davidnazee:


Lol. Your foolishness has no equal.

Forget about my foolishness and face the issue.

Defend how foreign names creeped into your monarchy.

Where is Ekaladheran?

EdoNation:
Yoruba's have no pride or sense of self worth , such a pity..... Tufia!!

When we are done with your guys here you will begin to doubt your Edo roots. You need to go ahead and register a BiniNation before someone else gets it.

We are going to separate the Bini from the Edo and demystify your hoax called Ekaladherwn.


If you cant find Ekaladheran...your entire Edo story falls apart.

You must explain with placements and history where he is. Im not letting any of youu off the hook till you locate the fugitive.

prolog2:
I wish the Oba would just give the order to bring the BENIN army back into the map, we would just go and conquer these Y.A.R.R.I.B.A again !!!
It wouldn't even be that difficult.

Which Bini army? Where was this army when Biafra conquered and ruled over Edo?

prolog2:
I wish the Oba would just give the order to bring the BENIN army back into the map, we would just go and conquer these Y.A.R.R.I.B.A once again !!!
It wouldn't even be that difficult.

Ekpa, take it easy. You are beginning to sound like one of those IPOB yoots....

ibo masquerading as edo here.. ...Yoruba are warring people we fought more wars than any tribe in Nigeria fighting runs in the blood we even fought ourselves to the extent of giving tribal marks for identification in Yoruba land .. our street boys have the highest battle scar in the street how many ibo or edo even dreaded Hausa boys dey get cutlass or dagger wound on a daily basis.. i pray war shouldn't broke out is going to be a total genocide...... during the civil war Yoruba has the highest enlistment into the army ..we freed edo from the shackles of Ojukwu army led by a Yoruba man victor banjo...Fulani dey kill your people in edo state you are doing nothing about it ,crying for help from the federal government , Even in the east too..Fulani dare not try it in Ibadan or core Yoruba state . Ekiti dealt with them

we are the first in everything in Nigeria..

My great Oba, please just give us the order. Let the Benin imperial army be back. Let us take back our vassals.

MetaPhysical:



Hmmmmm....You raised a valid question. I will give you the answer in full details.

First, there are only two kingdoms with undisputable Benin dynasties in the Yoruba Commonwealth and neither of them was conquered -
1 - Olu of Warri
2 - Olu of Eko (Olu Eko, or Eleko) of Lagos.

Let me point to you that if either of these two were to spun a new independent dynasty elsewhere the title for that new dynasty will not be Olu...rather will be something else. There is no Yoruba tier-dynasty whose name is duplicitous in the next tier-kingdom. Never!

Oba is a covenant of sovereignty symbolized by the palm fronds and Akoko leaves. We have not found anywhere else in Africa that the monarchy is coronated using Akoko leaves. It is uniquely Yoruba. Oba derives from BA. You mention the people of BA in a circle of historians and archeologists and they will tell you it's Yoruba, not Edo.

Every crown head in Yorubaland was taken through the rites of the covenant and thus officially becomes Oba. The throne he sits on defines the title he bears. Let me repeat, the CROWN is the OBA, the THRONE IS THE TITLE. Thus Oba Adeyemi, Alaafin of Oyo will mean the Crown King Adeyemi of the Throne of Oyo.

So when Oranmiyan left Ife for Edo it was purposeful. The purpose was to start a new kingdom in Edo, based on the request tabled to the Kingmakers of Ife. So he was equipped before leaving Ife, with Priests and other Chiefs to proceed to Edo and investiture a new dynasty. Your Kings in Benin don't wear Ife or any Yoruba crowns, even though the origin of your dynasty is Ife. This might have been by design, but you are a foreign people and foreignland, you cannot be equated with the divine Obas in Yorubaland....this should explain why you were given Omo N'Oba N'Edo.


On the issue of conquests, it beats me why no scholar has taken up the challenge to dispute that Benin waged war and conquered Lagos. Who were the warriors that Benin fought in Lagos? The Aworis? (quadruple laugh)

The Aworis are Yorubas. There is no Yoruba kingdom that does not have a BALOGUN or BASHORUN, sometimes both! Aworis in Lagos have never had, and till today still do not have a Balogun title. Why? Because they have never fought a war. So who did the Benins fight to conquer Lagos?

