Afolabi6046:
why are you sweating on something you didn't even start

Once again, you can't displace someone that finished outside the top four the season before. "Arsenal was a hot team before Leicester displaced them in 2015". That's pretty weird because Leicester displaced Chelsea actually.


Liverpool made 2nd twice in 10yrs, so making 2nd is fvcking new to them. They mostly make 6,7,8. They are unbeaten after 12 games in ages because they have managed to unusually conceded just 5 goals and that's because they now have Klopp, VVD and Allison. I've repeated that before but the hot. blood flowing in ur body noh allow you look well. By this time last season, they were scoring more goals but conceding too, now they have reduced scoring and conceding. Figure it out.


Now, if you still don't understand my unchanging narrative, please don't quote me again, i'm sure you're not that jobless. This one is looking hard for someone to correct, Raumdueter's prodigy

What morally daft person am I dialoguing with, OMG?

But you can displace someone that did not finish in the top 4 the season prior ?

So a team that is first by match 35 and finishes 2nd to the team that were 3rd was not displaced by that team in that season?

The analogy just makes you qualify as a prime candidate for the Chelsea-supporting dullards that I shied away from calling you originally.

Fret not, you have made your case. You deserve it. You are a dullard. Next.

ELLruditor

Eruditor you like wahala o

9 games without a goal for Hazard ?

Leyqute:
Lookat Kortoise

tortoise and d girl who they leak pass
Both than turn apere ajase

Eruditor:


What morally daft person am I dialoguing with, OMG?

But you can displace someone that did not finish in the top 4 the season prior ?

So a team that is first by match 35 and finishes 2nd to the team that were 3rd was not displaced by that team in that season?

The analogy just makes you qualify as a prime candidate for the Chelsea-supporting dullards that I shied away from calling you originally.

Fret not, you have made your case. You deserve it. You are a dullard. Next.

Bros I just tire to dey back and forth with people like that. I don't know why people don't like accepting mistakes and move on, instead they try to dribble their way out. Na wetin make the nscdc boss (my oga at the top) fumble be that; trying to raise dust for floor wey flood Don cover...smh

Afolabi6046:
he's known to promote what favours him, he once said transfermarket.com knows better than FIFA.com

One of the facts apari raumdeuter used to impress lordfalcao.

Only fools would say VVD inclusion has not improved Liverpool's defence and made them to be where they are on the table.

No time arguing with fools all the time.

BlackManta:


You deliberately ignored the 3 major places VVD leads Laporte but focused on only interceptions.

The interceptions sef is very close.

LaPorte got 1.3 and VVD has 1.2.

Very close.

Meanwhile VVD dey give LaPorte serious gap for blocks and clearances.

He also leads LaPorte in tackles.

Of course you saw that but you deliberately pretend you no see am.

Lordfalcao, come and see your mentor, raumdeuter, doing what he knows best. Shameless apari.

Opta: For the first in the 2018/19 season, Hazard is not the case study during an international break, rather VVD & Liverpool. Progress.

BlackManta:


You deliberately ignored the 3 major places VVD leads Laporte but focused on only interceptions.

The interceptions sef is very close.

LaPorte got 1.3 and VVD has 1.2.

Very close.

Meanwhile VVD dey give LaPorte serious gap for blocks and clearances.

He also leads LaPorte in tackles.

Of course you saw that but you deliberately pretend you no see am.

Not Also forgetting the fact Vvd is a better leader than laporte..
that guy can Marshall and a organise a defence eh

Lana1:
Opta: For the first in the 2018/19 season, Hazard is not the case study during an international break, rather VVD & Liverpool. Progress.

Lol.. Adelana


Real progress man

Eruditor:


What morally daft person am I dialoguing with, OMG?

But you can displace someone that did not finish in the top 4 the season prior ?

So a team that is first by match 35 and finishes 2nd to the team that were 3rd was not displaced by that team in that season?

The analogy just makes you qualify as a prime candidate for the Chelsea-supporting dullards that I shied away from calling you originally.

Fret not, you have made your case. You deserve it. You are a dullard. Next.

