Rgade:
Where??

Enugu

Rgade:
Where??

Okpara Avenue Enugu. My plate of Nkwobi Or

Bede2u:
1st of all u are a yoruba man so wat can i say to ur write-up? Afterall wasnt it ur fathers who joined an alliance with our fathers' enemies to commit genocide against my people. In wat way can ur people ever have the best interest of my ppl at heart?

2ndly u are telling me about diplomacy? how did gani adams become famous? adeyinka grandson and a host other yorubas in opc? by speading love and diploma? bitchh please. the most uncouth criticism of buhari is no longer coming from ffk, doyin okupe and fayose? Its no longer yorubas that are described as 'mouthed'?

3rdly the areas i talked about speak igbo and have igbo cultures. there is no different at all btw se igbo and these areas. just a matter of post-war politics. u think we should do nothing and let it slide?
do u knw the history of why ikwerre is not igbo today? it simple...they were part of the rivers province of old easter region. oil got discovered in their land and gowon carved them entirely out as a state. the old rivers state was dominated by ijaw who hated igbo dominance of eastern region. so these igbos fearing that the ijaws will pay them back decided that they are no longer igbos. they went on an active change of name and history to blend into rivers alongside other minorities. is that wat u want igbos to forget?

4thly. will yorubas forget lagos diplomatically if tomorrow lagosians (many of whom come from all over nigeria) decide that they want to be independent of the yoro nation? why

What a silly fooool.
Your type are destined to be used for target practice with absolutely no regrets.
Firstly, you lack tact and subtlety.
Next the word discretion is apparently alien to wherever you come from.
Lastly the lack of historical leadership figures where you come from shows in the extreme disregard for diplomacy you and your co travellers are exhibiting here.

Have you ever, ever sat down one day to ask yourself why the Ikwerres and others feel the way they do?
Like it's never bothered you for once? Or maybe you're blissfully ignorant of how they see you people?

Do you know what is frightening about your brand of stup.idity?
You're planning to rob a heavily fortified bullion van with a battalion of soldiers as escorts, and your first plan is to block the road and order both the occupants of the bullion van and the escorts to step out with their hands raised and calmly hand over the bags of cash to you.
All with a booming voice and brogaddacio only!

You're getting to get yourself a one way ticket to meet your ancestors, and your unfortunate co travellers will probably never get the chance to tell how hot lead feels in the body.

Why are you id.iats soooo thougthless and emotional?
If you had any semblance of superior force or compelling political strength, then your fantasies might have been excused.
Here you are, threatening to carve up lands of a people who would rather mortgage their unborn generations to the Fulanis or Yorubas than allow themselves share a mutually beneficial political arrangement with you.
I get it that this is an anonymous forum where anyone can post their thoughts, but I sincerely hope this is not how some of you Igbos are thinking.


Why do you have to compare yourselves to Yorubas?
Are they a benchmark for you?

PabloAfricanus:


What a silly fooool.
Your type are destined to be used for target practice with absolutely no regrets.
Firstly, you lack tact and subtlety.
Next the word discretion is apparently alien to wherever you come from.
Lastly the lack of historical leadership figures where you come from shows in the extreme disregard for diplomacy you and your co travellers are exhibiting here.

Have you ever, ever sat down one day to ask yourself why the Ikwerres and others feel the way they do?
Like it's never bothered you for once? Or maybe you're blissfully ignorant of how they see you people?

Do you know what is frightening about your brand of stup.idity?
You're planning to rob a heavily fortified bullion van with a battalion of soldiers as escorts, and your first plan is to block the road and order both the occupants of the bullion van and the escorts to step out with their hands raised and calmly hand over the bags of cash to you.
All with a booming voice and brogaddacio only!

You're getting to get yourself a one way ticket to meet your ancestors, and your unfortunate co travellers will probably never get the chance to tell how hot lead feels in the body.

Why are you id.iats soooo thougthless and emotional?
If you had any semblance of superior force or compelling political strength, then your fantasies might have been excused.
Here you are, threatening to carve up lands of a people who would rather mortgage their unborn generations to the Fulanis or Yorubas than allow themselves share a mutually beneficial political arrangement with you.
I get it that this is an anonymous forum where anyone can post their thoughts, but I sincerely hope this is not how some of you Igbos are thinking.


Why do you have to compare yourselves to Yorubas?
Are they a benchmark for you?

the lack of tact is from u. shouting up and down and cursing me changes nothing.

80% of igbos in SE take ikwerre and anioma as igbo territories and will defend it with their blood. the rest of ur gibberish are just that....gibberish.

meanwhile learn how to talk b4 i get u banned for insults.

Bede2u:
the lack of tact is from u. shouting up and down and cursing me changes nothing.

80% of igbos in SE take ikwerre and anioma as igbo territories and will defend it with their blood. the rest of ur gibberish are just that....gibberish.

meanwhile learn how to talk b4 i get u banned for insults.

Bede.It is time to "jump and pass" this matter. Your points were made. I wish Pablo had engaged us all on a comprehensive history class and lessons to drive his points home. On the contrary,none came forth. Please allow this to pass. Ndewo.

Handsomegod:


Unlike Yorubas and Hausa-Fulani overlords, Igbos are divinely gifted in MANAGING DIVERSITY.

You may compare how the Yorubas treated Western minorities to how Igbos treated Eastern minorities.

As long as the Western Region lasted, a non-Yoruba was never allowed to be the Governor or Head of Govt or Premier or Deputy Leader or Head of House of Chiefs or Mayor in Ibadan. (The non-Yorubas in Western Region were the Itsekiri, Edo, Ishan, Urhobo, Isoko, Western Igbo, etc)

The Igbos were so egalitarian that they allowed non-Igbos to occupy most of these positions FIRST. Eyo Ita was the very first Head of Govt of Eastern region at the same time when Adaka Boro was elected first SUG President of UNN (the only University in the Region); Alhaji Umaru Altine (who arrived Enugu as a Fulani cattle rearer!) was first Mayor of Enugu; the Obong of Uyo was first leader of the Eastern house of chiefs and Margaret Ekpo was the first woman to be elected into Eastern House of Chiefs and also the leader of the NCNC women's wing; The first Governor of the Eastern Region was an Ebonyi man; the last leader of Biafra was Phillip Effiong, and all the Provinces in Biafra had governors from the indigenous people.

