TheLoneCitizen:



I don't see why we keep castigating these young men. Put yourself in their shoes, would you put Harvard University over UNILAG, we should be very satisfied at being 2nd choices. Everyone wants to thrive at the highest level.

funny nonsensical statement because representing a nation is different from club footbal

Martz101:


Do you know Aluko you have been clamouring for is 29 and also helped Hull city to premiership but was release immediately by hull.

If Aluko was that wonderful why didn't they hold him on with a contract

#hypocrite

MISINFORMATION

Aluko played with Hull in the EPL.

He didn't like the style of play and went to Fulham although in the championship a much bigger club with more money.

The lure of more money took him from Fulham to Reading unfortunately Reading have lost thier way multiple management changes have not helped.

tbaba1234:


By last Summer, we already had Idowu, Aina and Ebuehi. Yes, Iorfa is available for selection but there is no vacancy at right back.

Iorfa is not primarily a CB. Yes he plays there but that is not his primarily role. It is not a surprise that the coach did not look his way in his search for CBs.

Players who are good will play two positions very well at least.

That's why I gave the example of Yobo

kentebemoney:
Against Serbia 4-1-4-1

Uzoho
Tyrone Ekong Balogun idowu
John ogu
S. moses-ndidi-joel-v.moses
Ighalo

Nice one but Simeon plays from the left while V.Moses plays from the right like he usually does and also did against Poland.

asha80:
funny nonsensical statement because representing a nation is different from club footbal

What club level, mate? I never mentioned club football.

Paid poster.

Truidstar:


Apart from work permit issues you forgot age related issues. Are you looking forward or backwards? Are you a confusionist in disguise? Or a paid poster?

TheLoneCitizen:



I don't see why we keep castigating these young men. Put yourself in their shoes, would you put Harvard University over UNILAG, we should be very satisfied at being 2nd choices. Everyone wants to thrive at the highest level.

TheLoneCitizen:



What club level, mate? I never mentioned club football.

thriving at the highest level has nothing to do with the national team you play with so the issue of using unilag and Harvard in that analogy does not arise...also 'being very satisfied at being 2nd choices' is a funny statement that arises from inferiority complex

TheLoneCitizen:



I don't see why we keep castigating these young men. Put yourself in their shoes, would you put Harvard University over UNILAG, we should be very satisfied at being 2nd choices. Everyone wants to thrive at the highest level.

You won't see me castigating these young boys. Matter of fact, I have always maintained that we'll be the 2nd option for most of these foreign lads, especially as most of them have close ties to those foreign countries than with Nigeria, that is very much understandable.

What I'm against, however, is komekn and others making it sound like we never made any attempt at iorfa and that he is being exempted from the national team due to corruption and other malpractice.

I'm all for actions and consequences. when you make a decision in life, be man enough to face the consequences of your actions, do not blame others.
Iorfa wasn't straight with us, tammy embarrassed us. These actions have consequences and they should face them. Even in Education, not all universities accept 2nd choice candidates.

asha80:


thriving at the highest level has nothing to do with the national team you play with so the issue of using unilag and Harvard in that analogy does not arise...also 'being very satisfied at being 2nd choices' is a funny statement that arises from inferiority complex

Give me your honest opinion on this. You were born in Kenya, you came to Nigeria to ply football in the NPFL. After attaining great heights Nigeria doesn't call you up, but Kenya comes, what will you do? For there is a difference between patriotism and greener pastures.

Why are u the only one who calls him Tega on this thread?

komekn:


When Tega ripped the championship last season, how many EPL teams were queuing up to sign him.

Is that not an indictment you helped a club to get to the EPL and they didn't break the bank to sign you but let you go. How many EPL clubs were waiting to sign him after his outstanding performance.

How many MOTM awards did he win in the Championship

I do not know Onazi but do you And is that what he told you You are being presumptuous to a fault

These are old players on the wrong side of 30 you and have seen thier best days behind them taking an easy ride in a far less competitive league that you have in Turkey.

This is laughable Pepe is 35 so also or thereabouts are Robihno and Quaresma or maybe you deh joke.

komekn:


Professional career progression and choosing your national team are not the same thing. They are miles apart so using that comparison is simply not tenable.

