Frumentum:

History will correctly be unkind to him, but he gave those following Valentine's day a great gift.

P.S. Now that he's no longer C-in-C I can freely express my opinion. Good riddance to bad rubbish!

patches689:


lol, people are so happy that Zuma is gone... yet they dont see the writing on the wall.

Sure, Zuma stole from us... but Cyril is going to destroy us. Mark my words.

SA's rainfall is predicted to drop by 40% over the next 25 years. Cyril (either by choice, or because of the party) is going to push forward with expropriation without compensation. 90% of previously transferred farms have failed (completely). Expropriation will also wipe about 133 billion of Rand's of assets from the banking sector (commercial farmers owe huge amounts to the banks) so there wont be any capital left to re-invest in Agriculture. Add it up.

The Zimbabwe analogy is a fallacy, what is coming our way is worse - inconceivably worse. Zimbabwe is a rural country, Zimbabwe has a prosperous neighbor to the South. When their farming sector went belly-up and food scarcity hit, their urban population could simply return to the country side for a subsistence life-style, or head South to RSA. We dont have those options - we are an urbanized country with poor neighbors - you are going to have starving and unemployed masses in the cities, many of which will also be facing water scarcity. Its going to get fvcking nasty fvcking quickly.

Hell, and Im not even going to mention the new mining charter - which seems to want to recreate the same Apartheid sanctions that killed the mining sector (and brought the NP to the negotiation chamber), or the new Minimum Wage act (Treasury estimates it will cause potential job losses* for 45% of primary educated labour, 43% of agricultural labour, 52% of private households, about 40% of all full-time workers, 45% of full-time clothing workers, 82% of full-time workers in the agricultural sector, 87% of full-time domestic workers).

To be honest, the party is over. Im going to stay over-seas for the next decade or so - busy working on getting residency in the US atm. Ill wait it out, and work myself to death in a Corporate hell-scape. But when all the new farms have failed, sail in with a pocket-full of USD and buy a nice big slice of land on the cheap. Use that land to leverage a loan from the bank and then buy up another big slice of land. Then sit on it and wait for the sector to recover and sell it off for a nice profit. Ironically, my great grandfather made a small fortune doing the exact same thing in the aftermath of the Boer war.

Its very risky, but the deep irony of a White fella turning this racist land redistribution strategy into a way to generate a tidy sum of money, while the "beneficiaries" of the redistribution get plunged into generations of suffering is just too juicy to resist. There are safer investments, but fvck me, nothing gets me going like a good dose of JUSTICE.


*that % of jobs will now be "at risk", ie: potentially no longer economically viable.

jln115:

Land distribution without compensation will lead to war, unlike Zim the white population in SA is much larger and much better armed than there Zim counter parts.

Sizzorkay:
You guys self.
France isn't some idiotic country that won't asses a situation before starting a war with Nigeria, if anything France will help settle things, not Attack Nigeria.
Only time i believe France would, is if Nigeria was the aggressor, but if it was the other side, France won't blindly side with them, doesn't work that way. You ever thought about France own interest in Nigeria? Economically that is, it dwarfs that of Cameroon.
So if we get into a fight with Cameroon, which they started, No way France will just start bombing Nigeria, i doubt they will do that, they will just use diplomacy. My opinion of course. Defense treaty or not.
And don't forget whatever the UNSC is gonna do, Russia i believe, will have Nigeria's back in there.

jpphilips:


By annexing Southern Cameroon or helping the rebel leadership, Nigeria has become the aggressor, refer again to Russia vs Crimea, despite the Crimea parliament vote (wish of the people), the case was decided on Article 2.4 where Russia was found guilty, in return, sanctions rained on Russia, there is already a precedence here so you can slide in the best guess for the end of the road.
It is pretty safe to assume France will help Cameroon at the UNSC because they already have a defense pact and Cameroon hasn't jeopardized that yet, Russia will help Nigeria based on what exactly?

jln115:

Land distribution without compensation will lead to war, unlike Zim the white population in SA is much larger and much better armed than there Zim counter parts.

patches689:


Land is not worth dying (or killing for). Its just dirt. We live on a planet full of dirt. SA and the majority seem determined on economic ruin. Fine, they were warned of the consequences, they still want it, let them have it.