The first Eastern industrial estates were sited in PH and Calabar (not in present SE); the first Eastern university was sited in Nsukka - one of the Northern-most parts of Eastern Region with its other campus in Calabar (now University of Calabar); the only cattle ranch created by Eastern Region was sited in Obudu (In contrast, Awo's govt sited every MAJOR institution in the core Yoruba areas).

Ndigbo treated the Eastern minorities so well, that Gowon and the British were sure that if a plebiscite were conducted in Eastern minority areas, less than 1/3 of the minorities would vote against Biafra. So, Gowon rejected all calls made by Ojukwu for plebiscite in the Eastern minority areas.
All mentioned above and many more are verifiable history. Also,Ogonis,Anangs and other splinter groups had vital and sensitive positions allotted to them just to ensure a foundation of genuine brotherhood was built. I am still waiting for someone with superior facts to show up

Sooo why were those minorities not sympathetic to the Igbo cause after the war?
Going by your "facts" above, they should have remembered what benefits they gained from the Igbos and helped them recover right?

Let me give you a tidbit of history.
Do you have any idea the amount of carnage the Fulanis wrought in Hausa land?
Did you know Adamawa state of today was made up of lands forcefully taken from natives by mere contingent of Fulani invaders? Did you know Adamawa was even cut into two with one half going to Cameron and another going to Nigeria?
Did you know none of the Emirates across the length and breadth of the north has ever been ruled by the actual natives of those lands but only Fulanis?
Why have these natives never risen up in revolt against the very harsh and firm rule of the Fulanis?
Why are they still loyal to the Caliphate despite being ruled by an invader minority?

I will give you 5 reasons,
ability to apply the right amount of diplomacy,
ability to appeal to religious and cultural emotions ability to acquire and wield military force,
ability to play state politics,
political and economic benefits


Sadly these concepts are alien to silly id.iats like you.
You're making yourself out to be exactly what other ethnic groups think you are, a greedy landgrabber.

What exactly are you offering to them for allowing you carve them up as you wish?
What do they stand to gain by going with you and your wonderful plans?
Why did Balewa work for his Fulani lords despite the status of his people as slaves to the Bauchi emirate?
The Fulanis had something to offer, on a large scale.

You idi.ats on the other hand just about have nothing to offer yourselves, talk less of having remainders to offer a people who would suspect a gift from you without any ulterior motives.

Now what response do you expect when your motive is clearly sinister and devious?
Was this what Nnamdi Kanu had cooking?

^^^^ this guy's thought is childish. lets leave him be

but he can bank on it that igbos will never leave ikwerre alone. the chances of that happening is close to zero. everyother thing he is saying is the rants of a frustrated person.

Bede2u:
the lack of tact is from u. shouting up and down and cursing me changes nothing.

80% of igbos in SE take ikwerre and anioma as igbo territories and will defend it with their blood. the rest of ur gibberish are just that....gibberish.

meanwhile learn how to talk b4 i get u banned for insults.

the fact you're blissfully ignorant of your gaffe is enough comedy on it's own
You are sillllyyyyy to the nth degree.
No wonder you people are always resisted by neighbours who should have been sympathetic to your cause.
Have you ever, ever wondered why the Ikwerres, Efiks, Ijaws and others have never bothered to form a political block with you id.iats?
I honestly thought that was the logical thing to do considering the historical ties, but this blew me away!
Sheep and wolves really?
And to think I was rooting for you i.diats.

I think the biggest problem facing Ndigbo is stupidity of its youth. Only few people like Pazensia and Pabloafricanus are enlightened. Some people are yet tonne cured and sanctified from always attaching themselves o people who don't give a fvck about them.

Bede2u:
he is yoruba

He isn't Yoruba.
I don't really know where he is from, but he had always shown interest in the identity crisis of the Igboid groups of SS. He always shows up in every thread the Igboid identity issue is being discussed. He's an old timer here, you don't know him because you are relatively new here. He has refused to say where he is from, preferring to remain ethnically anonymous.

See, you are new to this SS Igboid Igbophobic game. There are so many things you don't understand about it, and it does show in your arguments. Some of us have been at the forefront of this issue since 2007, so we know better. We had also taken out time to visit these areas, interacted with the commoners and therefore, when we speak, we speak with authority and with facts on ground, and not based on fantasies or wishes.

I had taken time to analyze the issue of the Igbophobic Igboids in SS, and had reached my current resolve about them. It took me 11years to get to where I'm with those people today, and I'm sure if you are pragmatic and open minded,, you would still reach where I'm today with them.
See, the feeling you are passing through Now, it's called "grief". It's the feeling every Igbo person passes through once forced to deal with the Igbophobic stench of those Igboid groups. It has five stages, and by my reckoning, you are at the second stage. Lots of people here are at the first stage.

See the stages here:

1. Denial.
This is the stage most Igbos go into once faced with Igboid Igbophobia. They try to rationalize things. If it were online, they claim the Igbophobic Igboid man is an impostor from Yorubaland. At this stage, your mind can't just wrap around the fact that an Emeke from Ukwuani, or an Emeka from Emohua,habours the same resentment towards you, if not more, than the Hausa-Fulani and Yorubas do. It's unsettling.
If it's in real life, they deceive themselves into believing that the Igbophobic Man is alone in his Igbo denial, or that he represents only but a minority of his people. They go on to look for few Igboids who are indifferent about their Igbo identity or pro Igbo,and claim they are the majority that should be listened to.
99.9% of IPOB members are still at this stage.


2. Anger.

This is the stage you are currently at. It's the stage when it dawns on you that the majority of Igboids are really resentful of their Igbo tag. You know you can't keep living in denial any longer about the situation.
So you go into a frenzy, blaming everything, looking for means to change things to the way you wish they should be, even if by force. It's the anger in you speaking. I have been there and back. This stage is the most difficult stage, because it's the stage where you are really struggling to give up, but don't want to. This is the stage, the Igbophobic Igboids also would tempt you into becoming abusive to them, and then they would use it to justify their distortions and allegations of Igbo desire to dominate them. This is was the stage I was always clashing with ChinenyeN in Ikwerre/Anioma related threads.

3. Bargaining.

Ehe! This is the point you would have learnt that threat of violence against Igbo resenting and even hating Igboids wouldn't happen, so you start bargaining,, looking for ways to plead to them to accept Igbo tag. You are basically on your knees at this stage, ready to accept any bullshit from them, just to have them accept they are Igbo. You also rush and defend them, and try to diminish every obvious display of Igbophobia they exhibit. Some people on this thread are on this stage. Let me not mention names.