This thing is simple

Liverpool was usurped by City in 2014 when Gerrard slipped but dude was trying to tell me Liverpool was a very strong team and 2nd position wasn't new to them before City hypothetically DISPLACED them. Which is not right, because the last time they finished in the top four before then was 2009. The position they are now is the best they have been in decades niccur, no amount of insults would change that

You seem to have problem with simple logic for someone that thinks he's wise

FBS:
To Pastor Skimple, it appears the so called prayer squad ain't doing enough on Morata's case. abi the "prayer" no reach the national team ni?

Egbon, you no subscribe for NT duties na .

Although, I don't mind incase you'd like to include NT too. You just have to increase our pay and brother Alvaro Oluwatobi Morata would come good.

Remember, ".....Believe the prophet and ye shall prosper"

airmark:


One of the facts apari raumdeuter used to impress lordfalcao.

and then he would claim some people didn't receive good education

Organizers of a competition say person noh get assist...you say German blog sabi pass them

Neymar1095, i see you bro, where have you been?

No sane person should argue otherwise when people say VVD and Allison have vastly improved Liverpool.
I see Dayo saying Gomez, Robertson and Arnold have grown a year older and hence more experienced, if Juventus win the UCL and we play down the influence of Ronaldo up top citing the fact that Dybala, Costa and a host of other players in the squad have grown a year older hence more experienced, I hope nobody will come here shouting Dillard?
You guys just like arguing even when there's no need for arguments.

If we shouldn't single out VVD for special praises then Messi, Ronaldo and the likes should also not be praised after all, they're not doing it alone.

patrickmuf:
No sane person should argue otherwise when people say VVD and Allison have vastly improved Liverpool.
I see Dayo saying Gomez, Robertson and Arnold have grown a year older and hence more experienced, if Juventus win the UCL and we play down the influence of Ronaldo up top citing the fact that Dybala, Costa and a host of other players in the squad have grown a year older hence more experienced, I hope nobody will come here shouting Dillard?
You guys just like arguing even when there's no need for arguments.

Laumdeuter raumdeuter

Liverpool were top of the table in match day 35, match day 38, they were second, while Man City topped the table and won the league, hence, Man City displaced Liverpool at the top and won the league

How exactly is this Rocket science?

Afolabi.6046:
Just like their mentor, it would have made sense to engage them in intellectual discussion but they don't even understand simple analogy.

Now just imagine what this same person came to our thread to spew, My eyes have seen

kendrick93:
Not Also forgetting the fact Vvd is a better leader than laporte..
that guy can Marshall and a organise a defence eh

Leadership one of the ways they hide defenders who have no skill like John Terry

Is this politics that we are judging leadership. He should go meet Buhari or Idi Amin to learn about leadership and field marshaling

patrickmuf:
No sane person should argue otherwise when people say VVD and Allison have vastly improved Liverpool.
I see Dayo saying Gomez, Robertson and Arnold have grown a year older and hence more experienced, if Juventus win the UCL and we play down the influence of Ronaldo up top citing the fact that Dybala, Costa and a host of other players in the squad have grown a year older hence more experienced, I hope nobody will come here shouting Dillard?
You guys just like arguing even when there's no need for arguments.

This is the simplest thing to decode. This thing called logic is very simple and I'm shocked you're also caught in the shekpe fan lack of logic.

Hypothetically if Juventus should win the ucl with ronaldo scoring the bulk of the goals then it will be straight forward that he improved the team to win

But If Juventus won the CL by playing defensively solid scoring few goals but by not conceding, it will be fraudulent to give Ronaldo that credit rather the defense

Or if Juventus won while dybala was top scorer scoring 15 goals in the CL alone, Costa assisting much more then while ronaldo only scored 2 goals, then explain logically why the credit should go to Ronaldo and not to the others

Liverpool got to the CL final last year conceding 10 goals but scoring more than their opponents in games with hockey scoreline

How will any rational person claim it was the defense that conceded 10 goals in 4 games that made them

Liverpool last season had 3 very young defenders, who have gotten older and better. Some even regard Robertson as the best left back in the league but somehow it's vvd that gets all the credit.

