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Re: . by Bede2u(m): 11:53am On Oct 09, 2018 |
pazienza:the thing i will say in this matter after reading posts from hammer6f is that if we are ever planning an independent igbo nation we MUST work with this map...no matter the opinion of the various clans captured within it...cos the wolf doesnt concern itself with the opinion of the sheep www.nairaland.com/attachments/3131018_igboland_jpeg72ffdbe9771892b98ffe883330da1679 If it means war, i will pick up arms God willing However, if we are talking about igbo within nigeria, then we must primarily work with the map of SE 3 Likes |
Re: . by pazienza(m): 11:53am On Oct 09, 2018 |
ghostfacekillar: You know why Wike would be so inclined to have Ndiigbo sidelined in PDP again, while installing his Tambuwal/Fayose pair? Wike hope to keep Ndiigbo neglect from central government long enough for him for finish his second tenure in Rivers, and then venture into the national politics where he would then prey on the minds of emotionally weak Igbos who are desperate for reunion with Ikwerres, by claiming he is Igbo, so that he could use and dump us once he clinches and uses our slot. He wish to capitalize on our political misery. Providence ensured he failed this time around. And I doubt he's given up on his ambitions. 7 Likes 1 Share |
Re: . by pazienza(m): 12:00pm On Oct 09, 2018 |
Bede2u: If you would pick up firearms to forcefully keep a people who don't want to be with you, in your new country. Tell me, how then are you different from Nigerians who forcefully kept us in a union we fought to leave in 1967? Have you ever thought of this perspective? 8 Likes 1 Share |
Re: . by Bede2u(m): 12:09pm On Oct 09, 2018 |
pazienza:i have...and my answer is...it doesnt work that way. There are differences btw countries, ethnicities and clans. America is a country. Britain is a country. They can be balkanised. Ethnicities are the larger forms of clans (read clan as tribe). They can form a nation and/or a country. It cant/shouldnt be balkanised. In nigeria, the ikwerre are a clan within the igbo ethnic nationality. Its a fact. Regardless of politics. Within nigeria, ikwerre and the larger igbo nation are still united...but in different geo-political regions. After nigeria, its left for igbo to either play mumu politics and leave ikwerre to go or play smart politics and force them back into the fold. Remember the one china policy. Taiwan are ethnic han chinese who think they should go it alone. Mainland china are filled with equally ethnic han chinese who think 'hey, over our dead body' 1 Like |
Re: . by basilo101: 12:10pm On Oct 09, 2018 |
ckenneths:Uncommon greenery |
Re: . by basilo101: 12:17pm On Oct 09, 2018 |
pazienza:We outsmarted wike and his collaborators by far. Stop makings the tout look important |
Re: . by ghostfacekillar(m): 12:32pm On Oct 09, 2018 |
pazienza:lol. And he thought since fayose is Enyi ndi ipob. We Will support them.. Afta that fayose will introduce wike as ikwerre igbo and to be trusted.... Kitakpa gbawa ya isi 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: . by basilo101: 12:34pm On Oct 09, 2018 |
hammer6F:Peter is a silent political enigma 2 Likes |
Re: . by ghostfacekillar(m): 12:36pm On Oct 09, 2018 |
basilo101:ofcos every body knew that wike is up to something since he was threatening them up and down... |
Re: . by basilo101: 12:39pm On Oct 09, 2018 |
ghostfacekillar:Peter obi neutralized them |
Re: . by ghostfacekillar(m): 1:05pm On Oct 09, 2018 |
basilo101:ofcos i trust obi.. Peter obi is smart. 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: . by ghostfacekillar(m): 1:06pm On Oct 09, 2018 |
basilo101:ofcos i trust obi.. Peter obi is smart. 2 Likes |
Re: . by ChinenyeN(m): 1:13pm On Oct 09, 2018 |
Bede2u: See how you sound.. "if it means war". 1. Your territory is not even sovereign sef, neither does it have any real sense of polity. There is no charter that binds the region, that can protect you from the political, moral or even economic consequences of even thinking in this type of mindset. 2. Your people are not mobilized, talk less of having yet gotten over a prior war to come and fight another in their own backyard. Incidentally, doing the exact same things that the non-Igbo Igbo communities have been accusing you of doing for decades now. Congratulations, you are now exactly what the SS claims you to be. 3 Likes |
Re: . by NonsoWow: 1:24pm On Oct 09, 2018 |
basilo101:Wike the thug will still have the final say in the choice of Atiku's vice. Don't underestimate him. |
Re: . by Handsomegod(m): 1:35pm On Oct 09, 2018 |
