asha80:
funny nonsensical statement because representing a nation is different from club footbal

Actually the statement is not nonsensical in the slightest. But substantive in understanding the dynamics of national team allegiance and the impact on football club career progression.

National team allegiance impacts very heavily particularly at the early stages of your career on your market value and your contract opportunities.

For example Ryan Ssegnon is a LB for Fulham fc he started playing for the first team at age 16 in 2016. I spoke to the HOD recruitment at the time, this was October 2016 and Fulham were playing Blackburn. They had placed a value of £25 million in Ryan , I thought he was crazy at the time.

That value was impacted very positively because he was an England youth international. Furthermore all the top clubs in the EPL are looking for top English talent. Primarily because the top tramse in the EPL struggle to have 3/4 Engliish players as regulars in thier teams.

This further increases value. As a future England international the potential for marketing is simply massive. But one that's earmarked already for greatness. Immediately Nike and Adidas want to give you tens of millions to market thier boots. Ryan Ssegnon will DEFINITELY play for England soon and very soon.

Last summer Liverpool put in a bid for Ryan Ssegnon of £30 million. Fulham refused they want more and they will get more. It seems ludicrous but the most expensive left back in England plays for Fulham in the Championship and he is a teenager.

Now considering all these stupendously huge sums of money being banded about. Then change the dimensions let him say he pledges allegiance to Jamaica. Would you call that wisdom


All those £££millions well the larger part of them will turn to smoke and dissappear into thin air.



So when Dominic Iorfa says wait till I'm 23 he is trying to use his England youth international value to leverage his career before he pledges allegiance to Nigeria. He did that with a loan move to Ipswich in the summer and then made his commitment.

tbaba1234:


He played with Hull in the premier league

How many games,when they gained promotion he was out,so when did he play?

Aluko left hull on the 2nd of june 2016 which the premier league season is yet to start,was hull in the premier league 2015?

komekn:



Actually the statement is not nonsensical in the slightest. But substantive in understanding the dynamics of national team allegiance and the impact on football club career progression.

National team allegiance impacts very heavily particularly at the early stages of your career on your market value and your contract opportunities.

For example Ryan Ssegnon is a LB for Fulham fc he started playing for the first team at age 16 in 2016. I spoke to the HOD recruitment at the time, this was October 2016 and Fulham were playing Blackburn. They had placed a value of £25 million in Ryan , I thought he was crazy at the time.

That value was impacted very positively because he was an England youth international. Furthermore all the top clubs in the EPL are looking for top English talent. Primarily because the top tramse in the EPL struggle to have 3/4 Engliish players as regulars in thier teams.

This further increases value. As a future England international the potential for marketing is simply massive. But one that's earmarked already for greatness. Immediately Nike and Adidas want to give you tens of millions to market thier boots. Ryan Ssegnon will DEFINITELY play for England soon and very soon.

Last summer Liverpool put in a bid for Ryan Ssegnon of £30 million. Fulham refused they want more and they will get more. It seems ludicrous but the most expensive left back in England plays for Fulham in the Championship and he is a teenager.

Now considering all these stupendously huge sums of money being banded about. Then change the dimensions let him say he pledges allegiance to Jamaica. Would you call that wisdom


All those £££millions well the larger part of them will turn to smoke and dissappear into thin air.



So when Dominic Iorfa says wait till I'm 23 he is trying to use his England youth international value to leverage his career before he pledges allegiance to Nigeria. He did that with a loan move to Ipswich in the summer and then made his commitment.

having read all you wrote here then why do they often waffle about which country to play for?it should be straighforward to choose then one that seems to give more opportunity of making those pounds isnt it?

Mujtahida:

Ekong and Victor Moses should rest ooo. Let Omeruo take Ekong's place and Simon Moses or Musa should take Moses place

You don't change the whole lineup in the name of testing new players. The second half is there to inject/introduce new players

tbaba1234:
Uzoho looking his age with hair/beard cut.

Sir,one thing is certain Uzoho is a young chap but 19 is up for debate.

kentebemoney:
Against Serbia 4-1-4-1

Uzoho
Tyrone Ekong Balogun idowu
John ogu
S. moses-ndidi-joel-v.moses
Ighalo

This looks good.

But i have a question. Can ighalo play effectively as a lone striker without a partner?

andrew444:


How many games,when they gained promotion he was out,so when did he play?

Aluko left hull on the 2nd of june 2016 which the premier league season is yet to start,was hull in the premier league 2015?