4. Depression.

Aha! This was the state I was in for last two years, when I joined facebook pages of these groups and visited their towns. It's better experienced than explained. But you need to pass through it, to gain a better perspective of issues at hand.

5. Acceptance. This is the stage I'm currently in. The state at which you accept things the way they are. No ifs or buts,, no fantasies and projections, no viewing of things through rose tinted glasses, no sugar coating of issues.
This is the stage of clarity, when it all begins to make sense to you. You understand that you must work with what you have, and you would even begin to appreciate what you have, and wondered how you missed out on noticing this, because you were to obsessed with having what you don't necessarily need. Its the stage you become totally emotionally detached from the Igboids. You becone cold and real with them.


Only those who truly are patriotic to Igbo nation passees through these stages of grief. So, the fact you are passing through them, shows that your heart is at the right place, so I would say, Dalu.
My advice to you is that you stay steadfast, don't allow any thing or anyone extinguish that flame burning inside of you, because Nwanne, Igboland would need it, if we must crawl out of our present conundrum.

pazienza:


By Igbo tradition, she is now SE. Her Children and husband are both Abians.

Ofcourse, she remains an Ogwashiukwu daughter, but her share is now in Abia state.
As a minister of finance, she represented Abia State and not Delta.

If she is representing SE, then no problem.
If SS, please, Peter Obi should go there.
SE as an autonomous zine has tried for PDP and deserves a top seat this time around.
If PDP fails to field an SE candidate, I am not voting any of PDP or APC

PabloAfricanus:


Sooo why were those minorities not sympathetic to the Igbo cause after the war?
Going by your "facts" above, they should have remembered what benefits they gained from the Igbos and helped them recover right?

Let me give you a tidbit of history.
Do you have any idea the amount of carnage the Fulanis wrought in Hausa land?
Did you know Adamawa state of today was made up of lands forcefully taken from natives by mere contingent of Fulani invaders? Did you know Adamawa was even cut into two with one half going to Cameron and another going to Nigeria?
Did you know none of the Emirates across the length and breadth of the north has ever been ruled by the actual natives of those lands but only Fulanis?
Why have these natives never risen up in revolt against the very harsh and firm rule of the Fulanis?
Why are they still loyal to the Caliphate despite being ruled by an invader minority?

I will give you 5 reasons,
ability to apply the right amount of diplomacy,
ability to appeal to religious and cultural emotions ability to acquire and wield military force,
ability to play state politics,
political and economic benefits


Sadly these concepts are alien to silly id.iats like you.
You're making yourself out to be exactly what other ethnic groups think you are, a greedy landgrabber.

What exactly are you offering to them for allowing you carve them up as you wish?
What do they stand to gain by going with you and your wonderful plans?
Why did Balewa work for his Fulani lords despite the status of his people as slaves to the Bauchi emirate?
The Fulanis had something to offer, on a large scale.

You idi.ats on the other hand just about have nothing to offer yourselves, talk less of having remainders to offer a people who would suspect a gift from you without any ulterior motives.

Now what response do you expect when your motive is clearly sinister and devious?
Was this what Nnamdi Kanu had cooking?

So why were those minorities not sympathetic to the Igbo cause after the war?
The above question you asked cleanly betrayed your infantile disposition and non suitability for this discussion. You failed to advance any view or argument capable of advancing this discourse. I can as well be casting my pearls to a brood of swines!
You went ahead to compare a blood thirsty,immoral,uncivilized, unconscionable and ignoble lot like Fulani's to Igbos! Smh! We are eons apart in civilization and worldview. The Fulanis who are original and one of the majority ethnic groups in Guinea and Gambia today have been reduced to endangered species in their home country because of same immoral and unvilized tendency they exhibit here in Nigeria.Same fate await them here in due time.Take that to the bank. For you to eulogize such a despicable tendency also further betrayed your moral code and humane aspirations. Needless seeking to know your provenance. Little wonder Nigeria is a zoo and an irredeemable cesspit of evil.Damn pitiful,blundering shame of a shithole.

aniomafirstson:

she is representing SS
any problem?

modified: she is representing ss/se

There is nothing like SS/SE.
SE is separate from SS.
This is what happened wit Emefiele and Co.

SE has tried for PDP and NOI candidature will make sense if she represents SE.
We need to spread our tentacles so that Igbo will gain from SS and SE too.
If you keep doing this lumping, an Ikwerre
or Ogba person will keep taking SE positions in the name of SS/SE

InyinyaAgbaOku:


There is nothing like SS/SE.
SE is separate from SS.
This is what happened wit Emefiele and Co.

SE has tried for PDP and NOI candidature will make sense if she represents SE.
We need to spread our tentacles so that Igbo will gain from SS and SE too.
If you keep doing this lumping, an Ikwerre
or Ogba person will keep taking SE positions in the name of SS/SE

Throughout her Political career, she had always represented Abia.
Infact at a point, some misguided elements in Abia who were eyeing ministerial slots, became angry with her, and quried why she wouldnt go and take Delta slot since she is from Delta. But eventually, they were silenced by sensible Abians and sanity was restored.

And I agree with you. There is nothing like SE/SS.
SS/SE is a vehicle for economic and political emasculation of Ndiigbo, through which Igbophobic Igboid groups in SS can grab Igbo political and economic opportunities, while still insulting our intelligence with their outright Igbo resentment.

Every well breastfed Igbo man must as a matter of urgency, denounce and reject the SS/SE fraud.

Handsomegod:



So why were those minorities not sympathetic to the Igbo cause after the war?
The above question you asked cleanly betrayed your infantile disposition and non suitability for this discussion. You failed to advance any view or argument capable of advancing this discourse. I can as well be casting my pearls to a brood of swines!
You went ahead to compare a blood thirsty,immoral,uncivilized, unconscionable and ignoble lot like Fulani's to Igbos! Smh! We are eons apart in civilization and worldview. The Fulanis who are original and one of the majority ethnic groups in Guinea and Gambia today have been reduced to endangered species in their home country because of same immoral and unvilized tendency they exhibit here in Nigeria.Same fate await them here in due time.Take that to the bank. For you to eulogize such a despicable tendency also further betrayed your moral code and humane aspirations. Needless seeking to know your provenance. Little wonder Nigeria is a zoo and an irredeemable cesspit of evil.Damn pitiful,blundering shame of a shithole.

Ha!
A neophyte talking with strong emotions!
You're really appealing to morality and ethics when it comes to power? How naive.

