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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by forgiveness: 12:00am On Jun 03, 2018
edi287:

Yeah Awaziem might get dropped. I remember there were reports that Ogu trained as a CB in the past, didn't think Rohr would try out in a game.
One of the benefits of having someone like him as a CB in a three man defence is he can always switch back to a 4-3-3/4-2-3-1 when required.
After this world cup, Rohr needs to look at our midfield options. He should be looking at more creative CMs. Get someone who can pass from deep if he insists on playing Mikel as a 10.

I agree with you on Ogu. He's a good and utility player.
He's surely on his way to Russia.

I think you are right, he should search for a creative Cms that can pass from deep after the world cup.

For now, Ogu can do that with ease and I hope he is given the chance.
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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 12:03am On Jun 03, 2018
The coaching crew should get serious and make the right set-up for the team. Nacho should lead the line. He offers more bite, mobility, finishing ability, shooting from range and also has the creativity to drop deep to assist the midfield. It is a no-brainer he should be a starter.

Onazi should never start ahead of Ogu again.

Finito.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mujtahida: 12:04am On Jun 03, 2018
AIG07:
Iwobi is undebatebly our most outstanding outfield player today. His ball reading ability has improved. I saw him pull some long and lobbed defence splitting balls. One of which led to a goal.

Iwobi should be given a free role in the team. He needs to be free to roam about to dictate play..
He needs space to flourish.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by EEGA: 12:04am On Jun 03, 2018
lexyman:


have you considered other aspect .

Sheu is a versatile player , he can get better, and dont forget , his performance were top notch during the qualifier... not until recently when he started experiencing dwindling in form , but this is not his best
So, against Croatia you will start Shehu?
We hardly learn from our mistakes.African football is not WC.If not Vicmo's selfishness would have earned him a goal today.

Any full back that doesn't attack subjects the team to pressure.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mujtahida: 12:08am On Jun 03, 2018
kennysville:
Friends, countrymen, Nairalanders.....

#EngNig...

Watching the first half got me soooo annoyed at our reactionary approach to games and I fear this is a serious problem. Whatever happened to us actually playing our own game? What is it with sitting down and waiting for our opponents to show us their hand before we deal? My stomach was really turning when I saw them English take over the midfield. We couldnt string 3passes together without them interrupted. Did we also have to wait till 2nd half to do the needful changes?

5 friendlies and we are yet to sort out a workin and meaningful midfield and yet we keep talking goalkeeper. Even if Rohr is trying sooo much not to reveal his game plan to opponents watching,... any fool already knows that his ultimate pattern is 3-5-2. Who is he kidding? I am not gonna talk about players who goofes today because right abt nw is not the time for any experimentation. The whole reason why we are in this mess, if truth be told is Rorh's conservative approach. The moment he noticed us losing the battle in the midfield, he shd have drafted Mikel to the deep to shut down things.

Waiting till 2nd half to do necessary changes might be too late in some games. We might not be sooo lucky to recover. I hear a lot of people saying we seem intimidated in the first 30 minutes. But the question I have is does it mean we cant at least string accurate passes just to kill the time and pressure? We dont need to even try and score... at least boss the midfield .... frustrate the opponent a little. I dont think that should be too hard? If pressure is what is the problem, then we have to devise a means of soaking that up. Learn to pass accurately and keep it tight. No need goin forward! Shikena.

The earlier our gaffer starts playing accordin to his team's strength, the beta. Enough of this player cannot be benched for that player. Oh... and one more thing.... if reactionary tactics is how Rorh gets his results, then we gotts be ready to be coming from behind a lot at the mundial. I hope it works
I have never subscribed to this tag that the team is a counter attacking team. Na that counter attacking identity dey cause the bolded.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mickael2(m): 12:08am On Jun 03, 2018
ChrisKels:
Michael please where are you? Those who called us clueless and haters have finally been treated to a sweet dinner by their Onazi grin

grin I just dey here dey check out some very very very funny analysis.

First of all we both saw it since 2017 that Onazi is gone, after this match even Sir Kog45 no fit defend am again. but trust them sha.


Then again, everybody is hailing our second half performance, but bar Iwobi's goal which other chance(notable or not) did we create? England were winning, they didn't need to push yet in that second half they still created the better chances after we scored and for God's sake this is England, you know the same England that we have been saying we will wipe the floor with? yes that sane England and we barely created 3 chances of note and people are still making reference to the Argentina friendly when we have been so poor recently.


