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Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by Nobody: 6:38pm On Jun 09, 2019 |
TATIME:Hmmm, thank you brother! She's an untamed daughter of Eve,to be totally ignored! I know gradually i will learn how to apply all Bible' counsel one by one! |
Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by shadeyinka(m): 6:39pm On Jun 09, 2019 |
Maximus69:This shouldn't pain you my sister! At least I've stopped calling you brother. Remember that Jesus never called the Sadducees anything: He ignored them for much of His ministry. |
Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by Nobody: 6:49pm On Jun 09, 2019 |
shadeyinka:You are 100% correct, only one thing is missing Sir! There should be a PUBLIC HEARING of your presentations in comparison with their own. Otherwise you're exhibiting the trait of the Pharisees who have already concluded without giving Jesus an hearing on what he truly believe! John 7:51-52 You know as TRUE Christians, we fear whatever comes out of the mouth of our Master, Lord and King. He said 'the type of judgement you render to others is what you're going to get' Matthew 7:2 Jehovah's Witnesses will never decide for anyone unless we first give the person the opportunity to speak for himself. Matthew 10:11-15 That's why it is easy for us to fish out faithful ones from your midst and bring them in for Jesus, because we're 100% sure that you're one and all deluded with divers doctrines! |
Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by Nobody: 6:52pm On Jun 09, 2019 |
shadeyinka:Whatever neighbour, W H A T E V E R! |
Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by Nobody: 7:04pm On Jun 09, 2019 |
Maximus69:They just follow whatever their magic practicing priests tells them without thinking twice! He believes all religions calling Jesus are Christians. He believes there is no denomination in heaven. He believes whoever accepts others as Christian is OK Now what is the criteria of segregating those religious groups without any hearing, tori olorun? Instead of saying their magic practicing priests have given them certain group names to castigate, they'll start lying against God's holy spirit saying 'na him tell me say that church no be am' explain from the Bible, NO WAY! let's hear from them, NO WAY! Walahi Talahi Jesus knew everything about them before saying 'they have nothing to say against the TRUTH' |
Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by Nobody: 8:00pm On Jun 09, 2019 |
TATIME:Hmmm, I wonder o! Instead of covering their faces in shame, they're still trying to convince themselves inside falsehood. Which of you should i join if i leave Jehovah's Witnesses? Response ~ Any of us! But your doctrines contradicts one another now. Response~ don't worry about that, just leave JW! I will never stop thanking God that i listened that faithful day to what those JW wanted to say, because their presentation that day opened the way for me to realise that Jesus truly have a unique GROUP like no other! |
Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by Nobody: 8:46pm On Jun 09, 2019 |
Maximus69:What a disaster! You know i've been trying to find out what ensued to this discussion of brother or no brother! So after concluding that you're a Sadducee, he still wish you're his brother! Please WHY? HOW? ON WHAT GROUND? I know you're seeing how learned they are when it comes to discernment and how confused they are when talking about judgment! A cultist who is worshiping the same god like olumba and mormon, you still went ahead to address him as 'my brother' They envy the way JWs relate by unwavering faith yet instead of humbly submitting themselves to learn how two persons could truthfully relate as brothers, they just feel like addressing anyone even the person for whom they've developed intense hatred as BROTHER! Genesis 4:9 Jehovah will surely deliver us from their hands in Jesus name! |
Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by Nobody: 8:50pm On Jun 09, 2019 |
TATIME:A M E N!!! |
Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by Nobody: 9:06pm On Jun 09, 2019 |
shadeyinka:@ Tatime! Please take note! 'Jesus never called the Sadducees anything: He ignored them for much of his ministry' But shadeyanka who claims to be one of Jesus' followers today has been the one striving to engage a Sadducee in argument, even when that one is saying 'let sleeping dog lie' And even after confirming that this is surely a Sadducee {due to a lengthy discussion that ended in disagreement} he still wish a demonic Sadducee be his brother! What an unquestionably stupid and confused dullard? |
Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by Nobody: 8:38am On Jun 10, 2019 |
