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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by eph12(m): 7:00pm On Nov 20, 2018 |
raumdeuter:That's just 1 then |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nobody: 7:05pm On Nov 20, 2018 |
RuuDie:the big problem with Nairaland is you people would just be looking for folks to correct like your lives depend on it. Where did i ever use MERE? Where have i even mentioned that only VVD improved Liverpool tori Olorun. I've even attributed their form to Klopp...nawa o, what started this argument sef i can't remember |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 7:27pm On Nov 20, 2018 |
eph12: Then how many clean sheet was he responsible for? Or why should be get the most credit for the clean sheets this season Why is it that their clean sheets he gets the credit but when they concede its others 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by eph12(m): 7:52pm On Nov 20, 2018 |
raumdeuter:Well if we look at the number of blocks, clearances, interceptions, and tackles he has to make per match compared to others, we will see that he's doing a lot. But we don't even have to rely on stats like you always say right? We can see his performance on the field of play |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 7:55pm On Nov 20, 2018 |
eph12: The stats you showed yesterday he has less interceptions than other defenders which is the key stat for defenders When they concede its not its fault, when they keep clean sheet its kudos to VVD |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Eruditor: 8:05pm On Nov 20, 2018 |
raumdeuter: Just like the clean sheet they kept against City. It was down to VVD. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by eph12(m): 8:17pm On Nov 20, 2018 |
raumdeuter:In the EPL only TAA has more interception per match that VVD and that's 1.3 to 1.2 lol. Is this the key stat other defenders are doing better than him? He has made lesser number of tackles per match in the EPL this season compared to others. I think Maldini was right after all. According to whoscored attackers have not been able to dribble past him. This VVD sef |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by patrickmuf(m): 8:20pm On Nov 20, 2018 |
raumdeuter:Lol see me see wahala, so interception is now the key stat for defenders? Headers won, clearances, tackles etc are now irrelevant? But you never hesitate to flood this thread with sliding tackles made by Boateng...Whatever serves you at a particular time is the standard? 10 Likes 3 Shares |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 8:25pm On Nov 20, 2018 |
patrickmuf: Interception can either be by foot or by head. When you stop an intended pass to an atacker thats interception Clearance is for Sodje level defenders that will just toe the ball anywhere on the field. Boateng made a lot of key interceptions in the world cup final which made him great |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 8:26pm On Nov 20, 2018 |
eph12: In the EPL VVD has more interception than only one Liverpool defender. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by patrickmuf(m): 8:32pm On Nov 20, 2018 |
raumdeuter:Lol all those slide tackles were interceptions? Dayo, if you don't fear anybody here, please fear God for he is the giver of life...��� |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 8:37pm On Nov 20, 2018 |
Eruditor: You see the hypocrisy there. When they keep clean sheet its because of VVD, when the team concedes its others 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by eph12(m): 9:00pm On Nov 20, 2018 |
raumdeuter:According to the EPL official website, VVD has the highest interception
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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 9:02pm On Nov 20, 2018 |
eph12: Which proves what? That he is better than the 20 and 21yr olds in Liverpool defence? He deserves an accolade for being better than players who started playing pro football few seasons ago |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by RuuDie(m): 9:04pm On Nov 20, 2018 |
eph12: Yeah. For me, it is kind of a one-factor versus many-factors statistics type scenario... if VVD was the only change to the LFC defensive setup, then that is strong evidence to suggest that improvement(s) can be attributed to him. But he is not the only addition or change, so it is understandable why the rationale is questioned. For the records, I personally think he makes the LFC defence better, but I can also appreciate why and how someone would see it different! cc: Afolabi6046 |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 9:06pm On Nov 20, 2018 |
patrickmuf: You see this vital goal line interception to deny a sure goal? |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by RuuDie(m): 9:12pm On Nov 20, 2018 |
Miinaa-while-aa... Airmark. Hazard is just a useless, big nyanshed, good for nothing, wannabe ball-hugger jor...! 2 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by eph12(m): 9:13pm On Nov 20, 2018 |
raumdeuter:Which proves that this was a lie raumdeuter:Finally you're beginning to see that he's doing a lot for the defence but the excuse now is that he is older than the others |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by patrickmuf(m): 9:14pm On Nov 20, 2018 |
