raumdeuter:


As many as he was responsible for

That's just 1 then

RuuDie:


Allison is just a 'mere' GOOD purchase abi... oya put Karius behind VVD and lets see how attractive the numbers (stats) will look.

The counter-argument here is Liverpool have improved defensively because of VVD and all others brought in at the same time as him. Not that I agree with it, but makes more sense than putting it all down to VVD.

the big problem with Nairaland is you people would just be looking for folks to correct like your lives depend on it. Where did i ever use MERE? Where have i even mentioned that only VVD improved Liverpool tori Olorun. I've even attributed their form to Klopp...nawa o, what started this argument sef i can't remember

eph12:

That's just 1 then

Then how many clean sheet was he responsible for? Or why should be get the most credit for the clean sheets this season

Why is it that their clean sheets he gets the credit but when they concede its others

raumdeuter:


Then how many clean sheet was he responsible for? Or why should be get the most credit for the clean sheets this season

Why is it that their clean sheets he gets the credit but when they concede its others

Well if we look at the number of blocks, clearances, interceptions, and tackles he has to make per match compared to others, we will see that he's doing a lot. But we don't even have to rely on stats like you always say right? We can see his performance on the field of play

eph12:

Well if we look at the number of blocks, clearances, interceptions, and tackles he has to make per match compared to others, we will see that he's doing a lot. But we don't even have to rely on stats like you always say right? We can see his performance on the field of play

The stats you showed yesterday he has less interceptions than other defenders which is the key stat for defenders

When they concede its not its fault, when they keep clean sheet its kudos to VVD

raumdeuter:


The stats you showed yesterday he has less interceptions than other defenders which is the key stat for defenders

When they concede its not its fault, when they keep clean sheet its kudos to VVD

Just like the clean sheet they kept against City. It was down to VVD.

raumdeuter:


The stats you showed yesterday he has less interceptions than other defenders which is the key stat for defenders

When they concede its not its fault when they keep clean sheet its kudos to VVD

In the EPL only TAA has more interception per match that VVD and that's 1.3 to 1.2 lol. Is this the key stat other defenders are doing better than him? He has made lesser number of tackles per match in the EPL this season compared to others. I think Maldini was right after all. According to whoscored attackers have not been able to dribble past him. This VVD sef

raumdeuter:


The stats you showed yesterday he has less interceptions than other defenders which is the key stat for defenders

When they concede its not its fault, when they keep clean sheet its kudos to VVD

Lol see me see wahala, so interception is now the key stat for defenders? Headers won, clearances, tackles etc are now irrelevant? But you never hesitate to flood this thread with sliding tackles made by Boateng...Whatever serves you at a particular time is the standard?

patrickmuf:
Lol see me see wahala, so interception is now the key stat for defenders? Headers won, clearances, tackles etc are now irrelevant? But you never hesitate to flood this thread with sliding tackles made by Boateng...Whatever serves you at a particular time is the standard?

Interception can either be by foot or by head. When you stop an intended pass to an atacker thats interception

Clearance is for Sodje level defenders that will just toe the ball anywhere on the field. Boateng made a lot of key interceptions in the world cup final which made him great

eph12:

In the EPL only TAA has more interception per match that VVD and that's 1.3 to 1.2 lol. Is this the key stat other defenders are doing better than him? He has made lesser number of tackles per match in the EPL this season compared to others. I think Maldini was right after all. According to whoscored attackers have not been able to dribble past him. This VVD sef

In the EPL VVD has more interception than only one Liverpool defender.

raumdeuter:


Interception can either be by foot or by head. When you stop an intended pass to an atacker thats interception

Clearance is for Sodje level defenders that will just toe the ball anywhere on the field. Boateng made a lot of key interceptions in the world cup final which made him great

Lol all those slide tackles were interceptions? Dayo, if you don't fear anybody here, please fear God for he is the giver of life...���

Eruditor:
Just like the clean sheet they kept against City. It was down to VVD.

You see the hypocrisy there. When they keep clean sheet its because of VVD, when the team concedes its others

raumdeuter:


In the EPL VVD has more interception than only one Liverpool defender.

