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PointZerom:


Give them your father's land first. Stop posting rubbing here.

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Save your lack of manners for your landlord. Thank you.

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Chuksonyeike:


But you want bitteripods lands for ranches for terrorist herdsmen to help in propagating your religion?

The only reason why you support this terrorists is because they share the same religion with you

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Do you even have land to give? Get out of my mention.

vedaxcool:


Save your lack of manners for your landlord. Thank you.

Lol...so you can't give them your father's land and you want mine?.

vedaxcool:
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Do you even have land to give? Get out of my mention.

Shut up.

Mylove55:
will the jobless evil PDP support financial aid to herdsmen to build ranches in their various state as farmers are supported financially by government?


According to your point,
Is The port built by Igbos?
Will the Igbo's dredge rivers by themselves?

Go and ask your state Governors to use their allocation to build ranches for your terrorist brothers. We neither have the funds nor lands for that in the south and middle belt

vedaxcool:
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Do you even have land to give? Get out of my mention.

Thank God you know this fact. Kindly educate your terrorist brothers to let them know and quickly return to sambisa forest

PointZerom:



Give them your father's land first.

I don't have father's land. And i dont want one. I hate that. That's the problem. This ancestors crap annoys me. What exactly do you people do with the lands except fight and kill yourselves over land and the land remain barren for decades. I have said before that if i have land that is prone to grazing, I will sell it at big profit to the govt for grazing. I remembered a Jamaica co-worker of mine 11yrs ago said to me that Africa has land but are not useful. What is the use of the land when they serve no purpose?. Sell the land to federal govt as it is done in advanced countries and get huge payout and in return, you relinquish the deed of the land. If govt wants to resell, lease, build institutions or for ranches, memorials, parks, playground, that is easy. It can be privatized as well. This same applies to lands in the North and East.

But all these my father land, my grandpa land, this land, that land are just useless and people kill themselves over selfishness. Yoruba movies perfectly portray this, isn't?. This is why most lands in SW are not developed bcus family kills themselves over it.

Chuksonyeike:


No one is stopping them from ranching. They should go ahead and use their monies to buy lands and develop their ranches like other livestock farmers do.What did the FG do for piggery, goat,poultry and other livestock farmers? Why should theirs be different?

Lol, don't you hear calls in recent time by fed to pump money into agriculture?. I understand that sometimes, we tend to be defensive when a new strategy is proposed. But with time we reason to it and work it out. The bad news is you keeping talking about Fulanis should buy land. If they buy land in SW/SE, you should know that they have absolute authority over the land in your own region,. That's why it is the govt that should buy land. You guys are really local. Fulani's proposal is advanced one. It resembles that of western world

ranching is certainly the way forward.


I think the issue is the way & manner the FG is going about it. the impression seems to be that the ranches are for the Fulani's only & I doubt this... the FG needs to clarify that aspect.


furthermore, in most northern states, some businesses are not allowed to operate or are severely restricted... such as sale of alcohol, piggery. so if the northerners put restriction on some southern businesses, restricting the northerners (in terms of FG funded ranching) can be seen as retaliatory in a way.


the key things are:

1. further discussions between the affected parties... also clarify if the ranches are government owned or private;

2. a clear statement from the herders that they would cease all hostilities & be ready to pay compensations for farm lands destroyed in the interim before the ranches are established;


3. clear cut guidelines on the modalities through which the FG will assist the herders acquire the land, taxes to be paid, operational modalities etc;


4. the immediate withdrawal from lands presently occupied by the herders through violence;


5. FG should stop acting as a mouth piece for the herders...



those who say the FG built irrigation dams, airports etc for businesses have a point, but those facilities belong to the government & not the private businesses making use of the facilities...

to stop the killings, reason must prevail on all sides...

