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Re: . by Chef2000: 9:47am On Oct 04, 2018
superlightning:


Thank you my brother. Someone needs to shut these guys up. I just returned from a ban for "bullying" a nairalander. This guys will insult you, when you return the favor, they report you to the mods for "bullying" them. Lol..... Funny isn't it?
Redflame calm down most of them are not Anambra people please allow peace to reign
Re: . by Yyeske(m): 9:48am On Oct 04, 2018
ZZ22:
I just have to log in to remind the new ones here that these handles below are not Igbos. The guy behind the handles won't hesitate to poison you and if you look closely his mission here is to derail and cause enmity among Igbos. And yes this is not about who is Igbo or not but about those hellbent on derailing this thread or posting something divisive.

.
You are the only anti-Igbo here
Re: . by superlightning: 9:50am On Oct 04, 2018
Chef2000:

Redflame calm down most of them are not Anambra people please allow peace to reign

Why do you call me redflame?
Re: . by Chef2000: 9:56am On Oct 04, 2018
superlightning:


Why do you call me redflame?
Forget the name I called and focus on my comments, most of them ain't Anambra peeps
Re: . by mightguy(m): 10:20am On Oct 04, 2018
Y is everybody meddling into igbo affairs. Y don't u peeps leave us alone and face ur people. What is wrong with this people....

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Re: . by B2mario(m): 10:52am On Oct 04, 2018
InyinyaAgbaOku:


Igbo as a unit is a recent thing, same as Yoruba, to an extent.
However, even though, many features are common to the whole group, each tribe in Igboland has distinct customs and stories of origins . That of Eri is used for academic purposes for unification , however, that Eri must never be confused with the biblical Eri, which is even pronounced differently.
That's my point.
Hmmmmm. some people are talking poo here. How recent is Igbo that Equano of 15th century and the Portugese that made the 1st contact in 12th century acknowledged the name, Heebo, Ebo, Ibo and Igbo. Igbo as name is as old as Egypt. Igbo is not recent as you claimed and we have some ancient clans that bear name such as Igbo-ukwu (Anambra), Ama-igbo (Imo), Igbouzo (Delta), Igbo-etiti (Enugu), Obigbo, Umuigbo (Rivers), Igbo-emena (Cross-river) and Igbo-eze (Enugu).

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Re: . by B2mario(m): 10:55am On Oct 04, 2018
odogwu125:

Those that went to babylon and came back were the tribes of Judah, Benjamin and Levi that is, the southern kindom. The Kingdom was divided under Rehoboam son of Solomon
Ok
Re: . by OreMI22: 11:04am On Oct 04, 2018
One really bad habit about road sweepers in Nigeria is to keep dirt or silt on the road waiting for the next rain to wash it back into the gutters or spread it all over the street again.

They should remove any dirt as soon as it's scooped up. The lazy habit of leaving dirt on the road shoulder is what makes every effort to clean-up to be wasted after each rainfall.

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Re: . by aniomafirstson: 11:08am On Oct 04, 2018
B2mario:
Hmmmmm. some people are talking poo here. How recent is Igbo that Equano of 15th century and the Portugese that made the 1st contact in 12th century acknowledged the name, Heebo, Ebo, Ibo and Igbo. Igbo as name is as old as Egypt. Igbo is not recent as you claimed and we have some ancient clans that bear name such as Igbo-ukwu (Anambra), Ama-igbo (Imo), Igbouzo (Delta), Igbo-etiti (Enugu), Obigbo, Umuigbo (Rivers), Igbo-emena (Cross-river) and Igbo-eze (Enugu).

We also have umuigbo (delta)
Akwukwu-igbo (delta)

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Re: . by horsepower101: 11:13am On Oct 04, 2018
OreMI22:
One really bad habit about road sweepers in Nigeria is to keep dirt or silt on the road waiting for the next rain to wash it back into the gutters or spread it all over the street again.

They should remove any dirt as soon as it's scooped up. The lazy habit of leaving dirt on the road shoulder is what makes every effort to clean-up to be wasted after each rainfall.

It’s depressing to see the way our people do things sometimes. When I used to live in Aba, they will spend days unclogging the gutters and then leave everything on the road side. The rain will come back and wash it back. Even a 5 year old child can predict what will happen. Do they go to mental institutions to hire sanitation workers?

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Re: . by pazienza(m): 11:16am On Oct 04, 2018

Zik was arrogant....one of the reasons a country called Nigeria still stands today is because of gaffes he made to further his own political career.

You sound exactly like how the rest of Nigeria sound towards Ndiigbo, and you can see how Nigeria has become worst off for it.
If I ask you to list and explain how Zik exhibited arrogance towards the rest of Ndiigbo, you will run blank now, and start stuttering.
Infact, do you mind listing Zik arrogant behavior towards other Igbos.
It's a known fact that the Igbo nation as we have it today holds whatever degree of cohesion it had today to Zik ground breaking works, no Igbo man dead or alive had come close.
Zik worked for all parts of Igboland. He worked closely with Nzimiro(Imo), Okpara (Abia), Akanu Ibiam (Ebonyi), Enugu ( Jim Nwobodo), etc.
Zik came from Onitsha, a people who suffer from identity crisis, yet he gave so much to Ndiigbo than any dead or living Igbo man had.

Ojukwu was a lot more arrogant. Being the first uni graduate in Nigerian army, he saw himself as naploeon of some sorth and took his own opinions too seriously without realising wat is real and wat isnt


Another empty emotional allegations.
Stop making general statements. Tell me how Ojukwu exhibited arrogance towards other Igbos? Great men have self confidence which men of little substance out of envy characterize as arrogance. Look at Cristiano Ronaldo, Serena Williams, Mohammed Ali, etc.
It's part of their winning mentality to be proud of their hardwork and exhibit confidence in their self.

If I ask you evidence of how Ojukwu exhibited arrogance towards other Igbos, you would run blank too.


As for zik building unn in nsukka, it doesnt mean much considering that many people have done similar things. Gowon could have made jos nigeria's capital or u can say that ESUT which was built in Enugu 1980 should have been built in jim nwobodo's nkanu?