There are plenty of African nations that have already learnt this lesson and are keen on doing business - great agricultural opportunities in Zambia, Tanzania, Kenya, Angola, Uganda, Nigeria and the DRC. Anecdotally, I went to uni with a Zimbo whos family had lost practically everything in the early 2000's - her father made a deal with a provincial governor in Malawi to farm macadamia nuts and by the time I met her (2008) her family was wealthier than they had ever been in Zimbabwe, and by all accounts the locals in Malawi were thrilled to have them there while the government had been very supportive of them.

SA farmers should be looking at making similar deals with other governments - just look at the greatly beneficial relationship former Zimbo farmers have established with the Zambian government. Just 100 farmers increased Zambias maze crop by 70% in one year and during a drought and are now moving onto cash crops, lifting 2,5 million Zambians out of food-insecurity.
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/11/white-farmers-thrive-zambia-years-driven-zimbabwe-171123140704208.html

South African farmers could repeat this success all across Africa, lifting millions out of food shortages, generating huge revenues for sensible African governments (such as Kenya, Tanzania and Zambia) and providing jobs to many tens of thousands of low-skill workers currently stuck in the poverty-trap. We could become a key player in Africa's renaissance.

fok hierdie plek, dis tyd om te trek

newafricaken254:
the problem with africa is that we have leaders who look for simple solutions for complex problems.free education while you are having a poorly funded,deteriorating public education system,we need leader who come up with smart solution for growing youthful population

Jkay187:


You're sounding more like a racist bigot.

newafricaken254:
the problem with africa is that we have leaders who look for simple solutions for complex problems.free education while you are having a poorly funded,deteriorating public education system,we need leader who come up with smart solution for growing youthful population

newafricaken254:
the problem with africa is that we have leaders who look for simple solutions for complex problems.free education while you are having a poorly funded,deteriorating public education system,we need leader who come up with smart solution for growing youthful population

patches689:


Not a single thing I said was racist, not once did I mention race in any way. My post was carefully and specifically crafted to explicitly avoid the issue of race.

But since you have opened the door, let me walk through it: the reason I feel so strongly about this issue is specifically because a policy that strips land from people based purely on the color their skin, a mere accident of birth, is racist and deeply immoral.

It was evil when the Apartheid government did it, and it is evil now. And if they wish to commit a sin, make no mistake, I intend to profit from it.

jln115:
Africaken, i never thought the day would come where i actually 100% agree with you!!

IMO the best way to fix inequality(And actually most of the problems in the country) is through a proper, efficient, well funded education system!.........Knowledge is power. The fact is most of SA has been left uneducated thanks to apartheid, and the ANC unfortunately has focused to much on BEE and AA , which although nice in theory, there simply isn't enough skilled people of colour to meet the Governments expectations/demands.....hence leaving the door open for all sorts of corruption ect ect and also the fact that only the elite few get all the contracts/vacancies and the majority of Black SANs live in poverty.

If Government can just supply proper education to the masses, which would allow individuals to understand and manage their own enterprises, as well as setting up a policy where by in stead of trying to get these individuals in to existing businesses through BEE, but rather supplying the necessary resources for them to start their own companies, one would never need BBE or AA since the majority of businesses will be black owned anyway.

IMO BEE and AA (how its implemented now) is counter productive, people that are more qualified are either not hired or even retrenched in favor of a less qualified individual, Im not saying get rid of BEE(for now anyway) but at least implement it in a way that's not so counter productive.

Jkay187:


Maak n ander thread dan kan ons mekaar daar gaan skop skiet en doner my friend.

Anyway I have my own views on the subject and its the total opposite. This issue is more then just land restitution.

patches689:


Not a single thing I said was racist, not once did I mention race in any way. My post was carefully and specifically crafted to explicitly avoid the issue of race.

But since you have opened the door, let me walk through it: the reason I feel so strongly about this issue is specifically because a policy that strips land from people based purely on the color their skin, a mere accident of birth, is racist and deeply immoral.

It was evil when the Apartheid government did it, and it is evil now. And if they wish to commit a sin, make no mistake, I intend to profit from it.

patches689:


Free education in itself only makes the matter worse. Its not meerly bad decision making, its populist decision making.

As the economist Milton Freidman argued: the only group that benefits from free university education is the group that least needs it, that is, the middle-class. This is so as those whom are most likely to go on to University are those same people for whom the education system allready works - ask yourself, who is it (generally) who goes to College? Is it the poor child, who grows up in a marginalized area fulled with vice and failed schools or is it the wealthy child who grows up in the suburbs and has access to quality public or private education? When you implement free university education you will arrive at an absurd destination where the working class is subsidizing, through taxes, the education of the middle-class.

