This whole thing sounds like Germanic supremacists looking down on the south and east Europeans.

Hati13:

Interesting. About Cushite being product of African male and Eurasia female like you, wouldn't be probable if it was majority Eurasia male and African women since male consists the major portion of the migration population for the most part in the past?

And I once read that the African components of Cushite were mainly from Khoisan and the ancestors of present day Nilotic groups. What do you say?

And you are wrong when you say Ethiosemitic speakers are migrants. They equally have inhabited the Horn as Cushite did. Semitic originated in the Horn before it later expanded to Levant and Arabia. It's true that majority of Ethiosemitic speakers are Cushite as a result of assimilation, but the ancient Ethiosemitic speakers were distinct just like Cushite and Omar were and are distinct.

You would think so, but DNA results show that it is the opposite actually. Also the ancient Nilotes looked nothing like the Nilotes of today. Their appearance has changed due to admixture. Human genetics is an intriguing puzzle my friend, it is hard to grasp sometimes and anthropologists are still flabbergasted by human admixture and migration patterns till today.

I based my assumption of Ethiosemitic speakers being migrants on their language and their back migration into the horn of Africa. Fair point that the majority of them are just Semitic-speaking Cushites, but I was only commenting on their back migration.

I'll reply back to you in segments since you took your time with this reply.

revontuli:


I don't think there is any "pure-blooded" nation on earth other than the isolated, uncontacted native tribes in the Bolivian jungles, Arctic natives and nomadic Mongolian tribes. Anyone around trade routes and port cities is hella mixed.
Mogadishu was a port city and trade center since antiquity. Quoting Wikipedia:

Mogadishu was part of the Somali city-states that in engaged in a lucrative trade network connecting Somali merchants with Phoenicia, Ptolemic Egypt, Greece, Parthian Persia, Saba, Nabataea and the Roman Empire. Somali sailors used the ancient Somali maritime vessel known as the beden to transport their cargo.

According to the Periplus of the Erythraean Sea, maritime trade connected Somalis in the Mogadishu area (known to the Romans and Greeks as Sarapion) with other communities along the Indian Ocean coast as early as the 1st century CE.

How can it be remotely possible to maintain ethnic purity with such a history? The Somalian youtuber lady linked here turned out to have about 5% South Asian and 1% European DNA and was shocked about it, although there isn't much of a shock factor if you pay attention to ancient history.

You have a port and trade center? You are mixed as mixed goes. Even the isolated Iceland far above the Arctic circle has mixed genetics cause the Vikings raided and traded with the British Isles and took women from there. Ancient people mixed like no tomorrow cause of trade, conquests and raiding.

First of all, the argument is not about racial or genetic purity. It's the blatant lie that Somalis are Arabized or bastardised Arabs. That was my issue with the person you're quoting. We already know of our mixture, but despite trading with the rest of the world for millennia, we barely mixed with outsiders as it is evident from our DNA results. The most thorough DNA test for Horn Africans like myself is 23andme which I have taken. It states that I am 98% East African and by East African, it alludes to people from the Horn mainly who all pretty much share the same haplotype which is E1b1b. Our admixture as I've stated above comes from thousands of years before when there weren't such thing as a Somali ethnicity, when we were just grouped with other Cushitic speakers.

Our Admixture and migration only confirms that we are more purer compared to our neighbouring Nilotic and Bantu tribes as they are much more mixed than us.

The lady you are talking about is from a distinct Somali ethnicity called Banadiri - a lot of them are Somalized Arabs. So it's not a shocker to see her get 5% South Asian and what not. The average Somali person gets no more than 0.5%-1% Arab or European.

revontuli:
As a Euro-American, one thing I find quite laughable is the Somalis trolling around, looking down on the West Africans and claiming they are more beautiful and better than the blacks. LMAO, Somali diaspora has the worst reputation imaginable. West African, especially Nigerian and Ghanaian football players are all over the UK Premier League and Bundesliga. Where are the Somalis?