Can I ask how many overtures where made to Jordan Torunarigha past, present and continuous using the supposed standard you have made.

Double standard.

National team participation is part of professional career progression, so they are one and the same.

I don't know why NFF went back for Torunarigha, his position on the issue has been straight from the beginning.

That is the difference between these English kids and Germans. While the Germans tell you straight up that they are waiting on Germany, the English kids will lead you on, give you hope and then embarrass you. Tammy has done it, Jordan has done it. Iorfa was doing the same until he realized he didn't have a future with the 3lions.

SerVik:

You won't see me castigating these young boys. Matter of fact, I have always maintained that we'll be the 2nd option for most of these foreign lads, especially as most of them have close ties to those foreign countries than with Nigeria, that is very much understandable.

What I'm against, however, is komekn and others making it sound like we never made any attempt at iorfa and that he is being exempted from the national team due to corruption and other malpractice.

I'm all for actions and consequences. when you make a decision in life, be man enough to face the consequences of your actions, do not blame others.
Iorfa wasn't straight with us, tammy embarrassed us. These actions have consequences and they should face them. Even in Education, not all universities accept 2nd choice candidates.

the issue is this there is a serious crises in the way we run football at home that is why it is like we go cap in hand to beg FB to play for us(especially those who do not have affinity for nigeria except their surname)..i do not see brazillians crying about thiago alcantara(whose father was a bonafide ex brazillian international) opting to play for spain for he grew up there.

komekn:


MISINFORMATION

Aluko played with Hull in the EPL.

He didn't like the style of play and went to Fulham although in the championship a much bigger club with more money.

The lure of more money took him from Fulham to Reading unfortunately Reading have lost thier way multiple management changes have not helped.

you lie so much, Aluko was release after the summer the got promotion to premiership, he was not sold to Fulham but Fulham got him on a free, one thing about liars is that they always need another lie to cover up for the previous lie

komekn:


MISINFORMATION

Aluko played with Hull in the EPL.

He didn't like the style of play and went to Fulham although in the championship a much bigger club with more money.

The lure of more money took him from Fulham to Reading unfortunately Reading have lost thier way multiple management changes have not helped.

It's bizarre you keep mentioning Aluko, go check his files, he was part of success story of hull city coming to EPL, but what happened..? They dropped him, he went to Fulham, what happened again? He was dropped... Now plays for Bolton or even reading.... If he was that good you claim, many clubs should have been coming for him..
Good players even expecting to SE after world Cup are the likes of young and skillful Kalu and Esiti of Gent... Not Aluko.. He has tried

TheLoneCitizen:



Give me your honest opinion on this. You were born in Kenya, you came to Nigeria to ply football in the NPFL. After attaining great heights Nigeria doesn't call you up, but Kenya comes, what will you do? For there is a difference between patriotism and greener pastures.

greener pasture relates more with club football(you live enyimba to play for ajax because of bigger pay) and not really national team football(it comes from the heart eg giggs opted for wales rather than a bigger england)

It will soon "dive-nosed"

Martz101:


So why didn't iwobi and Moses market value drop?

asha80:
the issue is this there is a serious crises in the way we run football at home that is why it is like we go cap in hand to beg FB to play for us(especially those who do not have affinity for nigeria except their surname)..i do not see brazillians crying about thiago alcantara(whose father was a bonafide ex brazillian international) opting to play for spain for he grew up there.

That is why we must stand firmly against what this current u20 coach is doing. If we take over aged players as our u20, a time will come when we'll need them to step into the SE, at that point, they'll be very old and won't be able to carry the burden of our national team. That is what we faced when players like kanu and okocha retired.

If we do not fix this, they'll be a huge gap in the future.

Humility017:


had it been kelechi have a British passport probably he would have been in championship playing.

and relating to kelechi nwakali invitation...that should be after the world cup because I see him as one who will eventually take over from mikel....I even told safarigirl the possibility of onomah stepping in should him accept play fr nigeria.

mind you if nwakali gets invited now...I don't mind...but I don't think that is possible.

if you've have a problem with that...that's shouldn't be my concern......you can keep chanting for Abdul ajagun, Martins and aluko invitation....but i am free to state my view...and I have reasons to back it up....


the difference between me...and you and also your British mate...is that even when the player I craved for is never invited I don't blame anyone for that...not even the coach, I don't go blame the nff politics or call the super eagles a cult group...
i support the team regardless of who gets invited....I get to know about players...prior i start call for reason for their invitation...and lots more...
so I am not an hypocrite...
if you must define who an hypocrite is...you will know better from the bolded.

