raumdeuter:


5yrs before La Decima, Madrid broke the world record for Ronaldo Kaka and Bale. when was the last time Madrid spent like that. Why was the days of Galacticos long gone? You think if Madrid still hasnt won the CL till date they won't be buying furiously?
Why do you think Madrid is pushing Asensio, Vasquez Ceballos Mariano and other young inexperienced players into the team? If they hadnt won la decima you can be assure that instead of Asensio Mariano Vazquez it will be Lewandoski, Neymar, and any star they see

You are really funny if you think because other teams have money Madrid wont spend and it shows you are new to this European football thing

In the early 2000 when the Galacticos policy started you thought only Madrid had money? Lazio was rich and breaking world record, Inter was rich and breaking world records, Barcelona was rich, Man utd was rich, Milan was rich Yet did that stop Madrid?

How can Madrid point at Figo and get him, how did they point at Zidane and get him, How did they point at Ronaldo and get him. Are these players more difficult to get than Neymar?

Madrid can just go to Barcelona and get Figo but they cannot go to PSG and get Neymar? you think Neymar is harder to get in 2018 than Figo in 2000?

Its how things work, Most coaches will tell you its hard finding motivation after breaking a barrier. They can try but will always notice a significant drop in desire

You guys at Bayern don't have a player good enough to warrant an offensive from one of this oil money driven clubs so you won't understand the difference between the spending power of then Lazio, Man Utd, Juve, Milan to the present day PSG, Man City, Chelsea. Even Man Utd is more willing to spend now, see Liverpool, Everton are buying players for 50m not one but 2.
Madrid can't harass clubs like they use to, in times past, De Gea would've been a Madrid players for the past 3 years, they'd be looking at KDB, Kane etc with intent on getting them but no, they know Levy will price Kane at over 200m, City won't even entertain a conversation with KDB up for discussion, PSG will rebuff any move for Neymar and respond with an audacious move for Marcelo and Benz...
The clubs who are willing to sell will do so for an outrageous fee knowing too well they won't be short of suitors, if Madrid for instance offers 150m for Kane, trust me, PSG, Chelsea, Man City will equal their offer and even top it with some extra 20m. It's no wonder Madrid are hunting for the next best thing from South America.
If this excuse you are dropping first for Man City and now Madrid is valid as you want to have us believe, why then did Barca do away with Enrique, why was your fellow Bayern fan A.40 displeased with Pep's performance in Europe afterall you guys had won the UCL a year before he arrived? You guys should have been contented with semis since after winning the UCL you are now permitted to go on a 10year barren run in a bid to find motivation to win again.
Why are you angry with Kovac, shey you guys have won enough Bundesliga, you guys can as well finish 4th or maybe the players are not motivated to win the league any more, then the problem isn't Kovac, right?

raumdeuter:

Did you read all I posted or you just jumped back to continue the illogic again?

I asked you one thing compare their transfers pre la decima and compare it post la decima



Take time read this slowly with the aim of comprehending and come back with a better retort

Does the fact that they were desperate for number 10 prove that they weren't motivated to make it 11?
Come on.

When someone enters an argument, the next words that come out are illogical and common sense. I tire.

Unlimited22:
When someone enters an argument, the next words that come out are illogical and common sense. I tire.

Arguments cannot be separated from logic and common sense

patrickmuf:
You guys at Bayern don't have a player good enough to warrant an offensive from one of this oil money driven clubs so you won't understand the difference between the spending power of then Lazio, Man Utd, Juve, Milan to the present day PSG, Man City, Chelsea. Even Man Utd is more willing to spend now, see Liverpool, Everton are buying players for 50m not one but 2.
Madrid can't harass clubs like they use to, in times past, De Gea would've been a Madrid players for the past 3 years, they'd be looking at KDB, Kane etc with intent on getting them but no, they know Levy will price Kane at over 200m, City won't even entertain a conversation with KDB up for discussion, PSG will rebuff any move for Neymar and respond with an audacious move for Marcelo and Benz...
The clubs who are willing to sell will do so for an outrageous fee knowing too well they'll be short of suitors, if Madrid for instance offers 150m for Kane, trust me, PSG, Chelsea, Man City will equal their offer and even top it with some extra 20m. It's no wonder Madrid are hunting for the next best thing from South America.
If this excuse you are dropping first for Man City and now Madrid is valid as you want to have us believe, why then did Barca do away with Enrique, why was your fellow Bayern fan A.40 displeased with Pep's performance in Europe afterall you guys had won the UCL 3years before he arrived? You guys should have been contented with semis since after winning the UCL you are now permitted to go on a 10year barren run in a bid to find motivation to win again.
Why are you angry with Kovac, shey you guys have won enough Bundesliga, you guys can as well finish 4th or maybe the players are not motivated to win the league any more, then the problem isn't Kovac, right?

