Mkenya2019:
Class A - Railway - has to be as straigh and level as possible - you get what you pay for.

Kenya’s $3.2 bn Chinese built Standard-Gauge Railway (SGR) ranked as the only remarkable railway line in Africa and seventh globally

Nairobi Terminus

Mwenzangu,endelea kuwasomesha fundamentals za rail economics! One or two of these guys might learn if only by default.

I believe the Kenyans have learnt by force here today.
They got buried with facts on their SGR.

tylann:


It has been posted here on nairaland over and over again
Go back few pages you will see it

I didn't see that . Which page and if you have the link you can write it here. Now they are doing flash butt welding and in July there will be those testing, stop your illusion.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrcv3CBi63E

Rwanda have already abandon that kenya-uganda-rwanda corridor. They do not want that debt trap diplomacy with china.http://rwandahighcomm.org.sg/2018/01/15/rwanda-tanzania-agree-on-joint-construction-of-sgr/

obaaderemi:
I believe the Kenyans have learnt by force here today.
They got buried with facts on their SGR.

You have deteriorated like anything Nigerian eventually does.You began with at least two functional brain cells and some self respect..now you're no different from problemkid or samrobo.You just heckle, make arguments devoid of any logic or soundness and now the only arsenal left is misusing Seun forum moderatorship to silence us.What a shame.Nigeria is sinking down coz of characters like you.This thread is an eye opener to understand the irony of hydrocarbon rich Nigerians with 140m poor people.

Acadavah:
Rwanda have already abandon that kenya-uganda-rwanda corridor. They do not want that debt trap diplomacy with china.http://rwandahighcomm.org.sg/2018/01/15/rwanda-tanzania-agree-on-joint-construction-of-sgr/

Kenya is finished! By the time the chicken comes home to roost,Somalia would be more viable. Their economy is a bubble. They are in debt up to their eyeballs and being a country with little natural resources and poor manufacturing would really make things difficult in repaying. It's heartbreaking how ignorant their youths are.If not, they won't be here fighting a lost battle, they'll be on the streets like Liberians and Sudanese stoning Kenyatta and his cronies.

Kenya has now borrowed far more
from China than from any other
country. But it has also come to
depend on a flood of Chinese
manufacturing imports, a trade
imbalance that makes it harder to
raise foreign currency to pay off debt.
Kenya’s trade with China has grown
eightfold in the past decade, according
to President Uhuru Kenyatta, who
complained at a conference this
month in Shanghai that the trade was
skewed in favor of China.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/23/world/africa/one-african-nation-put-the-brakes-on-chinese-debt-but-not-for-long.html

I told them the whole thing is designed to fail so china can repossess them,they got angry and started logging in with multiple accounts to hurl insults. They are even owing Nigerian banks.

Mkenya2019:
You have deteriorated like anything Nigerian eventually does.You began with at least two functional brain cells and some self respect..now you're no different from problemkid or samorobo. You just heckle, make argument devoid of any logic or soundness and now the only arsenal left is misusing Seun forum to silence us.What a shame.Nigeria is sinking down coz of characters like you.

And you, my friend, have been reduced to throwing insults in the face of facts. But then,facts are stubborn.

kikuyu1:


Mwenzangu,endelea kuwasomesha fundamentals za rail economics! One or two of these guys might learn if only by default.

I know hope springs eternal but I am increasingly convinced that Nigeria is gone.It cannot be saved because the level of ingorance is astounding.We are talking of generations that went through schools without learning anything.Its akin to Tanzania.Its hopeless.They need to start from the basic... education.

Mkenya2019:
Ohoo I see you're keeping close tab on my personal affairs. Did Ghanian Vax die already. I think I am adult enough to know how to spend my time.

Just stop banning people. It's prove the Nigerian stereotype right. You lack integrity. You lack the brains. You are getting intimidated by countries that naturally would wash your feet - because you're as incorrigible as your country leadership, has wasted trillion dollars of oil and now lead in poverty.

It's either you or the other 64-bla-bla - who are actively banning me - without any justification. I know when I see either of you online and I give you my hard doses of reality - it won't be a few minutes - before I am banned.

But it's expected - I am wadding in a pig sty or is it zoo - and I have to swatch dung flies loking for fresh dung as Nigerians here openly defecate as they won't.

Hello guys. I am new here and it's wrong to ban those with divergent opinion. i am from mwanza Tanzania but was educated in Kenya.

obaaderemi:
And you, my friend, have been reduced to throwing insults in the face of facts. But then,facts are stubborn.

Honesty is a virtue I value .I don't insult people. If I called you slow then be assured I don't make such conclusion lightly without sufficient evidence.I have tried sacracms and euphemisms but look who were are dealing with.

kikuyu1:


Son,in the world of Men logic rules. Things may get heated but generally we accept facts. To do otherwise and to misuse one's power on a public forum to silence others is def feminine, which explains the excessive estrogen and emotion of your posts.
A Man has no need to refer to 'Little Indians and/or pigs during debate. Likewise, false advice and schadenfreude (look that up) are an unflattering reflection on the poster.
Son,you've been told!