Another poser for you i.diats,
Why did the British chose to install all the major military sites in the North, help the North get higher numbers in the first census and practically hand over the new country to them?
You know despite the Hausa Fulanis such immoral, uncivilized, blood thirsty baddies as you opined?
And they're hard core jihadists not Xtians to booth?
Ever thought about it?
Why did the British not pick you good, moral, civilized and lamb like Igbo xtians?

I think I get it now, the Igbos have no experience with kingdoms, empires or state politics.
You really can't wrap your ahead around the concept of power politics can you?
If you did, you would not written that emotional juvenile verbiage.
But it's allowed. You will learn the hard way.

pazienza:


He isn't Yoruba.
I don't really know where he is from, but he had always shown interest in the identity crisis of the Igboid groups of SS. He always shows up in every thread the Igboid identity issue is being discussed. He's an old timer here, you don't know him because you are relatively new here. He has refused to say where he is from, preferring to remain ethnically anonymous.

See, you are new to this SS Igboid Igbophobic game. There are so many things you don't understand about it, and it does show in your arguments. Some of us have been at the forefront of this issue since 2007, so we know better. We had also taken out time to visit these areas, interacted with the commoners and therefore, when we speak, we speak with authority and with facts on ground, and not based on fantasies or wishes.

I had taken time to analyze the issue of the Igbophobic Igboids in SS, and had reached my current resolve about them. It took me 11years to get to where I'm with those people today, and I'm sure if you are pragmatic and open minded,, you would still reach where I'm today with them.
See, the feeling you are passing through Now, it's called "grief". It's the feeling every Igbo person passes through once forced to deal with the Igbophobic stench of those Igboid groups. It has five stages, and by my reckoning, you are at the second stage. Lots of people here are at the first stage.

See the stages here:

1. Denial.
This is the stage most Igbos go into once faced with Igboid Igbophobia. They try to rationalize things. If it were online, they claim the Igbophobic Igboid man is an impostor from Yorubaland.
If it's in real life, they deceive themselves into believing that the Igbophobic Man is alone in his Igbo denial, or that he represents only but a minority of his people. They go on to look for few Igboids who are indifferent about Igbo identity or pro Igbo,and claim they are the majority that should be listened to.
99.9% of IPOB members are still at this stage.


2. Anger.

This is the stage you are currently at. It's the stage when it dawns on you that the majority of Igboids are really resentful of their Igbo tag. You know you can't keep living in denial any longer about the situation.
So you go into a frenzy, blaming everything, looking for means to change things to the way you wish they should be, even if by force. It's the anger in you speaking. I have been there and back. This stage is the most difficult stage, because it's the stage where you are really struggling to give up, but don't want to. This is the stage, the Igbophobic Igboids also would tempt you into becoming abusive to them, and then they would use it to justify their distortions and allegations of Igbo desire to dominate them. This is was the stage I was always clashing with ChinenyeN in Ikwerre/Anioma related threads.

3. Bargaining.

Ehe! This is the point you would have learnt that threat of violence against Igbo resenting and even hating Igboids wouldn't happen, so you start bargaining,, looking for ways to plead to them to accept Igbo tag. You are basically on your knees at this stage, ready to accept any bullshit from them, just to have them accept they are Igbo. You also rush and defend them, and try to diminish every obvious display of Igbophobia they exhibit. Some people on this thread are on this stage. Let me not mention names.

4. Depression.

Aha! This was the state I was in for last two years, when I joined facebook pages of these groups and visited their towns. It's better experienced than explained. But you need to pass through it, to gain a better perspective of issues at hand.

5. Acceptance. This is the stage I'm currently in. The state at which you accept things the way they are. No ifs or buts,, no fantasies and projections, no viewing of things through rose tinted glasses, no sugar coating of issues.
This is the stage of clarity, when it all begins to make sense to you. You understand that you must work with what you have, and you would even begin to appreciate what you have, and wondered how you missed out on noticing this, because you were to obsessed with having what you don't necessarily need. Its the stage you become totally emotionally detached from the Igboids. You becone cold and real with them.


Only those who truly are patriotic to Igbo nation passees through these stages of grief. So, the fact you are passing through them, shows that your heart is at the right place, so I would say, Dalu.
My advice to you is that you stay steadfast, don't allow any thing or anyone extinguish that flame burning inside of you, because Nwanne, Igboland would need it, if we must crawl out of our present conundrum.

Nawa. Everyone has really engaged in self transformations over the years. I am beside myself reading this.

pazienza:


He isn't Yoruba.
I don't really know where he is from, but he had always shown interest in the identity crisis of the Igboid groups of SS. He always shows up in every thread the Igboid identity issue is being discussed. He's an old timer here, you don't know him because you are relatively new here. He has refused to say where he is from, preferring to remain ethnically anonymous.

See, you are new to this SS Igboid Igbophobic game. There are so many things you don't understand about it, and it does show in your arguments. Some of us have been at the forefront of this issue since 2007, so we know better. We had also taken out time to visit these areas, interacted with the commoners and therefore, when we speak, we speak with authority and with facts on ground, and not based on fantasies or wishes.

I had taken time to analyze the issue of the Igbophobic Igboids in SS, and had reached my current resolve about them. It took me 11years to get to where I'm with those people today, and I'm sure if you are pragmatic and open minded,, you would still reach where I'm today with them.
See, the feeling you are passing through Now, it's called "grief". It's the feeling every Igbo person passes through once forced to deal with the Igbophobic stench of those Igboid groups. It has five stages, and by my reckoning, you are at the second stage. Lots of people here are at the first stage.

See the stages here:

1. Denial.
This is the stage most Igbos go into once faced with Igboid Igbophobia. They try to rationalize things. If it were online, they claim the Igbophobic Igboid man is an impostor from Yorubaland.
If it's in real life, they deceive themselves into believing that the Igbophobic Man is alone in his Igbo denial, or that he represents only but a minority of his people. They go on to look for few Igboids who are indifferent about Igbo identity or pro Igbo,and claim they are the majority that should be listened to.
99.9% of IPOB members are still at this stage.


2. Anger.

This is the stage you are currently at. It's the stage when it dawns on you that the majority of Igboids are really resentful of their Igbo tag. You know you can't keep living in denial any longer about the situation.
So you go into a frenzy, blaming everything, looking for means to change things to the way you wish they should be, even if by force. It's the anger in you speaking. I have been there and back. This stage is the most difficult stage, because it's the stage where you are really struggling to give up, but don't want to. This is the stage, the Igbophobic Igboids also would tempt you into becoming abusive to them, and then they would use it to justify their distortions and allegations of Igbo desire to dominate them. This is was the stage I was always clashing with ChinenyeN in Ikwerre/Anioma related threads.

