prolog2:
I think you should show proof of Dahomey ever being under your small oyo.
How come europeans visited dahomey before the 16th century but not oyo ?
If oyo was the seat of power then the european traders would have visited oyo.
Howcome no precolonial map shows oyo as having a sizeable land ?
History is not about story telling it is about proving that things happened !

if I show u proof written by Dahomey themselves is that enough proof but first u have to show me proof about Dahomey being under ur Benin village.

It seems you don't understand the meaning of the word "proof".
It doesn't matter where it is coming from.
It is obvious that the myth of oyo ever being an empire was created to steal the glory of Benin empire and give it to a yoruba entity.
Yoruba low self esteem is making them try to actually engage in history theft.
ife wants to steal Benin monarchy and artwork, while oyo wants to steal Benin military might and empire status.
You think you can just own Benin history and share it among your lazy yoruba lots ? think again !

Moneywomen17:
if I show u proof written by Dahomey themselves is that enough proof but first u have to show me proof about Dahomey being under ur Benin village.

prolog2:
It seems you don't understand the meaning of the word "proof".
It doesn't matter where it is coming from.
It is obvious that the myth of oyo ever being an empire was created to steal the glory of Benin empire and give it to a yoruba entity.
Yoruba low self esteem is making them try to actually engage in history theft.
ife wants to steal Benin monarchy and artwork, while oyo wants to steal Benin military might and empire status.
You think you can just own Benin history and share it among your lazy yoruba lots ? think again !

my guy this is proof definition below and it is not only rooted in “historical document” oyo says Dahomey was under them, Dahomey says they were under oyo, foreign national says they were under oyo is that not a proof of something. My guy stop crying ife artwork is in British museum and Benin artwork is there too. A video was shown on this same thread showing British admiring the realism of ife artwork unless u will say those British are working for Yoruba like u will probably shamelessly do. Provide a source that Dahomey was under Benin if u are lying tell me so I can provide my own source.

wtf ?
Are you retarded ?
So basically facts don't matter, people should vote in what the truth is ?
wtf ?
Just for your information I am the guy here who refuses to join illogical debates.
There is something with you yorubas that you must drag anything into illogical territory.

Moneywomen17:
my guy this is proof definition below and it is not only rooted in “historical document” oyo says Dahomey was under them, Dahomey says they were under oyo, foreign national says they were under oyo is that not a proof of something. My guy stop crying ife artwork is in British museum and Benin artwork is there too. A video was shown on this same thread showing British admiring the realism of ife artwork unless u will say those British are working for Yoruba like u will probably shamelessly do. Provide a source that Dahomey was under Benin if u are lying tell me so I can provide my own source.

Also, ife has no art, dug up stuff is not art, that is archeological discoveries !

prolog2:
Also, ife has no art, dug up stuff is not art, that is archeological discoveryies !

lol shut up. An artwork depicts the same crown that the current ooni still wears according to u can be from the previous inhabitants of ife according to someone who claims to be logical.

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Now this is a lie .....am even doubting the dahomey source but since dey were few in pop it could easily fit in .....dont be so proud on Dahomey the conqured Oyo back and dispose ur king took thier people.....as for togo and ashanti these are big lies....

Actually, I will have you reminded that the "crown" which your ooni wears today was made after the archeological discovery !
Before the discovery, your ooni didn't wear this hat/crown.
Basically, your ooni copied ife heads.
It seems you don't know what you are talking about.

Moneywomen17:
lol shut up. An artwork depicts the same crown that the current ooni still wears according to u can be from the previous inhabitants of ife according to someone who claims to be logical.

prolog2:
wtf ?
Are you retarded ?
So basically facts don't matter, people should vote in what the truth is ?
wtf ?
Just for your information I am the guy here who refuses to join illogical debates.
There is something with you yorubas that you must drag anything into illogical territory.

facts matter very much so. Don’t twist anything I said coz I never said people should vote on what the truth. People tell their own history and if a Dahomey history does say they were under oyo who are u to say it’s false coz u don’t want to believe it. Nothing illogical about it. Now once more do u have any source whatsoever that Dahomey even know what Benin village his if u do post if u don’t admit u lie so that I can post my own Dahomey source.

dahomey was never conquered by oyo, enough said.

gregyboy:



Now this is a lie .....am even doubting the dahomey source but since dey were few in pop it could easily fit in .....dont be so proud on Dahomey the conqured Oyo back and dispose ur king took thier people.....as for togo and ashanti these are big lies....

