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Re: . by PabloAfricanus(m): 7:56pm On Oct 09, 2018 |
Obi1kenobi: Like I told you before, you lack the historical background to reason through the question you asked. You're appealing to morality and ethics, comparing yourself to Fulanis who should have been more demonized, hated and rejected due to their bad ways right? You're naive and ignorant I'm sorry to say. Diplomacy implies power and rulership, at least within the context of politics. If you had studied northern history and made sense of it, you'd have known what the jihadists offered the pagan tribes they conquered. It was Islam or death. Yeah that was terrible right? How bad of them ![]() Fact was civilization was creeping up on the backward tribes across Africa, the Islamists were encroaching from North Africa while the Europeans were barging in from the Atlantic. Sooner or later, their way of life, access to markets, rights over their lands and freedom to practice their pagan beliefs was going to be challenged by whichever conquerors got to them first. And when conquerors take over, they usually control the economic, social and political lives of the peoples they conquered. The Fulanis set up emirates to rule the lands they conquered, you had to belong to even trade or live as a freeborn. If you belonged, meaning you believed ole Muhammad and his sky daddy were waiting with goodies somewhere up in sky, you had access to an organized empire stretching from Gobir in today's Niger republic to Adamawa in today's Cameron to Ilorin. Trade in metals, minerals,salt, cotton and produce was restricted within their domains to tax paying citizens. If you were an unbeliever and didn't believe in Muhammad's sky daddy, well, the Arab slave trade was the most profitable business of the day. Diplomacy was needed when the Fulanis had to deal with the Kanem Bornos whom they stole quite a chunk of territory from. Diplomacy was needed when the Fulanis had to deal with the other jihadist empires copying dan Fodios template. Diplomacy was needed when the Fulanis had to deal with the Kebbawas and their resolve to retain the last standing Habe kingdom. Diplomacy was needed when they took over the Nupe kingdom and installed a Fulani dynasty over the Native Nupe dynasty. Diplomacy was needed when Alimi rendered his services to Afonja and gradually settled Ilorin with ex slaves, immigrants and soldiers loyal to him. I could go on, but I'm guessing you wouldn't understand. You should pay me for the history lesson. ![]() |
Re: . by pazienza(m): 7:57pm On Oct 09, 2018 |
nnamdijonathan: He isn't Igbo. At least he is honest enough not to claim Igbo. Unlike you. Maybe you should learn just that one trait from him. 5 Likes 1 Share |
Re: . by Abagworo(m): 8:03pm On Oct 09, 2018 |
The problem Igbos have with not only minorities but rest of Nigeria is simply our competitive culture. We believe in freedom and equality but lack stratification and equity in our dictionary. Other Nigerians believe in stratification and equity at least to some extent. To Igbos others are lazy but to others Igbos would do everything possible to have their way even though without physical confrontation. I've done this research over and over yet arrive at same conclusion. Is Igbo way of life bad? I don't think so and it's not enough for the dusdain. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: . by Xander85: 8:04pm On Oct 09, 2018 |
superlightning: Don't be deceived by his copious use of the laughing emoticon....it has as much meaning as the grin of a crazed psycho! ![]() I can sense growing anger and seething rage with every subsequent post he makes! 1 Like |
Re: . by pazienza(m): 8:10pm On Oct 09, 2018 |
OK. Focus on education. SE seem to be ahead on education. 5 Likes 1 Share
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Re: . by PabloAfricanus(m): 8:18pm On Oct 09, 2018 |
Xander85: Another primitive African. Ok let me give you a preview of my glorious ethnicity. I currently live in Calabar, so I qualify as a SE. My family were part of Oba Ovomramwen's entourage when he was exiled by the British. My grand mother, great grand mother were Igbos from... Before the exile, my family were part of the Ife party that followed Oronmiyan back to Bini to support the new dynasty. My family were responsible for the... of the Oba. While at Ife, my family were part of the Nupe and Igbo ![]() Did you know the historical relationship between Nupes, ancient Igbos and the original inhabitants of Ife? na joke oooo, seriously, blame it on too much NL debates in the culture section ![]() I'm just a Nigerian like you. happy now? 2 Likes |
Re: . by pazienza(m): 8:20pm On Oct 09, 2018 |
