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Re: . by pazienza(m): 11:59pm On Sep 30, 2018
Follow me in a kaleidoscopic study of the Ibo. Four million strong in man-power!

Our agricultural resources include economic and food crops which are the bases of modern civilization, not to mention fruits and vegetables which flourish in the tropics!

Our mineral resources include coal, lignite, lead, antimony, iron, diatomite, clay, oil, tin! Our forest products include timber of economic value, including iroko and mahogany!

Our fauna and flora are marvels of the world! Our land is blessed by waterways of world renown, including the River Niger, Imo River, Cross River! Our ports are among the best known in the continent of Africa. Yet in spite of these natural advantages, which illustrate without doubt the potential wealth of the Ibo, we are among the least developed in Nigeria, economically, and we are so ostracized socially, that we have become extraneous in the political institutions of Nigeria.

If you are ever in doubt that we have come in full circle to exactly where we were in 1948, look at the final sentence of this part of the speech.
We have indeed become socially ostracized in Nigeria that we have become extraneous in the political institutions of Nigeria.
It's almost like Zik was making this speech in 2018, yet it was made 70yrs ago. Just let this sink in, and ponder.

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Re: . by pazienza(m): 12:03am On Oct 01, 2018
I have not come here today in order to catalogue the disabilities which the Ibo suffer, in spite of our potential wealth, in spite of our teeming man-power, in spite of our vitality as an indigenous African people; suffice it to say that it would enable you to appreciate the manifest destiny of the Ibo if I enumerated some of the acts of discrimination against us as a people. Socially, the British Press has not been sparing in describing us as ‘the most hated in Nigeria’. In this unholy crusade, the Daily Mirror, The Times, The Economist, News Review and the Daily Mail have been in the forefront. In the Nigerian Press, you are living witnesses of what has happened in the last eighteen months, when Lagos, Zaria and Calabar sections of the Nigerian Press were virtually encouraged to provoke us to tendentious propaganda. It is needless for me to tell you that today, both in England and in West Africa, the expression ‘Ibo’ has become a word of opprobrium.

The Nigerian press had continued even unto today to promote Igbophobia and Ndiigbo are even on this very forum, constantly provoked to "tendentious propaganda".

Igbo is being constantly projected as the "most hated tribe" in Nigeria.

It's 2018, yet it looks like its still 1948, remember there was no Nzeogwu coup until 1966. Incredible.

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Re: . by pazienza(m): 12:13am On Oct 01, 2018
Politically, you have seen with your own eyes how four million people were disenfranchized by the British, for decades, because of our alleged backwardness. We have never been represented on the Executive Council, and not one Ibo town has had the franchise, despite the fact that our native political institutions are essentially democratic—in fact, more democratic than any other nation in Africa, in spite of our extreme individualism.
Economically, we have laboured under onerous taxation measures, without receiving sufficient social amenities to justify them.

We have been taxed without representation, and our contributions in taxes have been used to develop other areas, Out of proportion to the incidence of taxation in those areas. It would seem that we are becoming a victim of economic annihilation through a gradual but studied process. What are my reasons for cataloguing these disabilities and interpreting them as calculated to emasculate us, and so render us impotent to assert our right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness?


Igboland is heavily taxed today. Too many Nigerian police and military road blocks all over our roads, taxing us to death , increasing the price of fares and goods, as Drivers have to add the extra costs incurred in "settling" the road blocks to our fares and the traders have to add the fares to our goods. The end result is that we buy goods at higher price.
We don't have a fully functional international airport, our road networks are left undone, our economic annihilation have been insidious and devastating.

Look at the current constitution of the FEC today. Not a single Igbo man is there. Yet we rep at least 1/6 of the country population. Our political disfranchisement has been profound and dumbfounding.

Look at what happened in Aba, right under our noses, there has indeed been a calculated "effort to emasculate us, and so render us impotent to assert our right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness"?

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Re: . by pazienza(m): 12:15am On Oct 01, 2018
I shall now state the facts which should be well known to any honest student of Nigerian history. On the social plane, it will be found that outside of Government College at Umauhia, there is no other secondary school run by the British Government in Nigeria in Ibo-land.

There is not one secondary school for girls run by the British Government in our part of the country. In the Northern and Western Provinces, the contrary is the case. If a survey of the hospital facilities in Ibo-land were made, embarrassing results might show some sort of discrimination.

Outside of Port Harcourt, fire protection is not provided in any Ibo town. And yet we have been under the protection of Great Britain for many decades!
On the economic plane, I cannot sufficiently impress you because you are too familiar with the victimization which is our fate. Look at our roads; how many of them are tarred, compared, for example, with the roads in other parts of the country? Those of you who have travelled to this assembly by road are witnesses of the corrugated and utterly unworthy state of the roads which traverse Ibo-land, in spite of the fact that four million Ibo people pay taxes in order, among others, to have good roads. With roads must be considered the system of communications, water and electricity supplies. How many of our towns, for example, have complete postal, telegraph, telephone and wireless services, compared to towns in other areas of Nigeria? How many have pipe-borne water supplies? How many have electricity undertakings? Does not the Ibo tax-payer fulfill his civic duty? Why, then, must he be a victim of studied official victimization

Same story of neglect.