3. Bargaining.

Ehe! This is the point you would have learnt that threat of violence against Igbo resenting and even hating Igboids wouldn't happen, so you start bargaining,, looking for ways to plead to them to accept Igbo tag. You are basically on your knees at this stage, ready to accept any bullshit from them, just to have them accept they are Igbo. You also rush and defend them, and try to diminish every obvious display of Igbophobia they exhibit. Some people on this thread are on this stage. Let me not mention names.

4. Depression.

Aha! This was the state I was in for last two years, when I joined facebook pages of these groups and visited their towns. It's better experienced than explained. But you need to pass through it, to gain a better perspective of issues at hand.

5. Acceptance. This is the stage I'm currently in. The state at which you accept things the way they are. No ifs or buts,, no fantasies and projections, no viewing of things through rose tinted glasses, no sugar coating of issues.
This is the stage of clarity, when it all begins to make sense to you. You understand that you must work with what you have, and you would even begin to appreciate what you have, and wondered how you missed out on noticing this, because you were to obsessed with having what you don't necessarily need. Its the stage you become totally emotionally detached from the Igboids. You becone cold and real with them.


Only those who truly are patriotic to Igbo nation passees through these stages of grief. So, the fact you are passing through them, shows that your heart is at the right place, so I would say, Dalu.
My advice to you is that you stay steadfast, don't allow any thing or anyone extinguish that flame burning inside of you, because Nwanne, Igboland would need it, if we must crawl out of our present conundrum.

You're smart.
Your problem is one of political consciousness and leadership, not necessarily all these emotional appeals to reason.
A politically conscious people will gauge the temperature of the other party they're dealing with before acting or making pronouncements.
A quality that is lacking among you lots.

I always wondered why there was so much animosity to anything Igbo among their neighbors.
I was taken aback by the attitude of not even these Ikwerres to the Igbo thing, but specifically Onitsha and Aniomas in general.
You guys have bigger fish to fry with Onitsha in your very midst as they hold nothing but fresh disdain for Igbos and exhibit outright hostility to anything Igbo.

I was like, to non Igbos, Onitsha people are probably stereotypical Igbos and Onitsha is the first Igbo city that comes to mind.
Why are they hell bent on emphasising a Bini connection that accounts for less than 2% of everything that is Onitsha identity? You know despite their historical claims to Bini whatever, despite confusing Bini cultural influence with Bini origin and never being able to account for the language thing?
It was pure comedy watching grown men and women call a people whom they practically share 99% of everything with, "nwa onye Igbo".
I thought maybe hinterland Igbos must have been kicking their behinds big time in the past, only to be told they forbade marriage in the past with hinterland Igbos.
So why the hilarious attempt to distance themselves from anything Igbo?
Maybe I get it now.
A lack of social and political etiquette that mars even a strong culture like yours.

pazienza:


He isn't Yoruba.
I don't really know where he is from, but he had always shown interest in the identity crisis of the Igboid groups of SS. He always shows up in every thread the Igboid identity issue is being discussed. He's an old timer here, you don't know him because you are relatively new here. He has refused to say where he is from, preferring to remain ethnically anonymous.

See, you are new to this SS Igboid Igbophobic game. There are so many things you don't understand about it, and it does show in your arguments. Some of us have been at the forefront of this issue since 2007, so we know better. We had also taken out time to visit these areas, interacted with the commoners and therefore, when we speak, we speak with authority and with facts on ground, and not based on fantasies or wishes.

I had taken time to analyze the issue of the Igbophobic Igboids in SS, and had reached my current resolve about them. It took me 11years to get to where I'm with those people today, and I'm sure if you are pragmatic and open minded,, you would still reach where I'm today with them.
See, the feeling you are passing through Now, it's called "grief". It's the feeling every Igbo person passes through once forced to deal with the Igbophobic stench of those Igboid groups. It has five stages, and by my reckoning, you are at the second stage. Lots of people here are at the first stage.

See the stages here:

1. Denial.
This is the stage most Igbos go into once faced with Igboid Igbophobia. They try to rationalize things. If it were online, they claim the Igbophobic Igboid man is an impostor from Yorubaland.
If it's in real life, they deceive themselves into believing that the Igbophobic Man is alone in his Igbo denial, or that he represents only but a minority of his people. They go on to look for few Igboids who are indifferent about Igbo identity or pro Igbo,and claim they are the majority that should be listened to.
99.9% of IPOB members are still at this stage.


2. Anger.

This is the stage you are currently at. It's the stage when it dawns on you that the majority of Igboids are really resentful of their Igbo tag. You know you can't keep living in denial any longer about the situation.
So you go into a frenzy, blaming everything, looking for means to change things to the way you wish they should be, even if by force. It's the anger in you speaking. I have been there and back. This stage is the most difficult stage, because it's the stage where you are really struggling to give up, but don't want to. This is the stage, the Igbophobic Igboids also would tempt you into becoming abusive to them, and then they would use it to justify their distortions and allegations of Igbo desire to dominate them. This is was the stage I was always clashing with ChinenyeN in Ikwerre/Anioma related threads.

3. Bargaining.

Ehe! This is the point you would have learnt that threat of violence against Igbo resenting and even hating Igboids wouldn't happen, so you start bargaining,, looking for ways to plead to them to accept Igbo tag. You are basically on your knees at this stage, ready to accept any bullshit from them, just to have them accept they are Igbo. You also rush and defend them, and try to diminish every obvious display of Igbophobia they exhibit. Some people on this thread are on this stage. Let me not mention names.

4. Depression.

Aha! This was the state I was in for last two years, when I joined facebook pages of these groups and visited their towns. It's better experienced than explained. But you need to pass through it, to gain a better perspective of issues at hand.

5. Acceptance. This is the stage I'm currently in. The state at which you accept things the way they are. No ifs or buts,, no fantasies and projections, no viewing of things through rose tinted glasses, no sugar coating of issues.
This is the stage of clarity, when it all begins to make sense to you. You understand that you must work with what you have, and you would even begin to appreciate what you have, and wondered how you missed out on noticing this, because you were to obsessed with having what you don't necessarily need. Its the stage you become totally emotionally detached from the Igboids. You becone cold and real with them.