Nigeria exports football stars, authors, doctors, scholars and hard working university student population. Sure they also exported some criminals but the hard work and success of the aforementioned groups offsets that. Somali diaspora on the other hand is well known for their khat chewing habits, gaming the system to practice polygamy, illiteracy and laziness. We learned all about khat thanks to the Somalis, we learned about female genital mutilation again thanks to the Somalis. No other African diaspora population is associated with such things. Somalis are the biggest African and 3rd biggest foreign immigrant population where I live, but all the ethnic African stores are run by Ghanaians and Nigerians, which constitute a very small population. There are only a handful of Ethiopians, yet 2 Ethiopian restaurants. Somalis with their massive population don't have a single restaurant or shop. I know about fufu, okra stew, plantain pudding, yam, cassava, but don't have a clue what Somalis eat cause there are no Somali restaurants within 1000 miles. They are hiding their cuisine from the world like it's the greatest secret.

Although, Somali trolls do go overboard with the insults, but I reckon it is just a retaliation to West Africans telling them they're bastardised Arabs, not really black and make fun of their features which is surprisingly not seen as anti-black due to West and southern Africans seemingly taking ownership of the African look, as if everyone in Africa is meant to resemble them.

Most Somalis are 1st and 2nd generation refugees from a war-torn country, they will naturally underperform until they reach 2nd and 3rd generation. Such is the integration patterns with refugee groups around the world. Resettling refugees into a foreign land and expecting them to become world-beaters isn't realistic. Also, Somalis are in no way comparable to West Africans. The former is 20 million with only 1 million of those based outside of the Horn, while the latter numbers over 300 million.

But let me address your points:

"Somalis don't have intellectuals and world-renowned people"

Sir Mohamed Farah - A refugee who came to the UK as a 12 year-old. Name a west African equivalent to Mo Farah?
AbdulQawi Yusuf - incumbent president of the International Courts Justice.
Nuruddin Farah - Multi-award winning author and Nobel prize nominee for his outstanding novels.
Rageh Omaar - World famous reporter and award-winning TV presenter who worked for the BBC and Al-Jazeera.
Ahmed Hussen - Canadian minister of immigration. Holds this office despite being born in Somalia.
Ilhan Omar - First Somali-American state lawmaker and despite also being born in Somalia.
Iman Abdulmajid - Model, actress, philanthropist and businesswoman, also born in Somalia.

So much for they don't produce famous people and I'm typing this from the top of my sleepy head and I haven't even mentioned the younger generation which are all on the come up.

Ayan Hirsi one of the last Somali people I'd want to claim. She literally made money from lying about her culture, ex-husband, parents and religion. In the end she was booted out of the Dutch parliament after an embarrassing scandal. The US media completely hide this from the public whilst parading her around as a voice against Islam. They'll spit her out once they're done with her, just like the Dutch before them.

"Khat" - this is a drug used throughout the horn of Africa and some parts of Arabia. Yemenis are an even bigger Khat-consuming nation.
"FGM is exclusive to Somalis" - False FGM is practised among your West African people too, it is practised both north and west of Nigeria, all the way to the Senegambia region. This ancient practice is outlawed in Somalia, but may still be practised in the rural regions of East Africa where Somalis are not the only ones doing it.
"Polygamy" - You must be extremely ignorant to think that Somalis are the only Africans to practise polygamy. Almost all of Sub Saharan Africa does this, even the fully Christian nations in southern Africa.
"Somali cuisine is not known" - If where you're from has a huge Somali population, specifically London, Minnesota, Seattle, Ohio or Toronto, then you're deliberately ignoring Somali restaurants. One of the restaurants in Minneapolis even has the mayor visiting on a regular basis and has been awarded and mentioned on Minnesota state channels multiple times - look up Afro Deli.

Miss pretend-European, it's not rocket science to see that you're an angry West African. It's intriguing how you know about khat and FGM, but don't know even more simpler things. Alas, I totally agree with you though, the trolls are damaging our already bad image and if you read through this thread you will have seen that the original poster has already been called out for his stupidity. That is probably why he's not posting anymore.