Enugu is part Of Jim Nwobodo vicinity. Jim Nwobodo come from Amaechi Awkunanaw, which is part of Enugu capital city. So yes, ESUT was sited in his vicinity. Chimaraoke recently took the school to Agbani his home town.
I bet it doesn't matter that Zik out of patriotic considerations decided to build UNN In Nsukka, but it would have mattered and be used to justify Anambra arrogance, had he decided to site it in Onitsha his home town, or neighbouring communities like Obosi, Nkpor, Ozeh, etc.

U may not see it...or u may actually see it but decide to ignore it...but the superiority complex of people from anambra is nauseating....and childish too...
Considering the fact that all the igbo leaders who ever came from there actually failed in their core objective (wat ever it was at the time)...all of them. From zik who wanted to govern nigeria to ojukwu who wanted to govern biafra to ekwueme who wanted to be president....all out manouvered by 'educationally challenged north'. But look at ekweremadu from enugu...see how he has remained relevant without being confrontational. Being loud is not being right. U wanna be right? Try might. Might is right. Look at Aro empire and Nri empire. While Aro turned ibibios (abiriba) and ijaws (bonny) into igbos the nri empire from 'omanbala' ended up losing so many igbo clans to benin.

You see Anambra superiority complex, I see your own inferiority complex. It's same thing when Nigerians speak of Igbo superiority complex, when actually it's about their own inferiority complex.
No Anambra person stopped you from celebrating the achievement of your own people, we actually join you to celebrate your achievements, I am a regular contributor to the Enugu thread. Yet each time Anambra person try to celebrate the Achievements of Ndi Anambra, the inferiority complex of people like you comes up, and you start accusing Anambra people of superiority complex. This behavior is not different from what the rest of Nigeria do to Ndiigbo. You need to kill off your inferiority complex, the problem is not Anambra, the problem is you.

Whatever glorious past Ndiigbo had in Nigeria was given to us by Zik. I had taken time to chronicle the situation of Ndiigbo in Nigerian state by 1948,before Zik took over.
It was no better than the current political state we found ourselves in 2018, but Zik worked on it, and by 1960, we were near the top.
What has your Ekweremmadu done for Ndiigbo? Is he not a mere lap dog to Saraki, how exactly has his current political post benefitted Ndiigbo? Isn't it telling that it's at a time, Ndiigbo has Ekweremmadu as the highest political office holder, that we had experienced the greatest ostracism from Nigerian political sphere?
Ekweremmadu cannot even negotiate any thing for Ndiigbo, he is a bit too quiet and weighed down by skeletons in his cupboards, which the Caliphate had used to gag and prevent him from speaking up or fighting for injustice against Ndiigbo. Even the PDP VP slot, is not looking sure for Ndiigbo under Ekweremmadu docile leadership, Wike and the SS politicians have more say in PDP machinery than Ekweremmadu, is that the kind of leadership you wish on Ndiigbo?

Fresh from Civilwar, it was Zik political sagacity that ensured Ndiigbo got juicy posts from the government of the day? What has Ekweremmadu done for Ndiigbo? Ekweremmadu is exactly the prototype of the Igbo the Nigerians want, the type that stays quiet and don't fight and cause chaos to others, just to get equity for Ndiigbo. Just the perfect docile leader. Ekweremmadu is so small that outside his Enugu constituency, he commands no followership elsewhere in Igboland. How can you lead when you don't have charisma? How can you gather followership if you don't exhibit self confidence? Now you know the difference between your Ekweremmadu and Zik/Ojukwu.

Abribas were not Ibibios. Aro didn't turn them to anything. Bonny and Opobo are proudly Ijaw people today, they hate Ndiigbo. I'm member of their facebook pages, and I know the situation on ground. Moreover the Igbo group Opobo /Bonny have links with are Ndokis.
I guess Ndiigbo would have to thank Aros for terrorizing and raiding our villages with their Abam and Ohafia mercenaries, ransacking and burning down villages to capture slaves they shipped down to Opobo and Bonny for sale to America, which resulted to many unsold Igbo slaves in Opobo and Bonny, staying behind there and became indigenes of those places, leading to the current Igbo language of those those places, right?
We have to condemn Nri people who condemned and laid curses on those involved in slave trade.

See how you insecurities towards Ndi Anambra is inhibiting your rationality.

Even while chimaroke was rebuilding enugu, u guys turned ur state into an arena of blood and poverty with bakassi et all and all but ran to enugu as refugees.

Another unsubstantiated talk. I was born and raised in Enugu. So there is nothing you would tell me about Enugu.
Chimaraoke was notorious for his romance with Enugu cult boys, who he empowered. Political killings were rampant in Enugu during his era.
He was also found to have looted Enugu treasury dry to the tune of billions, which led to EFCC coming for him, and resulted to closing down of ventures like Cosmo FM,Rainbownet, etc. He also left too many abandoned projects.
Meanwhile, Mbadinuju was quickly toppled and was replaced with competent leaders in Anambra. Enugu has also done same, so as usual, you really have no point.
Many Anambra people call Enugu home, because we have been here ever since Enugu has been capital of the East, we are not unaware of the minor prejudices Enugu people have towards ndi Agba enu , my aunty was sacked by Enugu people because she wasn't an indigene many Anambra people suffered for this, yet we don't hold it against ndi Enugu, we moved on.


come from enugu. Enugu is one of the most beautiful cities in nigeria (special thanks to sullivan chime). Enugu was capital of so many entities...including biafra and old anambra state

Enugu is truly beautiful. But it also had a head start ahead of all other Igbo cities as the capital of Eastern region.
Even till today, Enugu remain the defacto regional capital of SE. Nearly all regional government and private headquarters In SE are in Enugu, from EEDC to CBN. It has not come without benefits. What's more, Ndi Anambra contributed in making Enugu the city it is today, and continues to contribute more, even as we speak, because Enugu has always been a place we consider, despite how hard some minorities in Enugu had made it for us to exist here.

