let them do this with joy and not with groaning, for that would be of no advantage to you."

^ ^ Aren't the above the characteristics of a sheeple? Can't I stand on this basis and condemn you or freeze for asking people to revolt against their pastors? Doesn't this make Freeze a candidate of Hell?

Do you know some pentecostals don't collect tithes? Do you know some of them own Universities in this country? We castigate Pastors/Churches for building schools their members can't afford and then some of us come out to say #ProudCatholic as if Caritas University, Madonna University and other catholic universities in Nigeria were built with "Anointing or Olive Oil".

These are a few donations from corrupt politicians like David Mark to the said Catholic church;

https://www.nairaland.com/2061497/st-lucy-catholic-church-ukana

https://www.nairaland.com/4282756/catholic-church-otukpo-built-david/2

We have many of them in the east.

To put the record straight, majority of the corrupt christian politicians in Nigeria today are strong affiliates of the Catholic Church, so what exactly is he talking about?


But, how many Nigerian politicians have you seen in Deeper Life building Churches for Pastor Kumuyi

You see why I'm not against prosperity pastors, private jet, university and others?

All the pastors I have ever had are not illiterates, so they deserve to be rich. Many of them accepted to be pastors not because they were wiling to. The last one retired a GM in Union bank. So it is actually s!lly to expect him to be poor just because he's pastor. I personally would not want to grow under a pauper Minister with a low IQ.

To think Jesus was poor in his days isn't even rational. A man that confidently turned water to wine, two loaves to many loaves can't be termed as poor.

A man that confidently won twelve disciples to himself including well learned artisans, a lawyer, etc., to the extent they abandoned their career, can't be termed as poor. If he needed to travel from Nazareth to Vatican, I'm sure he would have gotten a private jet for himself.

You may call him humble, but he's not the definition of poverty.

"Proud Catholic" doesn't mean Catholics only do good and no bad things.

It doesn't mean 'proud of what every Catholic does.'

It means 'proud of what the Church stands for and teaches (which often stands out as good in a world where scammers claim to be men of God).'

So don't get triggered when the say PROUD CATHOLIC!

bionixs:
but runs on bazaar ,compulsory levies ,dues collected from the families of indebted dead members before they are buried. Bishop,read your bible and not bulletin

Did you even read the statement?

He is not against Church offerings of contributions. This happened in both the old and new testaments. He is against (shops claiming to be) churches attaching as a condition for receiving God's blessings.

Obi1kenobi:


No point engaging you if logical debate is "too much grammar". If you understood it, you wouldn't have repeated the silly question my Redeemed classmates were asking me in Junior Secondary.
And I frankly don't give a shiit if Catholics worship Amadioha. I often defend them against you Pentecostal rabble, because you're everything wrong with religion.

cry me a river wen u r done mr defender. Wat do u know about religion? Wen u worship a graven image how do u expect me to think more of u than an idol worshipper. U can as well start worshiping ogun

Obi1kenobi:


No point engaging you if logical debate is "too much grammar". If you understood it, you wouldn't have repeated the silly question my Redeemed classmates were asking me in Junior Secondary.
And I frankly don't give a shiit if Catholics worship Amadioha. I often defend them against you Pentecostal rabble, because you're everything warmongeringong with religion.

cry me a river wen u r done mr defender. Wat do u know about religion? Wen u worship a graven image how do u expect me to think more of u than an idol worshipper. U can as well start worshiping ogun

italo:


Did you even read the statement?

He is not against Church offerings of contributions. This happened in both the old and new testaments. He is against (shops claiming to be) churches attaching as a condition for receiving God's blessings.

so catholics do not believe in blessing from tithe but dey believe in blessings by giving offering? Can you imagine the logic? Or you do not believe there is blessings attached at all to giving? U call other churches shops but get hysterical wen dey call urs a cult

He indirectly indicted Pentecostal pastors lol

somehow:
He indirectly indicted Pentecostal pastors lol

that's why the Pentecostals stormed my thread o.

Bello is a disgrace to"Not too young to lead" . Well said Bishop Emeritus. Anyone who is keen about salvation should visit CATHOLIC church... Was not,is not and will not be business ministry or centre.

I am a catholic because salvation is primary to me,and I want PEACE here on earth and there after.