Ebonyi seem to be on the rear on education in SE, and I think it's down to the neglect that part of Igboland suffered for so long. Now they have their own state, and things can only get better. Many poor Ebonyi people had also left the villages to all towns in SE, and beyond in attempt to beat poverty and better their families. I noticed that this generation of Ebonyians making this rural to Urban drift, often have to drop from school and go into trading, starting usually from street hawking and other menial job. This generation are hardworking and determined to leave a foundation for their upcoming siblings and children. Soon, their Labour would start bearing fruits, because they would Now be able to pay for school fees for their younger siblings and children, something their parents couldn't offer them. Ebonyi state government is also playing a big role. Ebonyi is getting it right. These are our brothers who many ignorant ones amongst us like to belittle without trying to walk through their shoes. I have a friend from Ngbo in Ohaukwu LGA, a coursemate in the University, I once went home with him because I wanted to know better. Ebonyi is a blessing to Igboland, one-day, we will all come to realize how incomplete we would be without them. 11 Likes 1 Share |
Re: . by Handsomegod(m): 8:20pm On Oct 09, 2018 |
pazienza:Well,not only in education but on almost all HD indices and projections. After a careful study of some key developmental features since 1999,i gave kudos to most South East governors given the historical and perpetual systemic deprivation they battle with to steer their states ahead. Just delve further into other areas of development and you will be shocked at what the results say. However,on the above,Ebonyi truly has to buckle up.I recall Sam Egwu placed an embargo on street trading during his regime and that forced many children of school age into the classrooms.The results of that policy will start manifesting soon.I also hope Dave Umahi continued on same path. Nice one! 6 Likes 1 Share |
Re: . by superlightning: 8:21pm On Oct 09, 2018 |
Where does the critical percentage of out-of-school children start from? 10%? 20%? 30%? Pls intepret this statistic. |
Re: . by pazienza(m): 8:22pm On Oct 09, 2018 |
Where is Chino ![]() ![]() 1 Like |
Re: . by horsepower101: 8:23pm On Oct 09, 2018 |
pazienza: I have just been watching him from the sidelines since he created that account pretending to be something he is not. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: . by pazienza(m): 8:24pm On Oct 09, 2018 |
superlightning: The source is there. From multiple indicator cluster from NBS. I saw it somewhere. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: . by PabloAfricanus(m): 8:27pm On Oct 09, 2018 |
Abagworo: Igbos unfortunately are not more competitive than the Hausa Fulanis, despite what you might believe. Or the Yorubas, as these 2 groups understand the bigger dynamics and realities of state craft way better than Igbos. They simply don't waste time with crumbs, but go for the table itself. Power is the game and controlling the benefits of power is the field of play. Sadly Igbos don't have a clue. Your problem is organized leadership. Other ethnic groups see you as amorphous and lawless since there is no visible leadership structure. They simply do not have a handle to relate with Igbos effectively, hence your individualism sticks out like a sore thumb and the sins of one is generalized over the many. Now compare that to dealing with Hausas who dominate the cattle and, forex trade. There is always a visible hierarchy indigenes of any land they're operating in can rely on to curb their excesses. Of course Igbos have unions and all that, but have you considered the fact that Igbos still have not been able to present political leadership interfaces that other ethnic groups can identify or relate with? Think about it. |
Re: . by Nobody: 8:27pm On Oct 09, 2018 |
Bede2u: lol, just like saying that the Benin people should claim Anioma by force because it is part of Benin land. Ikwerri is officially an ethnic group in Nigeria although still recognized as sub-igbo and I fully respect that. Stop this your "by-force" join join. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups_in_Nigeria |
Re: . by superlightning: 8:29pm On Oct 09, 2018 |
PabloAfricanus: Check the indices on education posted by pazienza and see how "competitive" your people are. 4 Likes |
Re: . by GuyWise(m): 8:30pm On Oct 09, 2018 |
Xander85:He is from one of the inconsequential minorities down south, too afraid to mention his tribe but badmouthing those who are 100% better than his people. Just laugh at him and ignore him. 5 Likes 2 Shares
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Re: . by revolt(m): 8:31pm On Oct 09, 2018 |
Obi1kenobi:when I read his point I realised hes either fulani or is definitely a mad ndeltan. |
Re: . by pazienza(m): 8:31pm On Oct 09, 2018 |
nnamdijonathan: Ikwerre is not a sub group of any Igbo. Ikwerre is an independent ethnic nationality. Who trace their history from Bini. They are simply a group of confused Bini people, who jettisoned their Bini language for Igbolanguage, which they distorted to create the stuff they call Ikwerre language today. This is the official story of Ikwerre as recognized by Ogbako Ikwerre, and prominent Ikwerre people like Late Elechi Amadi. Don't get it twisted. ![]() 8 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: . by Nobody: 8:33pm On Oct 09, 2018 |
PabloAfricanus: not every Igbo man can handle the truth. God bless u one more time |
Re: . by superlightning: 8:38pm On Oct 09, 2018 |