frankfrancis871:I concur totally with you. I have a town man and a distant relative who lives in Lafia. He has lands and massive farms in Akwanga,Doma and Awe.I learnt his land runs into thousands of hectares. His is a net exporter of Egusi and yams to Niger Republic and Cotonou. His is not even anywhere near the one of the 100 richest OR influential Igbo men in Nassarawa states. He sends trailer loads of different foodstuff home every Xmas. His case is a reflection of the Igbo phenomenon and industry that rattle other ethnicity. Guess what? That is a similar story of Igbos all over northern Nigeria. At the height of IPOB agitation last year,Kwankwaso appealed for caution and understanding because according to him,the worth of Igbo landed assets in Northern Nigeria is more that 7 trillion naira. Infact,Igbos have more wealth and land size bigger than the entire South East land mass. His revelation was instructive and clearly showed again the Nigerian dilenma on the Igbo question.Igbophobia is here to stay. Do you all recall the story of one Okonkwo and sons who settle in Kano in 1929? It was no fable.Chief Felix Okonkwo himself was made a member of Northern House of Chiefs in 1953. As a youngster,i used to spend my long vacations in Jos.One of the most modern markets in Nigeria used to be in Jos.99% of the tenants were Igbos.The public address system play Igbo songs all day. The jihadists bombed the market in the year 2000.That alone crippled many Igbos and led to the death of Plateau state economy which they are yet to recover from till date. Just like in Nassarawa,Igbos even owned more properties and wealth in Jos than any other northern city except Kano and Kaduna. The major hotels,best houses,best estates,all markets and major businesses were owned by Igbos. There was even a locality in Jos called Apata which is a miniature Onitsha and a similitude of Sabon Gari in Kano. Igbo songs are routinely played in churches and Igbo programmes air regularly in major radio and TV stations. The sheer population of vibrant Igbos and the wealth they command in Plateau State also presents another dilemma to the caliphate. Many Igbos have won councillorship elections in Jos Metropolis. Here above is Nigeria we all wished will become possible.As it stands,that Nigeria is dead and buried. 3 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: . by Bede2u(m): 1:37pm On Oct 09, 2018 |
ChinenyeN:If nigeria gets balkanised by war, new countries will natural form out of it. It would be igbo leaders divine duty to capture all igbo speaking areas under 'igboland'. The consequences can be argued under the simple fact that all the captured area speak same mothertongue. U.N and other powers Will understand such arguement. 2. Your people are not mobilized, talk less of having yet gotten over a prior war to come and fight another in their own backyard. Incidentally, doing the exact same things that the non-Igbo Igbo communities have been accusing you of doing for decades now.this is not 1966. If nigeria will break thru war, igbos will win massively this time around cos we are backed by defeat lessons. We already have 70% of igboland in se with a large chunk of ss ppl still loyal to the igbo nation. I think we are powerfully situated to take ikwerreland or ikaland from ijaw and benin troops who would wanna fight to have it. Am sure the north will have a handfull on their hands fighting middlebelt to even consider fighting for ikwerre and anioma Congratulations, you are now exactly what the SS claims you to be.like i said earlier, the wolf doesnt consider the opinion of the sheep. Google igboland map. The map above is the only available map on net. Even the u.n knows ikwerre as part of igboland 2 Likes |
Re: . by ChinenyeN(m): 2:01pm On Oct 09, 2018 |
Bede2u: This is a big if, considering that Nigerians are relatively complacent, and even IF balkanization occurs through war, the supposed "divine duty" you believe Igbo leaders have may surprise you. Bede2u: You have a lot of faith in your people, who are in no way prepared for war. I cannot believe how anyone can earnestly convince themselves that Igbo will win massively. Bede2u:This a problematic mindset, to say the least. It would be my hope that anyone who actually ends up in a true leadership position (as in garners the follwership of Igbo people) does not think like you do. 3 Likes |
Re: . by frankfrancis871: 2:05pm On Oct 09, 2018 |
Handsomegod:The first @bolded (7 trillion naira) is small to me because if we calculate the investments e.g the houses, hotels, shops, cars, company etc in Nassarawa LGA (the city of makama dogo) alone I think its worth billions! The second @bolded is true, in our catholic churches in Nassarawa choirs sing in Igbo, hausa, english except yoruba! I saw one lady close to our house singing in Igbo (this is someone that does not speak Igbo), Phyno music keeps booming everywhere even if they don't understand it. My plan is returning to Biafraland, I hope I make it. Igbos are everywhere 3 Likes |