The systemic failures in Africa, and the hinderances to Africas growth (which should outstrip that of China or Indias) is failed socialist thinking and policy.

If any of you are interested in this line of argument - that of why Africa has failed to reach its true potential - I recommend the work of George Ayittey the Ghanaian economist and intellectual. Here is an example of the core theme of his arguments:
https://fee.org/resources/betrayal-why-socialism-failed-in-africa/

jpphilips:


By annexing Southern Cameroon or helping the rebel leadership, Nigeria has become the aggressor, refer again to Russia vs Crimea, despite the Crimea parliament vote (wish of the people), the case was decided on Article 2.4 where Russia was found guilty, in return, sanctions rained on Russia, there is already a precedence here so you can slide in the best guess for the end of the road.
It is pretty safe to assume France will help Cameroon at the UNSC because they already have a defense pact and Cameroon hasn't jeopardized that yet, Russia will help Nigeria based on what exactly?

Sizzorkay:
Properly read what i wrote, which land did Nigeria annexed? Which rebel leader from Cameroon did Nigeria helped?
I said as long as Nigeria isn't the aggressor , that is, didn't start the fight, France won't jump in and start bombing Nigeria.
They aren't morons. Just because you have a defense pact with another country doesn't mean you pick a fight at will and expect that country to come to your aid when you've bitten more than you could chew.
And yes Russia will back Nigeria in the UNSC if Nigeria wasn't the aggressor, it's called diplomacy, and they most likely will, hell they will even sell us weapons if we are to ever get into a fight with Cameroon, sure that's business, and that's also why they are most likely to have our back at the UNSC. Russia doesn't tow some dotted line, you should know that.

jpphilips:
https://www.channelstv.com/2018/02/22/yobe-govt-makes-u-turn-retracts-statement-rescue-schoolgirls/

2014 dejavu!!

jpphilips:
https://www.channelstv.com/2018/02/22/yobe-govt-makes-u-turn-retracts-statement-rescue-schoolgirls/
2014 dejavu!!

jakeporeshenko:

Undoing an evil act is an evil act ?
When apartheid government did it they stole land that belonged to helpless individuals! You think those poor black farmers were compensated, the approach today may be wrong and personally I don’t believe anyone should feel sorry or be punished for the actions of their ancestors but common man you can’t judge it as an evil act.

If tomorrow African government covertly sponsored night raids to recover artifacts stolen and put on display in museums by colonizers in UK, France etc... basically taking back their property will that be deemed by you as an “evil act” as well ?

“It was about prayer time, and we were in the mosque when we began to hear sounds of vehicles moving at unusual speed around the streets,” he said.

“Then we saw some of them driving towards where the security people are stationed. Then we began to hear shootings. From my experience as an internally displaced person from Katarko, I knew that such kind of shooting was not a friendly one. So I told people that this is not good we have to take to safety.

“I told them that these people in military uniform are not soldiers, because on their Hilux vans are inscriptions in Arabic.

“So I had to flee out of the mosque. As I was running towards my house to see if my family had also ran out, I saw a large number of Boko Haram gunmen (marching on) a village head of a nearby community called Dana, asking him to take them to a school; I had to dock and I heard them cursing him and shouting at him that “show us where the school is, show us where the girls school is.” And I think the Village head deliberately took them to a junior secondary near the hospital, where there were no student at that time, and when they were going into the school the village head escaped.

“When they found out that the school was empty they came back asking people to tell them the location of GGSS until they eventually located the school. They were very specific about what they were looking for. In fact they were telling some people in Kanuri language that “go on with your prayers we are not here for you people.” They even shook hands with some villagers to tell them they did not mean harm.

“From all indication, their primary mission was the school and it appeared most of them don’t know much about the town, they were strangers that was why it took them time to locate the school which was along the highway at the outskirts of the town.

“When they eventually found the school, they abducted more than 90 girls, most of them are our friends and brothers’ daughters, and took them away,” he said.

olapluto:
More Dapchi details:
http://saharareporters.com/2018/02/23/how-boko-haram-attack-kidnap-dapchi-schoolgirls-occurred-%E2%80%93-residents-school-staff



90 girls. New bargaining power for a weakening BHT. So DSS, NPF, Army, Airforce, Civil defence, etc were all sleeping for the whole of 3 hours?