How is Kelechi Nwakali who was not good enough to play in the Eredivise as at today play in the Championship?

Kelechi Nwakali is currently playing in the Jupiler league which is the second division of the Eredivise but he is not pulling strings there as we speak.

The league he is currently playing is not in the standard of league two in England not to talk of league one.

He doesn't not deserve to to wear the shoes of Mikel Obi as we speak now. That's an insult upon injury.

I am not putting him down but I am stating the fact that as it stands he doesn't in anyway deserves to be called to the national team ahead of better players in better leagues.

He needs to prove himself in that lowly and move to a better league where he must also prove himself there to attract the attention of fans and the coaching crew.

Anything otherwise breeds mediocre and that ridicules and bastardise the reward for excellence. It's corruption.

Now, this is what I call being objective and not being subjective in reasoning.

Therefore, I am of the view that everyone be left at his own liberty to state his opinion without attacking the persons personality.

Now, if you think the bolded should be the norms then why are you pointing accusing fingers at Komekn for stating his own opinion? Is that not double standard?

Anyone, at the corridor of power and benefiting from the larges from illicit and shady deals will not criticize, accuse or blame the Government of the day. To such person the government is right and spot on.

Does that means the government is not corrupt and should be absolve from scrutinuty, crititism and accountabilty?

If you have blamed, critizied, accused, demented etc any past or present President of the Federal Republic of Nigeria for corruption, nepotism, sectionalism, or if you have at anytime called any former or current president of Nigeria corrupt, bias and sectional in appointment of government officials, what makes you different from others blaming the selection of players players, coaches and NFF politics?

Are the coaches and NFF board members, in your own estimation superior to the President of Nigeria hence be absolved from any blame?

If you have at anytime or in anyway guilty of these, then are you not guilty of the same accusations you are pointing fingers at others?

I think this is the height of hypocrisy.

Joebie:
It will soon "dive-nosed"

Uzoho looking his age with hair/beard cut.

asha80:
greener pasture relates more with club football(you live enyimba to play for ajax because of bigger pay) and not really national team football(it comes from the heart eg giggs opted for wales rather than a bigger england)

Greener pastures comes in the case of national football when a specific country gives you better opportunities. I find it hard to conceive that someone who migrated to the UK at age 6, will opt to play for Nigeria over England without a third party intervention.


I'm not against my country, but I put myself in the position of these young men and realize I would make a decision not far from theirs. It still boils down to the fact that the devil you know, who might never give you a chance is better than an unknown angel, with open arms.

tbaba1234:


I want us to play with a team that can win the game.

Exactly. Rohr should start experimenting in the second half when we might have been leading, when some of the starting players are not doing well or when a player is fatigued.

Balogun and Ekong's partnership should continue to blend the more.

Ebuehi should get a chance to confirm his importance to the team going to
the World cup.

Joel Obi should get another chance to prove his capability as our AM/CM after Mikel.

Same as Idowu at the LB position


And Ighalo should get another chance from the start. He's our number one striker. ( I think the 4-1-4-1 suits him
as Joel and Ndidi will be playing behind him.

Ogu at DM is a good idea. Ndid should support him .

SerVik:

That is why we must stand firmly against what this current u20 coach is doing. If we take over aged players as our u20, a time will come when we'll need them to step into the SE, at that point, they'll be very old and won't be able to carry the burden of our national team. That is what we faced when players like kanu and okocha retired.

If we do not fix this, they'll be a huge gap in the future.

my stomach turned when i saw those pics of those guys and the expose tbaba did on of them

MetalJigsaw:
Almost all the home teams got last minute penalties. That's what he's saying

Actually it was 3 teams but I am not condoning this I'm just saying it does happen. The replays will be out so lets just wait.