Empiree:
I don't have father's land. And i dont want one. I hate that. That's the problem. This ancestors crap annoys me. What exactly do you people do with the lands except fight and kill yourselves over land and the land remain barren for decades. I have said before that if i have land that is prone to grazing, I will sell it at big profit to the govt for grazing. I remembered a Jamaica co-worker of mine 11yrs ago said to me that Africa has land but are not useful. What is the use of the land when they serve no purpose?. Sell the land to federal govt as it is done in advanced countries and get huge payout and in return, you relinquish the deed of the land. If govt wants to resell, lease, build institutions or for ranches, memorials, parks, playground, that is easy. It can be privatized as well. This same applies to lands in the North and East.

But all these my father land, my grandpa land, this land, that land are just useless and people kill themselves over selfishness. Yoruba movies perfectly portray this, isn't?. This is why most lands in SW are not developed bcus family kills themselves over it.

first you lack understanding of how things work in d south ,you can't force me to give what's mine when you have yours ,d north has d largest land mass in d country ,sambisa forest has also bin cleared n taken back from boko haram so why can't d so called grazing n ranching starts from there ,using port as an example of why government should be responsible for creating ranching is so shallow,tell me any where in d world where goverment us responsible for d ranches n grazing n I will show you a country stuck in d 1800 ,look know no amount of emotional bull dozing will get u guys free land in the south .

Did federal government build dam for anambra state farmers? Why haven't them started with the land provided for them by Kanu state government. You restrict southerners From doing certain business like alcoholic in the north but want them to accept your own business down south. Must there be ranch all over Nigeria, what stops them to start it from states like kanu, kastina. Yobe, kaduna first

Chuksonyeike:

Go and ask your state Governors to use their allocation to build ranches for your terrorist brothers. We neither have the funds nor lands for that in the south and middle belt

it is federal government that will give the financial aid like that of farmers financial aid.

The bone of contention is that the evil forces in Nigeria don't want peace to reign in Nigeria spearheaded by the jobless aggressive lazy idiotic pigs of Biafra party PDP.

Empiree:
Lol, don't you hear calls in recent time by fed to pump money into agriculture?. I understand that sometimes, we tend to be defensive when a new strategy is proposed. But with time we reason to it and work it out. The bad news is you keeping talking about Fulanis should buy land. If they buy land in SW/SE, you should know that they have absolute authority over the land in your own region,. That's why it is the govt that should buy land. You guys are really local. Fulani's proposal is advanced one. It resembles that of western world

Government should buy lands for private business people? What sort of weed are you smoking? How come the FG is not purchasing land for other businessmen ?

Mylove55:
it is federal government that will give the financial aid like that of farmers financial aid.

The bone of contention is that the evil forces in Nigeria don't want peace to reign in Nigeria spearheaded by the jobless aggressive lazy idiotic pigs of Biafra party PDP.

Your terrorist brothers should first build their ranches like poultry and piggery farmers before waiting for government aid.Waiting to use public funds to develop other people's business will never happen in this country

ivandragon:
ranching is certainly the way forward.


I think the issue is the way & manner the FG is going about it. the impression seems to be that the ranches are for the Fulani's only & I doubt this... the FG needs to clarify that aspect.


furthermore, in most northern states, some businesses are not allowed to operate or are severely restricted... such as sale of alcohol, piggery. so if the northerners put restriction on some southern businesses, restricting the northerners (in terms of FG funded ranching) can be seen as retaliatory in a way.


the key things are:

1. further discussions between the affected parties... also clarify if the ranches are government owned or private;

2. a clear statement from the herders that they would cease all hostilities & be ready to pay compensations for farm lands destroyed in the interim before the ranches are established;


3. clear cut guidelines on the modalities through which the FG will assist the herders acquire the land, taxes to be paid, operational modalities etc;


4. the immediate withdrawal from lands presently occupied by the herders through violence;


5. FG should stop acting as a mouth piece for the herders...



those who say the FG built irrigation dams, airports etc for businesses have a point, but those facilities belong to the government & not the private businesses making use of the facilities...

to stop the killings, reason must prevail on all sides...