While onitsha was making the list of most poluted cities in the world, enugu was in the list of most resilient cities

This is straight off Igbophobic pages of Nigerians. Remember I said that the resentment of Igbos like you towards Ndi Anambra, is fueled by the same inferiority complex that fuel Igbophobia from Nigerians towards Ndiigbo, I'm not surprised that you are repeating their lies.
We had discussed this Onitsha pollution issue before, but it was with Yorubas, never knew I would one day has to debunk an Igbo propagating same falsehood.


But u can never see an enugu man feeling superior nor insult other igbos.
The OMANBALA1 who just said the silliest thing i have ever read since i started following this thread is actually a guy whose post i have always liked in the past and who i respect a lot. But as a tru 'omanbala' (wateva that word means), he has to come and say that he is anambra 1st and igbo 2nd. As If if he goes to lagos..lets see whether he would be called anambraboy or igboboy.

When you decided to sack all other Igbos in your Civil Service over non Indigene issue, thousands of fellow Igbos who had spent their life time working for your govrnment sent home, setting a precidence which Abia repeated not long ago.
You don't see that as insults to Ndiigbo, right?

When you have the temerity to compare highly cerebral and visionary Igbo leaders like Zik and Ojukwu and Ekwueme( we still remember how Jim Nwobodo campaigned vigorously against him in PDP primaries in 1999 and 2003, so much for Enugu Igbo solidarity, Huh? ) to current political jobbers in Igboland which Ekweremmadu leads? All because you want to talk down on Ndi Anambra, you don't see it as insult?

How many Aviation ministers had Ndiigbo produced before Stella Odua, with all of them playing docile and subservient silent politics, because they didnt want to be seen as loud mouthed or rocking the boat. Yet it was Stella who stood up and challenged the Yoruba cabals at the Aviation whose sole aim was to ensure Lagos monopoly on the airhub of Nigeria continued and saw Stella campaign to make Enugu Airport an international one, a direct threat to them?
The little progress we had made in making Enugu an International airport is thanks to an Anambra woman. She was from Ogbaru Anambra, yet she fought for an international airport that was in Enugu, because she is a proud Igbo woman, the type that is vocal about Igbo interests, that Nigerians don't want. Have you ever given Ndi Anambra credit for the international airport we have Igboland today? Not that we expect any from you, but if you are going to exaggerate all perceived wrongs both real and illusional, Ndi Anambra has caused to Ndiigbo, then we must expect you to start giving us credits for the rights we did.

I personally wouldnt have wrote this post...but once in a while u just have to tell someone how they are.

Ditto brother, ditto. The feeling is mutual.

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Re: . by Xander85: 11:25am On Oct 04, 2018
ckenneths:
GRA, Enugu . So much crowd.......

What part of GRA is this? undecided

What's the closest landmark?
Re: . by Xander85: 11:27am On Oct 04, 2018
OreMI22:
One really bad habit about road sweepers in Nigeria is to keep dirt or silt on the road waiting for the next rain to wash it back into the gutters or spread it all over the street again.

They should remove any dirt as soon as it's scooped up. The lazy habit of leaving dirt on the road shoulder is what makes every effort to clean-up to be wasted after each rainfall.

Spot on! I so detest that lazy attitude!
Re: . by Xander85: 11:30am On Oct 04, 2018
ckenneths:
Awka

The air is looking clean! Must be early mo-mo!

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Re: . by Xander85: 11:38am On Oct 04, 2018
ckenneths:
Still in Awka

Impressive!

See how clean and sharp everywhere looks! If i was in charge, all of Awka would look like this....even if i have to knock a few stubborn Igbo heads together!

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Re: . by Xander85: 11:43am On Oct 04, 2018
ckenneths:
Agbor. ....

Didn't know Benedict Peters (the publicity shy billionaire owner of AITEO) is from Agbor as well! smiley

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Re: . by Handsomegod(m): 11:44am On Oct 04, 2018
pazienza:



You sound exactly like how the rest of Nigeria sound towards Ndiigbo, and you can see how Nigeria has become worst off for it.
If I ask you to list and explain how Zik exhibited arrogance towards the rest of Ndiigbo, you will run blank now, and start stuttering.
Infact, do you mind listing Zik arrogant behavior towards other Igbos.
It's a known fact that the Igbo nation as we have it today holds whatever degree of cohesion it had today to Zik ground breaking works, no Igbo man dead or alive had come close.
Zik worked for all parts of Igboland. He worked closely with Nzimiro(Imo), Okpara (Abia), Akanu Ibiam (Ebonyi), Enugu ( Jim Nwobodo), etc.
Zik came from Onitsha, a people who suffer from identity crisis, yet he gave so much to Ndiigbo than any dead or living Igbo man had.




Another empty emotional allegations.
Stop making general statements. Tell me how Ojukwu exhibited arrogance towards other Igbos? Great men have self confidence which men of little substance out of envy characterize as arrogance. Look at Cristiano Ronaldo, Serena Williams, Mohammed Ali, etc.
It's part of their winning mentality to be proud of their hardwork and exhibit confidence in their self.

If I ask you evidence of how Ojukwu exhibited arrogance towards other Igbos, you would run blank too.



Enugu is part Of Jim Nwobodo vicinity. Jim Nwobodo come from Amaechi Awkunanaw, which is part of Enugu capital city. So yes, ESUT was sited in his vicinity. Chimaraoke recently took the school to Agbani his home town.
I bet it doesn't matter that Zik out of patriotic considerations decided to build UNN In Nsukka, but it would have mattered and be used to justify Anambra arrogance, had he decided to site it in Onitsha his home town, or neighbouring communities like Obosi, Nkpor, Ozeh, etc.



You see Anambra superiority complex, I see your own inferiority complex. It's same thing when Nigerians speak of Igbo superiority complex, when actually it's about their own inferiority complex.
No Anambra person stopped you from celebrating the achievement of your own people, we actually join you to celebrate your achievements, I am a regular contributor to the Enugu thread. Yet each time Anambra person try to celebrate the Achievements of Ndi Anambra, the inferiority complex of people like you comes up, and you start accusing Anambra people of superiority complex. This behavior is not different from what the rest of Nigeria do to Ndiigbo. You need to kill off your inferiority complex, the problem is not Anambra, the problem is you.