Only those who truly are patriotic to Igbo nation passees through these stages of grief. So, the fact you are passing through them, shows that your heart is at the right place, so I would say, Dalu.
My advice to you is that you stay steadfast, don't allow any thing or anyone extinguish that flame burning inside of you, because Nwanne, Igboland would need it, if we must crawl out of our present conundrum.

you knw its funny... my 1st stage actually was the one u described as last. B4 i neva use to consider ss igbos as actual igbos. I thought all of them were called ''eka igbo'' and that all of them were igbophobic. But i knew that they had a connection with igbo somehow.

Wen i entered uni i met a few of them especially from delta state. They neva spoke igbo to me...and one of them was particularly hostile. I never took it to heart cos i always thought there werent igbo.

It was after my uni days that i started coming to nairaland and following politics beyond newspapers. That was wen i learnt a lot about ss igbos. And realised that some of them are actually igbos and that not all of them are ''eka igbo''. That was also wen i read igbo political history and came to the conclusion that igbo nation must identify and reunite with them.

Wen i joined this thread and read ur opinion was wen i also shifted again and held the view that it seems the attachment to them is costing the igbo nation politically. So my view now is this;

1. Within nigeria, ss igboid groups are not igbos. And must not be allowed to gain wat is supposed to come to igbo
2. Outside nigeria or post nigeria, ss igboid groups are part of the igbo nation. Their lands belong to us and if need be, we must fight to claim it...regardless of who thinks other wise and who comes here to hide behind keyboard to insult his betters.

Its the bitter politics that the igbo nation should start playing

EXCERPTS FROM THE BOOK "Poorlitics" authored by Senator Bukar Abba Ibrahim and Chief Agha Egwu.

HANGOVERS OF WAR!

The Igbo suffered a sad and terrible fate for which sorrow and regret fills my heart, for nothing deserves that such a fate should befall any group of people, for any reason. However, there were simply no winners from that war. The hangovers from that war and the crimes committed still bedevil the whole nation. It is from that war that young men learnt about guns, armed robbery, kidnapping and cultism that holds our nation hostage today. Before the war, we hardly experienced such things. It is from that war that our young women learned to become prostitutes, seduced by soldiers, who had learnt the art of rape and orgies on the battlefront. After the war, the soldiers took their newfound lust all over the country, and gradually turned our young women in our universities into fledgling prostitutes. That tradition of prostitution by students in our universities remains with us until today, and may have even percolated down to secondary schools. Before the war, such things did not exist.

Worst of all, for the next forty years after that war, we were ruled by military men that experienced the depravity of war, and they ruled us with that brutality, with an army of young soldiers who were also soaked in the culture of war and abuse of power. Many of those military men, as they grew into wise sages, have recanted and regretted the horrible experiences and cannot even talk about them, but some are still adamant, still trying to justify the unjustifiable. If the events of 1966 to 1970 were to repeat themselves today, many Nigerian leaders would have been arraigned before the International Criminal Court of Justice. They would never have held the positions of authority that gave them the opportunity to corrupt our nation further.

War taught us the art of massive corruption; looted our country dry and turned us into a social desert in the midst of plenty. The war sucked the groundnut pyramids away from the North, filled the oil palm lakes of the East with blood and sent locusts to consume the cocoa fields of the West. That was how military adventurers sucked our nation dry with corruption and depravity, honed in the theatres of war. As a Governor, I watched the once fertile lands of my youth slowly convert into desert.

As I pondered the immoral desert that Nigeria became, I wondered how the oil that God planted in the South-South Zone could be used to water the rolling fields of the North, turn them into gardens of agricultural delight and plant industries of productivity across the South; but the garden remained an illusion, and the industries, remained pockets of urban squalor. Instead, Niger Delta militants went to the creeks to fight for oil and independence, whilst northern militants fought for Islamic territories and power. As they warred and killed, the party in Abuja continued, an oasis of modernity and civility, where our wealth was poured on a barren desert.

After the Civil War, in January 1970, Gowon declared, “No Victors, No Vanquished!” Certainly, there were no victors of that war. There were only the vanquished. We were all vanquished. Although, innocent Igbo people bore the brunt of the immediate carnage visited upon them, all Nigerians endured the ravages of a warped national psyche. It had destroyed our governance space, squandered our wealth, badly educated our children, emptied our hospitals of care and drugs, spread hunger amongst the majority of our people, the poor peasantry, and probably killed more people, since the war, than the food embargo on Biafra ever managed to kill. The past cannot be recovered, even if it could be atoned for. However, the most important question has always been, how could we pour the water of good leadership on the desert of corruption and lost opportunities in Nigeria?
...

Bede2u make u stop that nonsense. No be by force to drag person

Bede2u:
its a big if...and igbo are not in a hurry. The divine duty i speak of comes naturally in the mind of igbos to always attach some kinship to folks in ss. No surprises here

I guess time will tell with this. It's easy for either of us to say what we believe will happen, whether it is based off supposition or preconceived notions and steadfastness to Igbo nationalism. Personally, as someone who comes from a community with real kinship history with SS as opposed to the kinship that comes from 'Igbohood', I can definitively state that I believe anyone who puts faith in such 'divine duty' is wasting their time.

Bede2u:
if nigeria divides, it will be due to worsening economic situation. Ppl will become disillusioned by everything. Especially southerners. It will start as rumour b4 it snowballs into massive unrest in different parts of the country. The govt will soon realise that wat is going on is beyond their control. In the crisis, the igbo nation will just be one out of many fighting to leave the union. The massive win i mean is that after leaving the union alongside many southern nations, the next war will be to make gains into the niger delta..in order to gain sea access. Our main enemies will be ijaw and bini and we are larger than both of them put together and multiplied by 2.

Considering the sort of exposure Nigerians have to the rest of the world, I'd say that the disillusionment should have already long since set in. Southerners have been chiming disillusionment more so than anyone else. In the present One Naija, the SS has probably suffered the most as a group because the situation has degraded beyond just economics and has been environmental as well for the longest time. Nigerian's have had several chances to divide, but division does not solve the population's most immediate needs, and I suspect we are all aware of this. Igbo people have much to lose with division, especially within the context of a crisis; having yet again spread themselves throughout other parts of the country. The resentment against Igbo is much stronger than you can imagine, and Igbo doesn't even have the heart for war. I do not foresee a massive win as you state.

Bede2u:
only an igbo leader who is pro ss/se can garner the fellowership of a true leader in igboland. Ditto nnamdi kanu

I cannot sit here and qualify what a true leader will be for the region. The unmistakable disparity between the SS and SE regions renders such discussion ultimately moot.

ghostfacekillar:
Bede2u make u stop that nonsense. No be by force to drag person

I tire. Giving inconsequential Groups, a sense of relevancy.