LogicStatement:

The point here is not about money but how the money is collected. Catholic church does not threatening members to pay tithe the way Pentecostal churches do. The Pentecostals tell lies about how non tithe payers will go to hell and remain financially doom if they fail to pay, and this is contrary to Christ's teachings. The Catholic church does not pay or enforce tithing but encourages members to give cheerfully- they are NEVER threaten and hence, she is the richest church in the world with the largest number of Christians as members

Yes, but stop the generalizations. I have never been forced by any pastor to pay tithe or offering since I have been attending Churches.

Tithing in many pentecostal churches is not compulsory. I have not paid tithe in months, and my presence is still very much needed in the church.

Yayaya Bello try not the Holy church of God

masseratti:
Hmmm,well said Bishop, but still the Vatican is one of the richest entities of all time,both in power and wealth.

ok u want it to be poor right?

italo:


"Proud Catholic" doesn't mean Catholics only do good and no bad things.

It doesn't mean 'proud of what every Catholic does.'

It means 'proud of what the Church stands for and teaches (which often stands out as good in a world where scammers claim to be men of God).'

So don't get triggered when the say PROUD CATHOLIC!

You believe what you want to believe.. It is all in the head.

trainingict:


I am in the Ministry, I disagree with so many things you got from prosperity teachings which you quoted above. I know money is the vehicle for driving (propagation) gospel. 1 Cor 15 : 19 says if our reward for being in Christ is only in this world, we should be the most pity of all human beings. Shortly before our Lord left this world, he told his followers their reward is in the heaven, from that moment, they stopped following him remaining only the 12 Apostles. Jesus asked them if they want to leave also, but Peter saved the day. He said they have no where to go having lost everything to follow him.

Others will quote where he said whatever you lose on this earth for following him you will gain more here & gain more in heaven. It is now a choice, people choose where & want they want in Bible. All those that sacrificed to follow Jesus in his days never got it back in this world. So, a man leaving as GM of Union Bank to answer the call is not expected to continue an executive life. Jesus once told a wealthy man to sell all he has & give to poor as a condition for following him.

A widow that gave all she had as offering was never recorded as becoming wealthy afterward. Jesus only recognized her. God has reason for making some rich & some poor, it is not by work, otherwise, people will say it is what I do that attracted the wealth.

look at you guys , i belive the for d statement is to cr8 aguement and insult within christian....ok why critizing each other denomination now, that is why even as we are the populated we have no say in the country because of our useless denomination as if their is denomination in heaven!

trainingict:


I am in the Ministry, I disagree with so many things you got from prosperity teachings which you quoted above. I know money is the vehicle for driving (propagation) gospel. 1 Cor 15 : 19 says if our reward for being in Christ is only in this world, we should be the most pity of all human beings. Shortly before our Lord left this world, he told his followers their reward is in the heaven, from that moment, they stopped following him remaining only the 12 Apostles. Jesus asked them if they want to leave also, but Peter saved the day. He said they have no where to go having lost everything to follow him.

Others will quote where he said whatever you lose on this earth for following him you will gain more here & gain more in heaven. It is now a choice, people choose where & want they want in Bible. All those that sacrificed to follow Jesus in his days never got it back in this world. So, a man leaving as GM of Union Bank to answer the call is not expected to continue an executive life. Jesus once told a wealthy man to sell all he has & give to poor as a condition for following him.

A widow that gave all she had as offering was never recorded as becoming wealthy afterward. Jesus only recognized her. God has reason for making some rich & some poor, it is not by work, otherwise, people will say it is what I do that attracted the wealth.

I don't attend Churches where the Pastor or Leader don't have a job/business. If he decides to live an executive life with his earnings, it is not my business bro.

You can't be a pastor without a job/and a degree in the church I currently attend (it is a criteria) and there is nothing like salary or allowance. Even if you speak 1 million tongues, you can't become a head of any of its branches if you don't have a job, because they don't want you to sit your a$$ in your house, expecting members' bags of rice and vegetable oil before you can feed your family. They want you to earn more and even give/support your local church and your members.

No pastor survives on members donation or tithe. Many of them earn more than any member of their congregation, so you don't expect them to stop working because they want to serve the same God that said "if you don't work, you don't deserve to eat".