To preserve the civil discussion we're having on this thread, I won't give a reply to the rest of your post. I don't want to get sucked into silly arguments like that, they only lead to insults and pettiness.

Ozouno1:


14 February 1974 - Somalia joins the Arab League after fourteen years of independence.

Being members of the Arab League going on 50 years is a contradiction then. How does that get resolved?

I've already answered this.

Hirad:


It's a complex issue to be honest with you and it was a politically motivated move rather than 'Arab-wannabeism' as you phrase it. We were under the rule of Siad Barre who was a ruthless dictator that caused the eventual downfall of the Somali Republic. Furthermore, when Somalia joined the Arab League we were preparing for a war with Ethiopia to regain Western Somalia or what is today the Somali region of Ethiopia which is roughly around 1\4 of Ethiopia. We were looking for allies and financial backers, as we had recently severed ties with the Soviet Union over the issue of retaking Western Somalia at the time. Both the War and and joining the Arab League turned out to be bad moves as we lost the war and members of the Arab League sided with Ethiopia against us, namely Libya and South Yemen. Since the war, the country as either been in turmoil or under a transitional government until 2012. By the way, the Arab League also has observer states like Eritrea, Brazil and Venezuela.

Hirad:
I'll reply back to you in segments since you took your time with this reply.



First of all, the argument is not about racial or genetic purity. It's the blatant lie that Somalis are Arabized or bastardised Arabs. That was my issue with the person you're quoting. We already know of our mixture, but despite trading with the rest of the world for millennia, we barely mixed with outsiders as it is evident from our DNA results. The most thorough DNA test for Horn Africans like myself is 23andme which I have taken. It states that I am 98% East African and by East African, it alludes to people from the Horn mainly who all pretty much share the same haplotype which is E1b1b. Our admixture as I've stated above comes from thousands of years before when there weren't such thing as a Somali ethnicity, when we were just grouped with other Cushitic speakers.

Our Admixture and migration only confirms that we are more purer compared to our neighbouring Nilotic and Bantu tribes as they are much more mixed than us.

The lady you are talking about is from a distinct Somali ethnicity called Banadiri - a lot of them are Somalized Arabs. So it's not a shocker to see her get 5% South Asian and what not. The average Somali person gets no more than 0.5%-1% Arab or European.



Although, Somali trolls do go overboard with the insults, but I reckon it is just a retaliation to West Africans telling them they're bastardised Arabs, not really black and make fun of their features which is surprisingly not seen as anti-black due to West and southern Africans seemingly taking ownership of the African look, as if everyone in Africa is meant to resemble them.

Most Somalis are 1st and 2nd generation refugees from a war-torn country, they will naturally underperform until they reach 2nd and 3rd generation. Such is the integration patterns with refugee groups around the world. Resettling refugees into a foreign land and expecting them to become world-beaters isn't realistic. Also, Somalis are in no way comparable to West Africans. The former is 20 million with only 1 million of those based outside of the Horn, while the latter numbers over 300 million.

But let me address your points:

"Somalis don't have intellectuals and world-renowned people"

Sir Mohamed Farah - A refugee who came to the UK as a 12 year-old. Name a west African equivalent to Mo Farah?
AbdulQawi Yusuf - incumbent president of the International Courts Justice.
Nuruddin Farah - Multi-award winning author and Nobel prize nominee for his outstanding novels.
Rageh Omaar - World famous reporter and award-winning TV presenter who worked for the BBC and Al-Jazeera.
Ahmed Hussen - Canadian minister of immigration. Holds this office despite being born in Somalia.
Ilhan Omar - First Somali-American state lawmaker and despite also being born in Somalia.
Iman Abdulmajid - Model, actress, philanthropist and businesswoman, also born in Somalia.

So much for they don't produce famous people and I'm typing this from the top of my sleepy head and I haven't even mentioned the younger generation which are all on the come up.