The only Balogun in Lagos today is Balogun Tapa of Lagos. How did this come about? In the war of Agidingbi in 1851, in which Kosoko fought the British and Oshodi Tapa was the war General. King Kosoko had Abagbon Chiefs (The Bini war Chiefs) there at his disposal but they were not useful. The war was commanded by Kosoko himself with Oshodi as the General and Ipossu as the deputy. Oshodi's gallantry earned him Balogun of Lagos after the war and peace treaty that brought them back from Epe and resettled in Lagos.


So who did Benin fight to conquer Lagos, if the Aworis did not fight a war with you? Bini history is pregnant with a lot of fables and make-believe stories. It is time historians begin to peel through each of your stories to reconstruct the truth.

Yoruba could not have given you the Oba title, the same way you did not give Itsekiri or Lagos Omo N'Oba title.

Oya whichvone of una wan tackle this assignment kia kia? Which people did Bini fight to conquer Lagos?


...still waiting on Edo boys to find their lost ancestor Ekalaferhan

Benin didn't fight the aworis they voluntary made king ado king of Lagos ..being descendant of oduduwa

And you were there to witness it all (time travel much ?)
FYI: you were also there to witness the emptyness of Lagos before awori arrival ?
Also, you were there to witness the existance of oduduwa ?

Obalufon:
Benin didn't fight the aworis they voluntary made king ado king of Lagos ..being descendant of oduduwa

Yoruba low self esteem as usual, rewriting o history is yoruba national sports.
It is very weird that the same yoruba who says a lot of things without proof also goes on to say that Edo need to prove their claims.
Can any of you yoruba-centric foools prove that Omo n'Oba n'Edo originates from ife ?
An other irony is that the fellow accusing Edo people of having a "story pregnant with fables" is the same who brings up a mythical figure "Oranmiyan" into a serious conversation.


Let me repete this to you yoruba lots. You are highly misguided and your efforts to deny your history is pushing you into madness !
Nobody originates from ife. Ife is just one small village/kingdom which had a shrine and that is all. Don't take my word for it, look at the precolonial maps. Also stop talking about "Edo-story". The documents I keep bringing are historical documents (made in the same period as the events they describe). We Edo are being objective and proving each of our points. Yet you yoruba madmen are still tcalling this Edo-opinion while you keep telling stories with no proof and confusing fairytales with actual history.

Reality check:


Benin Kingdom:

http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b77595185.r=Benin?rk=21459;2

http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b7759521n.r=Benin?rk=21459;2

An other map of Benin made in the 17th century once again:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b530530714.r=Benin?rk=214593;2

An other map of Benin from the 17th century:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8595583b.r=Benin?rk=193134;0

This one date to the 19th century:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8469390z/f1.item.r=Benin.zoom




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rp8flCwvoAU

prolog2:
My great Oba, please just give us the order. Let the Benin imperial army be back. Let us take back our vassals.

Just imaging a childless thought with no value? Another lie about Bini standing Army? Which standing army that you couldn't even fight Herdsmen without guns in Bini,when Cattle overran some schools in Edo? So pathetic. Go do your research on how Yoruba have been dealing with them. Ask what Yoruba did to the non law abiding ones in Ile Ife, Akure ,Ekiti etc Yoruba don't need federal assistance on such issues because we can defend ourselves. Although, nobody really want war but if it happens, Yoruba will defend her country. Have you even seen Oduacoin? This is to show,the mindsets of average genuine Yorubas. It is you that rant online about Edo only and nothing to show for her growth. And here you are claiming what didn't happen in the past because Prince Henry of Portugal, the navigator, was the one that had to launch expeditions to sail beyond the West Coast of Africa to discover a new route to India. Aided by the Papal Bulls of the 1450s, which had secured their rights to the African Coasts, the Portuguese had by 1480, completed their exploration of the West Coast and were able to settle down to its fruits "mainly in gold from Mina and PEPPERS from BINI.
You are a bloody peppers seller in 14–15 century. Yoruba nation far far ahead of You. This is another fit of Yorubas. We don't rant because we work.
Behold ODUACOIN

prolog2:
And you were there to witness it all (time travel much ?)
FYI: you were also there to witness the emptyness of Lagos before awori arrival ?
Also, you were there to witness the existance of oduduwa ?