If Madrid was still in the hunt for Le decima, they would have bought any player they want to buy

KdB Kane, Neymar are not harder to buy now than Figo, Zidane Ronaldo etc

So you think a club who dropped 56M to buy off their rivals best player almost 20yrs ago will have a problem paying over 200M if they need?
A club who paid 65M in 2001 will have a problem paying for who they need?
A club who had Ronaldo Morientes Raul still didn't think twice before Adding signing Owen will now think of what?

Did they not have Figo before buying Beckham for the right wing?

Madrid is still the favourite destination for many players and if a club like Liverpool, can afford to sign a keeper for 70M you now think its Madrid that wont?

Imagine Madrid hunting for the next best thing from South America, pre la decima, how many times did they bother with South America when they can buy Europe tested and trusted now Madrid is buying Vicinius and other 18yr olds

If Madrid goes hungry for 5yrs and don't win, Anyone and every good player available becomes a target.

Madrid went 3 seasons without a major signing when we don hear that one last? Some of the recent seasons they even went into the season without buying anyone

When Barcelona needed a title they assembled MSN. Bought Suarez the best player in the EPL, Bought Neymar.

When Bayern wanted to win the CL there was a certain desperation from the players and management especially after the 2012 CL final loss,

Unlimited22:

Does the fact that they were desperate for number 10 prove that they weren't motivated to make it 11?
Come on.

The desperation for la decima cannot be compared to what they have been doing in recent years.

For example tell us how Madrid transfers were before La decima and compare to the last 2yrs

Tell Liverpool or City to choose one CL or League

Liverpool will probably choose League while City will choose CL

raumdeuter:


The desperation for la decima cannot be compared to what they have been doing in recent years.

For example tell us how Madrid transfers were before La decima and compare to the last 2yrs

Tell Liverpool or City to choose one CL or League

Liverpool will probably choose League while City will choose CL

Desperation and motivation aren't exactly synonymous.

Unlimited22:
Desperation and motivation aren't exactly synonymous.

Desperation can motivate

raumdeuter:


Madrids greatest motivation was to win La decima, After that season they were just doing it for fun, Even though their lackadaisical approach was even too much for their competition. If Anthony Joshua fights drunk with one hand tied he will still beat 70% of the world

Why do you think Madrid has not entered the market furiously like everyone knew they were capable of in the past 4 yrs? A team capable of signing world stars for fun. Who was the last Galactico Madrid signed, Now compare them to the Madrid you used to know

Post la decima, is this the type of Madrid transfers the football world was seeing pre la decima?

All these things are simple if you take time to reason through it, Just because Dayo posted something, some people always feel compelled to oppose it

Where's that coefficient German clubs were looking for too? Shameless apari.

raumdeuter:


Desperation can motivate

Yes, and motivation can be gotten from other sources. I agree Madrid were desperate for the decima, even as evidenced in their transfers, but how does that mean they weren't motivated to win the 11th? And the 12th?

raumdeuter:


If Madrid was still in the hunt for Le decima, they would have bought any player they want to buy

KdB Kane, Neymar are not harder to buy now than Figo, Zidane Ronaldo etc

So you think a club who dropped 56M to buy off their rivals best player almost 20yrs ago will have a problem paying over 200M if they need?
A club who paid 65M in 2001 will have a problem paying for who they need?
A club who had Ronaldo Morientes Raul still didn't think twice before Adding signing Owen will now think of what?

Did they not have Figo before buying Beckham for the right wing?

Madrid is still the favourite destination for many players and if a club like Liverpool, can afford to sign a keeper for 70M you now think its Madrid that wont?

Imagine Madrid hunting for the next best thing from South America, pre la decima, how many times did they bother with South America when they can buy Europe tested and trusted now Madrid is buying Vicinius and other 18yr olds

If Madrid goes hungry for 5yrs and don't win, Anyone and every good player available becomes a target.

Madrid went 3 seasons without a major signing when we don hear that one last? Some of the recent seasons they even went into the season without buying anyone

When Barcelona needed a title they assembled MSN. Bought Suarez the best player in the EPL, Bought Neymar.

When Bayern wanted to win the CL there was a certain desperation from the players and management especially after the 2012 CL final loss,

Lol as if Newcastle didn't have the spending power before or Blackburn...Madrid's case though different in the sense that they're still winning but they have backtracked in terms of splashing the cash for the past few years.
If they ever decide to come out all guns blazing, they'd have it in the back of their minds that PSG, Man City, Manchester United and Chelsea are around and can go toe to toe with them.

airmark:


Where's that coefficient German clubs were looking for too? Shameless apari.