Ayan Hirsi one of the last Somali people I'd want to claim. She literally made money from lying about her culture, ex-husband, parents and religion. In the end she was booted out of the Dutch parliament after an embarrassing scandal. The US media completely hide this from the public whilst parading her around as a voice against Islam. They'll spit her out once they're done with her, just like the Dutch before them.

"Khat" - this is a drug used throughout the horn of Africa and some parts of Arabia. Yemenis are an even bigger Khat-consuming nation.
"FGM is exclusive to Somalis" - False FGM is practised among your West African people too, it is practised both north and west of Nigeria, all the way to the Senegambia region. This ancient practice is outlawed in Somalia, but may still be practised in the rural regions of East Africa where Somalis are not the only ones doing it.
"Polygamy" - You must be extremely ignorant to think that Somalis are the only Africans to practise polygamy. Almost all of Sub Saharan Africa does this, even the fully Christian nations in southern Africa.
"Somali cuisine is not known" - If where you're from has a huge Somali population, specifically London, Minnesota, Seattle, Ohio or Toronto, then you're deliberately ignoring Somali restaurants. One of the restaurants in Minneapolis even has the mayor visiting on a regular basis and has been awarded and mentioned on Minnesota state channels multiple times - look up Afro Deli.

Fair enough. I was answering the trollish guy's racist rhetoric, since I read some of the history of this forum and noticed the racist trolling is a repeating pattern. Ayaan Hirsi Ali has a lot of fans in the Western atheist and feminist scene, also Arab atheist scene. If the Americans don't want her anymore, Arab atheists will welcome her with open arms, she has a lot of fans.

I don't know much about the Somali diaspora in the States, other than the family unification scams I saw in the media. I googled the Somali restaurants in Minnesota, that is impressive. Looks like the entrepreneurial types went to the States.

Miss pretend-European, it's not rocket science to see that you're an angry West African. It's intriguing how you know about khat and FGM, but don't know even more simpler things.

LMAO how do you know I'm a West African? I could be a half Nigerian-half Swedish American, or a Russian orphan adopted by Nigerian-American parents (which would technically make me a Euro-American!), or a German with West African stepmother and half siblings.

Alas, I totally agree with you though, the trolls are damaging our already bad image and if you read through this thread you will have seen that the original poster has already been called out for his stupidity. That is probably why he's not posting anymore.

To preserve the civil discussion we're having on this thread, I won't give a reply to the rest of your post. I don't want to get sucked into silly arguments like that, they only lead to insults and pettiness.

Thanks for keeping it civil and mature, you have erased the bad image created by the Somali hate speech trolls and improved the Nigerian-Somalian relations by being a classy gentleman.

Hati13:

Welcome back


There are new evidences being presented that disprove the claim that Semitic originated in the Middle East in favor of NE Africa homeland.

Agreed

How couldn't they be when their main ancestors (Afroasiatic) came from NE Africa? It's because of assimilation like you suggested that they gradually became light skinned.

I agree. Only very few Horners intermingled with Arab. The great genetic similarities between Horners and Yemenis is the result of the former settling, colonializing and intermixing with the Yemeni in ancient times.

I haven't researched such evidence. Is it commonly accepted or is it just a speculation? I would love to see such theory.

If we use that logic, then the original Chinese or Europeans were black. You can say the precursor to Arabs were black, but at the time Arabs started calling themselves Arab however many centuries ago, you can't definitely say they were black. They could be very well, but again that's just speculation.

Actually that specific admixture you speak off was relatively small and it was mostly with the Semitic speaking honers. It's negligible with Cushtic, Omotic, and Nilotic speakers.

Hirad:
I'll reply back to you in segments since you took your time with this reply.
First of all, the argument is not about racial or genetic purity. It's the blatant lie that Somalis are Arabized or bastardised Arabs. That was my issue with the person you're quoting. We already know of our mixture, but despite trading with the rest of the world for millennia, we barely mixed with outsiders as it is evident from our DNA results. The most thorough DNA test for Horn Africans like myself is 23andme which I have taken. It states that I am 98% East African and by East African, it alludes to people from the Horn mainly who all pretty much share the same haplotype which is E1b1b. Our admixture as I've stated above comes from thousands of years before when there weren't such thing as a Somali ethnicity, when we were just grouped with other Cushitic speakers.