Yoruba low self esteem as usual, rewriting o history is yoruba national sports.
It is very weird that the same yoruba who says a lot of things without proof also goes on to say that Edo need to prove their claims.
Can any of you yoruba-centric foools prove that Omo n'Oba n'Edo originates from ife ?
An other irony is that the fellow accusing Edo people of having a "story pregnant with fables" is the same who brings up a mythical figure "Oranmiyan" into a serious conversation.


Let me repete this to you yoruba lots. You are highly misguided and your efforts to deny your history is pushing you into madness !
Nobody originates from ife. Ife is just one small village/kingdom which had a shrine and that is all. Don't take my word for it, look at the precolonial maps. Also stop talking about "Edo-story". The documents I keep bringing are historical documents (made in the same period as the events they describe). We Edo are being objective and proving each of our points. Yet you yoruba madmen are still tcalling this Edo-opinion while you keep telling stories with no proof and confusing fairytales with actual history.

Reality check:


Benin Kingdom:

http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b77595185.r=Benin?rk=21459;2

http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b7759521n.r=Benin?rk=21459;2

An other map of Benin made in the 17th century once again:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b530530714.r=Benin?rk=214593;2

An other map of Benin from the 17th century:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8595583b.r=Benin?rk=193134;0

This one date to the 19th century:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8469390z/f1.item.r=Benin.zoom




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rp8flCwvoAU

Were you there to witness how Bini fought Aworis? How come Oba of Lagos Island bore bears Yoruba names all through? You are a bloody clown. Do you even know the meaning Ologun Kutèrè? Do you even know Olu has no etymology in Bini ? You are chronic liar.

you people are too fool of yourselves...you can not compare Yoruba with your people ..we are both forest and arid people ..we are more unique than you forest breed ..we travelers in the ancient time we traveled around the whole African from oyo to Sudan Mauritanian ,mali...egypt

Olu317:
Were you there to witness how Bini fought Aworis? How come Oba of Lagos Island bore bears Yoruba names all through? You are a bloody clown. Do you even know the meaning Ologun Kutèrè? Do you even know Olu has no etymology in Bini ? You are chronic liar.

stop adverting primitive art

prolog2:
And you were there to witness it all (time travel much ?)
FYI: you were also there to witness the emptyness of Lagos before awori arrival ?
Also, you were there to witness the existance of oduduwa ?


Yoruba low self esteem as usual, rewriting o history is yoruba national sports.
It is very weird that the same yoruba who says a lot of things without proof also goes on to say that Edo need to prove their claims.
Can any of you yoruba-centric foools prove that Omo n'Oba n'Edo originates from ife ?
An other irony is that the fellow accusing Edo people of having a "story pregnant with fables" is the same who brings up a mythical figure "Oranmiyan" into a serious conversation.


Let me repete this to you yoruba lots. You are highly misguided and your efforts to deny your history is pushing you into madness !
Nobody originates from ife. Ife is just one small village/kingdom which had a shrine and that is all. Don't take my word for it, look at the precolonial maps. Also stop talking about "Edo-story". The documents I keep bringing are historical documents (made in the same period as the events they describe). We Edo are being objective and proving each of our points. Yet you yoruba madmen are still tcalling this Edo-opinion while you keep telling stories with no proof and confusing fairytales with actual history.

Reality check:


Benin Kingdom:

http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b77595185.r=Benin?rk=21459;2

http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b7759521n.r=Benin?rk=21459;2

An other map of Benin made in the 17th century once again:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b530530714.r=Benin?rk=214593;2

An other map of Benin from the 17th century:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8595583b.r=Benin?rk=193134;0

This one date to the 19th century:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8469390z/f1.item.r=Benin.zoom




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rp8flCwvoAU

stop adverting primitive art you can't compare it with ife art

To the guy posting precolonial maps, you are showing maps drawn by traders who were told by Benin how far their land extended and put it on map without verification or validation. This was in a time of pre-contact with the hinterlands and other coastal peoples.