Hull city was in premiership 2013-2015 and Aluko played with the team at that period

In as much as I want us to win our game against Serbia tomorrow, I would also advise us to be humble and focused going forward. COLOMBIA comes to mind. Prior to the 1994 world cup, Colombia breezed through the qualifiers, beating Brazil and humiliating Argentina on the way. In friendly matches before the world cup they beat Germany and Italy I think. They were the book makers favorites to win the 1994 world cup. Cocaine barons bet millions of dollars via betting syndicates on Colombia to win the World cup. GUESS WHAT? THEY DID NOT MAKE IT OUT OF THE GROUP STAGE. They were over confident. Let's learn a lesson from this.

Humility017:


Lol...just read what you wrote....
you know what brother...you cannot hide talent...anyday anytime...
if he was that good...clubs in the epl would have noticed him even elsewhere...in Europe...

so try spare us that you wrote up there...

so because he choosed play for Nigeria...clubs in the epl refused look his way....why didn't that happen to Moses, iwobi and the rest....?

Who told you clubs in the EPL or elsewhere in Europe didn't want to sign him?

If he was not that good why did he sign for Rangers? Was Rangers a based club?

Iwobi is a bonafied beneficiary of playing for Nigeria. Why? Because he is playing regularly for the National team.

But Sone Aluko case is different, he is not considered a national team player because he is not playing regularly for the team.

At his prime, Ezeonyi was called to play in the SE ahead of Sone Aluko who was at that time shined with Rangers and Hull-city-afc.

darkelf:


This looks good.

But i have a question. Can ighalo play effectively as a lone striker without a partner?

This is not a matter of partnership. There was no creative midfielder to feed Ighalo with the passes he requires as a CF. Iheanacho tthat was given the job failed to connect with Ighalo.

Iheanacho rwlly flopped in that match. Though he charged at the defenders but that isn't enough. He didn't perform his primary function. His problem is that he doesn't know how to dribble and get past defenders.

Truidstar:
In as much as I want us to win our game against Serbia tomorrow, I would also advise us to be humble and focused going forward. COLOMBIA comes to mind. Prior to the 1994 world cup, Colombia breezed through the qualifiers, beating Brazil and humiliating Argentina on the way. In friendly matches before the world cup they beat Germany and Italy I think. They were the book makers favorites to win the 1994 world cup. Cocaine barons bet millions of dollars via betting syndicates on Colombia to win the World cup. GUESS WHAT? THEY DID NOT MAKE IT OUT OF THE GROUP STAGE. They were over confident. Let's learn a lesson from this.

they didnt beat brazil as they were not in the same group(back then the countries in south america were grouped into two)...i agree with your post

andrew444:


How many games,when they gained promotion he was out,so when did he play?

Aluko left hull on the 2nd of june 2016 which the premier league season is yet to start,was hull in the premier league 2015?

He played in the premier league in the 2013–14 season.

Truidstar:
In as much as I want us to win our game against Serbia tomorrow, I would also advise us to be humble and focused going forward. COLOMBIA comes to mind. Prior to the 1994 world cup, Colombia breezed through the qualifiers, beating Brazil and humiliating Argentina on the way. In friendly matches before the world cup they beat Germany and Italy I think. They were the book makers favorites to win the 1994 world cup. Cocaine barons bet millions of dollars via betting syndicates on Colombia to win the World cup. GUESS WHAT? THEY DID NOT MAKE IT OUT OF THE GROUP STAGE. They were over confident. Let's learn a lesson from this.

Escobar was murdered when he got home... i think, with Rohr, the players will remain focused.

Truidstar:
In as much as I want us to win our game against Serbia tomorrow, I would also advise us to be humble and focused going forward. COLOMBIA comes to mind. Prior to the 1994 world cup, Colombia breezed through the qualifiers, beating Brazil and humiliating Argentina on the way. In friendly matches before the world cup they beat Germany and Italy I think. They were the book makers favorites to win the 1994 world cup. Cocaine barons bet millions of dollars via betting syndicates on Colombia to win the World cup. GUESS WHAT? THEY DID NOT MAKE IT OUT OF THE GROUP STAGE. They were over confident. Let's learn a lesson from this.

Bro, you're over-right.

Was about to type something similar.

It is actually one of my major fears concerning the team (after the seeming absence of a second befitting AM like Mikel)

Although, I feel Rohr is aware, hence the direction of his utterance in the media (down playing our chances and all).

I quite agree, 19 is truly not his real age.
Uzoho at 19? lol.

As I re-watched the Poland game all I could say was Moses us a catalyst. A potential game changer in Russia alongside Mikel.

MetalJigsaw:
This is not a matter of partnership. There was no creative midfielder to feed Ighalo with the passes he requires as a CF. Iheanacho tthat was given the job failed to connect with Ighalo.

Iheanacho rwlly flopped in that match. Though he charged at the defenders but that isn't enough. He didn't perform his primary function. His problem is that he doesn't know how to dribble and get past defenders.