For the benefit of all SINCERE followers of this thread! We should be aware that Jesus' ministry was targeted at THREE main goals, Jesus actually achieved TWO of these three goals and asked his followers to continue in the two so that the third goal could be achieved! FIRST GOAL~ Jesus made it clear that mankind is far away from his holy father due to our sinful state, he then thought us the tenets that will draw the attention of his father into loving us as sons so that our sinful conditions is blotted out completely! Matthew 5:3-20 SECOND GOAL~ Jesus' followers were 100% sure that there teacher's counsel is truly divine even passersby were amazed at the uniqueness of his teachings { Matthew 7:28-29,John 7:45-46 compared to Isaiah 9:6} they told him 'though it is PRACTICALLY applicable, simple and straightforward but very difficult to practice' in the midst of crooked people { Luke 18:26} Jesus told them they needed the help from God in order to be DIFFERENT and start APPLYING all that he taught them! Matthew 19:26 THIRD GOAL~ There must be a visible GROUP of people PRACTICING what Jesus taught during his ministry globally! Act 1:8 This is the goal that wasn't met during Jesus' life time on earth. Because he told his followers that it is ONLY through the help of God's holy spirit that they can succeed in the practical applications of his teachings {John 14:15-17, Act 1:8} So according to Jesus, the GROUP practicing what he taught will not surface until the arrival of the holy spirit. And it happened just as Jesus said so that after observing the activities of Jesus' followers in a city called Anthioc, onlookers could say 'this are the Christians' as in those practicing exactly what Jesus who claimed to be the Christ taught throughout his life! Act 17:11 Satan have established so many religious groups today {Matthew 13:24-30,36-43} and because he knows that none of them belongs to Christ,so he is trying really hard to discourage people from focusing on any GROUP because if they do they will notice as in observe the one and only GROUP practicing what Jesus taught! Matthew 13:43 compared to Matthew 5:14-16 We are Jehovah's Witnesses! The group name supposed to be Jesus' Witnesses{Christians} Act 1:8 But because Satan's seeds have tarnished that image {Matthew 13:25-26} the true God JEHOVAH suddenly change our group name in this final part of the days {Isaiah 65:15} so that we stand out as a unique GROUP totally different from all Satan's seeds! Revelations 18:4 compared to Matthew 10:22, John 17:14-17 |
Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by OkCornel(m): 8:50am On Jun 10, 2019 |
All ye debaters... If you believe in the same Jesus and the One True God Paul preached of, consider this scripture for your morning digest while you interact... Galatians 5 v 14-15; 14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 15 But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another. Galatians 6 v 1; Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted. |
Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by Nobody: 9:18am On Jun 10, 2019 |
OkCornel:1John 2:19, 2John 10-11 Satan sowed his own seeds throughout the earth today and they've been gathered in bunches {Matthew 13:30a} Light and darkness can never be together as one family, the family of light will stand out as one and the families belonging to darkness {though you may notice that they're not in harmony} will also stand up together as one against the light! John 17:14-16 Your interest in seeing God's people unite as one is well noted, but you need to listen CAREFULLY to discern the light as it is standing clearly out of darkness! They're surely confuse amongst themselves but there is still one unique GROUP of people PRACTICING pure worship, that is the one and only organization belonging to Jesus. And all the children of darkness have been taken their stand against this single GROUP representing the light! Matthew 5:14-16 We are Jehovah's Witnesses, the global family of worshipers like no other! |
Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by Nobody: 1:28pm On Jun 10, 2019 |
Maximus69: INDISPUTABLE PRESENTATION! Bravo, Maximus! Bravo! I'll be waiting for what Satan's agents have to say about this unchallengeable write-up. Let them speak for their god if truthfully he is the true God! Habakkuk 2:18-20 Isaiah 54:17 says "No weapon formed against you will have any success, and you will condemn any tongue that rises against you in the judgement. This is the heritage of the servants of JEHOVAH, and their righteousness is from me declares JEHOVAH!" May our heavenly father bless you Maximus my brother for this wonderful presentation! Let them speak NOT just off point but refute what you typed up there if truthfully they know or have the power of discernment just like our wonderful counselor JESUS! |
Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by Nobody: 2:39pm On Jun 10, 2019 |
TATIME:NO Sir! On the contrary, you and your folks taught me all of these. Whenever i remember how your folks kept coming both rain and sunshine, they never gave up on me, my first study conductor said 'Mr you've gotten the potentials, and i believe that is why Jehovah has picked you out from the military intelligence to become one of Christ's soldiers' Last Saturday, i was discussing with a woman who has been attending the theology school, after some time she asked me a question : 'please Sir will i ever be as fully competent and completely equipped to quote the scriptures and explain it's practical applications like you are doing' Tears of Joy rolled down my cheek because that was exactly the same question i asked my conductor back then, so i gave her the same answer i received from my conductor! 'don't worry, with man that is impossible, but with God's holy spirit, all things are possible' Matthew 19:26 So Tatime i'm doing it! That's why i'll always say 'Jehovah's Witnesses, thank YOU!' |
Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by Janosky: 7:59pm On Jun 11, 2019 |