Re: . by Bede2u(m): 2:28pm On Oct 09, 2018 |
ChinenyeN:its a big if...and igbo are not in a hurry. The divine duty i speak of comes naturally in the mind of igbos to always attach some kinship to folks in ss. No surprises here You have a lot of faith in your people, who are in no way prepared for war. I cannot believe how anyone can earnestly convince themselves that Igbo will win massively.if nigeria divides, it will be due to worsening economic situation. Ppl will become disillusioned by everything. Especially southerners. It will start as rumour b4 it snowballs into massive unrest in different parts of the country. The govt will soon realise that wat is going on is beyond their control. In the crisis, the igbo nation will just be one out of many fighting to leave the union. The massive win i mean is that after leaving the union alongside many southern nations, the next war will be to make gains into the niger delta..in order to gain sea access. Our main enemies will be ijaw and bini and we are larger than both of them put together and multiplied by 2. This a problematic mindset, to say the least. It would be my hope that anyone who actually ends up in a true leadership position (as in garners the follwership of Igbo people) does not think like you do.only an igbo leader who is pro ss/se can garner the fellowership of a true leader in igboland. Ditto nnamdi kanu |
Re: . by basilo101: 2:40pm On Oct 09, 2018 |
NonsoWow:All his kindergarten politics are well known to us |
Re: . by Daewang: 2:43pm On Oct 09, 2018 |
Pazienza for President. |
Re: . by horsepower101: 3:03pm On Oct 09, 2018 |
frankfrancis871: May God continue to protect you my brother. But make sure you buy weapons to defend yourself. Don’t be caught unawares. Please tell all your family members and friends to start bringing back their investments to the east. This is very important. In case anything happens. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: . by pazienza(m): 3:04pm On Oct 09, 2018 |
Daewang: Hehe. Nwanne, on top Wetin nah. 1 Like |
Re: . by frankfrancis871: 3:07pm On Oct 09, 2018 |
horsepower101:Amen, thank you so much for your prayers! 1 Like |
Re: . by PabloAfricanus(m): 3:08pm On Oct 09, 2018 |
Bede2u: Bede2u: Sorry, but you're a disgusting idia.t Your naivete, lack of tact and outright silliness is frightening. Are you for real? for real, real? Like those unfortunate souls in those "territories" are just gonna fold their hands and watch you carve them up as you wish? Just because you can or just because of some phantom igbonic divine duty? Again you're a stupendously ignorant and disgusting id.iat. I see your fellows here nailing down the realities on ground for your kith and kin and all you can come up with is a surefire strategy for utter defeat? Have you given any thought to feelings and aspirations of the peoples in those "territories"? Maybe they have valid reasons for the disdain and extreme suspicion they have for people from your enclaves? I see, and I was thinking it's just standard tribalism. This shhh.ittt runs deeper than I thought. You guys are nuts! Some of you Igbos are destined to learn diplomacy the hard way. Hopefully, the messiahs from your enclave do not adopt this mindset of yours. Hopefully. 2 Likes |
Re: . by Handsomegod(m): 3:41pm On Oct 09, 2018 |
PabloAfricanus:Hi Pablo. Tone it down. I and many here are glad you spoke up in defense of your people. Disregard whatever excesses embedded in Bede's update. I can detect very deep animosity and anger in every single letter of your rebuttal. I,just like many here sincerely do not know the underlying cause of these deep seated animosities from the minorities. I guess it is historical or cultural. May i genuinely appeal you take us through the historical basis as it were. The disdain and extreme suspicion you mentioned for emphasis. Do not forget the guy you quoted stated his personal opinion which does not in anyway represent the general opinion or any Igbonic divine duty. Please keep the conversation clean bro and lets really talk. 1 Like |
Re: . by Bede2u(m): 3:42pm On Oct 09, 2018 |
