Primesky:


My brother, please be not angry OK. If you clearly read through my submittions above, you will not see any where I mention, or even infered that we shouldn't talk or even argue with them. But my point is, the way and manner we do it is very important, and that in doing so, we mustn't aim to win every single argument. Doing so, will lead us into fighting and quarrelling with them, that will defeat the purpose of our mission. Sorry for making you misunderstand me. Shalom.

M0ron:


This is a huge assumption of atheists,especially new atheists. They imagine they have discovered the art and science of thinking. Atheism is simply a different worldview,not any smarter than theism

Primesky:


Were you in Nigeria when the Federal government granted amnesty to some militants?. What would have happened if they had refused to accept the offer?.

Was it the government that literally forced them into militancy?. Was their action a contravention of the laws of the nation?. Was there any consequences for contravening those laws?. Will it be good for the government to allow them continue their destructive action forever without striking them down?.

So if the government gives a period of grace and says, repent, and you will be pardoned or else, you will be taken down, and the militants refuse, will you call the government evil and wicked?.

My dear, repent and accept God's amnesty through Christ Jesus now, so that you can be saved. Do so before it's too late. I know you may want to argue and say, for what crime?. Well, so some militants asked as well and paid for it.

Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

Jesus Christ saves!.

chemystery:

This is not politics section. We are talking about religion here and about a supposed omnipotent and omniscient god, an all-loving and all-forgiving god. Now you want to use an entity with limitations to qualify another entity without limitations just to relief burden off your imaginary entity without limitations.

Let me show you example by making the government omnipotent:
Won't an omnipotent government just reset the minds of all the militants? Way easier for it than the whole amnesty drama. So that's a false analogy.



Someone in chains wishes I get saved. Funny!
Emancipate yourself from mental slavery. None but yourself can free you.

M0ron:


I’m not angry and the very insinuation that I am angry is not funny. That aside,
I don’t know what you think of when the word argument comes to mind. To me, it is a REASONED OPINION and not just a shouting match. Any debate/discussion even among believers can easily go south. That’s not the object of our interaction with atheists or anyone else for that matter. Atheists must be allowed to vent,must be listened to,and their arguments must be responded to. If they are not responded to, many fester into hardness of heart. They end up mistakin the Theists’ silence for agreeing with them

hopefulLandlord:
I'm an atheist, I have no animosity towards theists, I have animosity towards religious belief. I'm of the strong opinion that religious belief is detrimental to the human race and any benefit people think religion is the only source of actually has other sources but people can't be arsed to finding them

I don't hurl invectives at theists either

I guess I can only speak for myself though

Primesky:


It's OK, at least you have heard and read the message. You have right of choice to either reject or accept. I will not argue or quarrel with you about that.

For the avoidance of doubt, the truth and the fact here is that Jesus the Son of God came to the world, paid the price and penalty of our sins. Whosoever believes in Him by repenting of his/her sins and accepting Him, will be saved!.

This is the verdict of the Lord:

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

This is the whole matter in summary. Whatever you choose to do, say, think and believe, is totally your choice, but the truth cannot be altered. May the light of God shine on you. Shalom.

M0ron:

It’s strewn all over here

Seun:
Excellent; that means that it will be extremely easy for you to provide a few concrete examples.

Primesky:


My brother, please be not angry OK. If you clearly read through my submittions above, you will not see any where I mention, or even infered that we shouldn't talk or even argue with them. But my point is, the way and manner we do it is very important, and that in doing so, we mustn't aim to win every single argument. Doing so, will lead us into fighting and quarrelling with them, that will defeat the purpose of our mission. Sorry for making you misunderstand me. Shalom.

chemystery:

This is not politics section. We are talking about religion here and about a supposed omnipotent and omniscient god, an all-loving and all-forgiving god. Now you want to use an entity with limitations to qualify another entity without limitations just to relief burden off your imaginary entity without limitations.

Let me show you example by making the government omnipotent:
Won't an omnipotent government just reset the minds of all the militants? Way easier for it than the whole amnesty drama. So that's a false analogy.



Someone in chains wishes I get saved. Funny!
Emancipate yourself from mental slavery. None but yourself can free you.

bloodofthelamb:


You are the lord of your own mind. God cannot manipulate you. Bro, you are the ignorant one here.

Seun:
Excellent; that means that it will be extremely easy for you to provide a few concrete examples.

Primesky:


OK, sorry. Matter resolved.

chemystery:

Read through the post you just quoted again. Point out where I have written that atheist are smarter than theists?
Meanwhile, there is nothing smart about believing snake or donkeys talk (as recorded in the bible) or believing ants talk (as recorded in the Quran). Anyone who believes this need to be taught certain facet of thinking.

M0ron:

Calling Theists stupid means you are smarter

chemystery:

And where have I done that?

M0ron:


You can’t see it?

What makes you imagine that the theist is unthinking,and in need of thinking classes?

M0ron:


This is not projection but fact. Why would you burn midnight oil barking at those who don’t share your worldview?

chemystery:

Jesus actually ask some people to win arguments and if they can't, they should introduce some lying and trolling skills. You can confirm from folks like butterflyleo, felixomor, winner01, kingebukasblog, and the rest.