I like your point,
But I disagreed with the view that fg is a mouthpiece of the herders.
No.
Fg is trying to make peace

PointZerom:



Sambisa was a game reserve, they abandoned it and at the end it became a den for terrorists. What makes you think that these creatures won't do the same here?.

Let them buy land to do their business like others.

will you now give them your father's land to buy?

Today they tell us that killer herdsmen are from libya tomorrow they want to build ranch for them. The federal government themself is not consistent in their demand

Why not start building your ranches in Northwest and Northeast who have offered land for that purpose?

Empiree:
you guys want no peace at all. You make no sense. Having ranch reserves is modern way. Fulanis are proposing modernity or modern dimension to cow rearing. And you are the same people who condemn fulani should you see them rear cows in the streets. Talk about hypocrisy.

And what stops then from converting all the land in NW and NE to grazing reserves? What concerns the south and part of NC with your wandering marauders private cattle business? Is there farming reserves, piggery reserves, Livestock(poultry) ranches exclusive for southerners in the north? It seems you're not getting the memo, irrespective of political affiliation, nobody in the south and the larger part of NC want to live with blood thirsty demon who values the life of cow than human life. Is that too hard to understand? or must we pass the message in Arabic or fulfulde before you understand?
Grazing reserves will only be welcome in Yoruba land if and only if the operators will be anybody/anything but bloodthirsty Fulani herdsmen. kwa ji kwo

Ovamboland:
See those who think they are good people but in reality bigots avoiding this thread like plague.

Government gives subsidy to farmers to buy fertilizer, nobody shouted it's Private business and government should stay off.

At huge cost the government builds dams at many river basins to irrigate farms.

They train farmers usually free of charge to adopt modern methods.

They sometimes provide free seedlings and encourage farmers to adopt it for increased yeild.

Many governments buy tractors and attachments to be rented by farmers.

But why is it such a bad thing to establish ranching reserves?

Why is it wrong to train herdsmen to stop nomadic life and embrace ranching?

Will it be a bad thing to buy milking machine for rent to herdsmen to improve our dairy Industry and reduce milk import?

Will it be a bad thing to have fat healthy cows instead of the lean diseased types common today?



When the opposition was in power their last government released 100 billion naira to all 36 states to establish ranches. Due to the corrupt hallmark and incompetence no state used the money for the purpose. Now they claim to be champions by opposing a solution they themselves proposed and paid for, only weak minds take them serious.

The truth is obvious, the opposition don't truly want the farmers/herdsmen clashes to stop, they want to obstruct any solution and hopefully ride on the blood flow and associated anger back into office. Very wicked people.

Govt built dams
How many dams were built in the south? Majority of the dams were built in the north where they largely practice agriculture.
So what is the business of cattle colonies in the South and NC when they are not cattle rearers?
When will govt create livestock(poultry)/Piggery colonies across the country for southerners who are largely into livestock(poultry) farming, and also create farm settlements for the middle beltans?

The fact remains that the federal government has been funding the greed and subsidizing the needs of the leeches up North since time immemorial.
It's in record that every Agricultural program and policies always favours the north (mostly Hausa Fulani)
While they receive free fertilizers and every other Agricultural incentives, their counterparts in the south source for it on their own, knowing fully well that this same northerners that receives handsout never pays taxes compared to well organized Agricultural sector in the South (most especially southwest). Go and ask how much poultry farms in the Oyo-Ogun axis pays as taxes annually despite their high cost of production compared to fulani wanderers that his only job is to lead cows into people's farm to graze? They don't spend money on anything except some few vaccines and they sell their cattles has high as 300k still they don't pay tax.
still they want free land from the government, you think the rest of Nigerians are fools?
If a poultry farmer in the south with capital base less than 1million can cater for himself and still pay taxes, Fulani cattle breeders with capital base close to a Billion should be able to fend for themselves.

