Chelsea rejected a 25m offer from Spurs for Tammy Abraham.

TheLoneCitizen:


You're insatiable, mate, you don't want an Academy player over seasoned professional, yet you want rookie Isaac Success over seasoned Ighalo. How!

Isaac Success a rookie? Well, that explains it all

Using SE performanes should tell you that even a "make-shift" #9 like Nacho has better goals ratio in that role than Natural #9 Ighalo. Ighalo is the natural but his SE record is abysmal. Nacho is the makeshift but he is still far more clinical than Ighalo.


And for the umpteenth time, I never said Ighalo is not in form. Come on mehn! I only addressed your comment on Nacho not being in top form... What does Four goals in three preseason games tell you before the Man Utd game? Poor form huh?

edi287:

I am not dissing Nacho!! I am using SE performances!! That's why I said it's not like Nacho is in form. Is Ighalo not in form for his club too??

Joebie:
Nice catching up. I was like 6 pages behind.

This is my take on the list:

1. Akpeyi and Ezenwa has no business on SE with a 20 year old preferred to them at the WC. Ezenwa is not even the #1 goalie in Enyimba and far from one of the best in the NPFL.

2. Jamiu Collins is not new to me. I remember he was a teammate of Theophillus Solomon at the time. Is he ahead of Deji Beyreuther?

3. Rohr is predictable with his midfield. Just keeping with his promise as regards K Nwakali. He should not hesitate to drop players who fail to impress (Joel Obi inclusive). Enough of the slow substitution approach.

4. I’m okay with the forward line FOR NOW.

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TheSuperNerd:
Hey... Mbappe is better. But not waaaaayyy better. That has always been my stand. I maintain the gap in quality between both is not large at all. Nacho trumps in certain attributes just as Mbappe trumps in several other attributes among which is his insane "road runner" speed. But again... Wetin concern Mbappe for this matter? It doesn't bother me that anyone even thinks Akpom is better than Nacho. My own is this... You are WRONG to say Nacho is not in good, fine or top form right now especially after seeing his preseason stats coming into the new season that just began last weekend. Haba... Na wa for you. Just dissing Nacho anyhow.

Iheanacho-Mbappe not even a debate. Probably all wingers can play as strikers, but very few wingers can substitute as strikers. Mbappe is light years ahead of Iheanacho, light years, brother.

andrew444:
I told you guys that Dinosaur rohr will call ighalo again.

The rantings now can begin

I told you guys that saren bazee doesn't deserved to be called up

Now why the hell is kelechi nwakali in that squad ?

As far as I am concerned that dude doesn't deserved to be there

I don't mind Rohr having Ighalo's back. It's a win win for the striker if u ask me. He does not have to face Nigerians and if he can't score an hat trick against Seychelles then he needs to be banned . It is the right thing to do even though unpopular, Ighalo earned the call with his performances. 8 goals in 8 since the world cup can not be classified as beans.

I must say I don't like the list. Awaziem should not be making the team over an Efe Ambrose who has been on fire for his club and yes I am miffed that Ezenwa can make it over Theo who did so well in Enyimba's last match. Ezenwa has been inactive since the world cup, at least other NPFL keepers can say they actually player friendlies but not him. Also for crying out loud why not call up a couple of those boys as a pat on the back for their CAF performance? Like I said it is Seychelles we are talking about here, call me cocky but this should be a walk in the park.

ChrisKels:


Isaac Success a rookie? Well, that explains it all

Yes, he is a professional, seasoned, tested top player. So where is he, brother?

Agbo is not a creative central midfielder. K.Nwakali is. We need to start exploring options in the creative Dept of our midfield.

