PennywysCares:
her case wasn't an emergency so why IS she crying

How did you know? How many patients were there or her kid was the only patient waiting?

ainas247:

if the case is an emergency, we understand.
for you to have 5 Minutes Patience you cant...

How did you know that they didn't take more than 5 minutes?
Secondly, what constitute an emergency case? Her kid wasn't only the patients there, if her wasn't in pain, how would you be another patient wasn't in pain? It is because she was the one who made it public, that's why attention is on her.

[quote author=obailala post=78040456]There's nothing wrong with my reasoning; rather there's everything wrong with you horribly bigoted reasoning. You speak so much about the "developed world this and the developed world that," but you clearly have no idea how anything works anywhere outside your little enclave. If you're truly experienced in the ways of the developed world as you so claim, you wouldn't be so averse to 'orderliness'.

In the developed climes you talk about, you cant just walk into a freaking hospital and expect to be attended to without an appointment or outside official consultation hours except you have an emergency - The rules are simple, and your ability to follow them without coming to lament online is a simple measure of your level of exposure.

Outside consultation hours, if it is the culture of the clinic or hospital to observe whatever kind of prayer or tradition ritual, it is not your freaking business what they do in their own time. You only have a right to complain if their prayer or break time or whatever it is overlaps your appointment time.

If you have a problem with people practicing their faith, spit it out already and stop beating about the bush trying to teach anyone here about how exposed you are. With your much acclaimed level of exposure, if you still do not know how to respect the the personal time of others and show tolerance, then you're not in anyway better than the unexposed man living in a fores


Just trying to suite your own narrative,nobody will be praying during working hours and,and you can walk in to see a doctor on duty because it is 24h service,and people are paid per hours ,so you cannot do that,it is a private business,you pray at home or privately.stop supporting rubbish ,they teach ethics ,and you should also use common sense.

maasoap:


How did you know? How many patients were there or her kid was the only patient waiting?



How did you know that they didn't take more than 5 minutes?
Secondly, what constitute an emergency case? Her kid wasn't only the patients there, if her wasn't in pain, how would you be another patient wasn't in pain? It is because she was the one who made it public, that's why attention is on her.

1. If you read the write-up, she said for a checkup
2. She said she come that early so as to go for her daily activities.

from those two logical statements, my brother her case is not an emergency.
Please read her statements above to justify your claim.

olas24u:
Just trying to suite your own narrative,nobody will be praying during working hours and,and you can walk in to see a doctor on duty because it is 24h service,and people are paid per hours ,so you cannot do that,it is a private business,you pray at home or privately.stop supporting rubbish ,they teach ethics ,and you should also use common sense.

What exactly do you understand by the term "working hours" and why exactly do you think working hours in every organisation must be the same?... If this particular hospital has 9:00am for instance as it's official start time, of which they choose to carry out morning prayers by 08:30am, how exactly is that your freaking business what they do before their official start time?

To correct another gaffe you keep repeating, no normal hospital around the globe operates a 24 hour consultation service, some hospitals don't even offer consultation services on all weekdays. You claimed to be exposed so I'm confused why you wouldn't know this. A patient can only be attended to outside official consultation hours if and only if it is an emergency. Stop embarrassing yourself abeg; several people on this thread have explained this to you.

obailala:
What exactly do you understand by the term "working hours" and why exactly do you think working hours in every organisation must be the same?... If this particular hospital has 9:00am for instance as it's official start time, of which they choose to carry out morning prayers by 08:30am, how exactly is that your freaking business what they do before their official start time?

To correct another gaffe you keep repeating, no normal hospital around the globe operates a 24 hour consultation service, some hospitals don't even offer consultation services on all weekdays. You claimed to be exposed so I'm confused why you wouldn't know this. A patient can only be attended to outside official consultation hours if and only if it is an emergency. Stop embarrassing yourself abeg; several people on this thread have explained this to you.

They do shifts ,and people are paid per hour of work and it's 24hrs .it is wrong to pray in the hospital .it is wrong .

obailala:
What exactly do you understand by the term "working hours" and why exactly do you think working hours in every organisation must be the same?... If this particular hospital has 9:00am for instance as it's official start time, of which they choose to carry out morning prayers by 08:30am, how exactly is that your freaking business what they do before their official start time?

To correct another gaffe you keep repeating, no normal hospital around the globe operates a 24 hour consultation service, some hospitals don't even offer consultation services on all weekdays. You claimed to be exposed so I'm confused why you wouldn't know this. A patient can only be attended to outside official consultation hours if and only if it is an emergency. Stop embarrassing yourself abeg; several people on this thread have explained this to you.