Whatever glorious past Ndiigbo had in Nigeria was given to us by Zik. I had taken time to chronicle the situation of Ndiigbo in Nigerian state by 1948,before Zik took over.
It was no better than the current political state we found ourselves in 2018, but Zik worked on it, and by 1960, we were near the top.
What has your Ekweremmadu done for Ndiigbo? Is he not a mere lap dog to Saraki, how exactly has his current political post benefitted Ndiigbo? Isn't it telling that it's at a time, Ndiigbo has Ekweremmadu as the highest political office holder, that we had experienced the greatest ostracism from Nigerian political sphere?
Ekweremmadu cannot even negotiate any thing for Ndiigbo, he is a bit too quiet and weighed down by skeletons in his cupboards, which the Caliphate had used to gag and prevent him from speaking up or fighting for injustice against Ndiigbo.
Fresh from Civilwar, it was Zik political sagacity that Ndiigbo got juicy posts from the government of the day? What has Ekweremmadu done for Ndiigbo? Ekweremmadu is exactly the prototype of the Igbo the Nigerians want, the type that stays quiet and don't fight and cause chaos to others, just to get equity for Ndiigbo. Just the perfect docile leader. Ekweremmadu is so small that outside his Enugu constituency, he commands no followership elsewhere in Igboland. How can you lead when you don't have charisma? How can you gather followership if you don't exhibit self confidence? Now you know the difference between your Ekweremmadu and Zik/Ojukwu.

Abribas were not Ibibios. Aro didn't turn them to anything. Bonny and Opobo are proudly Ijaw people today, they hate Ndiigbo. I'm member of their facebook pages, and I know the situation on ground. Moreover the Igbo group Opobo /Bonny have links with are Ndokis.
I guess Ndiigbo would have to thank Aros for terrorizing and aiding our villages with their Abam and Ohafia mercenaries, ransacking and burning down villages to capture slaves they shipped down to Opobo and Bonny for sale to America, which resulted to many unsold Igbo slaves in Opobo and Bonny, staying behind there and became indigenes of those places, leading to the current Igbo language of those those places, right?
We have to condemn Nri people who condemned and laid curses on those involved in slave trade.

See how you insecurities towards Ndi Anambra is inhibiting your rationality.


Another unsubstantiated talk. I was born and raised in Enugu. So there is nothing you would tell me about Enugu.
Chimaraoke was notorious for his romance with Enugu cult boys, who he empowered. Political killings were rampant in Enugu during his era.
He was also found to have looted Enugu treasury dry to the tune of billions, which led to EFCC coming for him, and resulted to closing down of ventures like Cosmo FM,Rainbownet, etc. He also left too many abandoned projects.
Meanwhile, Mbadinuju was quickly toppled and was replaced with competent leaders in Anambra. Enugu has also done same, so as usual, you really have no point.
Many Anambra people call Enugu home, because we have been here ever since Enugu have been capital of the East, we are not unaware of the minor prejudices Enugu people have towards ndi Anambra, my aunty was sacked by Enugu people because she wasn't an indigene many Anambra people suffered for this, yet we don't hold it against ndi Enugu, we moved on.




Enugu is truly beautiful. But it also had a head start ahead of all other Igbo cities as the capital of Eastern region.
Even till today, Enugu remain the defactor regional capital of SE. Nearly all regional government and private headquarters In SE are in Enugu, from EEDC to CBN. It has not come without benefits



This is straight off Igbophobic pages of Nigerians. Remember I said that the resentment of Igbos like you towards Ndi Anambra, is fueled by the same inferiority complex that fuel Igbophobia from Nigerians towards Ndiigbo, I'm not surprised that you are repeating their lies.
We had discussed this Onitsha pollution issue before, but it was with Yorubas, never knew I would one day has to debunk an Igbo propagating same falsehood.




When you decided to sack all other Igbos in your Civil Service over non Indigene issue, thousands of fellow Igbos who had spent their life time working for your govrnment sent home, setting a precidence which Abia repeated not long ago.
You don't see that as insults to Ndiigbo, right?

When you have the temerity to compare a highly cerebral and visionary Igbo leaders like Zik and Ojukwu and Ekwueme(which we still remember how Jim Nwobodo campaigned vigorously against him in PDP primaries in 1999 and 2003) to current political jobbers in Igboland which Ekweremmadu leads? All because you want to talk down on Ndi Anambra, you don't see it as insult?

How many Aviation ministers had Ndiigbo produced before Stella Odua, with all of them playing docile and subservient silent politics, because they don't want to be seen as loud mouthed or rocking the boat. Yet it was Stella who stood up and challenged the Yoruba cabals at the Aviation whose sole aim was to ensure Lagos monopoly on the airhub of Nigeria continued and saw Stella campaign to make Enugu Airport an international one a direct threat to them?
The little progress we had made in making Enugu an International airport is thanks to an Anambra woman. She was for Anambra, yet she fought for an international airport that was in Enugu, because she is a proud Igbo woman, the type that is vocal about Igbo interests, that Nigerians don't want.



Ditto brother, ditto. The feeling is mutual.

Phew!!! Pazienza! God bless you bro! I was at loss of words when i first saw the diatribe spewed by our brother Bede in the original update. His update was an unbriddled display of insane ignorance and misapplied anger.Thanks you for the concise and comprehensive rebuttal. Igbos do not have a problem with themselves. Asaba has become an extension of Onitsha today. Enugu is the resting place of all Igbos for obvious reasons. Aba's commercial depth is a conglomerate of general igbo industry. Onitsha and Nnewi has expanded chains of economic interests for other Igbos to key in and is happening already. Wither the beef? Bede's comments on Zik and Ojukwu were very sad and unfortunate. Same as his diatribe against others. It clearly displayed a regimented and fettered mind. It was same kind of mentality other envious tribes project on Ndigbo. All you mentioned about Ekweremmadu were right. Buhari openly protect his killer herdsmen and Boko Haram but Ekweremmadu dare not whimper a note of support for IPOB who by the way are genuinely fighting against the oppression of the Igbos. Iam glad we are having this discussion.At least to put the records straight and change the narrative for good. God bless us all.