I guess we are dealing with a feminine moderator here. Is he always this despotic? Why is he so insecure?

Obakillah:



Hello guys. I am new here and it's wrong to ban those with divergent opinion. i am from mwanza Tanzania but was educated in Kenya.

The man got banned for flouting rules. He's been crying ever since like a kid denied candy.If divergent opinions weren't welcome, do you think we would have entertained them here for so long with all the nonsense and lies they spew? Food for thought, Man.
Anyway, welcome.

Mkenya2019:
Honesty is a virtue I value .I don't insult people. If I called you slow then be assured I don't make such conclusion lightly without sufficient evidence.I have tried sacracms and euphemisms but look who were are dealing with.

You might want to type again when you are less angry. This is incoherent.

Obakillah:


I guess we are dealing with a feminine moderator here. Is he always this despotic? Why is he so insecure?

That misogyny but insecure they are..they are running on empty and have resorted to heckling and base insults..and those that wield the stick are using it to ban us without any basis. They did this to the Ghanians.They know they cannot win on the merits of their arguments because who surely can defend the poverty capital that earns billion dollars from oil annually with absolutely nothing to show.

This was so informative!

Mkenya2019:
Comparing kenya and TZ - is like comparing Kenya and Nigeria. It's like day and night.

TZ went Ethiopia way - they went for Class 2 - electrified railway. Ethiopia have been in operation for 3-4yrs and it's huge mess. Their electric trains stall mid-way every often because of erratic power supply. They are still one one or two trains from Addis to Djiboutti. It has no hope of repaying the loan...and they already asked Chinese for debt relief..they were given more time to repay.

Now Kenya has - again - some of the most QUALIFIED engineers, architect and designers - and policy wonks - you can think about.

We thought about all those issues. And we settled for Class 1 (heavy load) railway that is diesel-run - but with an option to electrify in the future - and the results - Kenya SGR is about to break even. We are doing 4 passengers trains and 28 cargo trains - 1 year in operations. In exactly 2yrs operations - Kenya has already surpassed it's 5th year projection.

Now Ethiopia is generally better in decision making than Tanzania and Nigeria.

Nigeria SGR of course is very sad story. Enough said of that.

Let try Tanzania. They are building brown-field (kenya is green-field - entirely new) electrified SGR from Dar to it's hinterland. It financed 50% by internal fund and 50% by commercial loan (CRAZY from South Africa's Stanchart bank. TZ main city is Dar - just like Nigeria - Lagos - nearly 60% of all cargo terminate at Dar. The railway will be just for transporting passengers and has no chance of in hell of breaking even in 30yrs. Unless they some minerals to ferry from the hinterland....there is little cargo that Rwanda or Burundi can do.

Tanzania is basically building the railway as competition against Kenya. They never thought through and they will of course be asking for debt forgiveness when StanChart squeeze their balls.

Kenya as always makes smart decisions. We have refused to extend the railway at China terms because it's doesn't make economic sense - China wants the railway to get to Congo - and they should fund it.

The cost variable - has been explained severally - Kenya is class 1, it's also green-field, it also include rolling stock, has several animal corridors - and when all that is factored it's competitively priced

Ugandans did comparison of the 3 - and choose the kenyan one.

Here is Uganda comparison...Kenya vs Tanzania vs Ethiopa.

https://www.sgr.go.ug/sites/default/files/downloads/SGR_comparison_of_Kenya_Tanzania_Ethiopia_Uganda.pdf


https://www.theeastafrican.co.ke/business/Kampala-Addis-Ababa-rail-lines-costs/2560-3815786-rbewuez/index.html

Somebody is playing the victim card after they got shredded with facts.

Those with the big sticks are banning us.

Nigerians get banned here everyday and they don't cry.

Mkenya2019:
That misogyny but insecure they are..they are running on empty and have resorted to heckling and base insults..and those that wield the stick they are using it ban us left and right.

Engaging obaawonidiot is an attempt to wiped away your intellectual reasoning and replace it with his own. You will retroggressed intellectually.


Just turn the table around and show him how stupid he is. I enjoy him when he explain himself foolishly. He is like a stubborn boss in action film, he never die easily..... .....

obaaderemi:
Somebody is playing the victim card after they got shredded with facts.


Nigerians get banned here everyday and they don't cry.

I won't be using this handle if I hadn't been banned severally the last few days.I can hazard a guess it's either you or the deported 64 bla guy.Facts don't shred me.They make me change my mind.I am flexible.Convince me.Its ain't easy because I do my research before forming an opinion.You should try do the same and you'll be a better person..and won't need to act like your dead hero Sani Abach murdering ken Sarowiwas whose only weapon is their nimble mind.Ken Sarowiwa is a hero ..Abacha is disgraced victim of Viagra.Abusing Seun platform to silence folks your differ is low... Nigeria got out of it about 20yrs ago...but old habits die hard..I hear your army routinely harass people.You got used to that.It ain't normal.In Kenya you can call the president a dog.

vaxx:
Engaging obaawonidiot is an attempt to wiped away your intellectual reasoning and replace it with his own. You will retroggressed intellectually.