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Re: . by pazienza(m): 12:26am On Oct 01, 2018
The only worthwhile stand we can make as a nation is to assert our right to self-determination, as a unit of a prospective Federal Commonwealth of Nigeria and the Cameroons, where our rights will be respected and safeguarded. Roughly speaking, there are twenty main dialectal regions in the Ibo nation, which can be conveniently departmentalized as Provinces of an Ibo State, to wit: Mbamili in the northwest, Aniocha in the west, Anidinma and Ukwuani in the southeast, Nsukka and Udi in the north, Awgu, Awka and Onitsha in the centre, Ogbaru in the south, Abakaliki and Afikpo in the northwest, Okigwi, Orlu, Owerri and Mbaise in the east, Ngwa, Bende, Abiriba Ohafia and Etche in the southwest. These Provinces can have their territorial boundaries delimited, they can select their capitals, and then can conveniently develop their resources both for their common benefit and for those of the other nationalities who make up this great country called Nigeria and the Cameroons.

Here, Zik exhibited impeccable knowledge of the true boundaries and clans of the Igbo nation.
How many of the current political jobbers/political office holders, masquerading as political leaders in Igboland know the true extent of Ala Igbo outside the SE? Even with the Advantage of Internet? Yet Zik knew them All in 1948. This should tell you the level of dearth in quality leadership we suffered after the war, when the victors subverted our true leaders and in their place, raised entities of despicable character and intellect, and foisted them on us gradually as political office holders.

Zik was right in recognizing the fact that Ndiigbo needed self determination in 1948, but without knowledge of hindsight, he errenously felt this self determination would be achieved and protected within the Nigerian context, instead of within an independent republic of Alaigbo. Hence Zik set us on a cyclic path that returned us back to where he met us in 1948 ,70yrs later. He chose the part of Nigeria Independence and unity.

What lesson is there for us to learn? Repeat Zik mistakes under a different nomenclature called "restructuring" or correct his mistakes by working on the everlasting solution of self determination?
The path towards progress for Ndiigbo is clear, if we only let our history and current realities guide us.

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Re: . by pazienza(m): 12:30am On Oct 01, 2018
The keynote in this address is self-determination for the Ibo. Let us establish an Ibo State, based on linguistic and ethnic factors, enabling us to take our place side by side with the other linguistic and ethnic groups which make up Nigeria and the Cameroons. With the Hausa, Fulani, Kanuri, Yoruba, Ibibio (Iboku), Angus (Bi-Rom), Tiv, Ijaw, Edo, Urhobo, ltsekiri, Nupe, Igalla, Ogaja, Gwari, Duala, Bali and other nationalities asserting their right to self-determination each as separate as the fingers, but united with others as a part of the same hand, we can reclaim Nigeria and the Cameroons from this degradation which it has pleased the forces of European imperialism to impose upon us. Therefore, our meeting today is of momentous importance in the history of the Ibo, in that opportunity has been presented to us to heed the call of a despoiled race, to answer the summons to redeem a ravished continent, to rally forces to the defence of a humiliated country, and to arouse national consciousness in a demoralized but dynamic nation.


And this was the beginning of the end. It was when Zik zeroed his mind on a retrogressive cyclic path that led us to exactly where he met us, today.

Igbo bu ndi nwelu Uche na mbu, Igbo bu kwa ndi nwelu Uche ma tata. Ka anyi nwelu ako n'uche anyi, tuzie onwe anyi, uzo zili ezi.

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Re: . by Cjrane2: 1:57am On Oct 01, 2018
pazienza:


The Igbo had really suffered great victimization. It would appear that 70yrs later, we still suffer victimization. And to make it worst, we had Now for the first time lost a war, a humiliating One, in which we gave our best, which turned out not being good enough.

The Igbo spirit has been broken by the events of 1967-70, the fall out of this is the self denial and identity crisis we see in Igbo boundary areas and the the decay of the Igbo high moral codes, now replaced by alien materialism.

It would appear whoever is to replace Zik in this herculean task of Igbo reunity and renaissance, has more difficult job on their hands than Zik did.

But the good thing is that unlike Zik, this leader would have the benefit of hindsight and history to direct his actions. Zik had no such, and made many fatal mistakes, consequently.
And yes, we must not shirk away from this great responsibility of igniting African renaissance that Nature had bestowed upon us, by defying all forms of subjugation and suppression placed on our path.

Igbo spirit has not been broken.

I just think we have a generation of Igbos who are cowards. Our parents would rather die than take humiliation. Even the Fulanis respected them for that and took care not to provoke a second war. This generation only knows how to talk and take little or no action. Thus, the Fulani has learnt to do Python dance in Igboland even when it is peaceful and there were no need to kill people in their homeland.

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Re: . by Bede2u(m): 1:59am On Oct 01, 2018
pazienza:


The Igbo had really suffered great victimization. It would appear that 70yrs later, we still suffer victimization. And to make it worst, we had Now for the first time lost a war, a humiliating One, in which we gave our best, which turned out not being good enough.

The Igbo spirit has been broken by the events of 1967-70, the fall out of this is the self denial and identity crisis we see in Igbo boundary areas and the the decay of the Igbo high moral codes, now replaced by alien materialism.

It would appear whoever is to replace Zik in this herculean task of Igbo reunity and renaissance, has more difficult job on their hands than Zik did.

But the good thing is that unlike Zik, this leader would have the benefit of hindsight and history to direct his actions. Zik had no such, and made many fatal mistakes, consequently.
And yes, we must not shirk away from this great responsibility of igniting African renaissance that Nature had bestowed upon us, by defying all forms of subjugation and suppression placed on our path.
i wont lie to u....if i am to lead the igbo nation, i will still only fight for a united igboland comprising of se and ss igbolands within the contest of one nigeria.