When I said he retired a GM of Union Bank, I meant he accepted the work of the Ministry while also working as one of the GMs in Union Bank.

salvation101:
cry me a river wen u r done mr defender. Wat do u know about religion? Wen u worship a graven image how do u expect me to think more of u than an idol worshipper. U can as well start worshiping ogun

Why the fucckk would I give a shiit what you think of me and the "graven image" I worship?
You mean graven image like the mindless sheep venerating the chair Adeboye sat on or the ones carrying pastor's sticker, handkerchief and holy water around?
See who is asking me "what I know about religion"? Do I look like a mindless sheep?

Obi1kenobi:


Why the fucckk would I give a shiit what you think of me and the "graven image" I worship?
You mean graven image like the mindless sheep venerating the chair Adeboye sat on or the ones carrying pastor's sticker, handkerchief and holy water around?
See who is asking me "what I know about religion"? Do I look like a mindless sheep?

u look worse than a mindless sheep.. U av been configured to worship idolatry and many extrabiblical practices but cry foul over tithes dat others pay dat u av no staking in. In ur whole life u av never tithed nd will never tithe but ministries are growing without ur penny nd u r jealous.

masseratti:
Hmmm,well said Bishop, but still the Vatican is one of the richest entities of all time,both in power and wealth.

What did you expect of an institution that's 2k plus years old?!

Even with that, most of the monies go back to the community; building schools, hospitals, churches and sending missionaries to the ends of the earth.

salvation101:
u look worse than a mindless sheep.. U av been configured to worship idolatry and many extrabiblical practices but cry foul over tithes dat others pay dat u av no staking in. In ur whole life u av never tithed nd will never tithe but ministries are growing without ur penny nd u r jealous.

I'm "jealous"?
If you say so. For the record, I never told you I'm a Catholic so I don't know what you keep rambling about what I "worship". You all exist in the same mass delusion: Catholic or orthodox Protestants or Pentecostals or Jehovah's witnesses or whoever. Catholics are simply far less of mindless, deluded sheeple compared to you Pentecostals and I find them more palatable.

I "cry foul" over thieves who manipulate their gullible sheep into paying tithes because they're charlatans and I dislike charlatans. I'm not nearly as bothered by the gullible sheep who think tithing is some kind of MMM ponzi scheme that will multiply their wealth. That's their own choice, same way people choose to play Baba Ijebu or Betnaija. It's their money and I don't care how they spend it.

Obi1kenobi:


I'm "jealous"?
If you say so. For the record, I never told you I'm a Catholic so I don't know what you keep rambling about what I "worship". You all exist in the same mass delusion: Catholic or orthodox Protestants or Pentecostals or Jehovah's witnesses or whoever. Catholics are simply far less of mindless, deluded sheeple compared to you Pentecostals and I find them more palatable.

I "cry foul" over thieves who manipulate their gullible sheep into paying tithes because they're charlatans and I dislike charlatans. I'm not nearly as bothered by the gullible sheep who think tithing is some kind of MMM ponzi scheme that will multiply their wealth. That's their own choice, same way people choose to play Baba Ijebu or Betnaija. It's their money and I don't care how they spend it.

hehehehe u do not want to be associated with catholics, its understandable cos u know if we open the can of worms, it would be a shame to have been catholic. But if you av forgotten, i av not. Dis is not the first thread we will be discussing on and you will be promoting ur catholic cult.. U can't deceive me.
Talking about mmm or bet9ja, i am yet to see a pentecostal church dat sold "indulgence".. One of the greatest scams in the history of Christianity

get sense..olodo like u

salvation101:
Where is bazaar in d bible? Old nd new testament?

U do not collect tithe but collect multiple offerings

holajeedayy:

ok u want it to be poor right?

can you read at all?

nonye6194:



What did you expect of an institution that's 2k plus years old?!

Even with that, most of the monies go back to the community; building schools, hospitals, churches and sending missionaries to the ends of the earth.

you are too aggressive did I dispute anything you said there? And this are attribute of modern Catholic church, before the Church was a government its self,so it has to be rich and extremely powerful.

Fourwinds:
you must be naive.. FYI the Catholic Church is over 1500 years...do you expect such church to be poor...

no its actually older than that,I don't know where you got the notion that am against the Church,you don't expect a church that governed 2/3 of the world we know today to be poor.

achiever12:


Still doesn't change the fact that the church doesn't attach blessings to tithe as they wrongly teach some people in the business centres they call church.

And despite the riches of the Vatican, they would rather spend their excess wealth on charity than waste it on multiple private jet. Nobody can dispute this.

at a point in time in the history of the church they actually encouraged that,Reformation has changed everything.