elrony:


Stop running around in circles sir and screaming logic upandan.
You brought up De Gea and Navas not me.

All to discredit Kroos you claimed he is not a key part of the Madrid set up, I'm still amused by this.

When Kroos and KDB is involved, Kroos is ahead of KDB ... doesn't mean KDB is not a good player.

You are now trapped so your best bet is to avoid your own argument.

If Kroos being a starter for a team that won UCL back to back to back is the reason he is better than KDB why should that same reason not hold true when Navas and De Gea are involved?

Bringing up RM trying to purchase DDG as a reason for him being better than Navas is my own argument. Because I am the one saying that KDB does everything midfielders should do, better than Kroos does it even if Kroos has won more as a footballer.

Eruditor:


Boy, I'm not as intelligent as you are giving me credit for. For e.g I don't have the ability to understand the gibberish you are typing.

Messi dribbles better than Zaha.
Scores more.
Assists more.

Even if Messi had won nothing like Zaha, Messi will still be a better player. Emphasis on BETTER.

oh empasis on better?okay lets see kroos is better playmaker,more press resistant,more fotballing IQ,better passer,doesnt choke in big stage,kroos dictates play far more than KDB,yeah i give the ginger prince credit for more athleticm and goal scoring[considering he plays more higher the pitch than kroos in his average career since 2014 not suprising]ahhh anyway make i crash.

Eruditor:


He is not a key figure. Just like Carvahal or Kevlor Navas. They are good players but the team would have won without them.

I have two questions for you.. At 28 what was xavi's achievement..
Then can you explain Kroos role in the madrid team?

madrid5:
what makes debruyne better than ruben neves?

His passing range is better.
His shot taking is better.
He is substantially more intelligent and makes better decisions under pressure.
He assists more.
Scores more.
Covers more distance.

Eruditor:


You are now trapped so your best bet is to avoid your own argument.

If Kroos being a starter for a team that won UCL back to back to back is the reason he is better than KDB why should that same reason not hold true when Navas and De Gea are involved?

Bringing up RM trying to purchase DDG as a reason for him being better than Navas is my own argument. Because I am the one saying that KDB does everything midfielders should do, better than Kroos does it even if Kroos has won more as a footballer.

Eruditor, Kroos over De Bruyne !
I stuck to the subject of discourse.
Thanks!

raumdeuter:


I will watch it later and give a detailed response but first thing he mentioned Arjen Robben 2014/15 season and compared to Hazard. The season Arjen Robben got injured and played about 1600 league mins is what he is comparing to Hazard full season

Yeah I'm waiting for the detailed response, i was shoked that this hazard mata don go far, when i saw d video i say i must show oga dayo dis to do counter attack

Nihilstjnr:


nobody said Kroos is not a good player.

but good yato si best.

some animals are more equal than others.

Ozil is a good player - when he's not surrounded by quality he looks likes a dog's vomit

KDB has never played with teammates of Kroos quality.

Casemiro benched the living daylights out of Fernandinho for Brazil.

Modric was voted best player at a WC...unlike Silva.


And that's just the midfield o


There is something known as kickback püssy - sometimes you go clubbing with a mega baller that buys like 20 bottles in the club. All the girls flock to his table...He picks like 2 or 3, and by virtue of being in his entourage, you just mop up what falls in your lap- no questions asked and certainly no discussion.

You think there's no benefit to playing with a 5 time WPOTY? what did you think Ororo was winning all those awards for?

Kroos is benefiting from the kickback püssy that Ororo attracted to the table.

Who will not benefit from playing with Ororo?!
Did he also benefit from ORORO IN 2014... Or did he benefit from Ororo when Bayern won the UCL..

No offence Nihilist but your argument doesn't make any real sense

Eruditor:


His passing range is better.
His shot taking is better.
He is substantially more intelligent and makes better decisions under pressure.
He assists more.
Scores more.
Covers more distance.

because he plays with better team mates(400 million teammates),a better coach ,thats why you think he is better

madrid5:
oh empasis on better?okay lets see kroos is better playmaker,more press resistant,more fotballing IQ,better passer,doesnt choke in big stage,kroos dictates play far more than KDB,yeah i give the ginger prince credit for more athleticm and goal scoring[considering he plays more higher the pitch than kroos in his average career since 2014 not suprising]ahhh anyway make i crash.