Our main problem now is Mikel. naturally he doesn't have enough energy to function as an AMF self, but to make matters worse the Chinese league has been on for a while, I doubt he has had enough time to rest since he started all his team's recent matches, that's like 10 games at least in the last few weeks and yet we all know that without Mikel our team is...well Panama wearing a fanciful green jersey and the end point is that we will be destroyed. Ndidi is not yet training with the full squad, I don't know when he will get match fit but let's just watch. The main problem is that the Chinese league's calendar has affected Mikel and it will affect our team, that AMF role will be too stressful for him now and that's when we will see just how good our team is.


coming down to the manager, I'd bet thousands that Onazi would still start our matches, in fact make that a few hundred thousands. The coach is just a man manager, it works for Zidane because he has a lot of top quality players but when your forward players are either wingbacks in the clubs or they have a permanent quarter on the bench of a midtable team then being just a manager isn't going to cut it.


Finally to address those calling for Ogu to becoming a starter, you don't change your midfield most especially like that. No matter how impressive Saul is in training and even friendlies now and even if Iniesta starts playing like an old lady he will still start, that's one area of the pitch where you don't just change players because they come in as subs and perform well. Ogu may not even make it to Russia and I won't be surprised I mean Kayode was left at home for a Lokosa who had no chance whatsoever. I mean based on what Ighalo did today wouldn't Lokosa at least be a better choice? in fact I have tire

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 12:08am On Jun 03, 2018
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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 12:10am On Jun 03, 2018
Dele Alli VS Iwobi

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 12:14am On Jun 03, 2018
It would be a blessing in disguise. Trust me.
TheGoodJoe:


So what have they been doing all these while? A lot of work, two weeks to the World Cup.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mickael2(m): 12:15am On Jun 03, 2018
TheGoodJoe:
The coaching crew should get serious and make the right set-up for the team. Nacho should lead the line. He offers more bite, mobility, finishing ability, shooting from range and also has the creativity to drop deep to assist the midfield. It is a no-brainer he should be a starter.

Onazi should never start ahead of Ogu again.

Finito.


Like you seriously want to believe that Nacho should be the lone man forward? When has he ever had a good game in that position?

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Nobody: 12:19am On Jun 03, 2018
Iceland lost 3-2 to Norway

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by MetalJigsaw(m): 12:19am On Jun 03, 2018
Mujtahida:

From maturity you don move to consistency. Ok o
He's been guilty of both bro. I hop he can keep it up
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 12:19am On Jun 03, 2018
Joebie:
It would be a blessing in disguise. Trust me.

I do not think that way. I believe a lot of work should go into preparations and we missed it badly this time. Especially the uncalled for trip to Nigeria to me was baffling. Rohr used the term distractions and I feel that was what that trip was.

I hope Rohr also learns from this and have a balanced fair set-up of the team. We should be playing to blow out teams or stay organized in a rigid fashion.

I hope he sorts it out. I really do but I am disappointed that we are back to shabby preparations at the last lap.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 12:22am On Jun 03, 2018
Mickael2:



Like you seriously want to believe that Nacho should be the lone man forward? When has he ever had a good game in that position?

Lee seriously you believe a less mobile person is a better option when we are in an era most teams play with compact midfield and defence? The way out is to have more movement up front. A big man would not perform magic.

The most devastating teams have players who offer movement. Look at Dres Mertens for Napoli. He is not your regular big man.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Jarus(m): 12:22am On Jun 03, 2018
Unlimited22:

Should we fry beans?

We should o. Iceland losing on a day we also lost is good for our morale.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mickael2(m): 12:26am On Jun 03, 2018
TheGoodJoe:


Lee seriously you believe a less mobile person is a better option when we are in an era most teams play with compact midfield and defence? The way out is to have more movement up front. A big man would not perform magic.

The most devastating teams have players who offer movement. Look at Dres Mertens for Napoli. He is not your regular big man.



you are evading the question Sir. tell me one game that he has functioned well as a lone striker up top.


He is no Mertens by the way, not even remotely close

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Unlimited22: 12:26am On Jun 03, 2018
Jarus:


We should o. Iceland losing on a day we also lost is good for our morale.
Boss, let's focus on ourselves and improve. If we click well and everyone turns up, we can beat anyone. But that is becoming a rarity.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 12:26am On Jun 03, 2018
Mickael2:



Like you seriously want to believe that Nacho should be the lone man forward? When has he ever had a good game in that position?

Dres Mertens was a winger most of his career but Sarri was able to fashion out one of the most devastating forwards in the game today by tinkering with his set-up and giving the small winger a chance upfront. Mertens turned out a revelation banging over 40 goals in over 50 games.

Caging minds with respect to tactics is long over. Attributes is the key.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 12:31am On Jun 03, 2018
Mickael2:




you are evading the question Sir. tell me one game that he has functioned well as a lone striker up top.