I just want to chime in on this discussion. Yes, your haplogroup can help you understand your ancestry, but it's not a marker for a race. Haplogroups are just sections of your gene that is passed down through either paternal or maternal lineage, meaning that you can only inherit one male or female marker from one of your thousands of male or female ancestors. For example, you can be half Chinese and half German and only inherit an East Asian haplogroup, despite also being half German. In fact, you can inherit a halogroup that is not frequently found in your own ethnic group. Yes, Eb1b(E-M215) is the most common ancestry among Somalis, but there are those that don't have E1b1b. In your case, that same E1b1b haplogroup clade is also found in high percentages among people in the Northwest Africa, even found among some Southern Europeans, and certain West African ethnic groups despite the phenotypic differences across those populations. Another example is the R1b haplogroup, which is the most common hplogroup in Western Europe. Interestingly enough, this same R1b is the most common haplogroup among Afro-Asiatic (Chadic) speakers living in Northern Nigeria, Southern Niger, Chad, and Northern Cameroon despite the phenotypic dissimilarities between Chadic speakers and Western Europeans. Anyways, the E haplogroup is unmistakenably an African haplogroup according to scientists and is the most common haplogroup in Africa. It's broken down into many smaller clades, one of which is E1b1b. So, yes Somalis are African. However one is only as African as one would like to portray oneself.

Our Admixture and migration only confirms that we are more purer compared to our neighbouring Nilotic and Bantu tribes as they are much more mixed than us.

The lady you are talking about is from a distinct Somali ethnicity called Banadiri - a lot of them are Somalized Arabs. So it's not a shocker to see her get 5% South Asian and what not. The average Somali person gets no more than 0.5%-1% Arab or European.

I don't know how true this claim about Bantus are Nilotics are, but I'm sure you won't want people calling Somalis unpure either. Also, what ever happened to the Bantus and or Nilotic population the Somalis enslaved historically? Did they magically disappeared? In many cultures, slaves after many centuries often integrate with the culture that enslaved them. This is the reason why many Arabs carry some Subsaharan African DNA. Also, in the world of genetics, pure is not necessarily a good thing despite the prevail of the notion in society. Populations that are "pure" are more likely to be predisposed to genetic conditions and undesirable traits as they lack genetic diversity. We can see this in some Ashkenazi Jewish populations who are more predisposed to certain genetic conditions. Also in the world that we live in, purity is often hard to come by.

Although, Somali trolls do go overboard with the insults, but I reckon it is just a retaliation to West Africans telling them they're bastardised Arabs, not really black and make fun of their features which is surprisingly not seen as anti-black due to West and southern Africans seemingly taking ownership of the African look, as if everyone in Africa is meant to resemble them.

I am not inclined to believe that the resentment and believes often displayed by these Somali trolls on Nairaland are not a direct representation of the common beliefs held by many Somalis. These beliefs often show some superiority complex. Maybe not you in particular, but truth be told that many Somalis hold a great deal of disdain for their immediate neighbors in Africa yet show more love to Arabs. I mean this thread is a clear example of such. So, it may not come as a surprise that some ignorant folks have such mindset of Somalis. This is Nairaland. The most common discussion commonly discussed here are related to politics, celebrities, travel, religion, etc. The people who usually start thread like these are infact Somali trolls desperate for attention, not West Africans. Many West Africans don't really know much of Somalis and the same can be said vice versa. Infact, I know many Somalis don't know much of West Africa. This platform can be used by Somalis to educate and teach West Africans about Somali culture, but I guess it's more important to create silly threads like this.

Most Somalis are 1st and 2nd generation refugees from a war-torn country, they will naturally underperform until they reach 2nd and 3rd generation. Such is the integration patterns with refugee groups around the world. Resettling refugees into a foreign land and expecting them to become world-beaters isn't realistic. Also, Somalis are in no way comparable to West Africans. The former is 20 million with only 1 million of those based outside of the Horn, while the latter numbers over 300 million.