PabloAfricanus:1st of all u are a yoruba man so wat can i say to ur write-up? Afterall wasnt it ur fathers who joined an alliance with our fathers' enemies to commit genocide against my people. In wat way can ur people ever have the best interest of my ppl at heart? 2ndly u are telling me about diplomacy? how did gani adams become famous? adeyinka grandson and a host other yorubas in opc? by speading love and diploma? bitchh please. the most uncouth criticism of buhari is no longer coming from ffk, doyin okupe and fayose? Its no longer yorubas that are described as 'mouthed'? 3rdly the areas i talked about speak igbo and have igbo cultures. there is no different at all btw se igbo and these areas. just a matter of post-war politics. u think we should do nothing and let it slide? do u knw the history of why ikwerre is not igbo today? it simple...they were part of the rivers province of old easter region. oil got discovered in their land and gowon carved them entirely out as a state. the old rivers state was dominated by ijaw who hated igbo dominance of eastern region. so these igbos fearing that the ijaws will pay them back decided that they are no longer igbos. they went on an active change of name and history to blend into rivers alongside other minorities. is that wat u want igbos to forget? 4thly. will yorubas forget lagos diplomatically if tomorrow lagosians (many of whom come from all over nigeria) decide that they want to be independent of the yoro nation? why |
Re: . by Bede2u(m): 3:44pm On Oct 09, 2018 |
Handsomegod:he is yoruba |
Re: . by Handsomegod(m): 3:55pm On Oct 09, 2018 |
Bede2u:Whatever his provenance and circumstances of birth,i sincerely wish someone can boldly come up with these epic litany of crimes Igbos committed against the southern minorities.This must exclude the silly civil war orchestrated propaganda. I have read extensively on the governance of the Eastern Region and nothing exists there to indict the Igbos or the minorities.Eastern Region ran the most inclusive government in that era and the facts are available and will be posted on request.Yet,the phony story of Igbo crimes against Southern Minorities kept being bandied about. Something has to give to clear this cloud of danger once and for all. |
Re: . by Bede2u(m): 4:05pm On Oct 09, 2018 |
Handsomegod:its simple... 1st there was the issue of south cameroon who felt they werent politically included....read their elites didnt get much appointments. 2nd in 1958 oil got discovered in ijaw and ogoni land and the dudes started scheming to secede. ofcourse aguiiyi ironsi as hos squashed their dreams and left them bitter and saying igbos are dominating 3rdly was how eyo ita lot out to zik in 1953 the rest is propaganda by ijaw and efik losers which sadly mixed with post-war yoruba/arewa propaganda to manufacture things that werent there. can u imagine that the owners of ph (ikwere) which is easts largest city are complaining that govt didnt build schools or hospitals for them. lol if govt didnt build anything in ph, how did it become the largest city in east? why where ppl rushing there? 1 Like |
Re: . by Nobody: 4:08pm On Oct 09, 2018 |
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Re: . by Handsomegod(m): 4:14pm On Oct 09, 2018 |
Bede2u: Unlike Yorubas and Hausa-Fulani overlords, Igbos are divinely gifted in MANAGING DIVERSITY. You may compare how the Yorubas treated Western minorities to how Igbos treated Eastern minorities. As long as the Western Region lasted, a non-Yoruba was never allowed to be the Governor or Head of Govt or Premier or Deputy Leader or Head of House of Chiefs or Mayor in Ibadan. (The non-Yorubas in Western Region were the Itsekiri, Edo, Ishan, Urhobo, Isoko, Western Igbo, etc) The Igbos were so egalitarian that they allowed non-Igbos to occupy most of these positions FIRST. Eyo Ita was the very first Head of Govt of Eastern region at the same time when Adaka Boro was elected first SUG President of UNN (the only University in the Region); Alhaji Umaru Altine (who arrived Enugu as a Fulani cattle rearer!) was first Mayor of Enugu; the Obong of Uyo was first leader of the Eastern house of chiefs and Margaret Ekpo was the first woman to be elected into Eastern House of Chiefs and also the leader of the NCNC women's wing; The first Governor of the Eastern Region was an Ebonyi man; the last leader of Biafra was Phillip Effiong, and all the Provinces in Biafra had governors from the indigenous people. The first Eastern industrial estates were sited in PH and Calabar (not in present SE); the first Eastern university was sited in Nsukka - one of the Northern-most parts of Eastern Region with its other campus in Calabar (now University of Calabar); the only cattle ranch created by Eastern Region was sited in Obudu (In contrast, Awo's govt sited every MAJOR institution in the core Yoruba areas). Ndigbo treated the Eastern minorities so well, that Gowon and the British were sure that if a plebiscite were conducted in Eastern minority areas, less than 1/3 of the minorities would vote against Biafra. So, Gowon rejected all calls made by Ojukwu for plebiscite in the Eastern minority areas. All mentioned above and many more are verifiable history. Also,Ogonis,Anangs and other splinter groups had vital and sensitive positions allotted to them just to ensure a foundation of genuine brotherhood was built. I am still waiting for someone with superior facts to show up 3 Likes |
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