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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ibime(m): 3:54pm On Jun 13, 2018 |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ibime(m): 4:05pm On Jun 13, 2018 |
raumdeuter: Imagine Trump finding out John Kelly is to become UN Secretary General just 5 minutes before UN announces it. Na sacking straight. Conte, LVG and co would have kept their FA informed of developments while Lopetegui was lying he is signing new long-term contract while sneakily negotiating with Madrid. it is a matter of honour and respect. Or maybe Spanish FA boss is just a bitter Brcanista looking to derail Madrid ![]() 5 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 4:12pm On Jun 13, 2018 |
Ibime: Trump can also fire Kelly without any prior knowledge or information. Like he did to Tillerson when he was still on official duties with Buhari Lopetegui was contacted by Madrid, he was negotiating with them agreed to join them after the world cup, some players got wind of it somehow it leaked and he had to make a hurried annoucement Conte, LvG Mourinho Guardiola would have made some contacts and have some agreements before telling their current employer of their intentions At your place of work, if you are trying to move to another company, When will you inform your manager? When the contact was made, when you are still negotiating or when Agreements are in place? 3 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 4:57pm On Jun 13, 2018 |
Eve of the world cup, Lets take a time to remember David Luiz, and the casualty of the last world cup. https://www.eurosport.co.uk/football/world-cup/2018/exorcising-the-ghost-brazil-and-the-7-1_sto6794528/story.shtml www.nairaland.com/attachments/7257355_luizz_png7d947b9c459c75c7362f53b3739ae74b 2 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nihilstjnr: 5:01pm On Jun 13, 2018 |
raumdeuter: Well, the argument is that Spain has always been the no mans land for the warring Barca and Madrid factions, and now all of a sudden, an active Real Madrid manager is in charge of Spain. The potential implications of that on the dressing room, are obvious to me, most especially in these days where Barcelona as a club seemed to be deeply involved in the political movement of the Catalonian secession. Real Madrid are unofficially the Government team, so a Real Madrid manager running the squad could be interpreted by Catalan nationalists as just another example of Catalan oppression etc. I believe that the argument I reposted, is somewhat backed by the press release from the Spanish FA which took pains to stress that the Spain Team is the team for “all Spaniards” I think it was probably the wrong decision to make, but I think the politics behind it drove that decision |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by EmmGee: 5:24pm On Jun 13, 2018 |
Ibime:Madrid claim spain were aware/informed about the negotiations |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 6:04pm On Jun 13, 2018 |
Nihilstjnr: Even though Spain is for all, Someone like Guardiola is fiercely pro-Catalan and if he were to be made a NT coach there wont be any doubt where his allegiance lies, All former or current Spanish coaches will have which side of the divide to fall. Hierro the new guy is also a Madridista, former Madrid captain and former youth team coach of Madrid Players like Pique are very vocal anti Spain yet they continue to get played, why didnt he use the "All Spain" argument to exclude Pique and those with extreme political views Its not like the Lopetegui guy has been thinking about the Madrid job for a long time, Zidane resigned less than 2 weeks ago, so the entire Madrid contact was probably less than a week in duration He wont resume in Madrid until after the world cup, so why destroy the dreams of all the kids and players who have been looking to win a world cup for the past 4yrs. The FA chairman is just a drama queen, I think most of the players will be in support of just playing the WC with the Lope guy rather than derail 48hrs to playing Portugal 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nihilstjnr: 6:15pm On Jun 13, 2018 |
raumdeuter: I doubt Guardiola would be current Barca coach and still be Spain Manager. Julen was in a unique position of being an incumbent Real Madrid manager. Politically his position was untenable. You make a great point about Pique, but don’t forget that the player himself recognised the conflict of interest during the Catalan independence crisis last year, and even offered to retire from Spanish NT if the FA decided he was a nuisance. Of course, Pique being one of the biggest names in world football will be less dispensable than a Spanish coach who has yet to achieve anything substantial in his career, but the fact that Pique felt that he may be forced to retire over his political views shows that this was and is a pretty serious issue 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 6:37pm On Jun 13, 2018 |
Nihilstjnr: What do you think of Ozil and Gundogan taking pictures with Turkish president Erdogan and Gundog calling him "My President" |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nihilstjnr: 6:56pm On Jun 13, 2018 |