At least we are getting somewhere.

Kroos does not make plays. He is a perpetual recycler of the ball. Does not make risky passes. Is lazy on the ball and cannot mark to save his life. Kroos is quite intelligent, but he is not near as intelligent as KDB. If he was, he would make more assists which he cant because he does not see the game like KDB. Kroos is also not a better passer. He has range and accuracy, but where Kroos has to be told where to put the ball, KDB often sees it light years ahead. I have not seen any game where Kroos dictated the play except you are talking about Modric here.

And KDB does not play higher up than Kroos. That is a big fat lie.

madrid5:
because he plays with better team mates(400 million teammates),a better coach ,thats why you think he is better

He did these things in Wolfsburg even before meeting Pep.

Again... I really don't get how this is even an argument... Like FFS!!! We talking bout Toni Kroos here

liveLongNprospa:


I have two questions for you.. At 28 what was xavi's achievement..
Then can you explain Kroos role in the madrid team?

Achievement is not ability. They are two distinct things entirely.

That is why Manuel Neuer is a better keeper than Navas even though Navas has won the greatest club trophy (achievement) more times than Neuer.

liveLongNprospa:
Again... I really don't get how this is even an argument... Like FFS!!! We talking bout Toni Kroos here

And so. He is over rated as in he has always played surrounded by world class players (Bayern,
Germany, Real) which has allowed him to show all of his strengths in possession
and minimized his lack of ability off of it. He couldnt make a struggling team a
contender like kdb did at wolfsburg with higher work rate and abilities
off the ball. He is a side ways pass merchant.

Eruditor:


He did these things in Wolfsburg even before meeting Pep.

just like kroos was already better than debruyne before he stepped foot on Madrid,so the useless modric and co dragged him to 3 champions league is a big nonsense,KDB is undoubtedly better than neves,but his levels are the Ericksons and coutihno of this world not a living legend.

Eruditor:


I can ask for one game that Kroos dominated in and you would not name it.

Really? I will give you recent examples.

The 2017/2018 round of 16 UCL against Napoli, I hope you remember that game, if not, look it up on YouTube. He was master class.

Last gasp free kick against Sweden at the recently concluded world cup in Russia gave the German's 2nd round qualification hopes. He dominated that game and controlled the game from the middle of the park.

I can go on and on..

liveLongNprospa:
Again... I really don't get how this is even an argument... Like FFS!!! We talking bout Toni Kroos here

I am tired of this people, make we dey go abeg,lol,some just called kroos a sideway pass marchant,wentin we go call xavi?

Roland17:


Really? I will give you recent examples.

The 2017/2018 round of 16 UCL against Napoli, I hope you remember that game, if not, look it up on YouTube. He was master class.

Last gasp free kick against Sweden at the recently concluded world cup in Russia gave the German's 2nd round qualification hopes. He dominated that game and controlled the game from the middle of the park.

I can go on and on..

bros nor waste your strength a local champions like de bruyne is better than kroos for them no wahala

madrid5:
just like kroos was already better than debruyne before he stepped foot on Madrid,so the useless modric and co dragged him to 3 champions league is a big nonsense,KDB is undoubtedly better than neves,but his levels are the Ericksons and coutihno of this world not a living legend.

Kroos was not..that is exactly what I am telling you and you cannot prove me wrong.

Just the same way Peter Cech (at his current state) could have been RMs goals keeper instead of Kevlor Navas and RM could still have won the UCL. Carvahal got hurt against Liverpool and nothing changed. That is how inconsequential Kroos is. He is there to minimise mistakes in RMs midfield because he is a low risk midfielder who does the simple things very well. Finish.

Eruditor:


Kroos was not..that is exactly what I am telling you and you cannot prove me wrong.

