Hitler and Napoleon went throughout continental Europe, they pushed eastward to the gates of Moscow Russia, they crossed seas, to land in North Africa but never tried to invade the United Kingdom.
Were the British just lucky ?

panafrican:
Hitler and Napoleon went throughout continental Europe, they pushed eastward to the gates of Moscow Russia, they crossed seas, to land in North Africa but never tried to invade the United Kingdom.
Were the British just lucky ?

Hitler was obsessed with the East the USSR, it was personal. The Nazis probably could have invaded Britain after Dunkirk. It was some sort of personal Commie vs Marxist weird fucking ideology.

Hitla wanted the Russian oil to fuel the other wars to come, but that was his wrong move

panafrican:
Hitler and Napoleon went throughout continental Europe, they pushed eastward to the gates of Moscow Russia, they crossed seas, to land in North Africa but never tried to invade the United Kingdom.
Were the British just lucky ?

Where do you get the idea that Hitler "never tried to invade the United Kingdom", panafrican?

On 16 July 1940 Adolf Hitler issued Directive Number 16. which read, 'As England, in spite of the hopelessness of her military position, has so far shown herself unwilling to come to any compromise, I have decided to begin to prepare for, and if necessary to carry out, an invasion of England... and if necessary the island will be occupied.'

If you have any interest regarding the extent to which Hitler attempted to carry out this directive read up on the blitz, and why Germany lost the war.

Also read up on the Napoleonic Wars regarding Napoleon's wars with Britain!

budaatum:

Where do you get the idea that Hitler "never tried to invade the United Kingdom", panafrican?

On 16 July 1940 Adolf Hitler issued Directive Number 16. which read, 'As England, in spite of the hopelessness of her military position, has so far shown herself unwilling to come to any compromise, I have decided to begin to prepare for, and if necessary to carry out, an invasion of England... and if necessary the island will be occupied.'

If you have any interest regarding the extent to which Hitler attempted to carry out this directive read up on the blitz, and why Germany lost the war.

Also read up on the Napoleonic Wars regarding Napoleon's wars with Britain!

' Don't want to talk about what I do, but I could say on my spare time I read a lot.

The real First World War ( the Seven -year War 1756-1763), the 100 + year war involving the Norman Kings of The United Kingdom against the Kings of France , then the Napoleonic wars, the 1st, 2nd , 3rd, 4th , 5th etc coalitions against Napoleon . The blockade Napoleon imposed on the United Kingdom, his invasion of Russia. Him and his troops being chased from the Russian front to Paris.The disaster In Waterloo in today 's Belgium, his escape from Waterloo.
His abdication, his surrender to a British captain of the HMS Bellerophon after failing to escape to the United states, his exile at St Helena where he died six year later if I recall. People visiting him in St Helena and asking him about the what he did to a Black slave revolutionists leader Toussaint Louverture of Haiti ( Toussaint was captured in Haiti, sent to France and Napoleon ordered he be placed into confinement with no blanket during harsh winter , Toussaint died in less than a year in 1803).

My point his not about " never tried ". It is about their troops never set foot on UK soil to the best of my reading/ Knowledge.
Were the British just lucky?

panafrican:

' Don't want to talk about what I do, but I could say on my spare time I read a lot.

The real First World War ( the Seven -year War 1756-1763), the 100 + year war involving the Norman Kings of The United Kingdom against the Kings of France , then the Napoleonic wars, the 1st, 2nd , 3rd, 4th , 5th etc coalitions against Napoleon . The blockade Napoleon imposed on the United Kingdom, his invasion of Russia. Him and his troops being chased from the Russian front to Paris.The disaster In Waterloo in today 's Belgium, his escape from Waterloo.
His abdication, his surrender to a British captain of the HMS Bellerophon after failing to escape to the United states, his exile at St Helena where he died six year later if I recall. People visiting him in St Helena and asking him about the what he did to a Black slave revolutionists leader Toussaint Louverture of Haiti ( Toussaint was captured in Haiti, sent to France and Napoleon ordered he be placed into confinement with no blanket during harsh winter , Toussaint died in less than a year in 1803).