But let me address your points:

"Somalis don't have intellectuals and world-renowned people"

Sir Mohamed Farah - A refugee who came to the UK as a 12 year-old. Name a west African equivalent to Mo Farah?
AbdulQawi Yusuf - incumbent president of the International Courts Justice.
Nuruddin Farah - Multi-award winning author and Nobel prize nominee for his outstanding novels.
Rageh Omaar - World famous reporter and award-winning TV presenter who worked for the BBC and Al-Jazeera.
Ahmed Hussen - Canadian minister of immigration. Holds this office despite being born in Somalia.
Ilhan Omar - First Somali-American state lawmaker and despite also being born in Somalia.
Iman Abdulmajid - Model, actress, philanthropist and businesswoman, also born in Somalia.

So much for they don't produce famous people and I'm typing this from the top of my sleepy head and I haven't even mentioned the younger generation which are all on the come up.

Ayan Hirsi one of the last Somali people I'd want to claim. She literally made money from lying about her culture, ex-husband, parents and religion. In the end she was booted out of the Dutch parliament after an embarrassing scandal. The US media completely hide this from the public whilst parading her around as a voice against Islam. They'll spit her out once they're done with her, just like the Dutch before them.

"Khat" - this is a drug used throughout the horn of Africa and some parts of Arabia. Yemenis are an even bigger Khat-consuming nation.
"FGM is exclusive to Somalis" - False FGM is practised among your West African people too, it is practised both north and west of Nigeria, all the way to the Senegambia region. This ancient practice is outlawed in Somalia, but may still be practised in the rural regions of East Africa where Somalis are not the only ones doing it.
"Polygamy" - You must be extremely ignorant to think that Somalis are the only Africans to practise polygamy. Almost all of Sub Saharan Africa does this, even the fully Christian nations in southern Africa.
"Somali cuisine is not known" - If where you're from has a huge Somali population, specifically London, Minnesota, Seattle, Ohio or Toronto, then you're deliberately ignoring Somali restaurants. One of the restaurants in Minneapolis even has the mayor visiting on a regular basis and has been awarded and mentioned on Minnesota state channels multiple times - look up Afro Deli.

Miss pretend-European, it's not rocket science to see that you're an angry West African. It's intriguing how you know about khat and FGM, but don't know even more simpler things. Alas, I totally agree with you though, the trolls are damaging our already bad image and if you read through this thread you will have seen that the original poster has already been called out for his stupidity. That is probably why he's not posting anymore.

To preserve the civil discussion we're having on this thread, I won't give a reply to the rest of your post. I don't want to get sucked into silly arguments like that, they only lead to insults and pettiness.

Yes, I agree. It's a misconception to think Somalis haven't accomplished much. I mean the negative news you hear everyday often clouds over the positivity. I can sit hear and repeat that Africa is a poverty stricken hopeless continent, and completely ignore the fact that most of the fastest growing economies in the world are in Africa. I can also sit here and focus on political instability in Somalia and ignore the government's progress over the years. It's simply ignorance.

9jakool:


I haven't researched such evidence. Is it commonly accepted or is it just a speculation? I would love to see such theory.

If we use that logic, then the original Chinese or Europeans were black. You can say the precursor to Arabs were black, but at the time Arabs started calling themselves Arab however many centuries ago, you can't definitely say they were black. They could be very well, but again that's just speculation.

Actually that specific admixture you speak off was relatively small and it was mostly with the Semitic speaking honers. It's negligible with Cushtic, Omotic, and Nilotic speakers.

It isn't commonly accepted, but it's becoming popular.

When I say the original Arab were Black, I mean after the Arab identity started and their blackness weren't very black.

The admixture I'm talking about was the intermingling that happened in Yemen by Yemeni and Horners (not Horn area).

Hirad:


I've already answered this.