The reason are many.
1. The north will not let go of any part of nigeria without another war. We will still lose such a war unless we are in league with ss and sw.
2. If igboland becomes independent, we will now come to realise hw little we are within nigeria. Nigeria govt can place embargo on us..and nothing will go in or out of igboland because we are completely surrounded by nigeria.
3. There is a reason u.s is a powerful nation. The power in number and diversity can not be wished away. Nigeria has the number, diversity and resourses to be the most powerful nation in africa...a potential igbo nation lacks that.
4. As years go, igbos will come to dominate nigeria with time.

I will only wish that Anioma state can be created as south east's 6th state. And i hope it would also possibly include the non-ikwerre parts of rivers state so that with that one move, we would recapture as much igboland as feasible for south east.

I also wish for the 6 geopolitical zones to be recognised as the new regions like in the 60s, with full devolved powers.

In that way, igboland will be under the umbrella of south east and will be fully self-governing even if within nigeria. In that way, we eat our cake and still have it.
Re: . by Curlieweed: 5:50am On Oct 01, 2018
pazienza:


Here, Zik exhibited impeccable knowledge of the true boundaries and clans of the Igbo nation.
How many of the current political jobbers/political office holders, masquerading as political leaders in Igboland know the true extent of Ala Igbo outside the SE? Even with the Advantage of Internet? Yet Zik knew them All in 1948. This should tell you the level of dearth in quality leadership we suffered after the war, when the victors subverted our true leaders and in their place, raised entities of despicable character and intellect, and foisted them on us gradually as political office holders.

Zik was right in recognizing the fact that Ndiigbo needed self determination in 1948, but without knowledge of hindsight, he errenously felt this self determination would be achieved and protected within the Nigerian context, instead of within an independent republic of Alaigbo. Hence Zik set us on a cyclic path that returned us back to where he met us in 1948 ,70yrs later. He chose the part of Nigeria Independence and unity.

What lesson is there for us to learn? Repeat Zik mistakes under a different nomenclature called "restructuring" or correct his mistakes by working on the everlasting solution of self determination?
The path towards progress for Ndiigbo is clear, if we only let our history and current realities guide us.

I believe that there is an emerging consensus for self determination as the path for the survival of our people. The key difference in opinions is mainly tactical.

Not withstanding the tactical considerations, two key facts must be faced;

1. We need to get rid of the present crop of political office holders in the SE. The events of last year is proof that the enemies within are even more of a hindrance than any external threats.

In this light therefore, I believe it’s time for IPOB and similar groups to re-examine the decision to boycott political participation in Nigeria. I am beginning to believe that this decision plays into the hands of these carpet baggers cum efulefus. These organizations need to come together, identify capable, authentic Igbo leaders and support those for political offices.

2. We need to realize that the rich world does not give sufficient a shit about Africa to care about justice on this continent. They expect injustice, barbarity and occasional mass murders. The civil war should’ve taught us that. We need to realize therefore that might is right and if we want to achieve our objectives, we can only rely on ourselves. It’s pure delusion to think that UN or anyone is going to grant us anything.

IMO therefore, the steps to take are; Seize back the political leadership of Igboland from the current crop of imposters. Thereafter, we work hard to build an economic powerhouse in our homeland. After achieving these, we can then have the resources to make the appropriate tactical choices for self determination.

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Re: . by Curlieweed: 6:13am On Oct 01, 2018
Bede2u:
i wont lie to u....if i am to lead the igbo nation, i will still only fight for a united igboland comprising of se and ss igbolands within the contest of one nigeria.

The reason are many.
1. The north will not let go of any part of nigeria without another war. We will still lose such a war unless we are in league with ss and sw.
2. If igboland becomes independent, we will now come to realise hw little we are within nigeria. Nigeria govt can place embargo on us..and nothing will go in or out of igboland because we are completely surrounded by nigeria.


In that way, igboland will be under the umbrella of south east and will be fully self-governing even if within nigeria. In that way, we eat our cake and still have it.

Which North? Is it the same one where they have at least two civil wars running concurrently at the moment? Please get serious.

Whether we want it or not, one day Nigeria will go the way of similar monstrosities in the past. This zombie empire will collapse from the weight of its own internal inconsistencies. It’s either we prepare for that day and prosper or we get sucked into the apocalypse.

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Re: . by mightguy(m): 6:40am On Oct 01, 2018
Bede2u:
i wont lie to u....if i am to lead the igbo nation, i will still only fight for a united igboland comprising of se and ss igbolands within the contest of one nigeria.

The reason are many.
1. The north will not let go of any part of nigeria without another war. We will still lose such a war unless we are in league with ss and sw.
2. If igboland becomes independent, we will now come to realise hw little we are within nigeria. Nigeria govt can place embargo on us..and nothing will go in or out of igboland because we are completely surrounded by nigeria.
3. There is a reason u.s is a powerful nation. The power in number and diversity can not be wished away. Nigeria has the number, diversity and resourses to be the most powerful nation in africa...a potential igbo nation lacks that.
4. As years go, igbos will come to dominate nigeria with time.

I will only wish that Anioma state can be created as south east's 6th state. And i hope it would also possibly include the non-ikwerre parts of rivers state so that with that one move, we would recapture as much igboland as feasible for south east.

I also wish for the 6 geopolitical zones to be recognised as the new regions like in the 60s, with full devolved powers.