He is no Mertens by the way, not even remotely close

Is Ighalo Ronaldo. Your writing empty things here without making any point. I have listed attributes why Iheanacho is the better pick. Heck, today, he offered better movement and touches upfront than Ighalo. Why the hell should Ighalo be the better choice?

I have said it, with more movement up front, the midfield has better options to pick better passes.

Iheanacho has led the line for Guardiola and Guardiola mostly plays with a man upfront and Iheanacho has done well. So I wonder all these when has Iheanacho played well as a long striker upfront.

Mertens shows that build and strength is not the only way to go with a striker upfront.

How that equates to Iheanacho being Mertens beats my imagination.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mickael2(m): 12:32am On Jun 03, 2018
TheGoodJoe:


Dres Mertens was a winger most of his career but Sarri was able to fashion out one of the most devastating forwards in the game today by tinkering with his set-up and giving the small winger a chance upfront. Mertens turned out a revelation banging over 40 goals in over 50 games.

Caging minds with respect to tactics is long over. Attributes is the key.


Sir, Nacho has been tried there over and again and he failed woefully every single time. He is no Mertens not even close by any stretch
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mickael2(m): 12:37am On Jun 03, 2018
TheGoodJoe:


Is Ighalo Ronaldo. Your writing empty things here without making any point. I have lifted attributes why Iheanacho is the better pick. Heck, today, he offered better movement and touches upfront than Ighalo. Why the hell should Ighalo be the better choice?

I have said it, with more movement up front, the midfield has better options to pick better passes.

Iheanacho has led the line for Guardiola and Guardiola mostly plays with a man upfront and Iheanacho has done well. So I wonder all these when has Iheanacho played well as a long striker upfront.

Mertens shows that build and strength is not the only way to go with a striker upfront.

How that equates to Iheanacho being Mertens beats my imagination.


No offence Sir but you really do not have any point.


I am very very sure that you are part of the 'national team form' committee so I ask again, has Nacho ever performed well as a lone striker in the GWG? The answer, if you are being sincere is a resounding NO. Has Ighalo performed well as a lone striker for us? Way way better than Nacho has ever managed. Against Algeria the midfielders couldn't find any pass for Nacho and you came and gave us a long speech about pressing, utterly useless speech it was no offence. Against South Africa the same thing happened and you came back and blamed the midfield, yet against Cameroon Ighalo barely got 4 good chances and scored, if he wasn't mobile how did the midfielder find him? Baba, it's 00:37, you probably had a hectic day no?

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by OMANBALA1: 12:39am On Jun 03, 2018
See that dribble wey Onazi chop after he gave away the ball before the second goal...Onazi dey play like grand papa


Uzoho should have caught that ball
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by EEGA: 12:42am On Jun 03, 2018
TheGoodJoe:
The coaching crew should get serious and make the right set-up for the team. Nacho should lead the line. He offers more bite, mobility, finishing ability, shooting from range and also has the creativity to drop deep to assist the midfield. It is a no-brainer he should be a starter.

Onazi should never start ahead of Ogu again.

Finito.
Which Nacho?

I can only start Nacho in a 3-5-2 or 3-4-3 but as a lone striker Mbanu.The days of experiment are gone.
We also have Simy to deputise for Ighalo.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 12:44am On Jun 03, 2018
Mickael2:



Sir, Nacho has been tried there over and again and he failed woefully every single time. He is no Mertens not even close by any stretch

Talk like an analyst than saying he failed woefully.

I have pointed out a simple way to identify how ruthless Iheanacho can be but most of you have decided to keep your eyes blind to a simple point.

In the game against South Africa most people criticized Iheanacho, people missed a blatant fact. Iheanancho made some devastating runs that put the South African defence under pressure. However, the passes that would have helped us score were poor. That is not the striker not playing poorly but the midfield not delivering. Watch the runs and the chances would have gotten, will show you Iheanacho's strength.

In the game against Algeria, even the coach told you Iheanacho was the reason they lost but you have chosen to bury your head in a sand of lies to keep the false doctrine of Iheanacho can not operate alone upfront.

In today's game, Nacho dropped deep to help spread the ball, kept the defenders under pressure and also kept pickford under pressure. This gave us more chances to win the ball. Tell us a better option to play to cause such effect. Because, I see no solutions from you.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by komekn(m): 12:45am On Jun 03, 2018
tbaba1234:
First of all, shocking first half.. We lost the midfield battle.. Joel Obi was getting into everyone's way. Onazi kept misplacing passes.

Ebuehi is miles ahead of Shehu, How people do not see that, is baffling...

Ogu was great.. Ogu and Etebo stabilized the middle.

Ndidi and Ogu/etebo might be our best midfield combo.

Overall, good test..

I hope Joel Obi gets dropped.


Ebuehi has for me put Shehu into retirement NUFF said.