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Re: . by ghostfacekillar(m): 11:51am On Oct 04, 2018
pazienza:


You sound exactly like how the rest of Nigeria sound towards Ndiigbo, and you can see how Nigeria has become worst off for it.
If I ask you to list and explain how Zik exhibited arrogance towards the rest of Ndiigbo, you will run blank now, and start stuttering.
Infact, do you mind listing Zik arrogant behavior towards other Igbos.
It's a known fact that the Igbo nation as we have it today holds whatever degree of cohesion it had today to Zik ground breaking works, no Igbo man dead or alive had come close.
Zik worked for all parts of Igboland. He worked closely with Nzimiro(Imo), Okpara (Abia), Akanu Ibiam (Ebonyi), Enugu ( Jim Nwobodo), etc.
Zik came from Onitsha, a people who suffer from identity crisis, yet he gave so much to Ndiigbo than any dead or living Igbo man had.




Another empty emotional allegations.
Stop making general statements. Tell me how Ojukwu exhibited arrogance towards other Igbos? Great men have self confidence which men of little substance out of envy characterize as arrogance. Look at Cristiano Ronaldo, Serena Williams, Mohammed Ali, etc.
It's part of their winning mentality to be proud of their hardwork and exhibit confidence in their self.

If I ask you evidence of how Ojukwu exhibited arrogance towards other Igbos, you would run blank too.



Enugu is part Of Jim Nwobodo vicinity. Jim Nwobodo come from Amaechi Awkunanaw, which is part of Enugu capital city. So yes, ESUT was sited in his vicinity. Chimaraoke recently took the school to Agbani his home town.
I bet it doesn't matter that Zik out of patriotic considerations decided to build UNN In Nsukka, but it would have mattered and be used to justify Anambra arrogance, had he decided to site it in Onitsha his home town, or neighbouring communities like Obosi, Nkpor, Ozeh, etc.



You see Anambra superiority complex, I see your own inferiority complex. It's same thing when Nigerians speak of Igbo superiority complex, when actually it's about their own inferiority complex.
No Anambra person stopped you from celebrating the achievement of your own people, we actually join you to celebrate your achievements, I am a regular contributor to the Enugu thread. Yet each time Anambra person try to celebrate the Achievements of Ndi Anambra, the inferiority complex of people like you comes up, and you start accusing Anambra people of superiority complex. This behavior is not different from what the rest of Nigeria do to Ndiigbo. You need to kill off your inferiority complex, the problem is not Anambra, the problem is you.

Whatever glorious past Ndiigbo had in Nigeria was given to us by Zik. I had taken time to chronicle the situation of Ndiigbo in Nigerian state by 1948,before Zik took over.
It was no better than the current political state we found ourselves in 2018, but Zik worked on it, and by 1960, we were near the top.
What has your Ekweremmadu done for Ndiigbo? Is he not a mere lap dog to Saraki, how exactly has his current political post benefitted Ndiigbo? Isn't it telling that it's at a time, Ndiigbo has Ekweremmadu as the highest political office holder, that we had experienced the greatest ostracism from Nigerian political sphere?
Ekweremmadu cannot even negotiate any thing for Ndiigbo, he is a bit too quiet and weighed down by skeletons in his cupboards, which the Caliphate had used to gag and prevent him from speaking up or fighting for injustice against Ndiigbo. Even the PDP VP slot, is not looking sure for Ndiigbo under Ekweremmadu docile leadership, Wike and the SS politicians have more say in PDP machinery than Ekweremmadu, is that the kind of leadership you wish on Ndiigbo?

Fresh from Civilwar, it was Zik political sagacity that ensured Ndiigbo got juicy posts from the government of the day? What has Ekweremmadu done for Ndiigbo? Ekweremmadu is exactly the prototype of the Igbo the Nigerians want, the type that stays quiet and don't fight and cause chaos to others, just to get equity for Ndiigbo. Just the perfect docile leader. Ekweremmadu is so small that outside his Enugu constituency, he commands no followership elsewhere in Igboland. How can you lead when you don't have charisma? How can you gather followership if you don't exhibit self confidence? Now you know the difference between your Ekweremmadu and Zik/Ojukwu.

Abribas were not Ibibios. Aro didn't turn them to anything. Bonny and Opobo are proudly Ijaw people today, they hate Ndiigbo. I'm member of their facebook pages, and I know the situation on ground. Moreover the Igbo group Opobo /Bonny have links with are Ndokis.
I guess Ndiigbo would have to thank Aros for terrorizing and raiding our villages with their Abam and Ohafia mercenaries, ransacking and burning down villages to capture slaves they shipped down to Opobo and Bonny for sale to America, which resulted to many unsold Igbo slaves in Opobo and Bonny, staying behind there and became indigenes of those places, leading to the current Igbo language of those those places, right?
We have to condemn Nri people who condemned and laid curses on those involved in slave trade.

See how you insecurities towards Ndi Anambra is inhibiting your rationality.


Another unsubstantiated talk. I was born and raised in Enugu. So there is nothing you would tell me about Enugu.
Chimaraoke was notorious for his romance with Enugu cult boys, who he empowered. Political killings were rampant in Enugu during his era.
He was also found to have looted Enugu treasury dry to the tune of billions, which led to EFCC coming for him, and resulted to closing down of ventures like Cosmo FM,Rainbownet, etc. He also left too many abandoned projects.
Meanwhile, Mbadinuju was quickly toppled and was replaced with competent leaders in Anambra. Enugu has also done same, so as usual, you really have no point.
Many Anambra people call Enugu home, because we have been here ever since Enugu has been capital of the East, we are not unaware of the minor prejudices Enugu people have towards ndi Agba enu , my aunty was sacked by Enugu people because she wasn't an indigene many Anambra people suffered for this, yet we don't hold it against ndi Enugu, we moved on.