You are the holy holy person decieving yourself.if it happens in a government hospital , hopefully they will be disciplined.it is probably good only in mental people home ,were people need mind control.

olas24u:

They do shifts ,and people are paid per hour of work and it's 24hrs .it is wrong to pray in the hospital .it is wrong .

Doctors for 24 hours consultation in your village right?.. lol.. some people are stibbornly ignorant.

obailala:
Doctors for 24 hours consultation in your village right?.. lol.. some people are stibbornly ignorant.

How many countries have you been?even in india an emerging market country you will meet a doctor at any hour in a government hospital doing is own shift. Go and sleep

olas24u:

How many countries have you been?even in india an emerging market country you will meet a doctor at any hour in a government hospital doing is own shift. Go and sleep

Look madam abeg you win!... It is pointless arguing with a person who doesnt know and who has bluntly refuse to learn that there's a difference between standard GP consultations and emergency cases.

If you like, when you have something as little as a rash on your hand, you can go to india and walk into a hospital by 2am, maybe witch doctors would attend to you. Bye!

The writeup says "checkup", so I suppose it was a follow-up visit not an emergency. And there was the possibility the doctor was not even around or disposed to see her at that time. And moreover they were doing the devotion before she came.
We all need an understanding disposition in order to relate amiably with people around us.

aaronson:
during Jonathan presidential era, Can you imagine a president and members of his cabinet proposed 3 days fasting and prayer to resuscitate Nigeria economy at the time. Chia!!!!

Ijawwomaninoyo:


That's not the only hospital in the town, if she doesn't like the rules of the game, she should take her ball to another playing ground.
When you do delicate jobs, you must have to put God first.
That's what the doctor wants for himself

Loool.. do you even realise what they're doing is illegal?

Bbbwings:
The only reason I'm putting up with this nonsense prayer every Thursday with my bosd is because I hitch rides with him. Once I get my car, this stupidity must stop

Na wa oo. Don't sell out cos of a car ride

crixlight2:

So calling you out on social media will pay my money back ? , it is better you say something nice , like the person should jail you for 10years , arrest all your family members (collateral) seize all your certificates

What a clown

mystic77:

No where to hide, I can also be arrested..it will be stated in the terms and condition

And once you get the money, how are ppl sure you won't disappear

sgtponzihater1:
People make noise so much in Nigeria. The hospital have chosen their mode of operation, if u cannot wait till after morning devotion then kindly seek help elsewhere. In Western countries u don't just walk in to see a Doctor, u book an appointment, and u are given a suitable time to be seen. It's only in emergencies u walk in and expect to be attended to with urgency. I bet if it was an emergency they'll attend to u. That's their own mode of work, accept it or seek help where u deem better for u.

A Nigerian Doctor went to Finland for some fellowship, and was surprised that even hospital staff cannot just carry their cards and demand to see a Doctor. They are given a time. A patient cannot rush u, and plead to be seen when it's past your closing time, but we see patients complaining about that. During Launch breaks non-emergency cases have to wait for launch to be over, but I have seen Nigerian patients screaming that why should they be abandoned for lunch.

And which western hospitals have prayers as their mode of operation?

sgtponzihater1:


Patients are our number one priority as Doctors right. If a Hospital has prayer time, and a client is not happy with it, he can choose to seek care elsewhere. Some clinics close at 4pm, if u come by 5pm and it's closed, does it mean the Hippocratic oath has been broken? I worked where clinic starts by 9am, and before then theres 10mins prayer time and it's clearly stated. If a patients comes at 8am when we are doing ward round and start screaming to be seen, he is simply told it's 9am, however emergency is attended to immediately. Even in the UK u can't just walk in to see the GP immediately without an appointment. Let's not get things wrong.

Does the UK have anything like prayer time in a hospital? Don't even try it

obailala:
Freedom of religion and belief is a right in the UK. There's nothing wrong with a person choosing to pray in a hospital for a patient or anywhere else. It only becomes a problem if the patient or the family of the patient disapproves it and you still go ahead to pray by fire by force. Heck! prayer mustn't be restricted to a building called church

A health care worker in the UK praying for a patient is known as STEALING TIME ON THE JOB

lepasharon:


Does the UK have anything like prayer time in a hospital? Don't even try it

They don't have prayer time. Read my write up clearly without bias.

U can't just walk up to see a Doctor in the UK without booking an appointment time except in emergencies where u go to the hospital emergency, so hospitals have their own mode of operation, and would not bulge because of anyone .

Some hospitals in the UK have opening and closing hours. Even GP clinics have closing hours, so u don't expect to work in too early or too late to be seen.