prolog2:
Actually, I will have you reminded that the "crown" which your ooni wears today was made after the archeological discovery !
Before the discovery, your ooni didn't wear this hat/crown.
Basically, your ooni copied ife heads.
It seems you don't know what you are talking about.

u don’t know what u are talking about urself oduduwa wore the crown so did olokun. On the day of the coronation of the ooni in oke ora he wore the particular crown of oduduwa so my friend u better shut up on what u don’t know about

It seems you don't know the meaning of the word history.
How old are you ?
Why is your knowledge so superficial ?
History and story are not synonymous !
History comes with proof (oops you also don't know the meaning of this word "proof" )

Moneywomen17:
facts matter very much so. Don’t twist anything I said coz I never said people should vote on what the truth. People tell their own history and if a Dahomey history does say they were under oyo who are u to say it’s false coz u don’t want to believe it. Nothing illogical about it. Now once more do u have any source whatsoever that Dahomey even know what Benin village his if u do post if u don’t admit u lie so that I can post my own Dahomey source.

gregyboy:



Now this is a lie .....am even doubting the dahomey source but since dey were few in pop it could easily fit in .....dont be so proud on Dahomey the conqured Oyo back and dispose ur king took thier people.....as for togo and ashanti these are big lies....

my guy u are back so the source u read showed Dahomey conquered oyo or back or they merely liberate themselves.

You do understand I am not talking about your current ooni, right ?
I am talking about the ooni of ife who was ooni when the discovery took place.
And I don't even think it was that ooni who copied the "crown".
I see you are dragging mythical figures into the debate.

Moneywomen17:
u don’t know what u are talking about urself oduduwa wore the crown so did olokun. On the day of the coronation of the ooni in oke ora he wore the particular crown of oduduwa so my friend u better shut up on what u don’t know about

prolog2:
It seems you don't know the meaning of the word history.
How old are you ?
Why is your knowledge so superficial ?
History and story are not synonymous !
History comes with proof (oops you also don't know the meaning of this word "proof" )

i just showed u the definition of proof but it seems u lack comprehension urself. A story is told back in time it is documented that’s history. Most Africa history are oral story pass down from generation another set of history.

prolog2:
You do understand I am not talking about your current ooni, right ?
I am talking about the ooni of ife who was ooni when the discovery took place.
And I don't even think it was that ooni who copied the "crown".
I see you are dragging mythical figures into the debate.

what mythical figures the ife people know their long line of King the current ooni is number 51. Oduduwa is number one and his image is shown wearing the crown with several other kings. Who was ooni when the discovery took place

You don't know what the word "proof" means.
How can one have a debate with a guy like you who has chosen to be dumb.
History is history, there is no such thing as "oral history", there are only oral stories.

Moneywomen17:
i just showed u the definition of proof but it seems u lack comprehension urself. A story is told back in time it is documented that’s history. Most Africa history are oral story pass down from generation another set of history.

You lack brain cells. Enough said, continue in your delusion.
51st ooni ! hah hah hah !
Yeah, why not 2000th ooni ?
Kid, go to a real school before your brain gets rotten.

Moneywomen17:
what mythical figures the ife people know their long line of King the current ooni is number 51. Oduduwa is number one and his image is shown wearing the crown with several other kings. Who was ooni when the discovery took place

prolog2:
You lack brain cells. Enough said, continue in your delusion.
51st ooni ! hah hah hah !
Yeah, why not 2000th ooni ?
Kid, go to a real school before your brain gets rotten.

what is the current number of ur oba of benin

prolog2:
You don't know what the word "proof" means.
How can one have a debate with a guy like you who has chosen to be dumb.
History is history, there is no such thing as "oral history", there are only oral stories.

ok show me “proof” Dahomey was under Benin village first then I will respond to ur insult second please don’t deflect

BabaRamota1980:


Britain could not succumb Dahomey, much as they tried. The same Britain that leveled Edoland.

You trivialize Dahomey's power.
smh....

West African history is not complete without Dahomey.

The British dont take you serious as they did Dahomey.

1,200 British soldiers sacked Benin

Need I say more ?

