Watching this I realize how much we’ve underrated Cahill. I hope Sarri starts him today or weekend.

https://twitter.com/hustler_futbol/status/1031966527740768257?s=21

The scoreline didn't tell the story of the game yesterday, Liverpool surprised me to be honest, they should have scored at least 3 goals (Mane miss, Milner miss and Salah's miss, not forgetting the great saves Ter Stegen pulled off). If Liverpool had taken their chances, the conversation here would have been different...
VVD didn't have his best of games, but I can't think of any CB who can stand Messi on his day, he was the difference between the both teams along with Klopp's shocking tactics. I expect the return leg at Anfield to be even more interesting with Firmino expected to start.

Thecassanova:
Watching this I realize how much we’ve underrated Cahill. I hope Sarri starts him today or weekend.

https://twitter.com/hustler_futbol/status/1031966527740768257?s=21

Cahil is out due 2 injury

patrickmuf:
The scoreline didn't tell the story of the game yesterday, Liverpool surprised me to be honest, they should have scored at least 3 goals (Mane miss, Milner miss and Salah's miss, not forgetting the great saves Ter Stegen pulled off). If Liverpool had taken their chances, the conversation here would have been different...
VVD didn't have his best of games, but I can't think of any CB who can stand Messi on his day, he was the difference between the both teams along with Klopp's shocking tactics. I expect the return leg at Anfield to be even more interesting with Firmino expected to start.

But other top CB's don't run away from messi or phone a friend when they see messi na. They collect their dribble and live with it like Boateng did, Jones and the rest

Thecassanova:
Watching this I realize how much we’ve underrated Cahill. I hope Sarri starts him today or weekend.

https://twitter.com/hustler_futbol/status/1031966527740768257?s=21

The only reason, I believe, Luiz starts ahead of Cahill is that he can pass the ball according to Monsignor Chainsmoker.

BlueRayDick:


But other top CB's don't run away from messi or phone a friend when they see messi na. They collect their dribble and live with it like Boateng did, Jones and the rest

So Jones is a top CB.


Mtchew.

Van Dijk : When you face Messi off at its best can not do anything. I'm glad I'm not in Spain so I do not have to face him every season, he scored two goals, I'm very disappointed.


The virgin always respects his elders.

BlueRayDick:


But other top CB's don't run away from messi or phone a friend when they see messi na. They collect their dribble and live with it like Boateng did, Jones and the rest

do you know mustafi have better stats than this guy
so fvcking unfortunate

Unlimited22:

So Jones is a top CB.
Mtchew.

At least he didn't run or beg for backup. He's far more honorable

raumdeuter:


At least he didn't run or beg for backup. He's far more honorable

Jones is more honorable dan VVD





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Segedinho:
Jones is more honorable dan VVD


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Honor means facing your adversary. In military a soldier who flees is usually court-martialled. If you are running from an attacker, who do you expect to do the work?

Matip dey work VVD dey chop

raumdeuter:


Honor means facing your adversary. In military a soldier who flees is usually court-martialled. If you are running from an attacker, who do you expect to do the work?

Matip dey work VVD dey chop

In a war ..facing a robot even when u knw it is suicidal is stupidity. ....VVD ran n call 4 help cos he can't face dis football god alone .....Messi vs Liverpool was more of jst Messi in terms of attacking. ..baring his goals..didn't u see how he threw wide passes? how he sliced d defence opened?he was even furious at vidal at a time he opened d defence 4 a goal scoring opportunity but vidal chose 2 pass.......like unlimited stated. .it z unreasonable 2 use Messi as a yardstick 2 rate a defender..........Boateng was foolish enough

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At least he didn't run or beg for backup. He's far more honorable[/quote
Help me tell am o

larride:


How can clearance be greater than tackles and interceptions for a CB? Really?

Clearance should be far greater than tackles. Think how many times a cross or long ball comes into the box per game

Ibime:


Clearance should be far greater than tackles. Think how many times a cross or long ball comes into the box per game

4 a C.B clearance nd interception should be greater cos they mainly find themselves in d 18 yard box. ...........