Ebere Eze will get his chance with time I believe. Just that right now, Rohr wanna first have a look at K.Nwakali who he has since noticed before Russia 2018. Semi Ajayi's call up shows that Rohr got his eyes on the Championship. Etebo is also playing there so Rohr's eyes has to be there.

charlesemeka85:
this kelechi nwakali is yet to convince me and handing him a call up in the expense of a more deserving player like agbo is injustice. this kid is yet to do any thing tangible since leaving the shores of africa for europe but gets hyped always as the heir to john obi mikel. its high time rohr sound out a player like billing anyanwu to know if he is willing to switch allegiance to nigeria before his country of birth(denmark) caps him. also ebere eze is another worthy alternative who should be monitored in close quarters before we lose him to scotland

I am with you on Theophilus Afelokhai. I was even thinking he may gate-crash in the GK Dept. Ah well, it is okay.

BascoVanVeli:


I don't mind Rohr having Ighalo's back. It's a win win for the striker if u ask me. He does not have to face Nigerians and if he can't score an hat trick against Seychelles then he needs to be banned . It is the right thing to do even though unpopular, Ighalo earned the call with his performances. 8 goals in 8 since the world cup can not be classified as beans.

I must say I don't like the list. Awaziem should not be making the team over an Efe Ambrose who has been on fire for his club and yes I am miffed that Ezenwa can make it over Theo who did so well in Enyimba's last match. Ezenwa has been inactive since the world cup, at least other NPFL keepers can say they actually player friendlies but not him. Also for crying out loud why not call up a couple of those boys as a pat on the back for their CAF performance? Like I said it is Seychelles we are talking about here, call me cocky but this should be a walk in the park.

Joebie:
Nice catching up. I was like 6 pages behind.

This is my take on the list:


3. Rohr is predictable with his midfield. Just keeping with his promise as regards K Nwakali. He should not hesitate to drop players who fail to impress (Joel Obi inclusive). Enough of the slow substitution approach.

4. I’m okay with the forward line FOR NOW.

What do you mean "predictable with his midfield", do you want him to be erratic? The right word here, brother, is 'consistent' .

edi287:
Chelsea rejected a 25m offer from Spurs for Tammy Abraham.

Spurs get mind o. Wetin dem plan do with Tammy na? Are they not tired of spoiling strikers careers? First it was the Dutch guy then Llorrente.

TheLoneCitizen:



Iheanacho-Mbappe not even a debate. Probably all wingers can play as strikers, but very few strikers can substitute as strikers. Mbappe is light years ahead of Iheanacho, light years, brother.

Just your opinion. That's all. Light years to you but just a few years to me. The gap is not much and that is what the qualities of both players show. So thank you.

They wanted him as backup to Kane naa... Lol. Reports say that was one of their last ditch efforts to sign a player to avoid the record of being the only EPL team who didn't make any summer signing.

BascoVanVeli:


Spurs get mind o. Wetin dem plan do with Tammy na? Are they not tired of spoiling strikers careers? First it was the Dutch guy then Llorrente.

BascoVanVeli:


I don't mind Rohr having Ighalo's back. It's a win win for the striker if u ask me. He does not have to face Nigerians and if he can't score an hat trick against Seychelles then he needs to be banned . It is the right thing to do even though unpopular, Ighalo earned the call with his performances. 8 goals in 8 since the world cup can not be classified as beans.

I must say I don't like the list. Awaziem should not be making the team over an Efe Ambrose who has been on fire for his club and yes I am miffed that Ezenwa can make it over Theo who did so well in Enyimba's last match. Ezenwa has been inactive since the world cup, at least other NPFL keepers can say they actually player friendlies but not him. Also for crying out loud why not call up a couple of those boys as a pat on the back for their CAF performance? Like I said it is Seychelles we are talking about here, call me cocky but this should be a walk in the park.

Good point from you.

But trust me i am not against ighalo.

TheSuperNerd:
I am with you on Theophilus Afelokhai. I was even thinking he may gate-crash in the GK Dept. Ah well, it is okay.

He knows he won't use Ezenwa so I just feel he should use that spot to create competition in the league. If other guys know it is possible to make the team they will double their efforts and fight to improve.

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TheSuperNerd:
They wanted him as backup to Kane naa... Lol. Reports say that was one of their last ditch efforts to sign a player to avoid the record of being the only EPL team who didn't make any summer signing.