raumdeuter:As usual, look for one scenario that support your argument and stand by it... How about the interception (sliding interception) after Messi attempted to break through the middle?? How about the sliding interception on Kun? Those gifs are all of a sudden missing? 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 9:31pm On Nov 20, 2018 |
patrickmuf: This was the one closest to goal and the most crucial of his numerous intervention that night The sliding tackle on Aguero was not really necesary as he could have stopped the move without the slide, the bottom line as that he stopped the move without a foul even though he didnt use the most efficient method |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 9:33pm On Nov 20, 2018 |
eph12: Which is the lie? List the Liverpool defenders that VVD has more intereption than among the regulars |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by patrickmuf(m): 9:33pm On Nov 20, 2018 |
raumdeuter:Hahaha how hard was it for you to come up with that? We can see through your half truths. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 9:34pm On Nov 20, 2018 |
patrickmuf: Show me any intervention by Boateng on the CL final night that was closer to goal than this |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by patrickmuf(m): 9:37pm On Nov 20, 2018 |
raumdeuter:Oga, Saturday is a couple of days away, this boredom will surely take the back seat. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 9:38pm On Nov 20, 2018 |
patrickmuf: Which boredom? You mean the double standard I exposed for crediting VVD with the success of Liverpool defence when they keep a clean sheet but blame others when the defence fails |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by patrickmuf(m): 9:41pm On Nov 20, 2018 |
raumdeuter:Lol it was fun while it lasted, VVD is a colossus at the back for Pool, you can only argue otherwise on Nairaland... See you come the weekend. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by airmark(m): 9:55pm On Nov 20, 2018 |
eph12: F12 |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by HanksAnuku: 10:13pm On Nov 20, 2018 |
In EPL Liverpool have only conceded 100 shots in total this season The only team better than them in this regard are City with 78 It's no surprise that City concede such few shots when they have the highest possession averages in the league. Only Chelsea and City have average possession above 60%, and they are currently the only 2 teams to have made 8000 plus passes in the league so far - Infact Man City with 8261 passes have made more than 1000 passes more than Liverpool this season. If you don't have the ball, it's difficult to see chances to shoot. Despite this, on occasions when Man City's opponents have seen the ball, they've still managed to create 9 big chances. Liverpool have been the second stingiest in the league, giving away only 11 big chances. That's a difference of just two - which is significant especially when you consider the fact of the matter is that city defenders actually have to do less defending than Liverpool this season. The BBC ran an article last year, calculating that with throwings, corners, and other fouls, the average EPL game sees the ball in play for only 47 minutes and 40 seconds - and this includes injury time. No match last year had the ball in play for more than 61 minutes of the 90. if we use the 61 minutes as a baseline, we know that Man City have averaged 63.7% possession this season. This means that the average city opponent only has the ball for 20 minutes per game. That's not even half a half, and that includes goal kicks, and holding the ball in their half before they even carry the ball to meet ederson. City defenders probably only have to concentrate for around 10 minutes per game sef. So using comparing city who defend by possession to Liverpool who are more or less a counter attacking team is a flawed premise the first instance. Laporte has a lot less to do defensively all game than Van Dijk. 8 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 10:22pm On Nov 20, 2018 |
HanksAnuku: Going by your analysis Man Citys opponents have the ball for 22 mins and Liverpool opponent have the ball for 27mins Given that Liverpool dominates play maybe Liverpool defence have to concentrate on the ball a total of 13mins the game sef So what is the big difference between a Liverpool defender and a City defender. This "Lot less" can it be put into numbers? |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by HanksAnuku: 10:35pm On Nov 20, 2018 |
raumdeuter: Liverpool have played Chelsea, City, Arsenal, and Spurs who are a lot more dangerous in possession than the average teams. The games against relegation candidates like Cardiff, Huddersfield, Fulham etc have helped them to pad up their possession numbers to look reasonable. For example, this season Pool had 38% possession vs Arsenal, 39% against spurs Man City had 58% against that same Arsenal, and 52% against Spurs. It's not just the small teams that are struggling to see ball against City. Even when playing against Top 6 rivals, City defenders still have less to do than Pool boys because their opponents simply don't have the ball. 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by eph12(m): 10:40pm On Nov 20, 2018 |
raumdeuter:TAA, Robertson and Gomez |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Skimpledawg(m): 10:44pm On Nov 20, 2018 |
When I saw VVDs Age thrown into the mix, I knew it. I just knew it. |
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