Most hospitals in the UK now have chapels were people of different faith can go and pray as much as they want. Nigeria will get there.

Clinics have opening and closing hours. And Doctors have lunch break, so u don't come and start screaming where is d doctors during his 30 mins lunch break, instead u have to wait till that break is over.

In Nigeria, patients are told the Doctor's are on break and they start screaming blue murder as if they know everything. Not only in Hospitals, even our roads, markets etc. We are impatient, and have allergy for order. Go and ask how the health insurance for workers in computer village crashed despite using one of the best and cautious hospitals as health provider.

PS: I never mentioned that hospitals in UK have prayer time as operation, rather I said they have their own mode of operation, which sometimes is more frustrating to disorganized people, than d 3rd world system, were u can have ur way with Doctors. I know severally how people have criticized the unyielding British health model, even some Indians I stayed with complained bitterly about this.

lepasharon:


A health care worker in the UK praying for a patient is known as STEALING TIME ON THE JOB

Lies! Go and check up hospital Chaplain in the UK before passing false information. The role of Faith in healing and palliative care is very well established, even more in the Western world. These hospital have Chaplains that can assist with spiritual care.

mystic77:

That is why I am ready to drop my means of identification, where I reside, a guarantor also.....and any other thing needed

bullshit

..

sgtponzihater1:


Lies! Go and check up hospital Chaplain in the UK before passing false information. The role of Faith in healing and palliative care is very well established, even more in the Western world. These hospital have Chaplains that can assist with spiritual care.

Yes hospital chaplains handle prayers in hospitals not doctors and nurses!

Atheist, but she has a point, upon the so called morning devotion, these medical practitioners still commit all sorts of atrocities in the health sector.

obailala:
Look madam abeg you win!... It is pointless arguing with a person who doesnt know and who has bluntly refuse to learn that there's a difference between standard GP consultations and emergency cases.

If you like, when you have something as little as a rash on your hand, you can go to india and walk into a hospital by 2am, maybe witch doctors would attend to you. Bye!

Have you now read this ?A nurse who offered a bible to a cancer patient and encouraged him to sing The Lord is My Shepherd was fairly dismissed, a court has ruled.

Sarah Kuteh was given the sack from her job at Darent Valley Hospital in Dartford, Kent, in 2016 for repeatedly talking to patients about her faith and handing out a bible, in breach of Nursing and Midwifery Council (NMC) rules.


A ruling, published last week by the Court of Appeal, stated that on June 3 2016 a patient at the hospital had complained about Ms Kuteh's conduct.

The court heard how the patient likened the incident to a 'Monty Python skit', which he said was 'very bizarre' - in which she encouraged him to sing along with Psalm 23 with her.

The ruling, which upheld a decision that she was fairly dismissed by the Dartford and Gravesham NHS Trust, stated: "On 20 June 2016, the Complaints Department noted a call from a patient being treated for cancer concerning his assessment by the Claimant on 3 June 2016.

"He had replied "open minded" to the question on the form concerning religion and alleged the Claimant had told him that the only way he could get to the Lord was through Jesus.

"(She) told him she would give him her bible if he did not have one; gripped his hand tightly and said a prayer that was very intense and went "on and on"; and asked him to sing Psalm 23 [The Lord is My Shepherd] after which he was so astounded that he had sung the first verse with her.

"He described the encounter as 'very bizarre' and 'like a Monty Python skit'.

The court documents also point to a number of other incidents, in which Ms Kuteh told a bowel cancer patient in April 2016 'that if he prayed to God he would have a better chance of survival'

Another complaint, again in April 2016, came from a patient who said Ms Kuteh 'spent more time talking about religion than doing the assessment', and another, the same month, came from a patient who said they didn't want to see Ms Koteh as they 'didn't like preaching'.

Miss Kuteh, a 50-year-old mum of three, was suspended from her job in June 2016 and sacked for gross misconduct in August the same year, with her dismissal upheld by an employment tribunal later the same year.

She appealed the ruling of the tribunal in 2017, but failed in her bid to have her sacking overturned, but was allowed to work as a nurse again in July last year after her working restrictions were lifted by the Nursing and Midwifery Council.


Ms Kuteh, however, appealed for a second time against her sacking to the Court of Appeal - saying the employment tribunal had 'failed to consider the correct interpretation of the NMC Code and the distinction between appropriate and inappropriate expressions of religious beliefs'.

She also said the tribunal had failed to acknowledge that Article 9 of the European Convention on Human Rights - Freedom to manifest one's religion or beliefs - was 'applicable' and to 'consider the fact-sensitive distinction between true evangelism and improper proselytism'.