Buddy that job is as meaningless as being VP to Donald Trump but seriously I am also getting on the bandwagon that says Tottenham didn't need any signings. Yea the record looks bad but they really are stacked at every position.

Looks like WC was used as elderson's retirement party.

Jamilu Collins is an excellent addition. He is a good player. A natural left footer. Deji Beyreuther should also be looked at

We talked about the improvement of Semi Ajayi. Good to see that Rohr noticed.

Semi is young and could be a future replacement for Balogun.

Ighalo, i hope he can score a few goals and redeem his image.

TheSuperNerd:


Just your opinion. That's all. Light years to you but just a few years to me. The gap is not much and that is what the qualities of both players show. So thank you.

I won't impose my opinion on you, although it's not solely mine, it's a worldwide proven consensus.


This is the definition of 'light years', mate: Mbappe will make it into ANY team in the WORLD, Iheanacho on the other hand, will struggle breaking into almost half of the teams in the English Premiership. This is not debatable, fam.

andrew444:


Good point from you.

But trust me i am not against ighalo.

Haba I never said you were against him na.

Yeah... I also agree they hardly needed a new signing. They have quality no doubt but again it means same squad, same possible top 4 Finish... Another trophyless season. Not signing means they didn't get the upgrade needed to make them close to being title challengers.

BascoVanVeli:


Buddy that job is as meaningless as being VP to Donald Trump but seriously I am also getting on the bandwagon that says Tottenham didn't need any signings. Yea the record looks bad but they really are stacked at every position.

TheSuperNerd:
Using SE performanes should tell you that even a "make-shift" #9 like Nacho has better goals ratio in that role than Natural #9 Ighalo. Ighalo is the natural but his SE record is abysmal. Nacho is the makeshift but he is still far more clinical than Ighalo.


And for the umpteenth time, I never said Ighalo is not in form. Come on mehn! I only addressed your comment on Nacho not being in top form... What does Four goals in three preseason games tell you before the Man Utd game? Poor form huh?

When it comes to leading the line - Ighalo is a better option than Nacho. Nacho is a better finisher - yes but can't lead the line. It's the reason why Rohr brought back Ighalo in the first place.
I was taking about SE performances. Nacho isn't in top form. That's my point.
If we are going to switch back to a 4-3-3 /4-2-3-1, it is crazy to question Ighalo's invitation unless we have Yekini, Yakubu, and peak Martins available.

AIG07:
Just saw the list...
But I'm disappointed with the inclusions. Though it doesn't change anything.

I was hoping for 6new introductions. Rohr did well in making it 5. I don't have issue with the numbers and those dropped- it is understandable. My only concern is with the replacements.

What justifies the inclusion of players like KC Nwakali, a player from 2. Bundesliga etc...

Rohr seems to be enjoying his bromance with Ighalo, Joel, Akpeyi etc...

But wetin man go do.
Cc: Elyte89, Icon4s

As regards d quality of d players substituting d old guards, I feel rohr just want to av a closer look,2 or 3 players to redeem deir image,a person like ighalo and joel,from dere,he would begin his trial and substitute methods till we av something close to perfect he knows his first 11,

But y is Isaac success not in d team list
Cc...sir chriskels

TheLoneCitizen:



I won't impose my opinion on you, although it's not solely mine, it's a worldwide proven consensus.


This is the definition of 'light years', mate: Mbappe will make it into ANY team in the WORLD, Iheanacho on the other hand, will struggle breaking into almost half of the teams in the English Premiership. This is not debatable, fam.

It is not worldwide mate. That again is brought out from your personal opinion drawer.

At this moment, ofcos.. Mbappe can walk into any team in the world. I have since tipped the lad to end up someday at Real Madrid. I rate him that much. But thing is he had had his run of games and given ample opportunity to show his stuff. And now the world sees what he is about.