What is the meaning of this thing you posted ikputu? A new year is upon us, cant you just go to a river or even a gutter to wash your head from the misfortune following you

Krychokewack, Belloti, Bonnuci see the pattern? Anything you hype the opposite happens

How will you be able to say good things about yourself without the opposite happening

Unlimited22:

Yes, and motivation can be gotten from other sources. I agree Madrid were desperate for the decima, even as evidenced in their transfers, but how does that mean they weren't motivated to win the 11th? And the 12th?

Can you compare their motivation and desperation for la decima to the 11th 12th and 13th?

Do you think ifLiverpool manages to win this year, they will be as desperate and motivated next yr?

patrickmuf:
Lol as if Newcastle didn't have the spending power before or Blackburn...Madrid's case though different in the sense that they're still winning but they have backtracked in terms of splashing the cash for the past few years.
If they ever decide to come out all guns blazing, they'd have it in the back of their minds that PSG, Man City, Manchester United and Chelsea are around and can go toe to toe with them.

WHy do you think they backtracked?

Do you think if they haven't won la decima they would have backtracked and be buying vicinius as their main summer signing?
Do you think Madrid will not have la decima and be signing Mariano, Cebbalos and co when KDB, Kane Neymar are around?

Dayo why would RM want to spend huge when the current team was guaranteeing results? If they didn't get the results and they refused to spend, we can agree with you. But since the previous investments are still doing wonders in Europe especially, what exactly will they be buying for?

Tell Liverpool or City to choose one CL or League

Patrick unlimited22 which one do you think they will choose and why?

eph12:
Dayo why would RM want to spend huge when the current team was guaranteeing results? If they didn't get the results and they refused to spend, we can agree with you. But since the previous investments are still doing wonders in Europe especially, what exactly will they be buying for?

Is this another way of saying because they won that is why they are not desperate as they were before winning

WHich is making my point for me

Only One man argued consistently throughout the year

raumdeuter:


WHy do you think they backtracked?

Do you think if they haven't won la decima they would have backtracked and be buying vicinius as their main summer signing?
Do you think Madrid will not have la decima and be signing Mariano, Cebbalos and co when KDB, Kane Neymar are around?

Conjectures sir...

Some ppl Sha...

How can someone in his right senses say city are not motivated to win the league cos of their recent deep in form and funny enough same person said Madrid are not motivated to win the champions league cos they won it 3 times in a row...

I just close eye dey watch d person Sha,

YOU THINK YOU ARE DOING ME, YOU ARE DOING YOURSELF

patrickmuf:
Conjectures sir...

What you call conjectures are pattern analysis,

Madrid usually do not sign all these type of developmental players , post la decima they slowed down and started getting interested in cheaper younger players

raumdeuter:


What you call conjectures are pattern analysis,

Madrid usually do not sign all these type of developmental players , post la decima they slowed down and started getting interested in cheaper younger players

You buy to improve your squad, right now, the if they're gonna replace Benzema, they'd be looking at Lewandowski (age factor might count against him), Kane, Icardi etc of the aforementioned players, none will cost less than a 150m and if their clubs were ever willing to sell, trust PSG, Chelsea, United etc to match Madrid's bid and most likely top it thus they're looking for more viable alternatives that's why their sniffing around South America looking for the next best talent.
Name one player you think Madrid will decide to get and will get the player unchallenged like in the past? Madrid sef know say things don change...
They were interested in Pogba, Manchester United came in and offered more, they looked at Mbappe but PSG cmae in an offered ridiculous amount for his signature. The only way Madrid will get a top player now without other clubs matching their bid or even out bidding them is if the player on his part insist it must be Madrid.

raumdeuter:


Is this another way of saying because they won that is why they are not desperate as they were before winning

WHich is making my point for me

LOL did they sell the players they desperately bought to win the la decima?

patrickmuf:
You buy to improve your squad, right now, the if they're gonna replace Benzema, they'd be looking at Lewandowski (age factor might count against him), Kane, Icardi etc of the aforementioned players, none will cost less than a 150m and if their clubs were ever willing to sell, trust PSG, Chelsea, United etc to match Madrid's bid and most likely top it thus they're looking for more viable alternatives that's why their sniffing around South America looking for the next best talent.
Name one player you think Madrid will decide to get and will get the player unchallenged like in the past? Madrid sef know say things don change...
They were interested in Pogba, Manchester United came in and offered more, they looked at Mbappe but PSG cmae in an offered ridiculous amount for his signature. The only way Madrid will get a top player now without other clubs matching their bid or even out bidding them is if the player on his part insist it must be Madrid.

Madrid is still the favourite destination of most players

If they decide to buy Kane, they will pay whatever amount Spurs ask just like they paid for Bale.

When Bale went to Madrid in 2013 PSG, City Chelsea United were all in existence yet that did not stop Madrid from signing Bale, So why will it stop them from signing Kane in say 2019?