Just the same way Peter Cech (at his current state) could have been RMs goals keeper instead of Kevlor Navas and RM could still have won the UCL. Carvahal got hurt against Liverpool and nothing changed. That is how inconsequential Kroos is. He is there to minimise mistakes in RMs midfield because he is a low risk midfielder who does the simple things very well. Finish.

so is Xavi a low risk midfielder who passes sideways and to busquest,Erikson is better than xavi

Eruditor:


Kroos was not..that is exactly what I am telling you and you cannot prove me wrong.

Just the same way Peter Cech (at his current state) could have been RMs goals keeper instead of Kevlor Navas and RM could still have won the UCL. Carvahal got hurt against Liverpool and nothing changed. That is how inconsequential Kroos is. He is there to minimise mistakes in RMs midfield because he is a low risk midfielder who does the simple things very well. Finish.

Baba,

There is absolutely no fact to the inferences you have made because they did not happen, consequently, they are not factual.
No one knows for sure if Madrid would have won the title with Cech as a goalie but we know for sure that they won it with Navas and Kroos. This is not a case of could, would or may..

As far as records show, Kroos played was a starter for the title winning teams of Real Madrid. The mere fact that he stayed healthy to play all these games is a testament.

Thia is the just concluded UCL that had the so called peak KDB and the just good Kroos

liveLongNprospa:
Thia is the just concluded UCL that had the so called peak KDB and the just good Kroos

Pure and undiluted fact.

Roland17:


Pure and undiluted fact.

I would love to see the explanation somebody will give me for this... I'm tryna get KDB's sqwaka data for the just completed WC to compare with Toni's 2014 WC but KDB isn't available

Melvyn11:

bullocks..... Modrić and Kroos are untouchable. When in
form, they’re the two best midfielders in the world plus they’re usually very, very
consistent. No one comes close.

Why so pained? It has nothing to do with the EPL as your utterly myopic mind would have you think, it's based on talent and skill and that alone...

liveLongNprospa:

I would love to see the explanation somebody will give me for this... I'm tryna get KDB's sqwaka data for the just completed WC to compare with Toni's 2014 WC but KDB isn't available

Do you think they have not checked this stat? Oh trust me, they have but were disappointed, else they would have brandished it before you.

The gulf in difference is not even close. KDB is even pulling negatives in some sections sef, that is how bad the gulf is.

patrickmuf:
Why so pained? It has nothing to do with the EPL as your utterly myopic mind would have you think, it's based on talent and skill and that alone...

The interpretation of skill and talent is purely subjective my brother.

That is why, even if Hazard wins the World Cup, he would never be considered a great player in Dayo’s books.

Eruditor:


Achievement is not ability. They are two distinct things entirely.

That is why Manuel Neuer is a better keeper than Navas even though Navas has won the greatest club trophy (achievement) more times than Neuer.

I asked you a question
Who achieved more at 28 between Toni and Xavi?
And explain Toni's role for me if you really understand what he does on the field.
You are quick to list out KDB's abilities so I am pretty sure you can help out with Toni's abilities too..yes?

Roland17:

The interpretation of skill and talent is purely subjective my brother.

That is why, even if Hazard wins the World Cup, he would never be considered a great player in Dayo’s books.

So you rather have Kroos than KDB?

imagine comparing the best midfielder in the world to Toni fuckkkking kroos . Somebody should slap me ha beg.

Roland17:


Do you think they have not checked this stat? Oh trust me, they have but were disappointed, else they would have brandished it before you.

The gulf in difference is not even close. KDB is even pulling negatives in some sections sef, that is how bad the gulf is.

The insult to even come up with this comparison pains me. Truthfully I actually felt Kroos was like 30 or so. Wasn't expecting him to be just 28 and KDB to be 26..

Now I'm gonna ask Eruditor and everybody here since we all wanna drag.
Please was Xavi this good at 28.. Or was Xavi a part of a team that had won 4 UCL.. 3 CWC.. 1WC before the age of 28 ?

patrickmuf:
So you rather have Kroos than KDB?

100% no questions asked, it does not diminish KDB’s quality either because he is a good player, but in comparison to Kroos? Not for me.

patrickmuf:
So you rather have Kroos than KDB?

YES!!!!... HELL YES!!!!... HELLLLLLL YYYYEEEEESSSSSS!!!