They added the world record keeper signing to it but someone there improvement credit only goes to VVD.

Does that make any sense?

patrickmuf:
If we shouldn't single out VVD for special praises then Messi, Ronaldo and the likes should also not be praised after all, they're not doing it alone.

I don't know why basic things suddenly become rocket science.

Ronaldo and messi have the most scorer points in the team offense

Go and check premier league fantasy a system which attempt to rank players by their contribution and see where defenders in the league rank

BlackManta:


LaPorte - 17 goals conceded.

VVD - 28 goals conceded.

VVD played 9 more games than LaPorte.

And yes ,he faced tougher and bigger teams as well more times than LaPorte.

VVD is the best... Admit it.

While LaPorte was playing small teams like Swansea, Cardiff, Newcastle, Watford etc.. Teams that will barely attack you.

VVD played Madrid, Chelsea thrice, Man City thrice, Arsenal twice, Tottenham twice, Roma twice.. Etc.

LaPorte got nothing on VVD.

For me, the competence of a great CB is measured by less errors. Van Dijk has too many errors.
Laporte is more composed & has fewer errors on him.

Afolabi6046:
and then he would claim some people didn't receive good education
Organizers of a competition say person noh get assist...you say German blog sabi pass them

What does your eye tell you?

Asension scored a goal UEFA recorded it as an own goal, Musa scored the exact same goal CAF recorded it for Musa which I showed unlimited22,

UEFA and CAF were both organizers, same goal credited differently that means one of the organizers was wrong

That is why common sense is crucial not just lapping up anything they told you. If everyone was lapping things up like that we will still be here today believing the world is flat

raumdeuter:


This is the simplest thing to decode. This thing called logic is very simple and I'm shocked you're also caught in the shekpe fan lack of logic.

Hypothetically if Juventus should win the ucl with ronaldo scoring the bulk of the goals then it will be straight forward that he improved the team to win

But If Juventus won the CL by playing defensively solid scoring few goals but by not conceding, it will be fraudulent to give Ronaldo that credit rather the defense

Or if Juventus won while dybala was top scorer scoring 15 goals in the CL alone, Costa assisting much more then while ronaldo only scored 2 goals, then explain logically why the credit should go to Ronaldo and not to the others

Liverpool got to the CL final last year conceding 10 goals but scoring more than their opponents in games with hockey scoreline

How will any rational person claim it was the defense that conceded 10 goals in 4 games that made them

Liverpool last season had 3 very young defenders, who have gotten older and better. Some even regard Robertson as the best left back in the league but somehow it's vvd that gets all the credit.

They added the world record keeper signing to it but someone there improvement credit only goes to VVD.

Does that make any sense?

Vidic got a lot of credit even when he had Rio, Evra, Neville as part of the defense. Now the credit he got wasn't necessarily cos others weren't putting in a shift, it was cos he was the main cog that held the defense together and that's the same role VVD is playing in that Liverpool back 4, he has brought leadership and a commanding presence to that defense, he deserves the plaudits he is getting.

Remember the argument has always been whether or not VVD has improved that team. Even if it is a coincidence that their defense became noticeably better upon his arrival due to his qualities or the improvement of those around him, most folks will still attribute it to his arrival considering his transfer fee (he was bought to bring stability and leadership and you can't argue otherwise since his arrival).

raumdeuter:


What does your eye tell you?

Asension scored a goal UEFA recorded it as an own goal, Musa scored the exact same goal CAF recorded it for Musa which I showed unlimited22,

UEFA and CAF were both organizers, same goal credited differently that means one of the organizers was wrong

That is why common sense is crucial not just lapping up anything they told you. If everyone was lapping things up like that we will still be here today believing the world is flat

Crux of the matter sha...a German blog sabi pass FIFA with up to date technological analysis

Jemi7:
Liverpool were top of the table in match day 35, match day 38, they were second, while Man City topped the table and won the league, hence, Man City displaced Liverpool at the top and won the league

How exactly is this Rocket science?



