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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 11:05pm On Nov 20, 2018 |
HanksAnuku: Liverpool and City have played similar opponents this season and by your deductions City opponents have the ball 22mins while Liverools have it for 27mins So its just 5mins more on the average. City also pad possesion stats vs bottom teams Liverpool played City and possesion was pretty even between them Will this logic hold for when comparing say Sol Bamba to VVD? |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 11:06pm On Nov 20, 2018 |
eph12: How? No be the same stat we dey look? www.nairaland.com/attachments/8171476_trent_jpegcda2e42ce31d8bb78dfaa4fe73ae887d |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by HanksAnuku: 11:09pm On Nov 20, 2018 |
raumdeuter: No. Statiscally, only Burnley and Fulham have been more defensively porous than Cardiff this season in the league. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by HanksAnuku: 11:13pm On Nov 20, 2018 |
raumdeuter: That's why I took my time to show you instances of possesion stats when City played Arsenal for example vs when Pool played them. Pool are happy to give up almost 60% of possession to their top 4 rivals. City will never do that. So by default, Pool defenders have more to do, against more potent opponents, than Laporte and co ever will. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 11:14pm On Nov 20, 2018 |
HanksAnuku: If we use a Watford or a Wolves defender who havent conceded as much as Cardiff will it work since they see more of the ball than Liverpool and get more defensive action |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 11:17pm On Nov 20, 2018 |
HanksAnuku: When City faced Liverpool in the head to head game possesion was pretty even, shots played pass accuracy was even |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by HanksAnuku: 11:19pm On Nov 20, 2018 |
raumdeuter: No |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by eph12(m): 11:19pm On Nov 20, 2018 |
eph12:Raumdeuter this is from EPL official website Also check these ones below.
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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by eph12(m): 11:21pm On Nov 20, 2018 |
raumdeuter:Wait first! What's the difference between 1.2 and 1.3? 0.1? lol 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by HanksAnuku: 11:22pm On Nov 20, 2018 |
raumdeuter: football is a game of tiny margins and 5 minutes is plenty of time in football. That 5 minutes more can be deadly in the hands of a team like city. Already this season, City have scored 2 goals in just 2 minutes on 2 occasions - vs Burnley and Cardiff. in their last match, they scored 3 in the space of just 9 minutes. So that extra 5 minutes can be deadly given the kind of personnel City have. 5 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by HanksAnuku: 11:24pm On Nov 20, 2018 |
raumdeuter: Pretty even is 50 50. Can you show me a league game this season where City had less than 40% possession like Liverpool?: |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 11:28pm On Nov 20, 2018 |
HanksAnuku: Liverpool vs City was 49 -51 that looks pretty even to me |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 11:33pm On Nov 20, 2018 |
HanksAnuku: Liverpool scored 2 goal in 3 mins vs Cardiff What is the point of your argument? What brought Laporte into this was when someone claimed that Liverpool has conceded the least goals in Europe since January Are you of the same opinion? 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 11:33pm On Nov 20, 2018 |
eph12: Over 12 games from players that were even less experienced |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by HanksAnuku: 11:36pm On Nov 20, 2018 |
raumdeuter: I'm not disputing the above I'm asking you to show me a time where City had less than 40% possession in the league |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 11:37pm On Nov 20, 2018 |
HanksAnuku: Guardiola dominates play and will hardly have below 40% in possesion since he started coaching I doubt he will have 5 games below 40% possession So what is this ask trying to prove? 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 11:38pm On Nov 20, 2018 |
eph12: Is this per game or total of all games |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by HanksAnuku: 11:41pm On Nov 20, 2018 |
raumdeuter: That tells you that 5 minutes extra possession is not an advantage to be sniffed at, cos a lot can transpire in just 5 minutes. Regarding your question, I don't know the numbers and the context fully so I cannot back that statement. What I know is that VVD has been busier than Laporte this season, and any comparison between the two should take that busy work into account. I also think VVD is significantly responsible for Liverpool's new found resilience. I'm sure if we compare shots on target conceded by pool pre-vvd to those conceded post-vvd in the same season, the difference will be clear. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by HanksAnuku: 11:42pm On Nov 20, 2018 |
raumdeuter: Guardiola teams dominate play so his defenders have less to do. Shebi that's how Pique made his 'name'. Busquets too. Even baskets like vitor valdes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 11:47pm On Nov 20, 2018 |
HanksAnuku: This is the context that brought Laporte into it BlackManta: |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by eph12(m): 11:50pm On Nov 20, 2018 |
raumdeuter:Headers won, blocks, dribble past etc don't count when defending? I wonder why your gifs of Boateng beasting the world cup final were full of sliding tackles and clearances |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 11:53pm On Nov 20, 2018 |
HanksAnuku: I will like to see any stats on shots on target for Liverpool pre and post VVD last season I think Liverpool has improved defensively and I think a lot of it stems from 1. Maturity of their talented youngsters from last season TAA and Gomez were literally playing their first full pro season 2. Playing a stable Back 4 regularly and reducing time given to Matip Moreno Clyne and Klavan 3. Inclusion of VVD who is a good defender 4. Inclusion of the most expensive keeper in Europe. 5. Klopp being a little more conservative in his approach All these factors rank equally with me. I dont think VVD plays a bigger factor than the other factors 3 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 11:55pm On Nov 20, 2018 |
eph12: Go back 2 pages and see my response to patrick You can intercept with headers or by foot VVD is significantly more experienced than the other guys in defence and its expected that his stats should even be much better than than compared to Gomez and TAA |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 12:04am On Nov 21, 2018 |
Liverpool started the first game of last season with a back 4 of Trent Moreno Matip Lovren 3 of these dont regularly start anymore. Thats the difference between Liverpool last season and this |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by eph12(m): 12:12am On Nov 21, 2018 |
raumdeuter:That he's more experienced does not mean that he's going to play two or more positions. How many interceptions has VVD lost? I even think he does judging from the number of headers he has attempted and won for his team especially when you compare it to his teammates. You'll appreciate it more when you realize how many teams tend to go through the air route in the EPL. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 12:21am On Nov 21, 2018 |
eph12: He is more experienced means at the minimum he should be better than a couple of guys who ere still playing academy football 2yrs ago |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by eph12(m): 12:28am On Nov 21, 2018 |
raumdeuter:That 1.2 and 1.3, do they include aerial interceptions like the ones you claim Boateng was doing? |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ibime(m): 12:29am On Nov 21, 2018 |
How can a dude with over a decade EPL experience pus earnings from foreign leagues leave his family still paying rent and in debt at the end of his career? Lord, please help us that we leave our children on sound footing in this life 2 Likes
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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by eph12(m): 12:29am On Nov 21, 2018 |
raumdeuter:He's not? You already agreed that he's better so let's not go back there raumdeuter: 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Olalekank(m): 12:30am On Nov 21, 2018 |
eph12:No bother yourself with stats boss Go and code what you have to code, commit the changes and leave them to keep arguing. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 12:38am On Nov 21, 2018 |
eph12: Do you see a separate category for headers here www.nairaland.com/attachments/8171476_trent_jpegcda2e42ce31d8bb78dfaa4fe73ae887d |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by chic2pimp(m): 1:01am On Nov 21, 2018 |
Ibime: Na real wahala o kai |
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