In that way, igboland will be under the umbrella of south east and will be fully self-governing even if within nigeria. In that way, we eat our cake and still have it.
thank you boss. Itx high time we change our strategy. The south south is already gone. They ave allowed oyel to destroy everything even the way some of them reasons... Let's take our Brodas in south and middle belt and we are gone and let the niger deltans fight for their freedom too
Re: . by mightguy(m): 6:49am On Oct 01, 2018
A country where minimum wage is 18 000 and the law makers are rich... Thank God the citizens are waking up...even if u don't wake up they will wake u up with gun and bombs... The north is crumbling and that's a head start. Let them continue crumbling till it catches fire and burn
Re: . by Handsomegod(m): 7:43am On Oct 01, 2018
pazienza:


Here, Zik exhibited impeccable knowledge of the true boundaries and clans of the Igbo nation.
How many of the current political jobbers/political office holders, masquerading as political leaders in Igboland know the true extent of Ala Igbo outside the SE? Even with the Advantage of Internet? Yet Zik knew them All in 1948. This should tell you the level of dearth in quality leadership we suffered after the war, when the victors subverted our true leaders and in their place, raised entities of despicable character and intellect, and foisted them on us gradually as political office holders.

Zik was right in recognizing the fact that Ndiigbo needed self determination in 1948, but without knowledge of hindsight, he errenously felt this self determination would be achieved and protected within the Nigerian context, instead of within an independent republic of Alaigbo. Hence Zik set us on a cyclic path that returned us back to where he met us in 1948 ,70yrs later. He chose the part of Nigeria Independence and unity.

What lesson is there for us to learn? Repeat Zik mistakes under a different nomenclature called "restructuring" or correct his mistakes by working on the everlasting solution of self determination?
The path towards progress for Ndiigbo is clear, if we only let our history and current realities guide us.
Recall that 3 years earlier in 1945 before this address,the first organised Igbo massacre took place in Jos. That was the context that informed the tone of this discourse by Zik. Igbophobia was already a covert state policy and Zik felt the need to galvanise and redirect our people. Again,interventions like this ought to be the focus of Ohaneze Ndigbo. Nnia Nwodo held a lot of promise and has a plethora of sound minds at his disposal he can deploy to steer this ship.It is time to wean ourselves from the psychology of defeat and shame the Civi war inflicted.

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Re: . by ARROBA(m): 9:04am On Oct 01, 2018
Air Peace to Commence Dubai/Sharjah Operations in November

Nigeria’s largest domestic operator, Air Peace has announced that it would commence operations to Dubai and Sharjah in the United Arab Emirates, UAE by November this year.

The airline which has acquired aircraft to operate the destination, said it would be its long-haul service before embarking on other international destinations.
This was disclosed by the Chairman of the airline, Allen Onyema in Lagos at the weekend.

According to him, Air Peace has been designated on long-haul flight to London, Houston, Mumbai, Dubai, Sharjah, Guangzhou-China and Johannesburg by the federal government.
Onyema, said the airline was expected to fly directly from Lagos-Paris, Lagos-Frankfurt, Lagos-Amsterdam , Milan, Abuja-Jeddah, Kano-Dubai, Enugu-London.

The Air Peace boss said the airline was ready to compete with international carriers with modern aircraft and efficient service and make Nigeria proud by giving Nigerian travellers what they yearn for, noting that Air Peace is an airline they can call their own with the best of services and pocket friendly airfares.

He promised to be consistent on the route, assuring that Air Peace will not fall by the wayside like other airlines that have entered the route but did not survive though might not be a fault of theirs.

Onyema emphasised that the airline is ready to fill the gap that government was worried about, saying that was the reason the airline acquired enough aircraft.

“We want to fill those gaps being occupied by international carriers coming to Nigeria, we want to represent this country proudly, Nigerians will be proud like Americans are proud of their indigenous airlines, flying the flag of America outside America proudly,” he said.

He explained that a formidable airline out of the Middle East is presently interlining and code sharing with Air Peace and currently integrating their system with the indigenous carrier.

“When we drop you in Dubai or Sharjah, another airline picks you from there; maybe, you are going to Malaysia, they are going to about 36 cities in India, so people will buy Air Peace ticket if you are going to Malaysia, India, some other Gulf States, Indonesia and others. You buy Air Peace ticket, check-in your luggage, you get your luggage in Singapore, we take you there, we have signed an interlining and code-share”.

https://www.thisdaylive.com/index.php/2018/10/01/air-peace-to-commence-dubai-sharjah-operations-in-november/

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Re: . by InyinyaAgbaOku(m): 9:07am On Oct 01, 2018
mightguy:
thank you boss. Itx high time we change our strategy. The south south is already gone. They ave allowed oyel to destroy everything even the way some of them reasons... Let's take our Brodas in south and middle belt and we are gone and let the niger deltans fight for their freedom too

Which middle belt again?
You people don't cease to amaze me.
Who is your brother in the middle belt again?
The ones that killed you during the war? Or the few Igbos carved into Benue?
Better leave people that are not clamoring to join you and settle down.
The main reason why Biafran agitations have been met with bloodshed is that Nigeria believes we are going away with non Igbo lands. And they believe the latter is where all the oil is(although it's not true).
They don't even give a damn should just the 5 SE states go or Igboland as a whole.
So, in order to make your burdens lighter, just take Igboland and forget every other thing.


And the guy up there talking about how imperative it is for Biafra to have diversity, I put it to you that we have all the diversity we need in Igboland. Ebonyi peeps and Obosi ones are diverse, same as Nnewi and Nkanu/ Mbaise, ranging from food , music to some customs.
America got diverse from migrations , who said Biafra will place an embargo on migrants?
My point is let the people we are dragging into Biafra not be the cause of our downfall and difficulties.