Joel Obi and Onazi have lost thier with Onazi carrying way too much weight.

Ogu did not stabilise the midfield, we were playing 3-5-2. He was left sided CB his lack of pace and recovery opened the door for Welbeck you almost have an open road to score goal if not for Ekong.

Etebo brought much needed invention, stability,mobility, attack and much needed defensive backtracking.

Musa gave Walker a lesson in sprinting.

With the work they did as a collective Mikel was unleashed with licence to roam. Iwobi is fast growing up and running � tings.

When will Aina get a game at RB or LB we really have not tested him properly.

Idowu has given Echiejile is pension, nuttin more to say.

Finally, football brought the Naija community out in full force LONDON shake no be small.

Met old classmates I hadn't seen for years and some Naija celebrity musicians.

GR8 Day in the end after causing cardiac arrest to the nation the revived themselves in the second half.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 12:47am On Jun 03, 2018
EEGA:
Which Nacho?

I can only start Nacho in a 3-5-2 or 3-4-3 but as a lone striker Mbanu.The days of experiment are gone.
We also have Simy to deputise for Ighalo.

And you feel playing Simy upfront alone is not an experiment. Na wa.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mickael2(m): 12:47am On Jun 03, 2018
TheGoodJoe:


Talk like an analyst than saying he failed woefully.

I have pointed out a simple way to identify how ruthless Iheanacho can be but most of you have decided to keep your eyes blind to a simple point.

In the game against South Africa most people criticized Iheanacho, people missed a blatant fact. Iheanancho made some devastating runs that put the South African defence under pressure. However, the passes that would have helped us score where poor. That is not the striker not playing poorly but the midfield not delivering. Watch the runs and the chances would have gotten, will show you Iheanacho's strength.

In the game against Algeria, even the coach told you Iheanacho was the reason we lost but you have chosen to bury your head in a sand of lies to keep the false doctrine of Iheanacho can not operate alone upfront.

In today's game, Nacho dropped deep to help spread the ball, kept the defenders under pressure and also kept pickford under pressure. This gave us more chances to win the ball. Tell us a better option to play to cause such effect. Because, I see no solutions from you.



so after Nacho came on did we have a single bonafide chance? At least Ighalo was involved in the goal somehow
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 12:48am On Jun 03, 2018
Mickael2:



No offence Sir but you really do not have any point.


I am very very sure that you are part of the 'national team form' committee so I ask again, has Nacho ever performed well as a lone striker in the GWG? The answer, if you are being sincere is a resounding NO. Has Ighalo performed well as a lone striker for us? Way way better than Nacho has ever managed. Against Algeria the midfielders couldn't find any pass for Nacho and you came and gave us a long speech about pressing, utterly useless speech it was no offence. Against South Africa the same thing happened and you came back and blamed the midfield, yet against Cameroon Ighalo barely got 4 good chances and scored, if he wasn't mobile how did the midfielder find him? Baba, it's 00:37, you probably had a hectic day no?

Started your comment off point. I have always hanmered that the best in camp and the best options. Yet you start with National team form. Totally off point.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 12:50am On Jun 03, 2018
Mickael2:




so after Nacho came on did we have a single bonafide chance? At least Ighalo was involved in the goal somehow

Time was short to cause havoc. I was shocked Rohr waited so long to make the change. By the time the changes was made, the English have fallen deep. However, it did not change that we had more movement upfront and stood a better chance if we played with more movement and pressing upfront.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 12:53am On Jun 03, 2018
Mickael2:



No offence Sir but you really do not have any point.


I am very very sure that you are part of the 'national team form' committee so I ask again, has Nacho ever performed well as a lone striker in the GWG? The answer, if you are being sincere is a resounding NO. Has Ighalo performed well as a lone striker for us? Way way better than Nacho has ever managed. Against Algeria the midfielders couldn't find any pass for Nacho and you came and gave us a long speech about pressing, utterly useless speech it was no offence. Against South Africa the same thing happened and you came back and blamed the midfield, yet against Cameroon Ighalo barely got 4 good chances and scored, if he wasn't mobile how did the midfielder find him? Baba, it's 00:37, you probably had a hectic day no?

Ighalo has not performed way way better than Nacho as a lone striker. Algerian coach said it that Nacho was the reason we won. You are only looking at chances and goal, forgetting the game has gone way beyond that.

Ighalo can not and will never offer the kind of movement Nacho gave us against Algeria. If jam body and fight is what you tag performing way way better, Gabriel Jesus would never wear nine for Brazil.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by EEGA: 12:54am On Jun 03, 2018
TheGoodJoe:


And you feel playing Simy upfront alone is not an experiment. Na wa.
At least Rohr confirmed he(Simy) offers something different.

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