My point his not about " never tried ". It is about their troops never set foot on UK soil to the best of my reading/ Knowledge.
Were the British just luck ?

you are right, the German army didn't matched for an all out invasion against Britain, it was only the German Airforce who carried out air raids and bombing s in London and other British cities in 1941. If the German had invaded Britain with the same force, temper and might they used against the Soviet union the then Great Britain would have been reduced to little Britain.

budaatum:

Where do you get the idea that Hitler "never tried to invade the United Kingdom", panafrican?

On 16 July 1940 Adolf Hitler issued Directive Number 16. which read, 'As England, in spite of the hopelessness of her military position, has so far shown herself unwilling to come to any compromise, I have decided to begin to prepare for, and if necessary to carry out, an invasion of England... and if necessary the island will be occupied.'

If you have any interest regarding the extent to which Hitler attempted to carry out this directive read up on the blitz, and why Germany lost the war.

Also read up on the Napoleonic Wars regarding Napoleon's wars with Britain!

the attempt invasion of Britain was strategized but never executed.

A bit earlier, but for the biggest ever invasion attempt of England (since 1066) you need to go back to 1588 and the Spanish Armada. A massive Spanish fleet attempted to invade England but were caught out at sea by storms and a smaller English navy with superior guns.

The Spanish lost about 20,000 in the attempt.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Armada

AbujaBlue:
A bit earlier, but for the biggest ever invasion attempt of England (since 1066) you need to go back to 1588 and the Spanish Armada. A massive Spanish fleet attempted to invade England but were caught out at sea by storms and a smaller English navy with superior guns.

The Spanish lost about 20,000 in the attempt.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Armada

Is that why the United Kingdom is having fun keeping Gilbraltar next door to the Spaniards ? Kind of revenge
( You tried to invade us, now we are teasing you at your doorsteps)

AbujaBlue:
A bit earlier, but for the biggest ever invasion attempt of England (since 1066) you need to go back to 1588 and the Spanish Armada. A massive Spanish fleet attempted to invade England but were caught out at sea by storms and a smaller English navy with superior guns.

The Spanish lost about 20,000 in the attempt.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Armada

an antiquated glory the British still gloat till this day.

panafrican:

' Don't want to talk about what I do, but I could say on my spare time I read a lot.

The real First World War ( the Seven -year War 1756-1763), the 100 + year war involving the Norman Kings of The United Kingdom against the Kings of France , then the Napoleonic wars, the 1st, 2nd , 3rd, 4th , 5th etc coalitions against Napoleon . The blockade Napoleon imposed on the United Kingdom, his invasion of Russia. Him and his troops being chased from the Russian front to Paris.The disaster In Waterloo in today 's Belgium, his escape from Waterloo.
His abdication, his surrender to a British captain of the HMS Bellerophon after failing to escape to the United states, his exile at St Helena where he died six year later if I recall. People visiting him in St Helena and asking him about the what he did to a Black slave revolutionists leader Toussaint Louverture of Haiti ( Toussaint was captured in Haiti, sent to France and Napoleon ordered he be placed into confinement with no blanket during harsh winter , Toussaint died in less than a year in 1803).

My point his not about " never tried ". It is about their troops never set foot on UK soil to the best of my reading/ Knowledge.
Were the British just lucky?

Well, at least we've established Napoleon and Hitler both tried to invade Britain but failed. It might have something to do with the resilience of the Brits. On 13 May, 1940 Churchill in a speech said:

"We have before us an ordeal of the most grievous kind. We have before us many, many long months of struggle and of suffering. You ask, what is our policy? I will say: It is to wage war, by sea, land, and air, with all our might and with all the strength that God can give us; to wage war against a monstrous tyranny never surpassed in the dark, lamentable catalogue of human crime. That is our policy. You ask, what is our aim? I can answer in one word: It is victory, victory at all costs, victory in spite of all terror, victory, however long and hard the road may be."