Joe Gomez 7 Given a first start since 5 December due to his “fresh legs” but Alba prospered down his flank. Improved after the break.

Joel Matip 7 Given the runaround at times by Messi and yet his awareness produced timely interceptions against Rakitic and Coutinho.

Virgil van Dijk 6 His highly-anticipated duel with Messi had looked balanced until the great Argentinian stepped up a level and he was unable to respond.

Andy Robertson 8 Relished the double demand of tracking Messi inside while supporting the attack. The pinpoint delivery was, for once, lacking.

The worst Liverpool defender on the night

Segedinho:

In a war ..facing a robot even when u knw it is suicidal is stupidity. ....VVD ran n call 4 help cos he can't face dis football god alone .....Messi vs Liverpool was more of jst Messi in terms of attacking. ..baring his goals..didn't u see how he threw wide passes? how he sliced d defence opened?he was even furious at vidal at a time he opened d defence 4 a goal scoring opportunity but vidal chose 2 pass.......like unlimited stated. .it z unreasonable 2 use Messi as a yardstick 2 rate a defender..........Boateng was foolish enough

You havent told us what should happen when the supposed best defender is running away from attackers, WHo should go and mark him

Boateng faced Messi multiple times, 2010 world cup, 2013 CL 2014 world cup and held Messi scoreless

Thats why he was able to win CL and world cup, If Boateng was running away from Messi because he might get dribbled he will also be without a CL and world cup just like VVD

raumdeuter:


You havent told us what should happen when the supposed best defender is running away from attackers, WHo should go and mark him

Boateng faced Messi multiple times, 2010 world cup, 2013 CL 2014 world cup and held Messi scoreless

Thats why he was able to win CL and world cup, If Boateng was running away from Messi because he might get dribbled he will also be without a CL and world cup just like VVD

He wanted cover 4 d empty spaces hence the "running nd calling" cos Messi within micro sec could sliced open every other part.

BlueRayDick:


But other top CB's don't run away from messi or phone a friend when they see messi na. They collect their dribble and live with it like Boateng did, Jones and the rest

This was Boateng facing Messi in a world cup final



Imagine Van Dijk in that situation, he will turn back flee and be using hand to direct Allison and Matip to go and face Messi

Segedinho:

He wanted cover 4 d empty spaced hence the "running nd calling" cos Messi within micro sec could sliced open every other part.

Messi is carrying the ball and he is covering empty space

Below is Messi behind VVD for the second goal
www.nairaland.com/attachments/9302089_virg_jpegad4d8b595c7cb3d9f1d6adae2d10cf41

2 seconds later this is our world best defender

www.nairaland.com/attachments/9300414_virgil_jpegdad9e88c8194143d3c0f050665d23a2b

raumdeuter:


This was Boateng facing Messi in a world cup final



Imagine Van Dijk in that situation, he will turn back flee and be using hand to direct Allison and Matip to go and face Messi

Help us with the gif when he faced Messi why in a Barcelona jersey. ...

raumdeuter:


Messi is carrying the ball and he is covering empty space

Below is Messi behind VVD for the second goal


2 seconds later this is our world best defender

www.nairaland.com/attachments/9300414_virgil_jpegdad9e88c8194143d3c0f050665d23a2b

If u watched d match your definitely will knw there was nothing any body could do at dat rebounce. ..jst check d distance n Messi was already on a motion

Segedinho:

If u watched d match your definitely will knw there was nothing any body could do at dat rebounce. ..jst check d distance n Messi was already on a motion

You mean there was nothing any body could do when an attacker behind you manages to reach the ball in front of you while you are holding your knees

Segedinho:

Help us with the gif when he faced Messi why in a Barcelona jersey. ...

Boateng has faced Messi multiple times in Germany and Bayern jersey and held Messi scoreless multiple times.