But in Nacho's case.. he has not gotten that pleasure. He has not had his run of enough games and has not gotten ample opportunities to showcase consistently what his undoubted quality can bring about. The little time he did get some small opportunity to show his stuff saw him rise to become the most lethal forward in European Football based on Goals-per-mins ratio in his first senior season. After that, the vote of confidence didn't continue... Pep just didn't rate him enough. Never gave him enough opportunities. His confidence took a hit after that and had a rought start at Leicester due to a toe injury. Before being shipped off to Leicester, Man City board insisted on a buy back clause of £50million. Why? They rate his potentials so highly.

Anyway right now the lad is fit and raring to show what made him once before Europe's Deadliest in terms of Goals-per-mins ratio across the Major leagues.


So mate.. I repeat. The gap is not much. Quality still speaks.

TheLoneCitizen:



I won't impose my opinion on you, although it's not solely mine, it's a worldwide proven consensus.


This is the definition of 'light years', mate: Mbappe will make it into ANY team in the WORLD, Iheanacho on the other hand, will struggle breaking into almost half of the teams in the English Premiership. This is not debatable, fam.

The problem with Iheanacho is he doesn't really fit into the modern game. He's a old fashioned SS and many top teams don't play that way.
Great finisher but can't the line, good final ball but not creative enough to play as a 10.
I was thinking about the it the other day and it dawned on me who he reminded me of - Lukas Podolski.
Wenger said Podolski was the best finisher he ever coached yet Podolski didn't make it at Arsenal and to a certain extent Bayern. Why? He was quick but could hardly dribble/beat a man, clinical but couldn't lead the line and his movement wasn't varied enough.
This is what and where Nacho is at the moment. The good thing is he's young and can improve.
It's crazy to put him in the same sentence as Mbappe.

TheSuperNerd:
Thanks so much Marvellous Basco. Same thing I have been saying for ages. I said and analysed during those debates that Mbappe will develop along the line of a true physical monster. He is the ultimate teen athlete right now. Physically strong, super fast, and got skills to go with it all. It is no wonder his idol from age 14 or so till now is Cristiano Ronaldo.

For the Physical aspects, I rate Mbappe far ahead of Nacho. Their development won't be the same. Mbappe is developing into a physically imposing, super fast, super skillful Lethal forward... He is brawn and brains... But Nacho is taking the path of the more brains than brawn. His Vision, Finishing and ability to exploit space as a true raumdeuter make him another lethal weapon in development.

Two players, different paths but yes all-round, I will say Mbappe is better... but breaking it down to aspects of plays and individual qualities.. we all will see unbiasedly that both soar in certain attributes over the other with Mbappe having a little more over Nacho and Nacho having some over Mbappe.

This is why I maintain the gap in quality between both youngsters is not large as many want us to believe.

A sane man is seriously comparing Iheanacho to Kylian Mbappe.��

Just stick to the top form-Nacho talk. I never mentioned Ighalo in the original post. You are trying so hard to make me talk about Ighalo because I won't say more than I have said in my last reply to you.

You didn't specify what you meant by "not being in top form". At this moment in time, Nacho is in very fine form and is expected to start this weekend for Leicester thanks to legendary Vardy's suspension. And when you mention Ighalo being in fine form, you obviously mean his China form but now you wanna shift to the SE form where neither forwards have goals in their last four games or more (including WC games)? Na wa... But we both know that even in the SE, Nacho trumps Ighalo in goals.

Leading the line without an end-product is the reason Ighalo is not taken seriously by most Nigerians as a striker. He is a natural 9 but has a poor goals record for us unlike "make-shift" Nacho.

edi287:

When it comes to leading the line - Ighalo is a better option than Nacho. Nacho is a better finisher - yes but can't lead the line. It's the reason why Rohr brought back Ighalo in the first place.
I was taking about SE performances. Nacho isn't in top form. That's my point.
If we are going to switch back to a 4-3-3 /4-2-3-1, it is crazy to question Ighalo's invitation unless we have Yekini, Yakubu, and peak Martins available.

I'll pick the Jamilu guy ahead of Idowu anytime, anyday. Jamilu is fast, can dribble, can join the attack, control the ball, and most importantly, can make decent crosses into the box from his natural left foot.