Seun:
Excellent; that means that it will be extremely easy for you to provide a few concrete examples.

chemystery:

Jesus or Yahweh have not spoken to you before. You only came to the world and met a book claimed to have been inspired by Yahweh. Even as there is no evidence that this is true, you still believed it because those who gave birth to you believed it and told you they were true.

Is this not evident that you really don't believe in Yahweh but in men who told you in writings that they were inspired by Yahweh, as well as men who propagated it to reach you? How come you trust these men you never met so much that you believed they weren't telling lies?

These men were the ones who Yahweh spoke to and therefore the ones who we would say believed (or should believe) in Yahweh. And now, all you are left with is to believe these men who claimed to hear from Yahweh are telling the truth, and at the end, you say you believe in Yahweh. No you don't! You only believe and trust that the authors of the bible books weren't telling lies. Shalom!

bloodofthelamb:


Brother, you are really doing justice in here. The Lord Jesus is your wisdom and strength.

winner01:
Why are you on a religious section arguing with religious people?

Primesky:


Hahaha... and how do you know that God hasn't spoken to me before?. God's standards never change. His yes in the time of Adam is yes now, so He basically repeats those things He has once told men of old. He never contradicts himself, however, if I don't understand a thing, I ask Him and He answers me.

Why do you think it's difficult for God to speak to man?, look, I am a child of God, and my Father speaks to me always.

Primesky:

Amen!. Thanks very much.
May God's grace abide with you and all in Jesus name. Amen!.

Primesky:


Hahaha... and how do you know that God hasn't spoken to me before?. God's standards never change. His yes in the time of Adam is yes now, so He basically repeats those things He has once told men of old. He never contradicts himself, however, if I don't understand a thing, I ask Him and He answers me.

Why do you think it's difficult for God to speak to man?, look, I am a child of God, and my Father speaks to me always. I am not a bastard, as a matter of fact, God always longs to fellowship with His children, that's why He made us, to have a dynamic relationship with Him. To get to that point, you must accept what He says, correct the errors He has pointed out, which is that you repent and accept His Holy son Jesus Christ and live in a godly way of love and faith.

Jeremiah 33:3 Call unto me, and I will answer thee, and shew thee great and mighty things, which thou knowest not.

You can't call on the one you don't love, trust or believe, because there's no relationship between you both. Does that then mean it doesn't exist with others?.

John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

Now that you don't believe in Jesus neither do you love Him yet, how can He abide with you to relate and fellowship with you?.

There are alot I can show you. If you don't know, you don't know. You have no idea what you're missing I tell you.

Is it the sweet time of personal fellowship I enjoy with Him or the moments of prayer that appears as if it should never end?. What pleasure in this world can compare?. But like I said, if you don't know, you don't know. But you see, in my Father's kingdom of love and light, we're not stingy, so we share this love and excitement for all who care to come. It's free and open to all to enjoy

Jesus Christ is the sweetest thing that can happen to any soul. Ah! If only you know

chemystery:

You are only lying to convince yourself you haven't been deceived. Saying God speaks to you is self deceit of the highest order. To prove you have been lying to yourself, try and record god's voice next time he speaks to you and see if you can

dalaman:


You claim to speak with God whom you claim is the creator of the universe abi? If your claim is not a lie then you should be able to prove your assertions and also prove that you are not a liar. Failure to do so will show that you are a liar.

Tell your God to tell you exactly when he created the earth. He is to tell you the exact age of the earth since you claim to know it. Your God should also tell you exactly how long ago he created man. These are controversial things that most people will want to know, since you claim you talk to the creator f the universe, talk to him and let him give you the answers and tell you how they can be verified.

dalaman:


You claim to speak with God whom you claim is the creator of the universe abi? If your claim is not a lie then you should be able to prove your assertions and also prove that you are not a liar. Failure to do so will show that you are a liar.

Tell your God to tell you exactly when he created the earth. He is to tell you the exact age of the earth since you claim to know it. Your God should also tell you exactly how long ago he created man. These are controversial things that most people will want to know, since you claim you talk to the creator f the universe, talk to him and let him give you the answers and tell you how they can be verified.

Primesky:


Really, these are the things that gives you headache?.
Wait a minute, if I tell you what God says now, will you believe?. I told you how much He loves you and how He desires to have a direct relationship with you, so that you will be the one asking Him any question you want, but no you said!. So how will you believe me if I tell you His reply?. You don't need me to record anything for you, rather, you need to hear it yourself,
that's more authentic, and it's open to all!. The bible tells you about such opportunity and I have echoed it to you, don't you think it's pride and laziness not to take that advantage? You can't mock God at all.

So, God must dance to your every tune and satisfy your every wim before you believe He exist?. You don't seem to know where you are, if you do, you won't blink an eye first before accepting His offer of salvation. The very thing fallen angels are dying to have, now offered to you freely, but you, the needy, is the one asking and giving conditions. A drowning man can not give conditions for his freedom. But know this, one day, you will see and know and understand everything I am saying to you now. Only pray, it doesn't happen when it's rather too late.

Jesus saves?

chemystery:

I saw you post in celebrity section. What are you doing there when you're not a celebrity?