pazienza: Post civil war narratives are to be taken with a pinch of salt. Research and scientific submissions categorize them as Igbo whether you agree or disagree. You will never see such postwar narratives accepted by more informed anthropologists anywhere in the world. Why? Because they engage in Igbo culture and tradition. They should leave our igwuocha (pH) and go back to Bini if they are truly Bini. |
Re: . by Nobody: 8:46pm On Oct 09, 2018 |
PabloAfricanus: 10 gboza for you. |
Re: . by horsepower101: 8:46pm On Oct 09, 2018 |
superlightning: Since when has Ikwerre care about your research. Even if you publish thorough peer to peer research work, it won’t change anything for them. Abeg talk something else. Let’s move on to something else. 4 Likes |
Re: . by pazienza(m): 8:47pm On Oct 09, 2018 |
superlightning: Lol! ![]() You are beginning to sound like Bede2u. What's the obsession with that 3rd world city called Ph all about? It couldn't even make it into resilient city category, which Enugu did. PH is an empty third world city, it's not like it's NY or London or anything. The City planning is piss poor. Everything happening through congested Aba road. With the sprawling Rumus with old bungalows and "public yards". Worst still, the city is shared between Ikwerre and Ijaws and a future theatre of war, once coastal Ijaw groups gets their oil Rivers state and insist on going with their own part of Ph, leaving Ikwerre and the rest of upland Rivers with a landlocked state with no access to offshore derivation Money. Hmm. You IPOB people better snap out of it already. There is nothing spectacular about Ph. We already have better planed cities in SE, and we can build world standard cities from the scratch, once we focus home (SE). 9 Likes |
Re: . by horsepower101: 8:49pm On Oct 09, 2018 |
pazienza: Thanks again and again and again. |
Re: . by PabloAfricanus(m): 8:49pm On Oct 09, 2018 |
superlightning: Don't be pained kid, those numbers don't count in the bigger scheme of things. Check it out, OBJ came back after 1979 to rule. PMB came back after 1985 to rule. What were your blodas doing? Passing exams or what? ![]() Well, you're contradicted by the fact that you and your blodas are rejoicing over the mere handing of a party ticket to Atiku, a man from those "less educated" peoples and not just that, but are praying and hoping he doesn't dump you guys and pick a VP from say the SS or SW. Your blodas are even threatening to boycott if he picks a on SE VP? But seriously, why should he? What does he stand to gain in concrete terms? If you were Atiku would you? If your blodas comments here are any indicator of your feelings, you'd probably not be able to do anything about it, other than to resign yourself to your fate. If Atiku fails to win the 2019 elections, you'd still be dancing to whichever tune catches the fancy of "less educated" men from those "low education index" states. Now how about that? ![]() |
Re: . by superlightning: 8:51pm On Oct 09, 2018 |
horsepower101: Like I said, they are sick. The ones well among them should be embraced. Others..... Kick them out of your agenda. Igwuocha bu alaigbo....50 years of post war propaganda cannot change the boundary of alaigbo. Let them go to Edo state if they are Edo. There is always a black sheep in every family. Ikwerre is a black sheep. |
Re: . by Xander85: 8:51pm On Oct 09, 2018 |
nnamdijonathan: I've always suspected your claims to Igbo ethnicity and your true intentions on this thread. Not any more! Must admit you had me fooled at some point, as you've used the tried and tested technique of contributing a lot on Igbo-themed threads...joining us in discussing Igbo affairs with as much fervour as true Igbo kinsfolk! Get a life mate! 5 Likes |
Re: . by Yyeske(m): 8:52pm On Oct 09, 2018 |
pazienza:Woww, Anambra always leading 2 Likes |
Re: . by ckenneths(m): 8:52pm On Oct 09, 2018 |
basilo101: I tell you, I enjoy nature a lot. |
Re: . by ghostfacekillar(m): 8:53pm On Oct 09, 2018 |
What is wrong with our people... I think people who keep bringing ph into our discussion knws what they are doing. 1 Like |
Re: . by Handsomegod(m): 8:54pm On Oct 09, 2018 |
nnamdijonathan:You know I was very frontal in tackling and exposing your fake Igbo credentials when you first came up with that foolish decoy of a moniker. All along,I watched as you subtly rejoice gleefully at all anti -Igbo issues and at the same time trying to sound "belonged". Okay,oya review and tell me the truths contained in what that rabble rouser mentioned above. We all are watching as you gleefully keep clapping and chipping at his inanities. You fooled some but you didn't fool me. I detect your types from afar! Be proud and declare your rabid stock.Truth gbukwe gi there! Ezi Bida! 2 Likes |
Re: . by superlightning: 8:57pm On Oct 09, 2018 |
PabloAfricanus: So how does our "misfortune" affect you? Are you here because igbos want to vote atiku? Is that your headache? Despite your obj, buhari, bla bla bla, how has yorubaland fared educationally? SE still rocks educationally, and it aches you badly. Take heart. |
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