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Re: . by mightguy(m): 9:09am On Oct 01, 2018
InyinyaAgbaOku:


Which middle belt again?
You people don't cease to amaze me.
Who is your brother in the middle belt again?
The ones that killed you during the war? Or the few Igbos carved into Benue?
Better leave people that are not clamoring to join you and settle down.
The main reason why Biafran agitations have been met with bloodshed is that Nigeria believes we are going away with non Igbo lands. And they believe the latter is where all the oil is(although it's not true).
They don't even give a damn should just the 5 SE states go or Igboland as a whole.
So, in order to make your burdens lighter, just take Igboland and forget every other thing.


And the guy up there talking about how imperative it is for Biafra to have diversity, I put it to you that we have all the diversity we need in Igboland. Ebonyi peeps and Obosi ones are diverse, same as Nnewi and Nkanu/ Mbaise, ranging from food , music to some customs.
America got diverse from migrations , who said Biafra will place an embargo on migrants?
My point is let the people we are dragging into Biafra not be the cause of our downfall and difficulties.
bros noo. Nah the igbo people carved to this area. I am team homogeneous nation

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Re: . by mightguy(m): 9:12am On Oct 01, 2018
InyinyaAgbaOku:


Which middle belt again?
You people don't cease to amaze me.
Who is your brother in the middle belt again?
The ones that killed you during the war? Or the few Igbos carved into Benue?
Better leave people that are not clamoring to join you and settle down.
The main reason why Biafran agitations have been met with bloodshed is that Nigeria believes we are going away with non Igbo lands. And they believe the latter is where all the oil is(although it's not true).
They don't even give a damn should just the 5 SE states go or Igboland as a whole.
So, in order to make your burdens lighter, just take Igboland and forget every other thing.


And the guy up there talking about how imperative it is for Biafra to have diversity, I put it to you that we have all the diversity we need in Igboland. Ebonyi peeps and Obosi ones are diverse, same as Nnewi and Nkanu/ Mbaise, ranging from food , music to some customs.
America got diverse from migrations , who said Biafra will place an embargo on migrants?
My point is let the people we are dragging into Biafra not be the cause of our downfall and difficulties.
bros. I mean igbo people carved into middle belt... I am team homogeneous igbo nation

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Re: . by InyinyaAgbaOku(m): 9:30am On Oct 01, 2018
Curlieweed:


I believe that there is an emerging consensus for self determination as the path for the survival of our people. The key difference in opinions is mainly tactical.

Not withstanding the tactical considerations, two key facts must be faced;

1. We need to get rid of the present crop of political office holders in the SE. The events of last year is proof that the enemies within are even more of a hindrance than any external threats.

In this light therefore, I believe it’s time for IPOB and similar groups to re-examine the decision to boycott political participation in Nigeria. I am beginning to believe that this decision plays into the hands of these carpet baggers cum efulefus. These organizations need to come together, identify capable, authentic Igbo leaders and support those for political offices.

2. We need to realize that the rich world does not give sufficient a shit about Africa to care about justice on this continent. They expect injustice, barbarity and occasional mass murders. The civil war should’ve taught us that. We need to realize therefore that might is right and if we want to achieve our objectives, we can only rely on ourselves. It’s pure delusion to think that UN or anyone is going to grant us anything.

IMO therefore, the steps to take are; Seize back the political leadership of Igboland from the current crop of imposters. Thereafter, we work hard to build an economic powerhouse in our homeland. After achieving these, we can then have the resources to make the appropriate tactical choices for self determination.

You and Pazienza finished this matter

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Re: . by InyinyaAgbaOku(m): 9:32am On Oct 01, 2018
mightguy:
bros. I mean igbo people carved into middle belt... I am team homogeneous igbo nation

Splendid.
I am for that too.

But it's only if the Igbos there indicate interest, which is very unlikely that we involve them.
This is very necessary, as the rest of Benue may accuse you of land grabbing ( even being supported by the so called Igbo people you are fighting for).

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Re: . by mightguy(m): 9:42am On Oct 01, 2018
InyinyaAgbaOku:


Splendid.
I am for that too.

But it's only if the Igbos there indicate interest, which is very unlikely that we involve them.
This is very necessary, as the rest of Benue may accuse you of land grabbing ( even being supported by the so called Igbo people you are fighting for).
bros ave u heard of bidu. They ave been crying for so long to be carved to ebonyi or enugu. because they are really suffering but if they insist that they don't want to join. Nah their problem
Re: . by whirlwind7(m): 10:06am On Oct 01, 2018
Bede2u:
i wont lie to u....if i am to lead the igbo nation, i will still only fight for a united igboland comprising of se and ss igbolands within the contest of one nigeria.

The reason are many.
1. The north will not let go of any part of nigeria without another war. We will still lose such a war unless we are in league with ss and sw.
2. If igboland becomes independent, we will now come to realise hw little we are within nigeria. Nigeria govt can place embargo on us..and nothing will go in or out of igboland because we are completely surrounded by nigeria.
3. There is a reason u.s is a powerful nation. The power in number and diversity can not be wished away. Nigeria has the number, diversity and resourses to be the most powerful nation in africa...a potential igbo nation lacks that.
4. As years go, igbos will come to dominate nigeria with time.

I will only wish that Anioma state can be created as south east's 6th state. And i hope it would also possibly include the non-ikwerre parts of rivers state so that with that one move, we would recapture as much igboland as feasible for south east.

I also wish for the 6 geopolitical zones to be recognised as the new regions like in the 60s, with full devolved powers.