raumdeuter: Im not sure there is any merit to answering this question. Players have taken drugs, raped women, beat up fans or bystanders, stolen cars, and even killed people and still made their way into various football squads. Like Pique in my previous post, Players are unique in being both saleable assets as well as employees. For National Teams that can often have access to even smaller talent pools than a league 2 club, then the top players can be given a considerable amount of leeway to misyarn and misdo Spain coach is not a player. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by pamcode(m): 6:57pm On Jun 13, 2018 |
I understand the politics and the issue of ethics surrounding the decision to sack lopetugui but I feel it a wrong decision football wise to sack a coach two days before the opener in the world Cup nevertheless the extent of damage would be determined by how deep Hierro was into Lopetugui's plan. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nihilstjnr: 7:17pm On Jun 13, 2018 |
pamcode: I can’t see how Spain don’t fracture into splinters in the dressing room after this. It’s being widely reported that Sergio Ramos led a delegation of players to petition the Spanish FA to keep Lopetegui - That’s the current Real Madrid captain trying to keep the current Real Madrid manager in the Spanish Hotseat. Some could see that as a factional powerplay. Imagine how that would have been reported if that move had worked Tactically, I think Spain don’t really need a coach. That squad is comprised of some of the most accomplished footballers in the history of game, and have played together for many years, in some cases for well over a decade. Them Sabi the work wella. But I think the Spain Coach isn’t really there for tactics. Of course, he will pick a game plan and run drills etc, but these players are super elite. They can run the play. I think the Spain coach’s job is similar to Zidanes at Madrid - Keep the peace, satiate the egos, and unite the factions, so that the world class talent can fully focus on their work on the pitch Can Hierro do all of that especially in such limited time? Let’s wait and see 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by TalabiAudu: 7:48pm On Jun 13, 2018 |
raumdeuter: ![]() ![]() ![]() This thing has happened 4 years ago!!! Let it die now. Why do you hate someone to the core like this ![]() |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by pamcode(m): 8:12pm On Jun 13, 2018 |
Nihilstjnr:Who is the Spanish captain now? Ramos or Iniesta? Whoever it is has an important role to play. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 8:25pm On Jun 13, 2018 |
Nihilstjnr: What I heard was Ramos led a group of senior players including Busquets Pique David Silva to defend Lopetegui and play the world cup. They are all from either side of the aisle Madrid, Catalan and neutral Every team needs a coach, Maybe not against the Djibouti but by the time you get to face Brazil, Germany etc, you need a coach. There are in-game maneuvers and tactical changes that you need to respond to immediately And you are trivializing Zidane's input in Madrid, peace keeping is not the reason he was able to win Europe 3 times in a row vs the best tacticians out there and it wasn't like Madrid was winning everyday before him 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Roland17(m): 8:54pm On Jun 13, 2018 |
raumdeuter: In my opinion it is absurd and disrespectful to the office of the German Chancellor and Germans. I am not speaking because Erdogan is hated by the west, particularly members of the G7, but because loyalty should lie with the nation you hold citizenship with. 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Roland17(m): 8:59pm On Jun 13, 2018 |
pamcode: Irrespective of who captains this team, truth is, the already divided Spanish team has been further disintegrated by the sacking of Lope and appointment of Hierro whom we all know is loyal to capital. This is too much distraction for a contender even though I feel Spain have been underwhelming based on recent showings. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by PDPGuy: 9:18pm On Jun 13, 2018 |
Spain have done what African FAs typically do ![]() ![]() But seriously, I don't support sacking a coach merely a day to the start of a major tournament such as the World Cup. The destabilizing effects on the players cannot be over-emphasized. Or is the Spanish FA president so arrogant to believe that the players will carry on and blitz through their opponents without some sort of stability and tranquility in camp? Hierro, himself an accomplished player, should have rejected this offer; because if Spain fail to progress to the round of 16 or the quarterfinals, he will be regarded as a failure. And that could soil any future big coaching prospects he had. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by PDPGuy: 9:20pm On Jun 13, 2018 |
World cup pop quiz: Name the only African team to have won a senior FIFA men's world cup group? |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nobody: 9:28pm On Jun 13, 2018 |
Roland17: As a dual citizen, loyalty should be to the country you reside in and has helped you the most. Ozil and Gundogan are just brainless twats. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nihilstjnr: 9:29pm On Jun 13, 2018 |
Roland17: Na wa for you o. So a Turk should just forget about the land of his ancestors, simply because he holds German kpali. Since when did adopting a personal political stance depend on avoiding conflict with others? |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nihilstjnr: 9:32pm On Jun 13, 2018 |