After contacts with all the lands and validations they realized you were nobody in the classical civilizations of African peoples pre colonial rules and subdivision of African lands. So they corrected the map and issued a true map of political realms of civilized Empires.

Here is the true and validated version of civilizations in Africa. Please expand the map and find Edoland for us. If you cannot find Edoland, find Benin kingdom. If you cannot, explain why these places are not found in the list of civilized Africans, pre European contact.

You can clearly see Ife is the ruling domain and center of civilization over the entire West Niger.

And I suppose you were there to witness what you alledge ?
I guess the people of Benin Kingdom were thinking (700 years ago) about how to fake precolonial maps so that when nigeria would be created, some Edo would be able to show those maps on nairaland.
I also guess the traders and the map experts who came to establish trade routes and gather as much information as possible thought it were best to have blind trust on people whom they didn't even know and with whom conversation was difficult.

Yeah just throw away proof by the wave of a hand and then provide a fake map to buttress your fake claims.
Just take a look at your laughable map it is supposed to be showing the borders more than 200000 years ago ! ?
How old is your silly map (I bet the guy who made it is still alive).

Why must yoruba cover themselves with ridicule all the time ?
History is not for 419.


I have just noticed that your map was made with a computer.
The irony: you try to rubbish authentic maps and then you proceed to replace them with fake maps which are more in accordance with your claims and beliefs. This is the yoruba attitude, you live in a fantastic world. You believe you can rewrite the passt by just refusing the truth and making up your own "truth".

MetaPhysical:
To the guy posting precolonial maps, you are showing maps drawn by traders who were told by Benin how far their land extended and put it on map without verification or validation. This was in a time of pre-contact with the hinterlands and other coastal peoples.

After contacts with all the lands and validations they realized you were nobody in the classical civilizations of African peoples pre colonial rules and subdivision of African lands. So they corrected the map and issued a true map of political realms of civilized Empires.

Here is the true and validated version of civilizations in Africa. Please expand the map and find Edoland for us. If you cannot find Edoland, find Benin kingdom. If you cannot, explain why these places are not found in the list of civilized Africans, pre European contact.

You can clearly see Ife is the ruling domain and center of civilization over the entire West Niger.

Obalufon:


stop adverting primitive art

What primitive Art?

He is at a more advanced stage of history rewriting, he has gone completely crazy !

Olu317:
What primitive Art?

prolog2:
He is at a more advanced stage of history rewriting, he has gone completely crazy !

Archeological findings can't be rewritten because of evidence that comes along with it. Obalufon, mistake doesn't mean I am your ally...I forbid people like you that involve in rewriting Yoruba –Bini history. You and others like you are the rebels here and must be made to read the fact with historical evidence. I support you not .Period.

gregyboy:



Foolish ibos ....i guess if it was pop i guess British wont have colonized the igbos oga....inform edo for ibo& edo war ...not d one you cum and shoot unarmed cilvilans....i guess it took less than hours for ogbemudia to drive dat useless ojukwu with his incomplete teeth of his out of edo....forgod sake it wasnt edo u conqured u fought d nigerian army not edo....majority my foot
Ure been slideline in politics by d north nd west nd u all raise ur stupid tongues nd write ur a majour tribe....i bet nxt 20yrs the north will elinate all d ibos to just one state nd Yoruba's will do well to assist

Yoruba doesn't want you
Ijaw doesn't want you
Igbo doesn't want you
Who again....claiming everywhere ...small minority tribe making noise....ho take gelegele

Olu317:
What primitive Art?

sorry bro ..i was referring to prolog2 pussy merchant AKA Oviedo that david shit head nazee

BabaRamota1980:


Which Bini army? Where was this army when Biafra conquered and ruled over Edo?

Biafra will conquer Yoruba easily. Una fit fight?

Obalufon:


sorry bro ..i was referring to prolog2 pussy merchant AKA Oviedo that david shit head nazee

I know!

prolog2:
And I suppose you were there to witness what you alledge ?
I guess the people of Benin Kingdom were thinking (700 years ago) about how to fake precolonial maps so that when nigeria would be created, some Edo would be able to show those maps on nairaland.
I also guess the traders and the map experts who came to establish trade routes and gather as much information as possible thought it were best to have blind trust on people whom they didn't even know and with whom conversation was difficult.