Thanks for the enlightenment bro. Duly appreciated.

At the bolded, I noticed the same thing in the match against Poland

As I re-watched the Poland game all I could say was Moses is a catalyst. A potential game changer in Russia alongside Mikel.

Kog45:
My chairman you are not getting my point.

OK tell me the difference between the German guys like Patrick Owomoyela,Dennis Aogo,Sidney Samuel and English guys like Onuoha,Agbonlahor,pls tell me cos they all rejected Nigeria with the same attitude.

I think Amaju went too far on Tammy,hope you know Rohr too went personally to watch Akpoguma live or you are not aware.

What is the difference between Uduokhai and Ibe statement towards Nigeria.

Really surprised that we are now trying to differentiate German boys from UK boys.

How many German guys have showed commitment except Leon Balogun and may be Maduka and tell me how many English boys.

OK let me tell you English guys who have played for Nigeria,hope you know Tunji Banjo of great 1980 team,John Chiedozie in the 80s,Reuben Agboola,Efan Ekoku in the 90s,John Shiitth,Dickson Etuhu,Sone Aluko,Hope Akpan,Efe and Sam Sodje,Abbey George, Victor Moses,Alex Iwobi and now Ola Aina.

Only Leon among German guys,the rest like Uduokhai, Akpoguma even a WC slot given by NFF or Rohr was rejected by Torunarigha and this is not insult abi.

Imagine someone trying to downplay Aluko picking Nigeria over England during U 20 days,no let just say it the way it should be and better for the thread.

It was on this thread they are trying to rubbish Kenneth Otigba who rejected Hungary euro team waiting for Nigeria call endlessly till he later opted for Hungary.

I have said it some comments centred around personal issue and am not for that but to talk football if Rohr like he should bring players from NPFL,no issue,results is the main thing and Rohr is doing well,hope to see him shaking the world at Russia 2018.

Oga mi .. I get ur point... But maybe Rohr just prefer the German boys to the British.. However, I don't think there is any double standard in the selection cus so far all the FB in the team have done well to merit their place .. Maybe its the manner in which people on this thread bash the British born than the Germans that worry u....

That being said,let the relevant authorities do what they can to put our grassroot football in order so we won't become too dependent on the FBs

tbaba1234:


He played in the premier league in the 2013–14 season.

Okay now i believe you seems its that season

opes:


Hull city was in premiership 2013-2015 and Aluko played with the team at that period

That's true I just take note of that

asha80:
they didnt beat brazil as they were not in the same group(back then the countries in south america were grouped into two)...i agree with your post

Thanks for the correction, they beat Brazil in a friendly not the qualifiers.

darkelf:


Thanks for the enlightenment bro. Duly appreciated.

At the bolded, I noticed the same thing in the match against Poland

Just look at V. Moses... his dazzling runs and the way he was dribbling the defenders almost with ease. If Iheanacho can do even half of that from the middle we would have scored goals in that match., and Ighalo would have much of the ball and get chances to score because he was really hungry for the ball. which never came.

Its not a surprise that Moses won a penalty, because his zig-zag moves unsettled the defenders and caused them to make mistakes under the pressure.

andrew444:


That's true I just take note of that

Lovely,what a great discourse between tbaba1234,opes and andrew444 on Sone Aluko EPL appearance with Hull City.

This what am always talking about let's brainstorm so that we can learn

tbaba1234:
Uzoho looking his age with hair/beard cut.

I don't like towing this part sha but damn, 19years? come on!!!

daveP:
I quite agree, 19 is truly not his real age.

Uzoho at 19? lol.

the thing tire me oh. Make I go find my birth certificate first, seems there was a mistake somewhere

Kog45:
Lovely,what a great discourse between tbaba1234,opes and andrew444 on Sone Aluko EPL appearance with Hull City.

This what am always talking about let's brainstorm so that we can kearn

Yes everybody is learning.

You see as I cool down because I am not so sure of what I am saying by saying Aluko has not played in the premier league,but the one wey I dey sure of info argue like LION

some Liverpool fans dream for next season

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tbaba1234:
Uzoho looking his age with hair/beard cut.

Why is there so much emphasis on his age? Uzoho is 19 years. What’s so strange about that?

Icon4s:


On first bolded that partnership should continue and become more solidified. Omeruo and Awaziem may also show substitute showings as back-ups, when necessary, to also integrate them into CB fold. I think we are settled in this department of the team.

On second bolded, how many games have the trio played together for you to make such conclusion?

The explanation by kentebemoney has covered me..if you watched the second half against Argentina and last ten minutes against Poland ,you will agree with me that the trio are our best midfield combination excluding the two Obis

gbosaa:



Why is there so much emphasis on his age? Uzoho is 19 years. What’s so strange about that?

akuko