And as you might note, this speech was just one of many stating how Britain will oppose an invasion by the Germans, a policy they stuck with that worked.

OyinbowithaTan:
Hitler was obsessed with the East the USSR, it was personal. The Nazis probably could have invaded Britain after Dunkirk. It was some sort of personal Commie vs Marxist weird fucking ideology.

A full invasion of Britain would have been a very risky endeavour, primarily because of the British Navy was superior to the German navy and the harsh and unpredictable English channel. He just did not have the naval power or equipments for the crossing of the English channel.
He tried to weaken the British military installations and will power by bombing Britain for 57 consecutive days, but at the end of the day he withdrew and faced Russia instead.

mysticwarrior:
you are right, the German army didn't matched for an all out invasion against Britain, it was only the German Airforce who carried out air raids and bombing s in London and other British cities in 1941. If the German had invaded Britain with the same force, temper and might they used against the Soviet union the then Great Britain would have been reduced to little Britain.

False.
Britain had more superior navy than Germany. All the German had were U-boats submarines to disturb enemy ships and submarines. The U-boats submarines were not even effective in enforcing a blockage of the Atlantic and Northern sea.
Russia on the other hand is not an island, and so does not require a naval force to invade. The German had superior ground forces and equipments.

wirinet:

A full invasion of Britain would have been a very risky endeavour, primarily because of the British Navy was superior to the German navy and the harsh and unpredictable English channel. He just did not have the naval power or equipments for the crossing of the English channel.
He tried to weaken the British military installations and will power by bombing Britain for 57 consecutive days, but at the end of the day he withdrew and faced Russia instead.

They could have invaded Britain after Dunkirk, if they kept armor, artillery, and tanks engaged. They pulled that back and went the bombings.

OyinbowithaTan:
They could have invaded Britain after Dunkirk, if they kept armor, artillery, and tanks engaged. They pulled that back and went the bombings.

How will they get the armour, artillery and tanks across to Britain? Germany did not have the equipments and facilities for a naval invasion.

Even Spain that had far superior navy failed in its attempted invasion of the British island.

Read this;

In January 1939, Plan Z was ordered, calling for surface naval parity with the British Royal Navy by 1944. When World War II broke out in September 1939, Plan Z was shelved in favour of a crash building program for submarines (U-boats) instead of capital surface warships and land and air forces were given priority of strategic resources.

The Kriegsmarine's most significant ships were the U-boats, most of which were constructed after Plan Z was abandoned at the beginning of World War II. Wolfpacks were rapidly assembled groups of submarines which attacked British convoys during the first half of the Battle of the Atlantic but this tactic was largely abandoned by May 1943 when U-boat losses mounted. Along with the U-boats, surface commerce raiders (including auxiliary cruisers) were used to disrupt Allied shipping in the early years of the war, the most famous of these being the heavy cruisers Admiral Graf Spee and Admiral Scheer and the battleship Bismarck. However, the adoption of convoy escorts, especially in the Atlantic, greatly reduced the effectiveness of surface commerce raiders against convoys.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kriegsmarine

wirinet:


How will they get the armour, artillery and tanks across to Britain? Germany did not have the equipments and facilities for a naval invasion.

Even Spain that had far superior navy failed in its attempted invasion of the British island.

Read this;

Germany assembled lots of ships and barges, many large enough for tanks. It was called Operation Sea Lion.

OyinbowithaTan:
Germany assembled lots of ships and barges, many large enough for tanks. It was called Operation Sea Lion.