Enugu is truly beautiful. But it also had a head start ahead of all other Igbo cities as the capital of Eastern region.
Even till today, Enugu remain the defacto regional capital of SE. Nearly all regional government and private headquarters In SE are in Enugu, from EEDC to CBN. It has not come without benefits. What's more, Ndi Anambra contributed in making Enugu the city it is today, and continues to contribute more, even as we speak, because Enugu has always been a place we consider, despite how hard some minorities in Enugu had made it for us to exist here.



This is straight off Igbophobic pages of Nigerians. Remember I said that the resentment of Igbos like you towards Ndi Anambra, is fueled by the same inferiority complex that fuel Igbophobia from Nigerians towards Ndiigbo, I'm not surprised that you are repeating their lies.
We had discussed this Onitsha pollution issue before, but it was with Yorubas, never knew I would one day has to debunk an Igbo propagating same falsehood.




When you decided to sack all other Igbos in your Civil Service over non Indigene issue, thousands of fellow Igbos who had spent their life time working for your govrnment sent home, setting a precidence which Abia repeated not long ago.
You don't see that as insults to Ndiigbo, right?

When you have the temerity to compare highly cerebral and visionary Igbo leaders like Zik and Ojukwu and Ekwueme( we still remember how Jim Nwobodo campaigned vigorously against him in PDP primaries in 1999 and 2003, so much for Enugu Igbo solidarity, Huh? ) to current political jobbers in Igboland which Ekweremmadu leads? All because you want to talk down on Ndi Anambra, you don't see it as insult?

How many Aviation ministers had Ndiigbo produced before Stella Odua, with all of them playing docile and subservient silent politics, because they didnt want to be seen as loud mouthed or rocking the boat. Yet it was Stella who stood up and challenged the Yoruba cabals at the Aviation whose sole aim was to ensure Lagos monopoly on the airhub of Nigeria continued and saw Stella campaign to make Enugu Airport an international one, a direct threat to them?
The little progress we had made in making Enugu an International airport is thanks to an Anambra woman. She was from Ogbaru Anambra, yet she fought for an international airport that was in Enugu, because she is a proud Igbo woman, the type that is vocal about Igbo interests, that Nigerians don't want. Have you ever given Ndi Anambra credit for the international airport we have Igboland today? Not that we expect any from you, but if you are going to exaggerate all perceived wrongs both real and illusional, Ndi Anambra has caused to Ndiigbo, then we must expect you to start giving us credits for the rights we did.



Ditto brother, ditto. The feeling is mutual.

thank you for this..we need more people like u in this group...

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Re: . by kasmilla(m): 12:30pm On Oct 04, 2018
Pazienza u r the best. Am frm enugu bt i respect persons frm anambra alot bc anambra persons makes ndigbo proud alot. we were all from anambra before state creation

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Re: . by NonsoWow: 12:53pm On Oct 04, 2018
Chino, keep telling them. Anambra and Enugu have nothing in common. We are worlds apart. Y'all have seen what happened to Bianca Ojukwu in APGA primaries. She lost because our people were not comfortable with having a wawa woman representing us. Most Anambra people see wawa people as inferior beings who are not qualified to rub shoulders with us.
Re: . by neezar: 1:03pm On Oct 04, 2018
NonsoWow:
Chino, keep telling them. Anambra and Enugu have nothing in common. We are worlds apart. Y'all have seen what happened to Bianca Ojukwu in APGA primaries. She lost because our people were not comfortable with having a wawa woman representing us. Most Anambra people see wawa people as inferior beings who are not qualified to rub shoulders with us.
Ur an imposter

U ain't from the east

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Re: . by Chef2000: 1:40pm On Oct 04, 2018
neezar:

Ur an imposter

U ain't from the east
Thanks for noticing it, they are many here masking as ndi Anambra but they will fail to devide the Igbo nation

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Re: . by pazienza(m): 1:41pm On Oct 04, 2018
kasmilla:
Pazienza u r the best. Am frm enugu bt i respect persons frm anambra alot bc anambra persons makes ndigbo proud alot. we were all from anambra before state creation

Thank you Nwannem.

In those OBJ era, during those Uwazuruike MASSOB days. I was in Ogidi with my uncle, and MASSOB was having rally in Onitsha, they were discussing about a distant relative of ours who was a MASSOB member and was involved in the rally.
My Uncle was angry and made derogatory statement about how "the Imo man Uwazuruike ", will not keep his stupid Biafra venture in Imo state, but would rather bring it to Anambra and Onitsha in particular and be exposing our young Anambra youths to danger. He was saying this with condescending tone towards Ndi Imo.
I told him that he is right. He was happy and thought I was siding him. Then I went on and told him that this was how the troublesome Anambra people, Ifeajuna and Ojukwu went and brought war to Igboland, and the Anambra man called Ifeajuna went and betrayed Ndiigbo, while another Anambra man called Ojukwu after getting Enugu destroyed due to his incompetence, retreated to Imo state, where he got Aba, Owerre and Umuahia all destroyed, in addition to thousands of Ndi Imo (Abia and Imo) Youths, who had to die defending OAU(Owerri-Aba-Umuahia) from Nigerians .

He kept quiet and didn't say a word again. I bet his One dimensional brain and analysis never thought of that.

I have been with Imo people(Abia and Imo) who would go on about how Ndi Anambra (Ifeajuna) brought war to Ndiigbo. How Ojukwu was incompetent and made the war rage on because of his arrogance and how Zik abandoned the Biafra cause and joined Nigerians.

Then I reminded them that It was Ironsi folly that led to the counter coup, and that the likes of Nzeribe happily negotiated weapon deals for Nigerians and profited on it to the detriment of Ndiigbo, in addition to Omar Sanda, aka Ike nwachukwu, who happily fought with Nigerians Against Biafrans. They were all Ndiigbo from old Imo state.

They all kept quiet, I bet their one dimensional brain didn't allow them see the clearer picture.

