cossano:
in the spirit of enlightening one another, because i see some common misconception about Nairobi here a lot.
1.Nairobi has about 4 business districts, they include the following

a) The old CBD (this the one that is easily recognizable on photos)
b) Upper Hill the fastest growing business district in Africa
c) Westlands
d) Mombasa road

kenya's commercial and high end property segments is doing pretty good, you can give us that

however, we are doing poorly in lower end properties, mass transport and gabbage collection.

one of the major reasons why westerners prefer Nairobi over Dar is because of its good climate, Nairobi climate is cool all year, infact there is very little need for air conditioning in Nairobi, this is what i love about Nairobi the most.

I would add Kilimani/ngong road as a business district.Its not the climate alone but also the infrastructure, the English speaking professionals, world class office and residential spaces, etc etc.Nairobi big problem is traffic jams and petty thieves.

Guys with enough research I have noticed as stupid as Kenya is they think they can use infatrucure I.e (loan infrastructure ) to make Kenya a developed country if that is so why isn't south Africa yet a developed country and come to think of it do you guys even have future master plans at least a 30years master plan Nigeria once made that mistake that why our once glorified 1980s infrastructure are nothing today but we've learned from that mistake and now every newly built city e.g. eac,centenary,kano cbd etc have at least a 30years master plans so the cities won't be addicted with our population raise the will cause heavy stress on our infrastructure

obaaderemi:
Stop lying, Oga while I am still around.
Kenya produces about 4bn litres of milk. A litre of raw milk in Kenya is ksh36. In fact, that ksh36 is the highest in the market, it is paid by Brookside.

If you multiplied 4bn litres by ksh36, you get about $1.5bn.

Remember, your milk industry is only 20% formal.

And please please please, stop lying once again! Brookside was never valued by Danone at $400million in 2014.The last time Brookside was publicly valued was in 2009.It was a paltry $170mn.

So,milk $1.5bn max.Let me go to tea.
Today,we will get the true idea of how small your GDP is actually. Trust me.

They didn't produce 4 bill, they produced 3.43 bill littles last year. http://dailyactive.info/2019/03/05/top-ten-milk-producing-countries-in-africa-kenya-will-surprise-you/
They did export usd 1.1b of tea last year. I wonder how they can produce agricultural goods worthy 30Usd bill.

spendoon:
Guys with enough research I have noticed as stupid as Kenya is they think they can use infatrucure I.e (loan infrastructure ) to make Kenya a developed country if that is so why isn't south Africa yet a developed country and come to think of it do you guys even have future master plans at least a 30years master plan Nigeria once made that mistake that why our once glorified 1980s infrastructure are nothing today but we've learned from that mistake and now every newly built city e.g. eac,centenary,kano cbd etc have at least a 30years master plans so the cities won't be addicted with our population raise the will cause heavy stress on our infrastructure

Try pidgin.

And I think Nairobi should never be compered with Abuja Abuja beats Nairobi in infatrucure by far the only problem is there are very few skylines in Abuja and note that because it still under construction because that city is lyk super planned do you know that apart from centenary city the federal government are constructing a numerous amounts of towers in the main city and the exciting thing is all districts in Abuja from the estates zone to the main city to centenary city would be connected with tunnels and double lane morden speed trains not sgr
NOTE every thing I just typed are not dreams but riality under construction.

Mkenya2019:
Try pidgin.

I had some typing error's due to the prediction on my phone but I believe u still understood me did u have at least a 30years master plans

Mkenya2019:
Kenya agriculture sector. Let see how cooked it is.

1) Kenya Dairy Sector - The largest and most sophisticated in Africa. With an estimated 5 billion litres of milk produced in the country. With about 648M litres processed. It accounts anything btw 5-8% of GDP and about 15-20% of the Kenya's agricluture GDP. In dollars terms - the sector is worth anything 5-8 billion dollars.

Some of biggest industry players include Brookside (owned by Kenyattas) - with 45% market share, KCC (owned by gov & farmers) with 35% and many farmers-co-op processors like Githunguri (10%).

Suffice to say kenya leads Africa in milk consumption...

Brookside is now well over 1B dollars in valuation and sell it's milk as far as Zambia. Few years ago French Dairy Conglomerate (Danone) valued it at 400M dollars when it acquired a minority stake.

In Africa - Brookside, Danone and Arbaaj - are biggest player. With signing of Africa Free Trade - expect to see Brookside milk in West Africa shores.

Here the famous Fulani herdsman who also double up as Nigeria President admiring Brookside factory in Ruiru Nairobi.

This brookside company is careless.I doubts how do they produce their dairy products.