Just turn the table around and show him how stupid he is. I enjoy him when he explain himself foolishly. He is like a stubborn boss in action film, he never die easily..... .....

I am glad you're still around. You and just30 are a joy to read.I learnt a lot about Ghana from you guys and there is no doubt Ghana is one Africa progressive nation.

obaaderemi:
The man got banned for flouting rules. He's been crying ever since like a kid denied candy.If divergent opinions weren't welcome, do you think we would have entertained them here for so long with all the nonsense and lies they spew? Food for thought, Man.
Anyway, welcome.

Thanks for the warm welcome. I hope I don't get banned.

Obakillah:


Thanks for the warm welcome. I hope I don't get banned.

Welcome. Break the rules, get banned.

Mkenya2019:
I am glad you're still around. You and just30 are a joy to read.I learnt a lot about Ghana from you guys and there is no doubt Ghana is one Africa progressive nation.

obawonidiot is vaxx little dog,( I am the husband of his mother) he can go ahead and commit suicide if he find my presence here uncomfortable.

You guys are silent about Ghana this days.....

Mkenya2019:
That misogyny but insecure they are..they are running on empty and have resorted to heckling and base insults..and those that wield the stick are using it to ban us without any basis. They did this to the Ghanians.They know they cannot win on the merits of their arguments because who surely can defend the poverty capital that earns billion dollars from oil annually with absolutely nothing to show.

That's very unfortunate. Mwalimu Julius Nyerere taught us open to all ideas and to be compassionate to different opinions. It's sad what's happening here has taken root in my beloved Tanzania. I hope Africa changes for the better.

Obakillah:


Thanks for the warm welcome. I hope I don't get banned.

The only way to break the rule is by giving fact and making obaawonidiot look stupid in the face of international audience.

Obakillah:


That's very unfortunate. Mwalimu Julius Nyerere taught us open to all ideas and to be compassionate to different opinions. It's sad what's happening here has taken root in my beloved Tanzania. I hope Africa changes for the better.

Yes TZ was more open society before the current dictator who thinks he know everything..from girls issues at school....to cashew nuts..to nuclear science.

vaxx:
The only way to break the rule is by giving fact and making obaawonidiot look stupid in the face of international audience.

Thanks for the advice. Ghana is a great country.

Jonraid:
This was so informative!

Uganda opt for Tanzania way

https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.theeastafrican.co.ke/news/Uganda-Tanzania-to-build-electric-railway-line-/2558-3966938-398wo1z/index.html&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwiw-NuBqNriAhWEsXEKHf5nDvoQFjABegQIBxAB&usg=AOvVaw1_IQYii2tWablT0M55BtZj

Mkenya2019:
I won't be using this handle if I hadn't been banned severally the last few days.I can hazard a guess it's either you or the deported 64 bla guy.Facts don't shred me.They make me change my mind.I am flexible.Convince me.Its ain't easy because I do my research before forming an opinion.You should try do the same and you'll be a better person..and won't need to act like your dead hero Sani Abach murdering ken Sarowiwas whose only weapon is their nimble mind.Ken Sarowiwa is a hero ..Abacha is disgraced victim of Viagra.

You're getting banned for your desperation.
That desperation would be better handy if you mobilized Kenyan youths against a political dynasty that has put you in its back pocket and saddling you with debts which your children would continue paying long after you are dead and buried, while your rulers,their children and even old mother feed fat.
If you were open to facts and superior argument, then you wouldn't have started throwing insults out of frustration and maybe you wouldn't have been bogged down on nairaland.

vaxx:
obawonidiot is vaxx little dog,( I am the husband of his mother) he can go ahead and commit suicide if he find my presence here uncomfortable.

You guys are silent about Ghana this days.....

We are waiting for Africa free trade and we can work closely with Ghana to bridge the west and east divide.Nobody in Kenya has issues with Ghana.Nigerians and Cameroon have earned bad reputation.One famous Ghanian-Kenyan is Patrick Quarco.He probably can win a political seat if he wanted.

Mkenya2019:
Yes TZ was more open society before the current dictator who thinks he know everything..from girls issues at school....to cashew nuts..to nuclear science.

I agree but in this country you are not allowed to criticize the great leader. I am risking my life just by admitting this. I think it's better we discuss other stuffs.

Someone is afraid to confront me directly. He's trying to hide behind the Little Indians to stage a comeback.

Acadavah:


I didn't see that . Which page and if you have the link you can write it here. Now they are doing flash butt welding and in July there will be those testing, stop your illusion.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrcv3CBi63E

Go back few pages and you will see it