In that way, igboland will be under the umbrella of south east and will be fully self-governing even if within nigeria. In that way, we eat our cake and still have it.

Your analysis is as flawed as they are ludicrous.
Will post a rejoinder to this.

I do not share or accept most of what you posted here. I do recognize they are mostly your own opinion, though.


My take:

1. Agreed, the north is not willing to let any part of the country go without a fight. What I do not understand is you suggesting an alliance with the SS and SW if the SE hopes to defeat the rest of the north.

Please, learn from history. During warfare, allegiances are fluid. They change a lot, depending on prevailing situations and interests. If I were to launch into narrating how the SW reneged on a pact with Ojukwu to also declare their own republic, which would be openly supported by Biafra, it would take a whole page here. As for the role played by the SS during that horrible period, still read your history. Its all in print.

You still seem to think that modern warfare is a game of numbers: he with the largest army wins. Well, that was in the past. Superior weaponry and technology wins war now, not the number of your foot soldiers.

Banking on an alliance with SW or elements of the SS is suicide at best, especially with people who betrayed you in the past, and presently still abhorr you for whatever reason.

2. (We will realize how little we are, and we get surrounded on all sides by the rest of Nigeria) Wrong. This is simply because, in the event Igbos break away from Nigeria, be rest assured that other regions, especially the middle belt and SW will follow suit. These regions, especially the middle belt are as fed up with an unworkable contraption called Nigeria. Only thing is, they aren't as resolute as Igbos.

So, the scenario of being surrounded by Nigeria would be a theory at best. This isn't 1967 anymore. The regions that were described by Ahmadu Bello as willing tools have long realized what they were once useful for, and nothing more. They have also been victims of the fanatic north, and still are.

3. (A potential Igbo country lacks the number and resources to thrive) Seriously? I didn't mention diversity because this is not a big factor. How far has Nigeria gone with its diversity? Listen man, homogeneity is a proven factor for growth. Most of European countries are homogeneous. Nigeria did not get advanced because they subdued their best out of fear. America realizes it could attract the best brains from around the world. Nigeria went the opposite route by promoting its worst.

As for numerical strength, how many countries have populations of up to 20 million? The SE is above that figure. I know lots of countries whose population is below 10 million, and they are pulling their weight. I happen to presently reside in one of them.
Igbo land lacks resources? Are you talking human or material resources? I believe you meant the latter. Man, on both counts, the SE lacks nada. You should know that Africa is poor because it depended on material resources, while advanced countries developed their human capital.
You are not ready for the evolving times with the way you cogitate.

In fact, your number 3 point is the most erroneous.

Your number 4 point shows the fear and uncertainty that is preying on your mind. Nothing good comes to the timid. If the SE works on itself, then no power on earth can withhold our brethren in Delta state from joining us. As it is now, we need to work on ourself, and the future will rapidly take shape.

Finally, I have seen that Handsomegod gave a more detailed response below to your fears. You are not forward thinking by any stretch of the imagination.

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Re: . by Nobody: 11:18am On Oct 01, 2018
Where?? cheesy cheesy

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Re: . by Handsomegod(m): 11:24am On Oct 01, 2018
Bede2u:
i wont lie to u....if i am to lead the igbo nation, i will still only fight for a united igboland comprising of se and ss igbolands within the contest of one nigeria.

The reason are many.
1. The north will not let go of any part of nigeria without another war. We will still lose such a war unless we are in league with ss and sw.
2. If igboland becomes independent, we will now come to realise hw little we are within nigeria. Nigeria govt can place embargo on us..and nothing will go in or out of igboland because we are completely surrounded by nigeria.
3. There is a reason u.s is a powerful nation. The power in number and diversity can not be wished away. Nigeria has the number, diversity and resourses to be the most powerful nation in africa...a potential igbo nation lacks that.
4. As years go, igbos will come to dominate nigeria with time.

I will only wish that Anioma state can be created as south east's 6th state. And i hope it would also possibly include the non-ikwerre parts of rivers state so that with that one move, we would recapture as much igboland as feasible for south east.

I also wish for the 6 geopolitical zones to be recognised as the new regions like in the 60s, with full devolved powers.

In that way, igboland will be under the umbrella of south east and will be fully self-governing even if within nigeria. In that way, we eat our cake and still have it.
As a rebuttal to your views above:
1. Again,here you are ascribing omniscient and almighty powers to a north living a lie. Buhari's emergence,among other things demystified the idea of a monolithic north. Southerners like Okoroawusa,OUK,Tinubu,Amechi and Ngige are the ointment the North utilizes to leash the south. The future of Igboland either as a dependent or autonomous region does not depend on any group granting them waivers. Kindly go through the entitre speech by Zik shared by Pazienza. The reality was between the lines.

2.Since when did size and population of a country become the basis for its development and strength? The following are the most livable countries in no particular order: Canada,Sweden,Luxembourg,Holland,Austria,Finland and Germany. With the exception of Germany(82.67 million.2016 estimate) and Canada (36.95 million.2018 est),the rest of the countries are all less than 10 million people yet they had the best and affordable life anyone can aspire to. Many of them are landlocked! Israel is merely 8.5million yet they control 30% of the global wealth and innovations by a long mile. Conversly,refer to the nations with massive populations: Nigeria,Bangladesh,Pakistan,Indonesia,Sudan etc. All are basket cases in failure and poverty. So wither the population magic? It is even on record that a war time Biafra was more progressive,better governed and habour more prospects of development than any other black nation in existence. Part of the Nigeria propaganda over the years is to feed the consciousness of dependency to Igbos. Today,our people think we need Nigeria to survive but the reverse is the case which explains the forceful and oppressive annexation of Igboland to the Nigerian federation by all and every means possible even if it leads to war.