Stop holding tenaciously to false ideas. Operation sealion was a planned invasion of Britain. It was abandoned because Hitler did not see the possibility of its success.
Read more here;

Operation Sea Lion, also written as Operation Sealion[2][3] (German: Unternehmen Seelöwe), was Nazi Germany's code name for the plan for an invasion of the United Kingdom during the Battle of Britain in the Second World War. Following the Fall of France, Adolf Hitler, the German Führer and Supreme Commander of the Armed Forces, hoped the British government would seek a peace agreement and he reluctantly considered invasion only as a last resort if all other options failed. As a precondition, he specified the achievement of both air and naval superiority over the English Channel and the proposed landing sites, but the German forces did not achieve either at any point during the war, and both the German High Command and Hitler himself had serious doubts about the prospects for success. Nevertheless both the German Army and Navy undertook a major programme of preparations for an invasion: training troops, developing specialised weapons and equipment, and modifying transport vessels. A large number of river barges and transport ships were gathered together on the Channel coast, but with Luftwaffe aircraft losses increasing in the Battle of Britain and no sign that the Royal Air Force had been defeated, Hitler postponed Sea Lion indefinitely on 17 September 1940 and it was never put into action.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Sea_Lion

wirinet:

Stop holding tenaciously to false ideas. Operation sealion was a planned invasion of Britain. It was abandoned because Hitler did not see the possibility of its success.
Read more here;

How is it a false idea when it was a plan?

OyinbowithaTan:
How is it a false idea when it was a plan?

that man obviously don't even know what he saying.

OyinbowithaTan:
They could have invaded Britain after Dunkirk, if they kept armor, artillery, and tanks engaged. They pulled that back and went the bombings.

I don't know if you are a christian, Muslim, Buddhist or Hindu, but whatever you believe on will bless you for this post, the British stand no chance against the German army, attacking Britain instead of the soviet union would have been successful considering the formidability of the German army then.

wirinet:

False.
Britain had more superior navy than Germany. All the German had were U-boats submarines to disturb enemy ships and submarines. The U-boats submarines were not even effective in enforcing a blockage of the Atlantic and Northern sea.
Russia on the other hand is not an island, and so does not require a naval force to invade. The German had superior ground forces and equipments.

were the Germans the ones who was supposed to be attacking the British in the first place? It was the British cowards who declared war on Germany but were too terrified of the German army, they couldn't even matched their army to German soil for a direct confrontations against German formations, what a display of cowardice.

OyinbowithaTan:
How is it a false idea when it was a plan?

You hold onto this idea that Hitler could have successfully invaded Britain. An invasion without naval and air superiority at that particular time would have been suicidal.

mysticwarrior:
I don't know if you are a christian, Muslim, Buddhist or Hindu, but whatever you believe on will bless you for this post, the British stand no chance against the German army, attacking Britain instead of the soviet union would have been successful considering the formidability of the German army then.

As I said you hold tenacious unto a false idea. Yes the British stood no chance against Germany in a ground offensive, but a naval war was another thing altogether. The Germans Kriegsmarine stood no chance against the Royal navy. A channel crossing would have simply resulted in the drowning of millions of German military personnel and equipments.

mysticwarrior:
were the Germans the ones who was supposed to be attacking the British in the first place? It was the British cowards who declared war on Germany but were too terrified of the German army, they couldn't even matched their army to German soil for a direct confrontations against German formations, what a display of cowardice.

I always tell you guys that you do not fight wars based on emotions. How did you expect Britain to directly confront a German war machine that had been preparing for over 5 years. Cowardice is fighting a war you cannot win.

wirinet:


You hold onto this idea that Hitler could have successfully invaded Britain. An invasion without naval and air superiority at that particular time would have been suicidal.

he is outrightly right for believing that Hitler could have successfully invade Britain, Herman Goring was commanding the German air force and had the best pilots/efficient air formations, German war planes even carry out air raids bombing London and other British cities in 1941, what did the British cowards did in response to those attacks? When pearl harbor was bombed by the Japanese, we all saw the rage of the Americans against the Japs, they matched their army against all territories occupied by the Japanese, Guam, Saipan, Okinawa, Iwo Jima and even the Philippines. Its a shame on the British not to have responded to an attack of such magnitude, you are there talking about British Naval superiority, why didn't they invade Germany with their almighty Navy who once defeated the indomitable Spanish Armada?

wirinet:

I always tell you guys that you do not fight wars based on emotions. How did you expect Britain to directly confront a German war machine that had been preparing for over 5 years. Cowardice is fighting a war you cannot win.

then why declaring a war on Germany when they knew they couldn't confront the German army?

mysticwarrior:
then why declaring a war on Germany when they knew they couldn't confront the German army?