Empiree:
you guys want no peace at all. You make no sense. Having ranch reserves is modern way. Fulanis are proposing modernity or modern dimension to cow rearing. And you are the same people who condemn fulani should you see them rear cows in the streets. Talk about hypocrisy.

Take your ranches to Sokoto state.

ivandragon:
ranching is certainly the way forward.


I think the issue is the way & manner the FG is going about it. the impression seems to be that the ranches are for the Fulani's only & I doubt this... the FG needs to clarify that aspect.


furthermore, in most northern states, some businesses are not allowed to operate or are severely restricted... such as sale of alcohol, piggery. so if the northerners put restriction on some southern businesses, restricting the northerners (in terms of FG funded ranching) can be seen as retaliatory in a way.


the key things are:

1. further discussions between the affected parties... also clarify if the ranches are government owned or private;

2. a clear statement from the herders that they would cease all hostilities & be ready to pay compensations for farm lands destroyed in the interim before the ranches are established;


3. clear cut guidelines on the modalities through which the FG will assist the herders acquire the land, taxes to be paid, operational modalities etc;


4. the immediate withdrawal from lands presently occupied by the herders through violence;


5. FG should stop acting as a mouth piece for the herders...



those who say the FG built irrigation dams, airports etc for businesses have a point, but those facilities belong to the government & not the private businesses making use of the facilities...

to stop the killings, reason must prevail on all sides...

Good I only reply reasonable people with genuine interest in progress, not dunderheads who have no clue and serve as cogs in the wheel of progress.

For me and as you have pointed out, the ranches should belong entirely to the FG or state government. I prefer the control and operation to be state affairs. The land title should remain with the state.
Residential structure should be built by government and leased out, no village or shanty should be allowed in the reserve.
Ensure that any resident can rent space in the reserve.
Pass laws to restrict movement of cattle out side the ranches to trucks or vehicles.

These are reasonable ways to engage the proposal and foster peace and development, rather than throw away the baby with the bath water. Let's offer suggestions to ameliorate the fears of Land grabbing or emirate declaration.

Mylove55:
will they come close to your village or to your father's house.

They will be far away from people ,

The ranches will be built in reserve area like isolated area .

Take your cows to Sambisa Forest.

IslamicRebel01:


You sounded like the evil muslim you are.

Simple and short!!..no two ways about it.

Mylove55:
I like your point,
But I disagreed with the view that fg is a mouthpiece of the herders.
No.
Fg is trying to make peace

maybe mouthpiece is extreme...

but when you consider that the FG has been vehement in the condemnation of other 'troublesome' groups it leaves room for concern.


pmb has made about 2 or 3 national speeches where he specifically condemned the major groups except the herdsmen...


the FG must be seen as been fair to all.

EternalTruths:



Take your cows to Sambisa Forest.

boycott cow meat before taking it to sambisa forest.

Mylove55:
boycott cow meat before taking it to sambisa forest.

Very soon , we will erect a border to separate Fulani Terrorists from the rest of Nigeria.

ivandragon:
ranching is certainly the way forward.


I think the issue is the way & manner the FG is going about it. the impression seems to be that the ranches are for the Fulani's only & I doubt this... the FG needs to clarify that aspect.


furthermore, in most northern states, some businesses are not allowed to operate or are severely restricted... such as sale of alcohol, piggery. so if the northerners put restriction on some southern businesses, restricting the northerners (in terms of FG funded ranching) can be seen as retaliatory in a way.

This is baseless. Alcohol has nothing to do with southern business but it's prohibited. It's not only southerners that sell alcohol.

the key things are:

1. further discussions between the affected parties... also clarify if the ranches are government owned or private;

2. a clear statement from the herders that they would cease all hostilities & be ready to pay compensations for farm lands destroyed in the interim before the ranches are established;

Foolish talk. It will never work one sided. The farmers must also be ready to pay compensation for the cows they killed.