Imagine dudes entering production area without hairnets! That shouldn't allowed at all.A stupid people who tries to produce milk.Someone should buy them these stuff..

spendoon:

I had some typing error's due to the prediction on my phone but I believe u still understood me did u have at least a 30years master plans

You're talking about city master plan.Of course.Those are living documents.Nairobi master plan was written in 1948..updated in 1973..and recently updated in 2015 or around.Plans are good.Its even better when they are followed.Nigeria cities need to enforce strict zoning.Abuja is already loosing it.We also have national vision.Ours vision 2030 when we hope to be a middle class country like South Africa with GDP per capita of 4000 dollars or more.We are now at 2000 GDP per capita and we hope triple our GDP by 2030 and add less folks.It would be nice to be 300b dollars economy with 60m folks in 2030.

Nairobi matatus vs Dar es salaam brt
Kenya should get another loan from chinese to construct brt in Nairobi. Look how Dar is clean .

These bulls can weigh almost a tonne. Look at those legs,short and steady to support that boxy bulky body. Now that's a true beef breed cow.

I remember back then in highschool Geography studying about Beef Farming in Kenya and Argentina.You'd always compare Kenya with a high ranking nation in a certain economic activity. For instance we had topics like

- Dairy farming in Kenya and Denmark

-Horticulture in Kenya and Netherlands

- Fishing in Kenya and Japan

That's the 8:4:4 for you. You learned more than what you asked for

Mkenya2019:
Kenya beef industry - boost of modern ranches and breeds like Kenyan Borana - one most sought after beef cow


Modern ranches

Acadavah:


They didn't produce 4 bill, they produced 3.43 bill littles last year. http://dailyactive.info/2019/03/05/top-ten-milk-producing-countries-in-africa-kenya-will-surprise-you/
They did export usd 1.1b of tea last year. I wonder how they can produce agricultural goods worthy 30Usd bill.

It's even worse than I thought. And price of raw milk has even dropped to Ksh26 and not the Ksh36 I quoted earlier. That gives them $1bn max from milk.

Kazikazi:
And Kenyan are starving to death.Fact number 2

They keep hiding behind fake indices.

Mkenya2019:
You're talking about city master plan.Of course.Those are living documents.Nairobi master plan was written in 1948..updated in 1973..and recently updated in 2015 or around.Plans are good.Its even better when they are followed.Nigeria cities need to enforce strict zoning.Abuja is already loosing it.We also have national vision.Ours vision 2030 when we hope to be a middle class country like South Africa with GDP per capita of 4000 dollars or more.We are now at 2000 GDP per capita and we hope triple our GDP by 2030 and add less folks.It would be nice to be 300b dollars economy with 60m folks in 2030.

How long is your current

spendoon:

How long is your current

City master plan do not have end date.They need to be updated say after every 20yrs.

obaaderemi:
It's even worse than I thought. And price of raw milk has even dropped to Ksh26 and not the Ksh36 I quoted earlier. That gives them $1bn max from milk.

Kenyans are famous for lying. A dude posted here that we produced 55m bags of maize(about 5.5 tonnes) while we produced 16millions tonnes of maize last year or about 160 millions bags!

obaaderemi:
It's even worse than I thought. And price of raw milk has even dropped to Ksh26 and not the Ksh36 I quoted earlier. That gives them $1bn max from milk.

Informal dairy sector is 4b plus litres..per annum.You haven't scratch the service of a sector that about 1/5 of Africa dairy sector.

Speak of your cashewnuts sector!

Kazikazi:
This brookside company is careless.I doubts how do they produce their dairy products.

Imagine dudes entering production area without hairnets! That shouldn't allowed at all.A stupid people who tries to produce milk.Someone should buy them these stuff..

Mkenya2019:
Informal dairy sector is 4b plus litres..per annum.You haven't scratch the service of a sector that about 1/5 of Africa dairy sector.

How did u get that 4b?

Jonraid:
Speak of your cashewnuts sector!

What do u know about milk production? Can u enter in milk production areas without a hairnet? Even those brookside trucks are dirty

.

You get money when you sell milk just as milk.What about when you add value to it and sell it as yoghurt or any other known dairy product? You just don't take the annual production and multiply it by the market price so as to get the true value of Kenya's dairy sector.

Mkenya2019:
Lets ignore the landmass. You're just looking for any win .Nigeria has less 2m more cows than Kenya. Ethiopia has more than double the cows. We have more sheep and goats than you do. Happy now. Maybe you have more pigs and chicken - but it appears we have more livestock production than you do. But wait until you hear Yemi Kale - he probably claim you livestock production is worth 30B dollars.

Let me punch another hole in your parachute. Nigeria is number one in Africa in terms of goat production. Heck! They're everywhere in Nigeria.

Among the Asian countries the largest goat
population exist in China, India, Pakistan and
Bangladesh. Goats in China (182 890 670 heads)
constitute the 18.19% of the total world goat
population. The above countries together with
Nigeria constitute the top five countries in the world
with the largest number of goats.

http://www.lrrd.org/lrrd28/11/skap28200.html
You really need to stop lying. It makes you appear cheap and sad. And please,when I'm around, be careful what you say in terms of economics and finance. That said,enough said.