I never said they couldn't confront the German military, I said they could not confront the German military at that time. They need time to plan and prepare, they need time to build their military complex and most importantly, they need to build alliances. That's was why Churchill worked tirelessly to bring in the Yankees on their side. The happiest day for Churchill was when Roosevelt declared war on Germany.
It's all about winning and not bravery. There is a reason Britain had never been conquered or lost a war.

wirinet:

I never said they couldn't confront the German military, I said they could not confront the German military at that time. They need time to plan and prepare, they need time to build their military complex and most importantly, they need to build alliances. That's was why Churchill worked tirelessly to bring in the Yankees on their side. The happiest day for Churchill was when Roosevelt declared war on Germany.
It's all about winning and not bravery. There is a reason Britain had never been conquered or lost a war.

pls I need you to demystify me on the difference between the German army and the German military, are they separate entities? Why didn't they planned ahead before declaring war on Germany? They needed to build alliance to brace courage against Germany and that was why Churchill was happy when the US joined the war. Wait did you just say "Britain has never lost a war"? My friend you shouldn't by commenting here because you don't know history, Britain lost the American war of independence. It takes courage and bravery to go to war, A brave man will not look at the size of your army and tremble, and that is what made the Fins defeated the invincible soviet army in the winter war.

mysticwarrior:
pls I need you to demystify me on the difference between the German army and the German military, are they separate entities? Why didn't they planned ahead before declaring war on Germany? They needed to build alliance to brace courage against Germany and that was why Churchill was happy when the US joined the war. Wait did you just say "Britain has never lost a war"? My friend you shouldn't by commenting here because you don't know history, Britain lost the American war of independence. It takes courage and bravery comes first when engaging a war, A brave man will not look at the size of your army and tremble, and that is what made the Fins defeated the invincible soviet army in the winter war.

You are getting things mixed up, there is a difference between fighting on foreign lands and fighting on home soil. The British had never been conquered on home soil. The previous world powers had made many attempts but failed, only Caesar came close.
The afghans and the Ethiopians have also never lost on home soil. They are resilient enough to always eventually drive away invaders.
The fins defended their homeland against a bigger invading force, there is no way the fins would defeat Russia as an invading force inside Russia.

wirinet:

You are getting things mixed up, there is a difference between fighting on foreign lands and fighting on home soil. The British had never been conquered on home soil. The previous world powers had made many attempts but failed, only Caesar came close.
The afghans and the Ethiopians have also never lost on home soil. They are resilient enough to always eventually drive away invaders.
The fins defended their homeland against a bigger invading force, there is no way the fins would defeat Russia as an invading force inside Russia.

pls read your previous and subsequent posts, you said " Britain has never been conquered or lost a battle, it was after I made reference on how Britain lost the American war of independence that you came up with another interpretation that, "Britain has never been conquered and lost a battle on home soil. The vikings invaded Britain and seized territories in Mercia and Northumbria and all these happened inside British territories.

wirinet:


You hold onto this idea that Hitler could have successfully invaded Britain. An invasion without naval and air superiority at that particular time would have been suicidal.

The level of success is unknown. American colonists winning a war against the Brits...what would have been the odds of success a billion to one.

Napoleon didn't have the naval power for an all out invasion of Britain.. With d help of his foreign affairs minister Mr Charles Maurice De Talleyrand they tried to isolate Britain.

While d Brits were looking to contain Napoleonic France.. Trying to maintain a European balance of power...

Hitler tried invading Britain but he failed. His Luftwaffe was a no match for the British Royal Air force,, hence they failed d win the air battle because there is no way he gonna invade Britain through the English channels. It's significant to note that before and during the war..that Britain had the most powerful navy in the world.

So if you gonna invade Britain,, your only option is to control the BRITISH AIR SPACE.... if not,,you're dead on arrival.