3. clear cut guidelines on the modalities through which the FG will assist the herders acquire the land, taxes to be paid, operational modalities etc;

Herders won't acquire any land but government will do. It's irrational for individual to own a large peace of land as a grazing reserves. And when such herder dies, his children will claim the place. And the heirs can decide to change the reserve to Houses. Grazing Reserve are owned by government not private individuals.

4. the immediate withdrawal from lands presently occupied by the herders through violence;

Tell us the land they occupy? Herders that move from 1 place to another. How can they occupy land?

5. FG should stop acting as a mouth piece for the herders...

Tell us who FG is doing that.

those who say the FG built irrigation dams, airports etc for businesses have a point, but those facilities belong to the government & not the private businesses making use of the facilities...

to stop the killings, reason must prevail on all sides...

Arrant nonsense. Who says Grazing Reserve will be owned by herdmen? Same as Airport that is owned by government so as Grazing Reserve to which even you can go and rear your cattle.

Nobody is buying and giving land to any person. The land belongs to FG when purchased

ivandragon:
ranching is certainly the way forward.


I think the issue is the way & manner the FG is going about it. the impression seems to be that the ranches are for the Fulani's only & I doubt this... the FG needs to clarify that aspect.


furthermore, in most northern states, some businesses are not allowed to operate or are severely restricted... such as sale of alcohol, piggery. so if the northerners put restriction on some southern businesses, restricting the northerners (in terms of FG funded ranching) can be seen as retaliatory in a way.


the key things are:

1. further discussions between the affected parties... also clarify if the ranches are government owned or private;

2. a clear statement from the herders that they would cease all hostilities & be ready to pay compensations for farm lands destroyed in the interim before the ranches are established;


3. clear cut guidelines on the modalities through which the FG will assist the herders acquire the land, taxes to be paid, operational modalities etc;


4. the immediate withdrawal from lands presently occupied by the herders through violence;


5. FG should stop acting as a mouth piece for the herders...



those who say the FG built irrigation dams, airports etc for businesses have a point, but those facilities belong to the government & not the private businesses making use of the facilities...

to stop the killings, reason must prevail on all sides...

We always like to be hypocritically diplomatic in matters relating to the north (Hausa Fulanis), always trying to pacify them, trying fruitlessly to accommodate their primitive and savages lifestyles.
That's why IPOB was proscribe terrorists and Fulani massacre termed farmers/herders clashes.
Boko Haram terrorists were given amnesty and rehabilitated while IPOB members and various individuals who committed less crimes languish in various prison facilities.
NE was allocated billions for reconstruction from their self destruction (Boko Haram) but how much does the SE, Odi, Zak Ibiam got from State sponsored genocide and destruction that greeted their land? Mind you, I'm a full blood Yoruba man.

FG (both past and present) is always quick to declare Operation python this, Crocodile that when it comes to Non Hausa Fulanis' but will always choose the round table in issues concerning the core north. Show me one Hausa Fulani man that's behind bars for all the ethno religious crisis that has rocked Nigeria till date. While non Hausa Fulani youths were sentenced to death for the murder of one Fulani herder, Boko Haram terrorists are being released, rehabilitated and plan is on Top gear to even conscript them into the army.
Have we ever come to know the root or sponsors of this act of terror?
Even the mighty OBJ was helpless in the face of state sponsored sharia crises that bedevilled the nation in the early 2000. The only solution he provides was that "sharia will die a natural death", leaving the fate of lives and properties to nature.

To your points:

1. When are we going to have discussions about Piggery ranch, Poultry ranch, Farm settlements, Clubs and Beer parlours, Distilling companies being set up and managed by non Hausa Fulanis in the core north?

2. Who gave Fulanis the monopoly of violence that they are to be persuaded to cease hostilities and destructions? and you think we're not in a Banana Republic? what happens to prosecuting them for the crimes they've committed?