3.You really annoyed me with your third assertion but i jump and pass. In which other region in this contraption do you have the basic ingredients of greatness than Igboland? The following makes a great nation: Informed and industrious populace,strong macro economic base,Innovation and high achievement motivation,modest industrial base,sound commerce and trading links,culture and social cohesion,entrenched and evolved democratic culture,cultural excellence and strong work ethic. I will wish to take on each and expand for you. Again,a war time Biafra was more developed and better governed than peace time Nigeria. To cure your ignorance and enlighten on what Igbos represent to black rennaisance,please read Emefiela Ezeani's seminal work "In Biafra Africa Died".

4.This fourth assertion contradicted your views above. If Igbos are incapacitated as you affirmed earlier,how will they then dominate Nigeria?
Well,in 1948,Zik proposed self determination and integration to the Nigerian union as courses for Igbos. He chose the latter and it has since proved a costly blunder. The alternative stares us in the face today. Our generation is condemned by destiny to liberate UmuIgbo or remained condemned in infamy and slavery forever.

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Re: . by InyinyaAgbaOku(m): 11:50am On Oct 01, 2018
mightguy:
bros ave u heard of bidu. They ave been crying for so long to be carved to ebonyi or enugu. because they are really suffering but if they insist that they don't want to join. Nah their problem

I know that group bro.
Don't worry, the minute they discover crude oil in those places, they will cease such clamouring. It's some people that are doing the crying. Ask the children of those protesters, they won't tell you they are Igbos sef. So, who is deceiving who?

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Re: . by mightguy(m): 12:04pm On Oct 01, 2018
InyinyaAgbaOku:


I know that group bro.
Don't worry, the minute they discover crude oil in those places, they will cease such clamouring. It's some people that are doing the crying. Ask the children of those protesters, they won't tell you they are Igbos sef. So, who is deceiving who?
lol. There is no oil there... Oyel the bane of the old eastern region. The moment people discover oil in large quantity they turn against themselves. It makes them lazy. They will stop thinking straight.. There life is all about the oyel... See what oyel did to rivers....they stopped thinking straight...they will believe every lie jst for the oil and that oil is the canker worm eating them up till today.

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Re: . by InyinyaAgbaOku(m): 12:07pm On Oct 01, 2018
mightguy:
lol. There is no oil there... Oyel the bane of the old eastern region. The moment people discover oil in large quantity they turn against themselves. It makes them lazy. They will stop thinking straight.. There life is all about the oyel... See what oyel did to rivers....they stopped thinking straight...they will believe every lie jst for the oil and that oil is the canker worm eating them up till today.

Aside Igbos, the rest of Nigeria is all about oil. They can all kill for that

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Re: . by Cjrane2: 12:09pm On Oct 01, 2018
ARROBA:
Air Peace to Commence Dubai/Sharjah Operations in November

Nigeria’s largest domestic operator, Air Peace has announced that it would commence operations to Dubai and Sharjah in the United Arab Emirates, UAE by November this year.

The airline which has acquired aircraft to operate the destination, said it would be its long-haul service before embarking on other international destinations.
This was disclosed by the Chairman of the airline, Allen Onyema in Lagos at the weekend.

According to him, Air Peace has been designated on long-haul flight to London, Houston, Mumbai, Dubai, Sharjah, Guangzhou-China and Johannesburg by the federal government.
Onyema, said the airline was expected to fly directly from Lagos-Paris, Lagos-Frankfurt, Lagos-Amsterdam , Milan, Abuja-Jeddah, Kano-Dubai, Enugu-London.

The Air Peace boss said the airline was ready to compete with international carriers with modern aircraft and efficient service and make Nigeria proud by giving Nigerian travellers what they yearn for, noting that Air Peace is an airline they can call their own with the best of services and pocket friendly airfares.

He promised to be consistent on the route, assuring that Air Peace will not fall by the wayside like other airlines that have entered the route but did not survive though might not be a fault of theirs.

Onyema emphasised that the airline is ready to fill the gap that government was worried about, saying that was the reason the airline acquired enough aircraft.

“We want to fill those gaps being occupied by international carriers coming to Nigeria, we want to represent this country proudly, Nigerians will be proud like Americans are proud of their indigenous airlines, flying the flag of America outside America proudly,” he said.

He explained that a formidable airline out of the Middle East is presently interlining and code sharing with Air Peace and currently integrating their system with the indigenous carrier.

“When we drop you in Dubai or Sharjah, another airline picks you from there; maybe, you are going to Malaysia, they are going to about 36 cities in India, so people will buy Air Peace ticket if you are going to Malaysia, India, some other Gulf States, Indonesia and others. You buy Air Peace ticket, check-in your luggage, you get your luggage in Singapore, we take you there, we have signed an interlining and code-share”.

https://www.thisdaylive.com/index.php/2018/10/01/air-peace-to-commence-dubai-sharjah-operations-in-november/

Code sharing with the other airlines is the best way to go. Even if you don't go to Berlin, but you go to London. You can code share with Brusell air to pick your passengers from London to Berlin.

He could use one B777 300ER for Enugu - London-Atlanta-Houston flight. Then return flight will simply reverse the order.