VVD is either getting embarrased or running away

raumdeuter:


You mean there was nothing any body could do when an attacker behind you manages to reach the ball in front of you while you are holding your knees

It was a game of luck. D ball recohested off d post n went straight 2 Messi. ....the odd favoured Messi. .there was nothing VVD could do. ..he was even further 4m him dan d oda defender

Segedinho:

It was a game of luck. D ball recohested off d post n went straight 2 Messi. ....the odd favoured Messi. .there was nothing VVD could do. ..he was even further 4m him dan d oda defender

If he was alert, he will get to the rebound ball before Messi but he was bending down admiring the game

larride:




Let’s see this;


Tackles: VVD - 35, TAA - 57
Tackles won: VVD - 25, TAA - 37
Interception: VVD - 40, TAA - 33
Clearance: VVD - 193, TAA - 54
Minute played: VVD - 3205, TAA - 2286


Tackles: VVD - 35, Robertson - 78
Tackles won: VVD - 25, Robertson - 48
Interception: VVD - 40, Robertson - 29
Clearance: VVD - 193, Robertson - 44
Minute played: VVD - 3205, Robertson - 3045


Tackles: VVD - 35, Matip - 36
Tackles won: VVD - 25, Matip - 24
Interception: VVD - 40, Matip - 28
Clearance: VVD - 193, Matip - 71
Minute played: VVD - 3205, Matip - 1445

Now looking at the above stat, you can see that VVD, TAA, Robertson and Matip have comparable tackles and interception but VVD has almost triple their clearance. Now make your deduction.


With this few points of mine, I hope I have been able to convince you and not confuse you that TAA, Robertson, Matip and even Allison have contributed heavily to the improvement of Liverpool defense.

Hehehehe Van Dijk and his ghostwriters

raumdeuter:


If he was alert, he will get to the rebound ball before Messi but he was bending down admiring the game

alert in wat sense?. ..like I said the rebounced favoured Messi cos it went straight 2 him ..Messi was already in motion wen d ball went 2 him....how do u expect him 2 b running wit Messi even wen d ball was going 2 d post....no 1 can predict were d ball will b going jst b4 d rebound, it is a dicey situation ...............I can only blame him 4 d 1st goal

Segedinho:
alert in wat sense?. ..like I said the rebounced favoured Messi cos it went straight 2 him ..Messi was already in motion wen d ball went 2 him....how do u expect him 2 b running wit Messi even wen d ball was going 2 d post....no 1 can predict were d ball will b going jst b4 d rebound, it is a dicey situation ...............I can only blame him 4 d 1st goal

If Messi was in motion, why was he not in motion? Messi went past him and he was standing like a statue holding his knee

raumdeuter:


You mean there was nothing any body could do when an attacker behind you manages to reach the ball in front of you while you are holding your knees

He has this bad habit of jogging imperiously whether there is danger or no danger.
That is why more often than not Robertson, TAA and the others respond to goal mouth scrambles better than him.
He had no business strolling like that when there was so much danger. Ashley Cole, Carvalho and even your much maligned John Terry didn’t behave like that often.

Having said all that he is not as bad as you paint him though. It’s just the hype masters that went overboard with the praise. I don’t blame them too much sha, cos there are relatively few good CBs around.

raumdeuter:


If Messi was in motion, why was he not in motion? Messi went past him and he was standing like a statue holding his knee

Messi,suarez was facing d goal cos it was more of a counter. ..his duty was 2 repel d motion hence d reduced motion. ....d ball was heading 2 net but unfortunately went 2 d bar n den d rebound. ..no 1 can tell were d ball was going. .so no defender would be tackling a running at an attacker without d ball....do u knw dat d ball could even go 2 were VVD was standing? ??that rebound was favourable 2 Messi alone. .......

raumdeuter:


This was Boateng facing Messi in a world cup final



Imagine Van Dijk in that situation, he will turn back flee and be using hand to direct Allison and Matip to go and face Messi