Yeah just throw away proof by the wave of a hand and then provide a fake map to buttress your fake claims.
Just take a look at your laughable map it is supposed to be showing the borders more than 200000 years ago ! ?
How old is your silly map (I bet the guy who made it is still alive).

Why must yoruba cover themselves with ridicule all the time ?
History is not for 419.


I have just noticed that your map was made with a computer.
The irony: you try to rubbish authentic maps and then you proceed to replace them with fake maps which are more in accordance with your claims and beliefs. This is the yoruba attitude, you live in a fantastic world. You believe you can rewrite the passt by just refusing the truth and making up your own "truth".

Omo isobo.

You say map of African indigeneous civilizations are fake....but the one hand drawn by traders on Bini river is authentic.

Hey, you found ekaladjeran yet Dont loose sight of your mission here. You must find that fugitive.

Obalufon:
ibo masquerading as edo here.. ...Yoruba are warring people we fought more wars than any tribe in Nigeria fighting runs in the blood we even fought ourselves to the extent of giving tribal marks for identification in Yoruba land .. our street boys have the highest battle scar in the street how many ibo or edo even dreaded Hausa boys dey get cutlass or dagger wound on a daily basis.. i pray war shouldn't broke out is going to be a total genocide...... during the civil war Yoruba has the highest enlistment into the army ..we freed edo from the shackles of Ojukwu army led by a Yoruba man victor banjo...Fulani dey kill your people in edo state you are doing nothing about it ,crying for help from the federal government , Even in the east too..Fulani dare not try it in Ibadan or core Yoruba state . Ekiti dealt with them

If Midwest was fully armed the biafran army would not be able to enter the region.
It was the Nigerian army led by the Fulani general buhari and ogbemudia that liberated the region.
Yoruba no get levels.

yoriba lie too much.

davidnazee:


If Midwest was fully armed the biafran army would not be able to enter the region.
It was the Nigerian army led by the Fulani general buhari and ogbemudia that liberated the region.
Yoruba no get levels.

Hahahahahahaha....


where is ekaladheran?

prolog2:
He is at a more advanced stage of history rewriting, he has gone completely crazy !

I went into Nairaland archives to review debates on Ife-Benin heirarchy and surprised about two findings.

1. There are tons of aged threads and shows this issue has been going on for long time. I gave up the review at a point.

2. In everyone of them that I saw and scanned through, without a single exception, fatigued by the barrage of assaults and verbal attacks, Yorubas backed out and left the threads giving Edos the last word.

This particular thread is different. Yorubas are on the assault and tenacious. Im sure Edos are shocked at the unexpected doggedness of the Yorubas on this thread. It's out of character for the Oduduwas to go this long in a verbal turf battle...but they are. I see the Edos showing fatigue on this thread. This goes to truth of the saying that Yorubas are laid back and quick to yield even when they stand on truth, however they can be unpredictable, when they charge forward...they come out for total demolition.

This is necessary. Its a package!

MetaPhysical:
I went into Nairaland archives to review debates on Ife-Benin heirarchy and surprised about two findings.

1. There are tons of aged threads and shows this issue has been going on for long time. I gave up the review at a point.

2. In everyone of them that I saw and scanned through, without a single exception, fatigued by the barrage of assaults and verbal attacks, Yorubas backed out and left the threads giving Edos the last word.

This particular thread is different. Yorubas are on the assault and tenacious. Im sure Edos are shocked at the unexpected doggedness of the Yorubas on this thread. It's out of character for the Oduduwas to go this long in a verbal turf battle...but they are. I see the Edos showing fatigue on this thread. This goes to truth of the saying that Yorubas are laid back and quick to yield even when they stand on truth, however they can be unpredictable, when they charge forward...they come out for total demolition.

Ahh...you make my head swell no be small.

Me i don tell the isobos, until they resolve the whereabout of this their fugitive, ekalandheran, dead, maimed or alive, this thread is my home.