Fair enough. Somali traditional titles/government is "extended family" based and resemble the majority of Black, Equatorial Africa... the traditional sciences.
Traditional basis is what we all have in common and should be researched and expanded upon. just my opinion. Peace.

It's funny how the definition of black varies from one place to another.
In America, when they had the despicable racist segregation era and Jim Crow laws, there was this "one drop rule" where you were considered black if you had one drop of black blood. Even if you were mostly white with 1/8 black ancestry, you were considered black. This is still the case, people who hardly look African identify as black (lok at Halle Berry for example.) But mixed race people are classified as colored in South Africa. My West African friends called them half-cast. Somalis and Ethiopians are distinct ethnicities, educated non-Africans know the Horn people are separate ethnicities from subsaharan Africans. Learned non-black people also know Khoisan people of South Africa aren't exactly black, either, but a separate race.

Just like the Asians: Chinese, Japanese, Koreans are different from Southeast Asians like Thai, Filipino, Laotian etc. They are all called "Asian" but separate ethnicities. Mongolian is nothing like Japanese so one has to be ignorant to see the Somalis and Ethipioans the same as black African.
An albino Ethiopian can't be distinguished from albino Europeans.

When you learn enough, you see the black Africans have different ethnicities and phenotypes. Fulani people look different from the other blacks, they look nothing like the typical subsaharan Africans we see around. I think westerners also know south Sudanese people are different from the other black Africans, with their extreme melanin and extraordinary tall physique.

revontuli:
It's funny how the definition of black varies from one place to another.
In America, when they had the despicable racist segregation era and Jim Crow laws, there was this "one drop rule" where you were considered black if you had one drop of black blood. Even if you were mostly white with 1/8 black ancestry, you were considered black. This is still the case, people who hardly look African identify as black (lok at Halle Berry for example.) But mixed race people are classified as colored in South Africa. My West African friends called them half-cast. Somalis and Ethiopians are distinct ethnicities, educated non-Africans know the Horn people are separate ethnicities from subsaharan Africans. Learned non-black people also know Khoisan people of South Africa aren't exactly black, either, but a separate race.

Just like the Asians: Chinese, Japanese, Koreans are different from Southeast Asians like Thai, Filipino, Laotian etc. They are all called "Asian" but separate ethnicities. Mongolian is nothing like Japanese so one has to be ignorant to see the Somalis and Ethipioans the same as black African.
An albino Ethiopian can't be distinguished from albino Europeans.

When you learn enough, you see the black Africans have different ethnicities and phenotypes. Fulani people look different from the other blacks, they look nothing like the typical subsaharan Africans we see around. I think westerners also know south Sudanese people are different from the other black Africans, with their extreme melanin and extraordinary tall physique.

Why beating round the bush on racist when is simply simple fand logical is two race in this world the black race and the white race all others fall under both race take example north Africa egypt nd morroco they all white white features when you want to identify them you identify them as africans but fall under the Caucasian race .and also the negros in Australia are classified as blacks even they are the original inhabitants of Australians
so with this pattern you should know where youre pple fall on ...note every human has a unique features the indians are different from the europeans even the europeans have some with blonde and some wirh black hair but they all are still classify under the Caucasoid race ..same the horners will all be classified under the black race the thier white horners classify them as Caucasian simple

gregyboy:



Why beating round the bush on racist when is simply simple fand logical is two race in this world the black race and the white race all others fall under both race take example north Africa egypt nd morroco they all white white features when you want to identify them you identify them as africans but fall under the Caucasian race .and also the negros in Australia are classified as blacks even they are the original inhabitants of Australians
so with this pattern you should know where youre pple fall on ...note every human has a unique features the indians are different from the europeans even the europeans have some with blonde and some wirh black hair but they all are still classify under the Caucasoid race ..same the horners will all be classified under the black race the thier white horners classify them as Caucasian simple

Humans are so diverse, it's hard to draw race lines in places on trade routes cause people have been mixing since antiquity. There are Moroccan Berbers who look like Europeans and there are South Italians and Greeks who look lie Arabs. Some of the Uighurs in China look Caucasian, some have Chinese features. Hard to classify people like the Horners and Uighurs into any one race.