Moneywomen17:
davidnaze how far u are back. What does what babangida say about Yoruba has to do with Yoruba history. I mean ibo that has no known history of conquest before conquer the whole Midwest where Benin are despite the fact u had a strong kingdom in the past. In 24 hours ibo already took control of all ur town and villages. Other Africa tribe never control Yoruba like ibo control Benin during the war during pre colonial or after. 12 hours the whole of Midwest with Benin fell to biafra being led by victor banjo

Benin and isoko are the least significant tribes in the Niger delta today

Benin is trying to regain significance of the past

Which is impossible

Anytime a kingdom is fallen, their women are sold to prostitution and men to slavery

That is the cold reality of Benin today

A source from Dahomey https://www.britannica.com/place/Benin/Cultural-life. Soon some will claim its Yoruba source. A Dahomey written with foreign collaboration.

In this thread alone I have provided two source from Ghana and Benin written by their historians that agreed with what the Yoruba has been saying. With that said am out of this thread. Nobody should mention me if he is not ready to provide proof to assert whatever it is he wants to say or I won’t reply I have little Time for jokers.

Moneywomen17:
In this thread alone I have provided two source from Ghana and Benin written by their historians that agreed with what the Yoruba has been saying. With that said am out of this thread. Nobody should mention me if he is not ready to provide proof to assert whatever it is he wants to say or I won’t reply I have little Time for jokers.

Do you agree Benin Kingdom conquered and ruled Yoruba?

prolog2:
wtf ?
Are you retarded ?
So basically facts don't matter, people should vote in what the truth is ?
wtf ?
Just for your information I am the guy here who refuses to join illogical debates.
There is something with you yorubas that you must drag anything into illogical territory.

So ,if a white historian interviewed the Dahomey group, and wrote about such kingdom's strength and weakness, will such information be biased?
As long as some Oviedo guys like you come online and rant and say all sort of lies to gain recognition about a poor Igodomigodo that a Yoruba man went and took over her and made her Yoruba territory. We will continue to correct your incoherent information. Below was the history of Dahomey written by a white man so also the tributaries paid by Dahomey King to OYO Empire.
Yoruba don't write such lies as some of you from Edo do.

I really do not understand the source of the aggression on this thread. In real life Bini/Edo and Yoruba people get along very well. I have met several Bini/Edo people that bear Yoruba names, in addition to their Bini names. I have also met many Bini/Edo people that speak fluent Yoruba, in addition to their native language. In real life, there is mutual respect between both ethnic groups. So where the heck is all this fight coming from? Abeg, make una sheathe una swords. The fake guy from SE who started this fight among you guys is laughing silently at the confusion he caused. Can't you see his tactics?

davidnazee:


Do you agree Benin Kingdom conquered and ruled Yoruba?

nope. U have not provided any source whatsoever to buttress it.

Now try and have the sentences in full !
Try and post a link to the book !
I just wonder what kind of brains you guys have.
You haven't proven anything. Rather as usual you are taking words out of context with highly redacted sentences and with no link to the book and no library of authentication.
Are you just stvpid or are you performing an other 419 trick ?

By the way, I hope this is the last time I have to say this to your illogical yoruba brains:


The origin of the document has no importance !
What matters is the date the document was written !!!!!
And history of things which happened hundreds of years ago is not discovered through interviews of people who live today !!!!
What a dumbass you are !

Also, Edo are not "from Edo", they are Edo !!!!

Olu317:
So ,if a white historian interviewed the Dahomey group, and wrote about such kingdom's strength and weakness, will such information be biased?
As long as some Oviedo guys like you come online and rant and say all sort of lies to gain recognition about a poor Igodomigodo that a Yoruba man went and took over her and made her Yoruba territory. We will continue to correct your incoherent information. Below was the history of Dahomey written by a white man so also the tributaries paid by Dahomey King to OYO Empire.
Yoruba don't write such lies as some of you from Edo do.

Olu317:
So ,if a white historian interviewed the Dahomey group, and wrote about such kingdom's strength and weakness, will such information be biased?
As long as some Oviedo guys like you come online and rant and say all sort of lies to gain recognition about a poor Igodomigodo that a Yoruba man went and took over her and made her Yoruba territory. We will continue to correct your incoherent information. Below was the history of Dahomey written by a white man so also the tributaries paid by Dahomey King to OYO Empire.
Yoruba don't write such lies as some of you from Edo do.

i have decided to stop replying any of them coz no matter wat they say on nairaland it doesn’t change the real history it only stays on nairaland. Do not reply that guy prolong coz even if u provided the guy who wrote it in the past self he will say how sure do we know the guy no wat he is saying.