We will soon come to Tanzania to learn about milk production cause we no nothing about it.

Kazikazi:
What do u know about milk production? Can u enter in milk production areas without a hairnet? Even those brookside trucks are dirty

Jonraid:
You get money when you sell milk just as milk.What about when you add value to it and sell it as yoghurt or any other known dairy product? You just don't take the annual production and multiply it by the market price so as to get the true value of Kenya's dairy sector.

Don't be silly like your lying rvp brother. Less than a billion litres of Kenya's milk is processed. You lack the technological capacity. In fact about 10% of Kenya's milk is processed. So how does that translate into billions.While we must give you kudos for how far you have gone with milk and horticulture, lying to yourselves only takes away the shine. That guy knows nothing about economics.

Kazikazi:
What do u know about milk production? Can u enter in milk production areas without a hairnet? Even those brookside trucks are dirty

They are very gullible.

obaaderemi:
The chart shows your data is always overcooked and can't be trusted. It deteriorated over the years.What we need are hard facts.Kenyans are known as more corrupt than nigerians. That's the reason we can't accept your data here. Rub your eyes and look again.

Tell you what,Prof-you're not doing yourself any favours tediously bleating 'overcooked' every post.
Do a sectoral breakdown including comparative consumption of a data PER CAPITA OF OIL,CEMENT,CARS,STEEL AND ELECTRICAL CONSUMPTION . Like me and rvp2018 did. Tbh,this 'overcooked' mantra of yours is boring now. Your friends and the Ujamaa village expert with their world class forensic econometrics I'm sure could help.
Remember, have figures AND SOURCES so we can discuss. Don't say ishyt like "Naij, consumes 300 kg cement per capita! Because.... umm,my uncle who's Dangote's driver told me!"
No,nigga! Whenever, you're ready;I'll wait.

Kazikazi:
Kenyans are famous for lying. A dude posted here that we produced 55m bags of maize(about 5.5 tonnes) while we produced 16millions tonnes of maize last year or about 160 bags!

I think they need to lie to themselves to feel good about the sad reality of their land. You mean 160million bags of maize? Wow.
You need to feed some to the lying snakes...

kikuyu1:


Tell you what,Prof-you're not doing yourself any favours tediously bleating 'overcooked' every post.
Do a sectoral breakdown including comparative consumption of a data PER CAPITA OF OIL,CEMENT,CARS,STEEL AND ELECTRICAL CONSUMPTION . Like me and rvp2018 did. Tbh,this 'overcooked' mantra of yours is boring now. Your friends and the Ujamaa village expert with their world class forensic econometrics I'm sure could help.
Remember, have figures AND SOURCES so we can discuss. Don't say ishyt like "Naij, consumes 300 kg cement per capita! Because.... umm,my uncle who's Dangote's driver told me!"
No,nigga! Whenever, you're ready;I'll wait.

Who broke your heart,mister?

Obaboon, today you're not heckling and banning people left right and center, congratulation.

Kenya Milk (dairy) Industry - Let me try pictures.

Mkenya2019:
Informal dairy sector is 4b plus litres..per annum.You haven't scratch the service of a sector that about 1/5 of Africa dairy sector.

Try Swahili.
All I got from your post is "4bn" litres. I thought you said it was over 5bn litres.
Even if you multiplied your phantom 5bn litres by Ksh26, you get less than $1.5bn.A far cry from the $8bn you claimed earlier. Gerrout of here,man, with your childish lies.

And you consumed 13 million tonnes of maize That is like how many bags per every Tanzanian. Is that new national pass-time. The figures I knew were around 5.5M - it appears you did 6.3M...then 6.7M in 2017/2018.

Now 16M metric tonnes is a strech....maybe Magufuli got confused with all the English.

I heard during the meeting with Zim over the Maize deal..it became very embarrassing clearly no one in TZ entourage understood English...Zim VP had to do the translation.

Mnangagwa had asked Magufuli if he had a translator among his staffers to which the Tanzanian responded in the negative before carrying on

Kazikazi:
Kenyans are famous for lying. A dude posted here that we produced 55m bags of maize(about 5.5 tonnes) while we produced 16millions tonnes of maize last year or about 160 bags!

Taking into account the possible five billion litres produced all over the country, the figures should translate into those billions you are denying. Processed milk is sold at sh.100 per litre while in the informal market the same goes for about sh.70.

obaaderemi:
Don't be silly like your lying rvp brother. Less than a billion litres of Kenya's milk is processed. You lack the technological capacity. In fact about 10% of Kenya's milk is processed. So how does that translate into billions.While we must give you kudos for how far you have gone with milk and horticulture, lying to yourselves only takes away the shine. That guy knows nothing about economics.