We are all human race anyway.

Hirad:


You would think so, but DNA results show that it is the opposite actually. Also the ancient Nilotes looked nothing like the Nilotes of today. Their appearance has changed due to admixture. Human genetics is an intriguing puzzle my friend, it is hard to grasp sometimes and anthropologists are still flabbergasted by human admixture and migration patterns till today.

I based my assumption of Ethiosemitic speakers being migrants on their language and their back migration into the horn of Africa. Fair point that the majority of them are just Semitic-speaking Cushites, but I was only commenting on their back migration.

Proto-Semitic originated in NE Africa and Ethiosemitic was driven from a separate Porto Semitic. The other proto-Semitic speakers then migrated to Middle East and their language became the base for non African Semitic languages like Hebrew, Arabic,..... This is why Ethiosemitic is be divergent from Middle East Semitic languages and the early Ethiosemitic speakers weren native to Ethiopia and distinct from their fellow Cushite. Ethiosemitic language are the most diversified Semitic languages and came first from non African Semitic language. The reason why Ethiosemitic speakers are very related with Cushite is because:
- Ethiosemitic assimilated many Cushite and,
- Ethiosemitic and Cushite originated from common ancestry (Afroasiatic).

AfriRenaissance:
I said those men were Beja, not Somali. In regards to your photos,some of them look heavily mixed with middle eastern people. I understand you want to be "Pure" Somali, but such a thing doesn't exist anymore. Thanks to Islam and Arab Imperialism. You were Muslim before Arabs? Ok True, did you know grass comes before earth?

https://mathildasanthropologyblog./2008/07/30/somali-y-chromosome-study/

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2011/06/a-genomic-sketch-of-the-horn-of-africa/#.WpthnHxG11s

Go through those links. You are not only mixed with Arab, but Somali Y-chromosome (The chromosome passed from Father to Son) s 40% Eurasian (Middle East + Neighboring Areas) You also have DNA from those Migrating from Upper Egypt. I told you you're mixed, DNA doesn't lie. Somalia its current form is not what it was in the past during medieval times. There were different kingdoms and empires, for example Ajuran Sultante and the Kingdom of Adal. Ajuran was Somali, but Adal was heavily populated by Arabs.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ajuran_Sultanate#Muslim_migration

Go through it, have a field day - it's interesting stuff. However it''s also interesting to see that without your "mamlukes" and Ottoman assistance you couldn't defeat the Oromo and Portuguese. Uf you are so bold and strong as Somali's why did you need that kind of help? Also, if you are so great now why is your country riddled with strife? Please don't come on here beating your chest, cause Somali is definitely not the best place to be right now.

Ancestry.com has the smallest database of African lineages LOL so testing with them won't tell you shit. Sheesh you're a genetics noob. You either need to test with a company that has a larger database of African samples or commission a scientific research team to do it. I'm assuming the latter is impossible for you - no offense, but if you're on here creating topics like this I doubt you're scholarly and thorough enough to pull something like that off.

Also, Somali people are not homogeneous anymore. Due to all of the mixing that has occurred some of them have varying amounts of African, Arab, and European in them. Not to mention Indian. That being said, you are hella mixed dude. Do you know what you aren't though? You aint shit

I'm Southern Cushite. Our people are indigenous to Kenya, Uganda, Tanzania. Many of us still have same features as Cushites in the Horn. Rarely have we made contact with arabs. They are comparatively shorter than us with bigger bodies.
A mix between Bantu and Arab can be seen in the Swahili. Those admixed Swahili are also look very different from us.
Our language is almost completely different from Semitic languages.
Arabs never ever succeeded in conquering this region and none of them can marry our women till today.

Why don't you say arabs got our features? Why does it always have to come from a lighter person to a darker person? That is colonial bullshit. The theory that led to the Rwanda genocide. Cushites are unique in our own way. I can trace my lineage thousands yrs back.
Even the Berber "hamites" of North Africa are separate from Arabs