According to the EPL official website, VVD has the highest interception

eph12:

According to the EPL official website, VVD has the highest interception

Which proves what? That he is better than the 20 and 21yr olds in Liverpool defence? He deserves an accolade for being better than players who started playing pro football few seasons ago

eph12:

Same can be said for almost every rated player

Yeah. For me, it is kind of a one-factor versus many-factors statistics type scenario... if VVD was the only change to the LFC defensive setup, then that is strong evidence to suggest that improvement(s) can be attributed to him. But he is not the only addition or change, so it is understandable why the rationale is questioned.

For the records, I personally think he makes the LFC defence better, but I can also appreciate why and how someone would see it different!

cc: Afolabi6046

patrickmuf:
Lol all those slide tackles were interceptions? Dayo, if you don't fear anybody here, please fear God for he is the giver of life...���

You see this vital goal line interception to deny a sure goal?

Miinaa-while-aa... Airmark.

Hazard is just a useless, big nyanshed, good for nothing, wannabe ball-hugger jor...!

raumdeuter:


Which proves what? That he is better than the 20 and 21yr olds in Liverpool defence? He deserves an accolade for being better than players who started playing pro football few seasons ago

Which proves that this was a lie

raumdeuter:

In the EPL VVD has more interception than only one Liverpool defender.

Finally you're beginning to see that he's doing a lot for the defence but the excuse now is that he is older than the others

raumdeuter:


You see this vital goal line interception to deny a sure goal?

As usual, look for one scenario that support your argument and stand by it...
How about the interception (sliding interception) after Messi attempted to break through the middle??
How about the sliding interception on Kun? Those gifs are all of a sudden missing?

patrickmuf:
As usual, look for one scenario that support your argument and stand by it...
How about the interception (sliding interception) after Messi attempted to break through the middle??
How about the sliding interception on Kun? Those gifs are all of a sudden missing?

This was the one closest to goal and the most crucial of his numerous intervention that night

The sliding tackle on Aguero was not really necesary as he could have stopped the move without the slide, the bottom line as that he stopped the move without a foul even though he didnt use the most efficient method

eph12:

Which proves that this was a lie

Finally you're beginning to see that he's doing a lot for the defence but the excuse now is that he is older than the others

Which is the lie? List the Liverpool defenders that VVD has more intereption than among the regulars

raumdeuter:


This was the one closest to goal and the most crucial of his numerous intervention that night

The sliding tackle on Aguero was not really necesary as he could have stopped the move without the slide, the bottom line as that he stopped the move without a foul even though he didnt use the most efficient method

Hahaha how hard was it for you to come up with that? We can see through your half truths.

patrickmuf:
Hahaha how hard was it for you to come up with that? We can see through your half truths.

Show me any intervention by Boateng on the CL final night that was closer to goal than this

raumdeuter:


Show me any intervention by Boateng on the CL final night that was closer to goal than this

Oga, Saturday is a couple of days away, this boredom will surely take the back seat.

patrickmuf:
Oga, Saturday is a couple of days away, this boredom will surely take the back seat.

Which boredom? You mean the double standard I exposed for crediting VVD with the success of Liverpool defence when they keep a clean sheet but blame others when the defence fails

raumdeuter:


Which boredom? You mean the double standard I exposed for crediting VVD with the success of Liverpool defence when they keep a clean sheet but blame others when the defence fails

Lol it was fun while it lasted, VVD is a colossus at the back for Pool, you can only argue otherwise on Nairaland...
See you come the weekend.

eph12:


Raumdeuter na my egbon. We may disagree on this but we agree on many other things eg Hazard

F12

In EPL Liverpool have only conceded 100 shots in total this season

The only team better than them in this regard are City with 78

It's no surprise that City concede such few shots when they have the highest possession averages in the league. Only Chelsea and City have average possession above 60%, and they are currently the only 2 teams to have made 8000 plus passes in the league so far - Infact Man City with 8261 passes have made more than 1000 passes more than Liverpool this season.