3. If only they will set up modalities for those in No. 1 above.

4. Oh, we also need to beg the Fulanis to leave the ancestral lands of people they massacred because they are 1st class citizens abi? What happens to the security forces ejecting this alien land grabbers and prosecuting them?

Cc: lalasticlacla front page pls

CodeTemplar:
Point 1 - govt subsidizes fertilizer but same fertilizers go into the cultivation of grass and other livestock feed.
2. Irrigation water can also serve ranches just like it serves farmers. Take poultry farmers for example. Their feed comes from a farm and grass for herds can be cultivated.
3. The training farmers get is applicable to herders if the grow what their liuestock eats like poultry farmers grow grains for chickens.
4. There are seeds applicable to herds feed also. It is a matter of the herders agreeing to grow what their livestock feed on.
5. Let them rent and pay for tractors like other poultry farmers who grow grains.


Conclusion - Govt can't leave poultry farmers paying tax and start planting grass for foreigners.

The herdsmen are only lazy,they dont want to work hard to earn feeding for their cattles... Let them attend nomadic schools to get knowledge..

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We always like to be hypocritically diplomatic in matters relating to the north (Hausa Fulanis), always trying to pacify them, trying fruitlessly to accommodate their primitive and savages lifestyles.
That's why IPOB was proscribe terrorists and Fulani massacre termed farmers/herders clashes.
Boko Haram terrorists were given amnesty and rehabilitated while IPOB members and various individuals who committed less crimes languish in various prison facilities.
NE was allocated billions for reconstruction from their self destruction (Boko Haram) but how much does the SE, Odi, Zak Ibiam got from State sponsored genocide and destruction that greeted their land? Mind you, I'm a full blood Yoruba man.

FG (both past and present) is always quick to declare Operation python this, Crocodile that when it comes to Non Hausa Fulanis' but will always choose the round table in issues concerning the core north. Show me one Hausa Fulani man that's behind bars for all the ethno religious crisis that has rocked Nigeria till date. While non Hausa Fulani youths were sentenced to death for the murder of one Fulani herder, Boko Haram terrorists are being released, rehabilitated and plan is on Top gear to even conscript them into the army.
Have we ever come to know the root or sponsors of this act of terror?
Even the mighty OBJ was helpless in the face of state sponsored sharia crises that bedevilled the nation in the early 2000. The only solution he provides was that "sharia will die a natural death", leaving the fate of lives and properties to nature.

To your points:

1. When are we going to have discussions about Piggery ranch, Poultry ranch, Farm settlements, Clubs and Beer parlours, Distilling companies being set up and managed by non Hausa Fulanis in the core north?

2. Who gave Fulanis the monopoly of violence that they are to be persuaded to cease hostilities and destructions? and you think we're not in a Banana Republic? what happens to prosecuting them for the crimes they've committed?

3. If only they will set up modalities for those in No. 1 above.

4. Oh, we also need to beg the Fulanis to leave the ancestral lands of people they massacred because they are 1st class citizens abi? What happens to the security forces ejecting this alien land grabbers and prosecuting them?

Cc: lalasticlacla front page pls








the only hypocritical people are those who seek to substitute the violence with... nothing...


a lot of you condemn but have no alternative to peaceful resolutions. my points are not total, but it is a suggestion for the way forward.


the issue of doing certain businesses in the north was raised by me. its part of what the FG should look into.


if the Fulanis think they are first class citizens, it is because the masses in the south have allowed themselves to be sold out by leaders...


for instance, tinubu has not categorically condemned the killings, & he supports pmb, yet, he has multitudes ready to accept whichever direct he takes even when its obviously leading them to perdition...

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PointZerom:



Lol...so you can't give them your father's land and you want mine?.

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vedaxcool:




Save your lack of manners for your landlord. Thank you.