I was once in st Micheal road Aba to repair a troublesome phone, that road was very bad then, and worst still, it was rainy season, with too many pools of stinky water in the many pot holes on the road. Many Young people were there too, and I noticed they were having discussions about Enugu state.
They were mostly from Abia and Imo. But the general consensus from them was that Enugu people are backward people, and that other than Enugu capital which they argued was given to them by the Eastern region, that the rest of Enugu towns are backward and the people peasant farmers, who they claim are migrant paid farmers in Abia .

Ofcourse, I gave them a piece of my mind, I grew up in Enugu and consider myself an Enugu person, I saw that insult as insult to me.
I asked them how many of them had been to Enugu capital before? Surprisingly, only few of of them, then I asked those of them who said they had been to Enugu before, how many buildings in Enugu or roads were old buildings or roads? They confessed that they saw New buildings and roads, then I told them that Enugu is beautiful not because of old structures of Eastern region, which majority of them were left in ruins by Nigerian Army after the war. Enugu is what it is today, because the people had always elected credible leadership who built and maintained the state infrastructure, as well as attracted New investments in the real estate of the town. I told them that maybe, it's about time Ndi Abia started doing same.
I also took time to remind them that Enugu had produced many educated personalities and rank very high in JAMB, WAEC and Unity school performance statistics, hence can't be said to be backward state.
Towns like Ozalla, Obe, Agbani, Akpugo, Udi, Nsukka, etc are also fairly urbanized and can't be said to be bushes, they have decent clusters of modern beautiful houses. Surprisingly, none of the youths there have heard of those towns. Yet, they all have a negative opinion about Enugu, based on hear say, or even out of envy.

Coming back to Enugu from Aba, I boarded a public transport, and once we got to Osisioma and the stretch of Bad roads between The Aba- Umuahia section of the Enugu-PH road, tongues started wagging in the vehicle. Majority of the passengers who were Enugu people who came to buy wares from Aba, started talking about how Abia people are backward and dirty set of people, how they are all disgrace to Ndiigbo. How they stupidly keep electing Bad leaders, how Enugu is London and Aba and Abia is pigsty. Then they went on praising themselves and their state Enugu and rantings of how organized they are filled the air.

I was hoping that an Abia person must be in the vehicle to take them up, but it soon became obvious that either there was no Abians on the vehicle, or the Abians seem subdued to argue. I was weary from my Aba mission which yielded disappointment, but these people wouldn't just stop, so I had to step in.
I asked them, if Enugu is as sophisticated and wise as they claim, how come they are coming to Aba to buy goods and not have them in Enugu? Are they not aware that Enugu is closer to Lagos and Onitsha than Aba, seeing as the seaport is in Lagos ?
I reminded them that Aba is not the capital city of Abia State, and that Enugu state as a whole has no second city as big as Aba. Infact Aba comprising of five local governments( Aba North, Aba South, Osisioma, Obingwa, Ugwunagbo) is much bigger than Enugu capital in land mass and otherwise and has more economic and industrial activities going on it, which is why they(the Proud Enugu people in the vehicle) had to leave their London Enugu and come to the Pigsty of Aba to buy goods.
I reminded them that Umuahia is the capital of Abia State, and it's as neat as Enugu.
I told them that whatever they think Enugu is today, that an Abia man by the name Micheal Okpara, whose square seats close to Enugu government house today, played a big role in it.
I went on and on.

When I was done, silence fell on the vehicle, as they all went to ponder on their One dimensional brain, and allowed me to sleep.

See, the issue with the so called disunity and arrogance Igbo groups exhibit toward each other, is that it is ignorance driven.

Many Igbo people know next to nothing about other Igbo groups and their struggles or strength, they go about running around with what ever jaundiced one sided narratives they have towards each other.
I attribute this to dearth of quality leadership in Igboland and the rise of selfish politicians hell bent on dividing us to create modern day fiefdoms for themselves.

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Re: . by OMANBALA1: 1:54pm On Oct 04, 2018
Pazienza is a walking encyclopedia! Nairaland have lost its bit and grit, when intelligent conversations were still holding here, this is around 2008 to 2014 I have watched Pazienza take on some of the most intelligent Yorubas and reduced them to rubble, singlehandedly. Dude is an intellectual giant, full stop. Ide Nnaa, Onlytruth, Odumchi, Obiagu, Ezeagu , and Chinenye are some of my mentors when I joined Nairaland in 2009. From Ide Nnaa writings I learned a big chunk of Igbo history and culture even about myself, hitherto I was just a man wandering man without a knowledge of my identity.

Somebody was accusing me of planting disunity among Igbo, well, I dont hate anybody including Igbo persons from Rivers, Enugu, Delta ,Imo, Ebonyi, and Abia but abum Nwa Omanbala firstly and I will enrich the mind and pocket of an Anambra person before anybody else and I think you should do the same for your people. In Idenmili our mothers used to sing a certain song and it goes like this " esi n'unor di, esi n'unor di, okwa esi n'unor di mma adilu puta ilo." However, I will not like to you guys, I believe we can develop a political agenda that will benefit all Igbo states like a business idea. We dont necessarily have to romance each other because I felt my culture is being tampered with. For instance, Igbo Izugbe is affecting the way we Anambra people speak and I am enraged about this. You kill Anambra culture you kill our spirit and pride and we will be reduced to the level of everybody else.

One thing as Ndigbo we can do to preserve our culture and identity is to trash the Igbo Izugbe and replace it with multiple regional dialects. Igbo Izugbe is a ffucking problem!!

OLISEBULUWA GOZIE OMANBALA,NDIGBO, NA UMU ISI OJII !

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Re: . by Handsomegod(m): 1:59pm On Oct 04, 2018
pazienza:


Thank you Nwannem.