Judges at the Court of Appeal, however, rejected the nurse's most recent appeal, saying she was not unfairly dismissed in a ruling published last week.

The Christian Legal Centre - which represents Ms Kuteh - said she is currently in discussion with her legal team to consider her next step.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/05/21/nhs-nurse-offered-bible-cancer-patient-loses-appeal-tribunal/
You were wrong.

olas24u:


Have you now read this ?A nurse who offered a bible to a cancer patient and encouraged him to sing The Lord is My Shepherd was fairly dismissed, a court has ruled.

Sarah Kuteh was given the sack from her job at Darent Valley Hospital in Dartford, Kent, in 2016 for repeatedly talking to patients about her faith and handing out a bible, in breach of Nursing and Midwifery Council (NMC) rules.


A ruling, published last week by the Court of Appeal, stated that on June 3 2016 a patient at the hospital had complained about Ms Kuteh's conduct.

The court heard how the patient likened the incident to a 'Monty Python skit', which he said was 'very bizarre' - in which she encouraged him to sing along with Psalm 23 with her.

The ruling, which upheld a decision that she was fairly dismissed by the Dartford and Gravesham NHS Trust, stated: "On 20 June 2016, the Complaints Department noted a call from a patient being treated for cancer concerning his assessment by the Claimant on 3 June 2016.

"He had replied "open minded" to the question on the form concerning religion and alleged the Claimant had told him that the only way he could get to the Lord was through Jesus.

"(She) told him she would give him her bible if he did not have one; gripped his hand tightly and said a prayer that was very intense and went "on and on"; and asked him to sing Psalm 23 [The Lord is My Shepherd] after which he was so astounded that he had sung the first verse with her.

"He described the encounter as 'very bizarre' and 'like a Monty Python skit'.

The court documents also point to a number of other incidents, in which Ms Kuteh told a bowel cancer patient in April 2016 'that if he prayed to God he would have a better chance of survival'

Another complaint, again in April 2016, came from a patient who said Ms Kuteh 'spent more time talking about religion than doing the assessment', and another, the same month, came from a patient who said they didn't want to see Ms Koteh as they 'didn't like preaching'.

Miss Kuteh, a 50-year-old mum of three, was suspended from her job in June 2016 and sacked for gross misconduct in August the same year, with her dismissal upheld by an employment tribunal later the same year.

She appealed the ruling of the tribunal in 2017, but failed in her bid to have her sacking overturned, but was allowed to work as a nurse again in July last year after her working restrictions were lifted by the Nursing and Midwifery Council.


Ms Kuteh, however, appealed for a second time against her sacking to the Court of Appeal - saying the employment tribunal had 'failed to consider the correct interpretation of the NMC Code and the distinction between appropriate and inappropriate expressions of religious beliefs'.

She also said the tribunal had failed to acknowledge that Article 9 of the European Convention on Human Rights - Freedom to manifest one's religion or beliefs - was 'applicable' and to 'consider the fact-sensitive distinction between true evangelism and improper proselytism'.

Judges at the Court of Appeal, however, rejected the nurse's most recent appeal, saying she was not unfairly dismissed in a ruling published last week.

The Christian Legal Centre - which represents Ms Kuteh - said she is currently in discussion with her legal team to consider her next step.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/05/21/nhs-nurse-offered-bible-cancer-patient-loses-appeal-tribunal/
You were wrong.

I wasn't wrong in any way whatsoever. I clearly stated there was nothing wrong and no crime in preaching or praying for a patient IF THE PATIENT CONSENTS TO IT. From the report above, the patient or patients clearly weren't consenting but she forced it on them notwithstanding; the difference is very clear, you don't force your religious beliefs on people.

Meanwhile your entire argument all along was about why a hospital wouldn't attend to a walk-in patient before their official opening hour; my argument with you on this thread was that hospitals all over the world have official consultation times and wouldn't attend to you if you walk in outside their official consultation times. It doesn't matter what they were doing when you walked in (be it prayer or whatever), simply wait for your appointment hour; their prayer isn't your problem.

lepasharon:


A health care worker in the UK praying for a patient is known as STEALING TIME ON THE JOB

There's no such thing as 'stealing time on the job' if what the health practitioner is doing can help the patient recover.

It's a part of the duty of health care practitioners to counsel and encourage patients under their care to give them hope, which in turn aids recovery. If a health care practitioner offers to pray for a patient and the patient consents to it, then that's a part of the job and there's absolutely nothing wrong with it.

You guys should quit all these your anti-religious ideologies and arguments. All those who want to practice their faith do so in peace.

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