Now just imagine what this same person came to our thread to spew, My eyes have seen

ooh! you still dey hold that matter for mind....sorry o

I never disagreed that City usurped Liverpool in 2014...how can i forget when Ba started it all. Now go back and read what i've been trying to say.

P.S y'all should continue putting my matter for head, that's your headache

patrickmuf:
Vidic got a lot of credit even when he had Rio, Evra, Neville as part of the defense. Now the credit he got wasn't necessarily cos others weren't putting in a shift, it was cos he was the main cog that held the defense together and that's the same role VVD is playing in that Liverpool back 4, he has brought leadership and a commanding presence to that defense, he deserves the plaudits he is getting.

Remember the argument has always been whether or not VVD has improved that team. Even if it is a coincidence that their defense became noticeably better upon his arrival due to his qualities or the improvement of those around him, most folks will still attribute it to his arrival considering his transfer fee (he was bought to bring stability and leadership and you can't argue otherwise since his arrival).

Did you read what you posted? You said

"Even if it is a coincidence that their defense became noticeably better upon his arrival due to his qualities or the improvement of those around him, most folks will still attribute it to his arrival considering his transfer fee"

So even if facts disagree with it, its what people think that matters?

Thats why I always stress critical reasoning and sifting the wheat from the chaff.

Last year Liverpool got to the CL final conceding 10 goals in 4 matches, Many people say VVD in defence was the reason they got to the final, Do you agree that VVD in a defence that conceded 10 goals in 4 games is the reason they made the final or instead the logical thing which is the fearsome attack that kept scoring non stop

Liverpool has 3 rookies in defence last year who have matured, One of them is regarded as the best LB in the league they now added the most expensive keeper in the world to it then you will say its VVD

Man utd is your team, If your offence is scoring more Martial Rashford Lukaku are the ones scoring more goals and creating more assists, we should still give the credit to Alexis because he was recently signed, and he is on the highest salary


Which leadership did he bring? The same fraudulent leadership they claimed Terry was bringing while doing nothing. It seems some people get swayed by all these activity forming on the field waving hand like traffic warden while not doing much

Afolabi6046:
Crux of the matter sha...a German blog sabi pass FIFA with up to date technological analysis

The crux of the matter is to use your eyes and brains in judging events. CAF, FIFA UEFA have been known to make errors

patrickmuf:
Vidic got a lot of credit even when he had Rio, Evra, Neville as part of the defense. Now the credit he got wasn't necessarily cos others weren't putting in a shift, it was cos he was the main cog that held the defense together and that's the same role VVD is playing in that Liverpool back 4, he has brought leadership and a commanding presence to that defense, he deserves the plaudits he is getting.

Remember the argument has always been whether or not VVD has improved that team. Even if it is a coincidence that their defense became noticeably better upon his arrival due to his qualities or the improvement of those around him, most folks will still attribute it to his arrival considering his transfer fee (he was bought to bring stability and leadership and you can't argue otherwise since his arrival).

You perfectly understand. With Lovren, Pool was sucking goals anyhow. Suddenly things changed with a change of CB. Arsenal can testify how solid VVD is.

raumdeuter:


The crux of the matter is to use your eyes and brains in judging events. CAF, FIFA UEFA have been known to make errors

but you never do right? Since you're the only one with complete education here, you know better than FIFA with a wide range of seasoned analyst.

A large % of your acclaimed football knowledge is kuku from whoscored

nihilist once gave an analysis when people were saying Mourinho improved Man utd defence last season.

He showed that DDG was facing more shots and saving more shots than the average EPL top keeper

So how can we claim the Man utd defence improved when the keeper is still facing more shots.

That is critical reasoning and deduction not just following what people said

If na patrickmuf he will say it was Mourinho that arranged the defence to concede more shots that was responsible for less goals conceded or better still Man utd record defence signing Victor Lindelof

Afolabi6046:
but you never do right? Since you're the only one with complete education here, you know better than FIFA with a wide range of seasoned analyst.

A large % of your acclaimed football knowledge is kuku from whoscored

How is this relevant? I would have asked what your level of education is, but being a Chelsea fan tell me all I need to know.