In those OBJ era, during those Uwazuruike MASSOB days. I was in Ogidi with my uncle, and MASSOB was having rally in Onitsha, they were discussing about a distant relative of ours who was a MASSOB member and was involved in the rally.
My Uncle was angry and made derogatory statement about how "the Imo man Uwazuruike ", will not keep his stupid Biafra venture in Imo state, but would rather bring it to Anambra and Onitsha in particular and be exposing our young Anambra youths to danger. He was saying this with condescending tone towards Ndi Imo.
I told him that he is right. He was happy and thought I was siding him. Then I went on and told him that this was how the troublesome Anambra people, Ifeajuna and Ojukwu went and brought war to Igboland, and the Anambra man called Ifeajuna went and betrayed Ndiigbo, while another Anambra man called Ojukwu after getting Enugu destroyed due to his incompetence, retreated to Imo state, where he got Aba, Owerre and Umuahia all destroyed, in addition to thousands of Ndi Imo (Abia and Imo) Youths, who had to die defending OAU(Owerri-Aba-Umuahia) from Nigerians .

He kept quiet and didn't say a word again. I bet his One dimensional brain and analysis never thought of that.

I have been with Imo people(Abia and Imo) who would go on about how Ndi Anambra (Ifeajuna) brought war to Ndiigbo. How Ojukwu was incompetent and made the war rage on because of his arrogance and how Zik abandoned the Biafra cause and joined Nigerians.

Then I reminded them that It was Ironsi folly that led to the counter coup, and that the likes of Nzeribe happily negotiated weapon deals for Nigerians and profited on it to the detriment of Ndiigbo, in addition to Omar Sanda, aka Ike nwachukwu, who happily fought with Nigerians Against Biafrans. They were all Ndiigbo from old Imo state.

They all kept quiet, I bet their one dimensional brain didn't allow them see the clearer picture.

I was once in st Micheal road Aba to repair a troublesome phone, that road was very bad then, and worst still, it was rainy season, with too many pools of stinky water in the many pot holes on the road. Many Young people were there too, and I noticed they were having discussions about Enugu state.
They were mostly from Abia and Imo. But the general consensus from them was that Enugu people are backward people, and that other than Enugu capital which they argued was given to them by the Eastern region, that the rest of Enugu towns are backward and the people peasant farmers, who they claim are migrant paid farmers in Abia .

Ofcourse, I gave them a piece of my mind, I grew up in Enugu and consider myself an Enugu person, I saw that insult as insult to me.
I asked them how many of them had been to Enugu capital before? Surprisingly, only few of of them, then I asked those of them who said they had been to Enugu before, how many buildings in Enugu or roads were old buildings or roads? They confessed that they saw New buildings and roads, then I told them that Enugu is beautiful not because of old structures of Eastern region, which majority of them were left in ruins by Nigerian Army after the war. Enugu is what it is today, because the people had always elected credible leadership who built and maintained the state infrastructure, as well as attracted New investments in the real estate of the town. I told them that maybe, it's about time Ndi Abia started doing same.
I also took time to remind them that Enugu had produced many educated personalities and rank very high in JAMB, WAEC and Unity school performance statistics, hence can't be said to be backward state.
Towns like Ozalla, Obe, Agbani, Akpugo, Udi, Nsukka, etc are also fairly urbanized and can't be said to be bushes, they have decent clusters of modern beautiful houses. Surprisingly, none of the youths there have heard of those towns. Yet, they all have a negative opinion about Enugu, based on hear say, or even out of envy.

Coming back to Enugu from Aba, I boarded a public transport, and once we got to Osisioma and the stretch of Bad roads between The Aba- Umuahia section of the Enugu-PH road, tongues started wagging in the vehicle. Majority of the passengers who were Enugu people who came to buy wares from Aba, started talking about how Abia people are backward and dirty set of people, how they are all disgrace to Ndiigbo. How they stupidly keep electing Bad leaders, how Enugu is London and Aba and Abia is pigsty. Then they went on praising themselves and their state Enugu and rantings of how organized they are filled the air.

I was hoping that an Abia person must be in the vehicle to take them up, but it soon became obvious that either there was no Abians on the vehicle, or the Abians seem subdued to argue. I was weary from my Aba mission which yielded disappointment, but these people wouldn't just stop, so I had to step in.
I asked them, if Enugu is as sophisticated and wise as they claim, how come they are coming to Aba to buy goods and not have them in Enugu? Are they not aware that Enugu is closer to Lagos and Onitsha than Aba, seeing as the seaport is in Lagos ?
I reminded them that Aba is not the capital city of Abia State, and that Enugu state as a whole has no second city as big as Aba. Infact Aba comprising of five local governments( Aba North, Aba South, Osisioma, Obingwa, Ugwunagbo) is much bigger than Enugu capital in land mass and otherwise and has more economic and industrial activities going on it, which is why they(the Proud Enugu people in the vehicle) had to leave their London Enugu and come to the Pigsty of Aba to buy goods.
I reminded them that Umuahia is the capital of Abia State, and it's as neat as Enugu.
I told them that whatever they think Enugu is today, that an Abia man by the name Micheal Okpara, whose square seats close to Enugu government house today, played a big role in it.
I went on and on.

When I was done, silence fell on the vehicle, as they all went to ponder on their One dimensional brain, and allowed me to sleep.

See, the issue with the so called disunity and arrogance Igbo groups exhibit toward each other, is that it is ignorance driven.

Many Igbo people know next to nothing about other Igbo groups and their struggles or strength, they go about running around with what ever jaundiced one sided narratives they have towards each other.
I attribute this to dearth of quality leadership in Igboland and the rise of selfish politicians hell bent on dividing us to create modern day fiefdoms for themselves.
Someone here mentioned you are a member of few Pan Igbo groups on Facebook. Kindly lift the above holy grail of an update and paste it on those forums.You can edit and give it a proper introductory paragraph. Every Igboman need to read those sermons you penned down Pazienza nwoke Oka! All you stated are same ideas and rebuttals swimming in my head whenever i read such ignorant rants from our people but am usually too angry and agitated or better still shame struck to put it in such order as you have done. May our ancestors whose spirit of wisdom you embody keep guiding you. There is hope after-all.

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Re: . by NonsoWow: 1:59pm On Oct 04, 2018
All the rubbish that pazienza wrote up there don't mean a thing to most anambra indigenes. We know our enemies and they can't fool us one bit. Anambra people and the lowlives in the envious states that border us have nothing in common.

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