Vanquay: Gundogan and Ozil reside in England and got their biggest ever payday here. By your definition, they should be posing for pictures while prostrating full dobale for Meghan Markle, and Harry their everlasting Alaye |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Debroslink: 9:37pm On Jun 13, 2018 |
PDPGuy: Nigeria in USA 94 and France 98 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Roland17(m): 9:39pm On Jun 13, 2018 |
Nihilstjnr: Baba, this is not about emotional convictions on heritage and roots especially when speaking in public. If you are a dual citizen, I would hope you would not make the monumental mistake of not showing loyalty to the nation where you are a citizen. Like said earlier, my disdain for their actions has nothing to do with their support for Erdogan's government (political positions differ) but to publicly say "My President" is flat out unacceptable and disrespectful to the office of the German Chancellor. As far as the world is concerned, Ozil and Gundogan are Germans, consequently, loyalty should remain with Germany. If they are tired, they can revoke their citizenship and move to Germany. 4 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by PDPGuy: 9:42pm On Jun 13, 2018 |
Debroslink:Correct! |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nihilstjnr: 9:43pm On Jun 13, 2018 |
Roland17: You do realise that the phrase ‘Dual Citizen’, means citizen of TWO countries right? |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Roland17(m): 9:46pm On Jun 13, 2018 |
Nihilstjnr: I and many others on this forum live in the United States and when you take your oath of Naturalization, for those who are citizens, the judge makes it clears that your loyalty is WITH ONLY THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. The use of dual citizenship is purely for flexibility and not constitutional as far as the United States is concerned. Read the Naturalization Oath of Allegiance to the United States of America below carefully. "I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty, of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the Armed Forces of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law; and that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me God." 5 Likes 3 Shares |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nobody: 9:49pm On Jun 13, 2018 |
Nihilstjnr: England hasn't helped them the most, that s Germany. Ozil would not be a star player today if not for the infrastructure Germany laid in place, and they spent a big chunk of their formative years in Germany so at the end of the day they should be servicing Merkel every night instead of kissing Edorgans ass. 3 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Roland17(m): 9:57pm On Jun 13, 2018 |
Vanquay: Both players were born in Gelsenkirchen, Germany. This is not even a naturalization situation, consequently, their allegiance rests with Germany until they revoke their citizenship. Simple!!! I support the boos they are receiving, they were immature in their actions. There is noting wrong in being pictured with Erdogan in my opinion, its the irresponsible use of "My president" that annoys the Germans booing both players. 3 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ibime(m): 10:07pm On Jun 13, 2018 |
PDPGuy: Nigeria 1994 |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nihilstjnr: 10:11pm On Jun 13, 2018 |
Roland17: What does America have to do with Turks and Germans ffs? ![]() Also did they tell you Ozil and Gundogan had to hussle for German Kpali? Both were born and raised in Germany. It’s Nigerians who are running away from Buhari induced suffering that are willing to renounce anything remouncable- some will renounce their parents, children, even their Gender . Raumdeuter that is as black as midnight agreed that he was an albino so he could get green card, so please leave all that one at the door, unless you were there with Angela Merkel forcing Ozil and Gundogan to only recognise German president. Speaking of, since you’re in Yankee, then you should know about the multitude of Americans chanting ‘Not my president’ in the wake of the Trump electoral victory. YG and Nipseyhustle released a song literally called ‘Fück Donald Trump’. All the celebrities lined up to abuse the guy. Robert De Niro led a crowded hall of celebrities in chanting ‘fück Donald Trump’ at an award Gala. Nobody can deport them or send them no damn where. They are Americans. I won’t advise you to join them sha. You know you had to renounce Buhari and Dino Melaye for that Kpali. If you even complain about go slow lasaan, FBI can bundle you straight and dump you at Ikeja-along sharply. Lastly, I leave you with the words of Angela Merkel, the leader of this same Germany. When discussing the Ozil and Gundogan picture, she said: "I'd like to think to play a good World Cup we need them all now, and they belong to this national team, and that's why I'd be delighted if a few fans could applaud them as well." Lobatan. Alaga Germany ti soro...and you ain’t more German than her 6 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by PDPGuy: 10:15pm On Jun 13, 2018 |
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