Who told you they were unchallenged? You think Man Utd or Chelsea didnt want to sign Bale in 2013? Madrid has a sporting pull that no club has, and they can match that with money

Hazard the best player in Chelsea is singing about Madrid daily. So its that Chelsea that will sign a player ahead of Madrid? Mbappe and neymar PSG best players have openly come out talking up a move to Madrid, Lewandoski has done the same thing.

So if PSG, City Madrid ManUtd etc all drop money they player will still prefer to sign for Madrid

So signing players isn't difficult for Madrid now, the only thing different is their motivation and desperation which is lacking like they used to have before

Madrid dropped almost 100M Euros for Vicinius and Rodrigo, 2 players who are teenagers never tested in Europe(Not forgetting Oodegard which they abandoned after a big fee) and very possible they fail So why will this same Madrid have a problem doubling that for a prime Euro tested players they want

thorrvik55:
Some ppl Sha...

How can someone in his right senses say city are not motivated to win the league cos of their recent deep in form and funny enough same person said Madrid are not motivated to win the champions league cos they won it 3 times in a row...

I just close eye dey watch d person Sha,

YOU THINK YOU ARE DOING ME, YOU ARE DOING YOURSELF

Yep.

Liverpool have gotten significantly better. Signing VVD turned their once extremely leaky defence into by far the stingiest in the history of the EPL. They are having their best start to a league campaign in history (and they used to be damn good in the 80s and 70s). Spurs haven't made any signings but their young squad are coming into the new season a year older and more experienced hence why they are also having an amazing season so far. All other teams have invested and have gotten better and aren't afraid to have a go at City. I mean everyone is beginning to realize that though city are great going forward, defensively they just hate it when you come at them.

These really aren't the reasons why city are not the title favorite. They just aren't motivated enough.

I'm having a headache trying to digest this logic.

eph12:
LOL did they sell the players they desperately bought to win the la decima?

5 of the starters in La decima final have left

DiMaria, Khedira, Coentrao, Casillas, Ronaldo not forgetting Pepe who was a key figure, who were the high profile transfer replacements for these players

KevinDein:

Yep.

Madrid just lost their best player for about a decade and one of the best player of all time who scored a ton of goals for them on a regular basis. But Ramdeuter thinks that's not the major reason why Madrid aren't as good as they used to be. They just aren't motivated, he thinks.

Liverpool have gotten significantly better. Signing VVD turned their once extremely leaky defence into by far the stingiest in the history of the EPL. They are having their best start to a league campaign in history (and the used to be damn good in the 80s and 70s). Spurs haven't made any signings but their young squad are coming into the new season a year older and more experienced hence why they are also having an amazing season so far. All other teams have invested and have gotten better and aren't afraid to have a go at City. I mean everyone is beginning to realize that though city are great going forward, defensively they just hate it when you come at them.

These really aren't the reasons why city are not the title favorite. They just aren't motivated enough.

I'm having a headache trying to digest this logic.

Understanding is the first thing before you jump into a discussion, the bold clearly shows that you dont have the understanding of the discussion going on

raumdeuter:


Understanding is the first thing before you jump into a discussion, the bold clearly shows that you dont have the understanding of the discussion going on

Probably jumped in. Yeah. Will edit it.

But the second paragraph still stands.

raumdeuter:


5 of the starters in La decima final have left

DiMaria, Khedira, Coentrao, Casillas, Ronaldo not forgetting Pepe who was a key figure, who were the high profile transfer replacements for these players

Would they have bought these so-called high profile players if they didn't continue to win?

I won't even comment about some of these players you mentioned up there and how their replacements are by far better than them

raumdeuter:


[s]What is the meaning of this thing you posted ikputu? A new year is upon us, cant you just go to a river or even a gutter to wash your head from the misfortune following you

Krychokewack, Belloti, Bonnuci see the pattern? Anything you hype the opposite happens

How will you be able to say good things about yourself without the opposite happening[/s]

You gave stupid 'coefficient' reasons for the uselessness of burnthisleaguedown teams last term. Now you are shamelessly telling us Fraudiola is losing because he is no more interested in epl. Suddenly he can't win double or treble again in your yeye epl, after spending massively.

Oponu apari, you better tell him to go and bring Messi to win ucl and epl together.

eph12:

Would they have bought these so-called high profile players if they didn't continue to win?

If Madrid didnt win la decima, there is no way those players will leave and they wont replace them with high profile transfers

winning ladecima made them relax

airmark:


You gave stupid 'coefficient' reasons for the uselessness of burnthisleaguedown teams last term. Now you are shamelessly telling us Fraudiola is losing because he is no more interested in epl. Suddenly he can't win double or treble again in your yeye epl, after spending massively.

Oponu apari, you better tell him to go and bring Messi to win ucl and epl together.

Ikputu go and get sense first you cant be the only senseless person here. Adagba madanu

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