Idowu has none of the above characteristics. I can't remember a single cross or goalscoring opportunity that guy created thoughout the world cup. Forget Ighalo, Idowu and Shehu's lack of creativity cost us the WC.

Let's start the Jamilu guy abeg.

edi287:

The problem with Iheanacho is he doesn't really fit into the modern game. He's a old fashioned SS and many top teams don't play that way.
Great finisher but can't the line, good final ball but not creative enough to play as a 10.
I was thinking about the it the other day and it dawned on me who he reminded me of - Lukas Podolski.
Wenger said Podolski was the best finisher he ever coached yet Podolski didn't make it at Arsenal and to a certain extent Bayern. Why? He was quick but could hardly dribble/beat a man, clinical but couldn't lead the line and his movement wasn't varied enough.
This is what and where Nacho is at the moment. The good thing is he's young and can improve.
It's crazy to put him in the same sentence as Mbappe.

You've said it all my bro. Iheanacho can't dribble, can't outrun defenders, can't even control the ball. He is just a good shooter/finisher. He may thrive in a team with a good midfield where he will be fed plenty of chances. With the current state of our team, Ighalo remains the best striker for us......at least for now.

TheSuperNerd:
Just stick to the top form-Nacho talk. I never mentioned Ighalo in the original post. You are trying so hard to make me talk about Ighalo because I won't say more than I have said in my last reply to you.

You didn't specify what you meant by "not being in top form". At this moment in time, Nacho is in very fine form and is expected to start this weekend for Leicester thanks to legendary Vardy's suspension. And when you mention Ighalo being in fine form, you obviously mean his China form but now you wanna shift to the SE form where neither forwards have goals in their last four games or more (including WC games)? Na wa... But we both know that even in the SE, Nacho trumps Ighalo in goals.

Leading the line without an end-product is the reason Ighalo is not taken seriously by most Nigerians as a striker. He is a natural 9 but has a poor goals record for us unlike "make-shift" Nacho.

After I explained to you that I meant SE performances yet you kept pushing it. I've told you what I meant. Let's end this talk

Curtisaxel27:
I'll pick the Jamilu guy ahead of Idowu anytime, anyday. Jamilu is fast, can dribble, can join the attack, control the ball, and most importantly, can make decent crosses into the box from his natural left foot.

Idowu has none of the above characteristics. I can't remember a single cross or goalscoring opportunity that guy created thoughout the world cup. Forget Ighalo, Idowu and Shehu's lack of creativity cost us the WC.

Let's start the Jamilu guy abeg.

Let him start first....same thing too was said b4 idowu first appearance,even though d guy showed some glimpse of d attributes in his first match for Nija,but after den, wetin happen?

TheSuperNerd:



It is not worldwide mate. That again is brought out from your personal opinion drawer.

At this moment, ofcos.. Mbappe can walk into any team in the world. I have since tipped the lad to end up someday at Real Madrid. I rate him that much. But thing is he had had his run of games and given ample opportunity to show his stuff. And now the world sees what he is about.

But in Nacho's case.. he has not gotten that pleasure. He has not had his run of enough games and has not gotten ample opportunities to showcase consistently what his undoubted quality can bring about. The little time he did get some small opportunity to show his stuff saw him rise to become the most lethal forward in European Football based on Goals-per-mins ratio in his first senior season. After that, the vote of confidence didn't continue... Pep just didn't rate him enough. Never gave him enough opportunities. His confidence took a hit after that and had a rought start at Leicester due to a toe injury. Before being shipped off to Leicester, Man City board insisted on a buy back clause of £50million. Why? They rate his potentials so highly.

Anyway right now the lad is fit and raring to show whatade him once before Europe's Deadliest in terms of Goals-per-mins ratio across the Major leagues.


So mate.. I repeat. The gap is not much. Quality still speaks.

I insist that it is worldwide, go on Twitter or any other forum and fetch 5 comments stating Iheanacho is better than Mbappe, I will refer you to 500 contradicting this, isn't that unanimous enough?

I'm sorry, fella, but this comparison is too ridiculous for me to counter.