PabloAfricanus:


You're smart.
Your problem is one of political consciousness and leadership, not necessarily all these emotional appeals to reason.
A politically conscious people will gauge the temperature of the other party they're dealing with before acting or making pronouncements.
A quality that is lacking among you lots.

I always wondered why there was so much animosity to anything Igbo among their neighbors.
I was taken aback by the attitude of not even these Ikwerres to the Igbo thing, but specifically Onitsha and Aniomas in general.
You guys have bigger fish to fry with Onitsha in your very midst as they hold nothing but fresh disdain for Igbos and exhibit outright hostility to anything Igbo.

I was like, to non Igbos, Onitsha people are probably stereotypical Igbos and Onitsha is the first Igbo city that comes to mind.
Why are they hell bent on emphasising a Bini connection that accounts for less than 2% of everything that is Onitsha identity? You know despite their historical claims to Bini whatever, despite confusing Bini cultural influence with Bini origin and never being able to account for the language thing?
It was pure comedy watching grown men and women call a people whom they practically share 99% of everything with, "nwa onye Igbo".
I thought maybe hinterland Igbos must have been kicking their behinds big time in the past, only to be told they forbade marriage in the past with hinterland Igbos.
So why the hilarious attempt to distance themselves from anything Igbo?
Maybe I get it now.
A lack of social and political etiquette that mars even a strong culture like yours.

Well, I understand your points. But this is a pan Igbo thread,, strictly meant for only Igbos.

You have an anonymous ethnicity, and therefore, going by our rules here, your posts shouldn't be replied.

You can read our conversations though.

Thanks for your understanding.

pazienza:


Throughout her Political career, she had always represented Abia.
Infact at a point, some misguided elements in Abia who were eyeing ministerial slots, became angry with her, and quried why she wouldnt go and take Delta slot since she is from Delta. But eventually, they were silenced by sensible Abians and sanity was restored.

And I agree with you. There is nothing like SE/SS.
SS/SE is a vehicle for economic and political emasculation of Ndiigbo, through which Igbophobic Igboid groups in SS can grab Igbo political and economic opportunities, while still insulting our intelligence with their outright Igbo resentment.

Every well breastfed Igbo man must as a matter of urgency, denounce and reject the SS/SE fraud.

Well, no problem if she is representing SE.

We don too try for PDP

Handsomegod:

EXCERPTS FROM THE BOOK "Poorlitics" authored by Senator Bukar Abba Ibrahim and Chief Agha Egwu.

HANGOVERS OF WAR!

The Igbo suffered a sad and terrible fate for which sorrow and regret fills my heart, for nothing deserves that such a fate should befall any group of people, for any reason. However, there were simply no winners from that war. The hangovers from that war and the crimes committed still bedevil the whole nation. It is from that war that young men learnt about guns, armed robbery, kidnapping and cultism that holds our nation hostage today. Before the war, we hardly experienced such things. It is from that war that our young women learned to become prostitutes, seduced by soldiers, who had learnt the art of rape and orgies on the battlefront. After the war, the soldiers took their newfound lust all over the country, and gradually turned our young women in our universities into fledgling prostitutes. That tradition of prostitution by students in our universities remains with us until today, and may have even percolated down to secondary schools. Before the war, such things did not exist.

Worst of all, for the next forty years after that war, we were ruled by military men that experienced the depravity of war, and they ruled us with that brutality, with an army of young soldiers who were also soaked in the culture of war and abuse of power. Many of those military men, as they grew into wise sages, have recanted and regretted the horrible experiences and cannot even talk about them, but some are still adamant, still trying to justify the unjustifiable. If the events of 1966 to 1970 were to repeat themselves today, many Nigerian leaders would have been arraigned before the International Criminal Court of Justice. They would never have held the positions of authority that gave them the opportunity to corrupt our nation further.

War taught us the art of massive corruption; looted our country dry and turned us into a social desert in the midst of plenty. The war sucked the groundnut pyramids away from the North, filled the oil palm lakes of the East with blood and sent locusts to consume the cocoa fields of the West. That was how military adventurers sucked our nation dry with corruption and depravity, honed in the theatres of war. As a Governor, I watched the once fertile lands of my youth slowly convert into desert.

As I pondered the immoral desert that Nigeria became, I wondered how the oil that God planted in the South-South Zone could be used to water the rolling fields of the North, turn them into gardens of agricultural delight and plant industries of productivity across the South; but the garden remained an illusion, and the industries, remained pockets of urban squalor. Instead, Niger Delta militants went to the creeks to fight for oil and independence, whilst northern militants fought for Islamic territories and power. As they warred and killed, the party in Abuja continued, an oasis of modernity and civility, where our wealth was poured on a barren desert.

After the Civil War, in January 1970, Gowon declared, “No Victors, No Vanquished!” Certainly, there were no victors of that war. There were only the vanquished. We were all vanquished. Although, innocent Igbo people bore the brunt of the immediate carnage visited upon them, all Nigerians endured the ravages of a warped national psyche. It had destroyed our governance space, squandered our wealth, badly educated our children, emptied our hospitals of care and drugs, spread hunger amongst the majority of our people, the poor peasantry, and probably killed more people, since the war, than the food embargo on Biafra ever managed to kill. The past cannot be recovered, even if it could be atoned for. However, the most important question has always been, how could we pour the water of good leadership on the desert of corruption and lost opportunities in Nigeria?
...

You're naive and ignorant if you believed all that.
First off, you're going to have to grapple with the fact that someone had to pay for sending the Sardauna, Balewa and Zakariya to greet their ancestors prematuredly, that's for the Hausas.
For the Yorubas, someone had to pay for not only snuffing out the top Yoruba officer Ademulegun, but also Sodeinde. You have not even accounted for the bigger fish Akintola. Who made the coupists judges over the lives of leading Yoruba leaders?
You then have to account for Okotie Eboh to the Mid Western region.

Let's forget about the smaller fries who lost their lives too.

So where do you start from?

PabloAfricanus:


You're naive and ignorant if you believed all that.
First off, you're going to have to grapple with the fact that someone had to pay for sending the Sardauna, Balewa and Zakariya to greet their ancestors prematuredly, that's for the Hausas.
For the Yorubas, someone had to pay for not only snuffing out the top Yoruba officer Ademulegun, but also Sodeinde. You have not even accounted for the bigger fish Akintola. Who made the coupists judges over the lives of leading Yoruba leaders?
You then have to account for Okotie Eboh to the Mid Western region.