If you don't have the ball, it's difficult to see chances to shoot.

Despite this, on occasions when Man City's opponents have seen the ball, they've still managed to create 9 big chances.

Liverpool have been the second stingiest in the league, giving away only 11 big chances. That's a difference of just two - which is significant especially when you consider the fact of the matter is that city defenders actually have to do less defending than Liverpool this season.

The BBC ran an article last year, calculating that with throwings, corners, and other fouls, the average EPL game sees the ball in play for only 47 minutes and 40 seconds - and this includes injury time.

No match last year had the ball in play for more than 61 minutes of the 90.

if we use the 61 minutes as a baseline, we know that Man City have averaged 63.7% possession this season.

This means that the average city opponent only has the ball for 20 minutes per game. That's not even half a half, and that includes goal kicks, and holding the ball in their half before they even carry the ball to meet ederson.

City defenders probably only have to concentrate for around 10 minutes per game sef.

So using comparing city who defend by possession to Liverpool who are more or less a counter attacking team is a flawed premise the first instance.

Laporte has a lot less to do defensively all game than Van Dijk.

HanksAnuku:
In EPL Liverpool have only conceded 100 shots in total this season

The only team better than them in this regard are City with 78

It's no surprise that City concede such few shots when they have the highest possession averages in the league. Only Chelsea and City have average possession above 60%, and they are currently the only 2 teams to have made 8000 plus passes in the league so far - Infact Man City with 8261 passes have made more than 1000 passes more than Liverpool this season.

If you don't have the ball, it's difficult to see chances to shoot.

Despite this, on occasions when Man City's opponents have seen the ball, they've still managed to create 9 big chances.

Liverpool have been the second stingiest in the league, giving away only 11 big chances. That's a difference of just two - which is significant especially when you consider the fact of the matter is that city defenders actually have to do less defending than Liverpool this season.

The BBC ran an article last year, calculating that with throwings, corners, and other fouls, the average EPL game sees the ball in play for only 47 minutes and 40 seconds - and this includes injury time.

No match last year had the ball in play for more than 61 minutes of the 90.

if we use the 61 minutes as a baseline, we know that Man City have averaged 63.7% possession this season.

This means that the average city opponent only has the ball for 20 minutes per game. That's not even half a half, and that includes goal kicks, and holding the ball in their half before they even carry the ball to meet ederson.

City defenders probably only have to concentrate for around 10 minutes per game sef.

So using comparing city who defend by possession to Liverpool who are more or less a counter attacking team is a flawed premise the first instance.

Laporte has a lot less to do defensively all game than Van Dijk.

Going by your analysis Man Citys opponents have the ball for 22 mins and Liverpool opponent have the ball for 27mins

Given that Liverpool dominates play maybe Liverpool defence have to concentrate on the ball a total of 13mins the game sef

So what is the big difference between a Liverpool defender and a City defender.

This "Lot less" can it be put into numbers?

raumdeuter:


Going by your analysis Man Citys opponents have the ball for 22 mins and Liverpool opponent have the ball for 27mins

Given that Liverpool dominates play maybe Liverpool defence have to concentrate on the ball a total of 13mins the game sef

So what is the big difference between a Liverpool defender and a City defender.

This "Lot less" can it be put into numbers?

Liverpool have played Chelsea, City, Arsenal, and Spurs who are a lot more dangerous in possession than the average teams. The games against relegation candidates like Cardiff, Huddersfield, Fulham etc have helped them to pad up their possession numbers to look reasonable.

For example, this season Pool had 38% possession vs Arsenal, 39% against spurs

Man City had 58% against that same Arsenal, and 52% against Spurs.

It's not just the small teams that are struggling to see ball against City. Even when playing against Top 6 rivals, City defenders still have less to do than Pool boys because their opponents simply don't have the ball.

raumdeuter:


Which is the lie? List the Liverpool defenders that VVD has more intereption than among the regulars

TAA, Robertson and Gomez

When I saw VVDs Age thrown into the mix, I knew it.


I just knew it.