Also tbh some away teams deserve those calls because when they score instead of playing football they start time wasting. Some clubs start during the first half and that is not football

TheLoneCitizen:



Greener pastures comes in the case of national football when a specific country gives you better opportunies. I find it hard to conceive that someone who migrated to the UK at age 6, will opt to play for Nigeria over England without a third party intervention.


I'm not against my country, but I put myself in the position of these young men and realize I would make a decision not far from theirs. It still boils down to the fact that the devil you know, who might never give you a chance is better than an unknown angel, with open arms.

if that is the case then they should choose those countries upfront and not waffle about it and live with it..it is that simple.

you might also need to define opportunities here because just because you have committed for England is no guarantee they will take you to an euro or a world cup let alone winning it

tbaba1234:
Uzoho looking his age with hair/beard cut.

looks like taribo west here

komekn:


MISINFORMATION

Aluko played with Hull in the EPL.

He didn't like the style of play and went to Fulham although in the championship a much bigger club with more money.

The lure of more money took him from Fulham to Reading unfortunately Reading have lost thier way multiple management changes have not helped.

Aluko did not play with hull in the premier league,please get your facts right

tbaba1234:
Uzoho looking his age with hair/beard cut.

Clean cut to go along with his clean sheet

asha80:


if that is the case then they should choose those countries upfront and not waffle about it and live with it..it is that simple.

you might also need to define opportunities here because just because you have committed for England is no guarantee they will take you to an euro or a world cup let alone winning it

Opportunities draft into club level cause being an English international gives you better chances rather than an INFERIOR country. Alex Ferguson, for instance, refused to sign African players. It's a no-brainer to me, it's not even arguable.

TheLoneCitizen:



Opportunities draft into club level cause being an English international gives you better chances rather than an INFERIOR country. Alex Ferguson, for instance, refused to sign African players. It's a no-brainer to me, it's not even arguable.

dwight yorke?ferguson had his preferences no doubt as a human same way wenger no care about your nationality as far as you can deliver..mourinho you could argue leans more towards black players(european of african no difference)..if you are good you are good simple

andrew444:


Aluko did not play with hull in the premier league,please get your facts right

He played with Hull in the premier league

Danielnino00:



Egbon,there is no double standard anywhere.. the German boys are just being more frank with us than the Queens boys... Don't forget that Rohr has already meet with some British born Nigerian player who are willing to represent us and I'm sure they have been given an assurance of a call up soon.... as for Torunarigha snubbing us,I personally don't have a problem with it since he was frank with us unlike what Tammy,Nedum Onuoha,Ibe and Agbonlahor did....

My chairman you are not getting my point.

OK tell me the difference between the German guys like Patrick Owomoyela,Dennis Aogo,Sidney Samuel and English guys like Onuoha,Agbonlahor,pls tell me cos they all rejected Nigeria with the same attitude.

I think Amaju went too far on Tammy,hope you know Rohr too went personally to watch Akpoguma live or you are not aware.

What is the difference between Uduokhai and Ibe statement towards Nigeria.

Really surprised that we are now trying to differentiate German boys from UK boys.

How many German guys have showed commitment except Leon Balogun and may be Maduka and tell me how many English boys.

OK let me tell you English guys who have played for Nigeria,hope you know Tunji Banjo of great 1980 team,John Chiedozie in the 80s,Reuben Agboola,Efan Ekoku in the 90s,John Shiitth,Dickson Etuhu,Sone Aluko,Hope Akpan,Efe and Sam Sodje,Abbey George, Victor Moses,Alex Iwobi and now Ola Aina.

Only Leon among German guys,the rest like Uduokhai, Akpoguma even a WC slot given by NFF or Rohr was rejected by Torunarigha and this is not insult abi.

Imagine someone trying to downplay Aluko picking Nigeria over England during U 20 days,no let just say it the way it should be and better for the thread.

It was on this thread they are trying to rubbish Kenneth Otigba who rejected Hungary euro team waiting for Nigeria call endlessly till he later opted for Hungary.

I have said it some comments centred around personal issue and am not for that but to talk football if Rohr like he should bring players from NPFL,no issue,results is the main thing and Rohr is doing well,hope to see him shaking the world at Russia 2018.