Let's forget about the smaller fries who lost their lives too.

So where do you start from?

Context sir! Context! We have already trashed issues of the war including the fiction and fable of culpability and the revisionism therein. Feel free to go back 20 pages back and read up. That is assuming you do not already know the truth about events leading to the putsch and the fall out. Whichever way any honest analyst reviews the war,Nigeria was and remains worse off. Ultimately,war or a massive upheaval of such scale would have engulfed the country sooner than later considering the prevailing realities of that era. All are pointing to one reality most people are avoiding:Nigeria is huge blunder and mistake! Alios!

pazienza:

Well, I understand your points. But this is a pan Igbo thread,, strictly meant for only Igbos.

You have an anonymous ethnicity, and therefore, going by our rules here, your posts shouldn't be replied.

You can read our conversations though.

Thanks for your understanding.

Not when your co travellers are busy making inciteful statements that can heat up the polity.
Not when you lots are talking trash that's gonna get innocent Igbos suyalized for no fault of theirs.
You lots need a hand to guide you for your own good I'm sorry to say.

You lack the required tact to discuss issues affecting non aligned parties without inciting more hate to innocents who will probably never know why they're attacked.
I will be here watching and responding as I see fit.
I'll advise you to continue and heed my advise if you can, very optional of course.

Please, we don't want non Igbos infiltrating this thread and derailing it with long irrelevant discussions.

Let's try and stop replying Pabloafricanus. Let him view the thread like the rest of non Igbo NL are doing.

If he has any issue with the points we raise here, let him open a thread about it and invite us. If we are interested, we would visit him, if we are not, we ignore him.

Umunna, let's try and observe this, if we want this thread not to descend into endless front and back with non Igbos that might condemn the thread to tribalism section.

I have been here long enough to know how such debates with non Igbos ends.

Dalunu. Ofu obi bu ike anyi.

Ignore him and watch him leave.
Believe me, it always works.

Jokwanu!

Bede2u:
i have...and my answer is...it doesnt work that way. There are differences btw countries, ethnicities and clans.

America is a country. Britain is a country. They can be balkanised.

Ethnicities are the larger forms of clans (read clan as tribe). They can form a nation and/or a country. It cant/shouldnt be balkanised.

In nigeria, the ikwerre are a clan within the igbo ethnic nationality. Its a fact. Regardless of politics. Within nigeria, ikwerre and the larger igbo nation are still united...but in different geo-political regions.
After nigeria, its left for igbo to either play mumu politics and leave ikwerre to go or play smart politics and force them back into the fold.

Remember the one china policy. Taiwan are ethnic han chinese who think they should go it alone. Mainland china are filled with equally ethnic han chinese who think 'hey, over our dead body'

The only mumu politics I see here is forcing sb that hates you into a union.
Some of you are full of it

PabloAfricanus:
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Sorry, but you're a disgusting idia.t
Your naivete, lack of tact and outright silliness is frightening.
Are you for real? for real, real?
Like those unfortunate souls in those "territories" are just gonna fold their hands and watch you carve them up as you wish?
Just because you can or just because of some phantom igbonic divine duty?
Again you're a stupendously ignorant and disgusting id.iat.
I see your fellows here nailing down the realities on ground for your kith and kin and all you can come up with is a surefire strategy for utter defeat?
Have you given any thought to feelings and aspirations of the peoples in those "territories"?
Maybe they have valid reasons for the disdain and extreme suspicion they have for people from your enclaves?
I see, and I was thinking it's just standard tribalism. This shhh.ittt runs deeper than I thought.
You guys are nuts!
Some of you Igbos are destined to learn diplomacy the hard way.

Hopefully, the messiahs from your enclave do not adopt this mindset of yours.
Hopefully.[/s]

You are nothing but a frustrated old wretched nonentity who lacks the capcity to trace the source of his tribulations.
Nothing differs you from a slowpoke and ezi ofia.
You don't have the monopoly of insults.

Normal human beings are replying and disagreeing with superior arguments without throwing tantrums, but mentally unstable slum dweller like you who belongs to the gutter won't fail to show us that you really inherited stupidity from your miserable parents.
I will bury you alive in this thread if you don't receive sense inside your hopeless skull and argue intelligently like other progressive people here without throwing insults
Report me to the mod .... Inconsequential lowlife coward.
Ozu nwuru anwu.

Bede2u:
you knw its funny... my 1st stage actually was the one u described as last. B4 i neva use to consider ss igbos as actual igbos. I thought all of them were called ''eka igbo'' and that all of them were igbophobic. But i knew that they had a connection with igbo somehow.

Wen i entered uni i met a few of them especially from delta state. They neva spoke igbo to me...and one of them was particularly hostile. I never took it to heart cos i always thought there werent igbo.

It was after my uni days that i started coming to nairaland and following politics beyond newspapers. That was wen i learnt a lot about ss igbos. And realised that some of them are actually igbos and that not all of them are ''eka igbo''. That was also wen i read igbo political history and came to the conclusion that igbo nation must identify and reunite with them.

Wen i joined this thread and read ur opinion was wen i also shifted again and held the view that it seems the attachment to them is costing the igbo nation politically. So my view now is this;

1. Within nigeria, ss igboid groups are not igbos. And must not be allowed to gain wat is supposed to come to igbo
2. Outside nigeria or post nigeria, ss igboid groups are part of the igbo nation. Their lands belong to us and if need be, we must fight to claim it...regardless of who thinks other wise and who comes here to hide behind keyboard to insult his betters.

Its the bitter politics that the igbo nation should start playing

Nnaa, on the bold.
Hateful Igbophobic Igboid groups like Ikwerre cannot be part of Igbo nation. You can't build a nation with such people. How hard is this for you to grasp, what's wrong with you. Are you always this impervious to reasoning?
Their lands belongs to them, and not to us. How can you even habour this kind of barbaric sentiment in 21st century. That's totally un Igbo.

We don't need to play bitter politics. We need to play pragmatic politics. Which involves making sure we protect our Igbo identity from vultures and impostors from those Igbophobic Igboids who desire to keep us perpetually politically irrelevant, by preying on the minds of the weak ones amongst us, to claim political offices and economic opportunities, which otherwise belongs to us.
This is why it's the task of every Igbo man, to insist at any point in time that Ikwerre and their co travellers are not Igbos, and that an Ikwerre person and their co travellers in Rivers and Delta, cannot represent us in any capacity or form.
We must be unequivocal about this.