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Re: . by B2mario(m): 12:10pm On Oct 01, 2018
bestview:

The guy na Aba pig. We go treat his matter shortly. Lol

He's no longer from Nsukka, it's now Aba because you thought you are through with Ebonyi and Enugu with your devisive tendency, it's now Abia turn. Ok, i'm watching.
Re: . by B2mario(m): 12:19pm On Oct 01, 2018
aniomafirstson:


Can you send me the links to owerre songs biko
Just type "Sir Warrior" you'll see all his songs.
Re: . by Cjrane2: 12:20pm On Oct 01, 2018
Curlieweed:


I believe that there is an emerging consensus for self determination as the path for the survival of our people. The key difference in opinions is mainly tactical.

Not withstanding the tactical considerations, two key facts must be faced;

1. We need to get rid of the present crop of political office holders in the SE. The events of last year is proof that the enemies within are even more of a hindrance than any external threats.

In this light therefore, I believe it’s time for IPOB and similar groups to re-examine the decision to boycott political participation in Nigeria. I am beginning to believe that this decision plays into the hands of these carpet baggers cum efulefus. These organizations need to come together, identify capable, authentic Igbo leaders and support those for political offices.

2. We need to realize that the rich world does not give sufficient a shit about Africa to care about justice on this continent. They expect injustice, barbarity and occasional mass murders. The civil war should’ve taught us that. We need to realize therefore that might is right and if we want to achieve our objectives, we can only rely on ourselves. It’s pure delusion to think that UN or anyone is going to grant us anything.

IMO therefore, the steps to take are; Seize back the political leadership of Igboland from the current crop of imposters. Thereafter, we work hard to build an economic powerhouse in our homeland. After achieving these, we can then have the resources to make the appropriate tactical choices for self determination.

The consensus isn't for self determination, the consensus is a TRULY FEDERAL Structure with the 6 Geopolitical regions as federating units, while we keep the present states structure as administration zones. The Present SE Geopolitical region can call itself by any name including - Biafra. Just as a piece of land is called Anambra State or Bauchi State. But that territory is still a federating unit of the country called Nigeria.


The problem with Nigeria had been over concentration of powers in the Federal Government which is usually abused and creates ethnic suspicion and tension. In addition, each state will now look for ingenious ways to fund itself. The funding part may have a grace period of 10 or 15 years so that fragile regional governments can have time to develop their taxation systems etc.

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Re: . by Handsomegod(m): 12:22pm On Oct 01, 2018
mightguy:
lol. There is no oil there... Oyel the bane of the old eastern region. The moment people discover oil in large quantity they turn against themselves. It makes them lazy. They will stop thinking straight.. There life is all about the oyel... See what oyel did to rivers....they stopped thinking straight...they will believe every lie jst for the oil and that oil is the canker worm eating them up till today.
Oyel is the ultimate curse of Nigeria. Buhari sank 3billion dollars searching for Oil in Lake Chad basin. A futile,wasteful and foolish misadventure that saw three senior lecturers from University of Maiduguri felled by Boko Haram bullets. Expatriates too. On same foolish trajectory,a contract to build a refinery in Katsina is under way. Never forget,the quest for oil was the reason Aburi was jetissoned. The quest for oil was the basis for the Biafran war. Are you aware the Land Use Act was enacted in 1968 while the war raged? Are you also aware the Petroluem Act was enacted in 1969 while the war raged still? Both of these laws gave exclusive rights and unfettered access and ownership of Nigerian Oyel to the victors and their accomplices till date. This is the only country on earth where oil wells and licenses are dashed to individuals without bidding as birthday,Xmas and sexual gifts. The only country where communities are sidelined in the ownership of the resources found in their lands and people living continents and eons away are granted ownership. Also note that Nigerian politics and all civil interactions are built around this reality. People seem not to acknowledge depth of rot and unsalavagability of this union. The problem of Igbos living in the fringes and the petro politics they were entangled with is far deeper than we can discuss on this thread.

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Re: . by Cjrane2: 12:28pm On Oct 01, 2018
Handsomegod:
Oyel is the ultimate curse of Nigeria. Buhari sank 3billion dollars searching for Oil in Lake Chad basin. A futile,wasteful and foolish misadventure that saw three senior lecturers from University of Maiduguri felled by Boko Haram bullets. Expatriates too. On same foolish trajectory,a contract to build a refinery in Katsina is under way. Never forget,the quest for oil was the reason Aburi was jetissoned. The quest for oil was the basis for the Biafran war. Are you aware the Land Use Act was enacted in 1968 while the war raged? Are you also aware the Petroluem Act was enacted in 1969 while the war raged still? Both of these laws gave exclusive rights and unfettered access and ownership of Nigerian Oyel to the victors and their accomplices till date. This is the only country on earth where oil wells and licenses are dashed to individuals without bidding as birthday,Xmas and sexual gifts. The only country where communities are sidelined in the ownership of the resources found in their lands and people living continents and eons away are granted ownership. Also note that Nigerian politics and all civil interactions are built around this reality. People seem not to acknowledge depth of rot and unsalavagability of this union. The problem of Igbos living in the fringes and the petro politics they were entangled with is far deeper than we can discuss on this thread.

The biggest disservice Igbos do to themselves is the mental inferiority complex that somehow Lagos, Kano or Abuja is better than anywhere in their home region. So they keep investing in these strange places to the detriment of their region. No other group in Nigeria consider other places better than their homeland.

The second problem is that the SE Governors have not made investing in the SE easy. I commend Obiano A LOT in this area for having a ONE-STOP location where an investor will get all approvals needed to start their business. The other SE governors should emulate that. It is hypocritical to call on people to invest in the SE while you know it is a mission impossible because all approvals and processes are so disorganized that nobody can reasonably maneuver through them.

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