shadeyinka: Lying Pharisee Shadeyinka,you have no proof that 1,2,3 are serving our Most High God, Jehovah (Psalms 83:18), the God and Father of our lord Jesus Christ (John 20:17, Rev 3:5,21. Acts 3:13. Eph1:3. 3:14,15). |
Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by Janosky: 9:35pm On Jun 11, 2019 |
shadeyinka:Lying Pharisees, your false gospel of trinity is NOT the Gospel of Jesus which apostles Peter preached (Acts 3:12,13) or Paul preached Acts 9:17-20., Eph 1:3. Rom 15:5,6. Galatians 1:8, John 10:34-36. 7:16. 5:37. 6:46. It's crystal clear what the gospel of Jesus is. special emphasis on Acts 9 verse20. JWs stick to the scriptures and the apostolic example of the first century Christians. Acts15:1-31. Acts 9:4-31 is another case study of how well organized the first century Christians were , under Christ's leadership . That's an Organization in practice . |
Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by johnw47: 1:22am On Jun 12, 2019 |
Janosky: ha ha ha lying pharisee deceiver false jw Janosky/OneJ false jw's change the scriptures Col 1:2 To the saints and faithful brethren in Christ which are at Colosse: Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. false jw's completely removed "and the Lord Jesus Christ" from your false nwt Rev 1:11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea. you false jw's completely removed "I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last" from your false nwt evil as you are false jw's, false accusers, false prophets, false nwt, false doctrines, false jesus, false jehovah, false everything |
Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by johnw47: 1:54am On Jun 12, 2019 |
Janosky: lying pharisee deceiver false jw Janosky/OneJ your jehovah god is a false jehovah who you call almighty god and your lord jesus christ is a false christ who you call mighty god, two god's there oh polytheist of course Almighty and Mighty are names for the one true God, ask for verses so in the beginning when all that existed was your jehovah god he had "a god" with Him, ha ha truly in the beginning was the Word, and the word was with God and the Word was God, john 1:1 in the beginning God created the heaven and the earth, not "a god" created the heaven and the earth, and not a angel either oh duh one Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. in the beginning Jesus(God the Word) created the heaven and the earth Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. Joh 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God. Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. Father and the Word (God), john 1:1, created the heaven and the earth ask for more scriptures showing that Jesus is God, is Jehovah 1 Like |
Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by Barristter07: 2:33am On Jun 14, 2019 |
shadeyinka: Firstly, I admire your courage to quote the above verses, but I will restate that PERSONIFICATION does not prove personality . I have my reason: There are as well other verses that speak of holy spirit been shared , people been filled with it etc . To solve this dillema, Let's take a look at a single scripture that highlight EVERY personality that exist in the universe . Matthew 24:36 [b] " Concerning that day and hour NOBODY KNOWS, neither the angels of the heavens nor the Son, but only the Father " Two issues here 1. [i] If Holy spirit is a personality why was it ommited from this list whereas angels are mentioned ? 2. Someone might say it probably belong to the category of " Nobody Knows " . if so this question the position that it is God , and once its God status is questioned, it's personality status followed suite . Cc: nutarious 1 Like |
Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by johnw47: 3:19am On Jun 14, 2019 |
Barristter07: why has he courage to post the above verses, it's because of your twisting of said verses but it doesn't take courage to face a lying twister of God's word lie lie barristter oh duh, the Holy Spirit wasn't specifically mentioned in that verse, however He is God gabriel wasn't specifically mentioned in that verse either, however he is a angel all christians know that the Holy Spirit is God God is a Spirit, who else could the Holy Spirit be but God some verses showing that the Holy spirit is God: Psa_99:9 Exalt the LORD our God, and worship at his holy hill; for the LORD our God is holy. 1Pe 1:16 Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy. Joh_4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth 2Co 3:17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. God is holy God is a Spirit the Holy Spirit is God. more bible verses showing that the Holy spirit is God to follow |
Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by johnw47: 3:26am On Jun 14, 2019 |
The Holy Spirit is God none can flee from the Spirit - the LORD vvv Psa 139:7 Whither shall I go from thy spirit? or whither shall I flee from thy presence? Psa 139:8 If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there. Jer 23:23 Am I a God at hand, saith the LORD, and not a God afar off? Jer 23:24 Can any hide himself in secret places that I shall not see him? saith the LORD. Do not I fill heaven and earth? saith the LORD. ^^^ The LORD - The Holy Spirit, is everywhere Joh 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. God is a spirit God is everywhere God resides in believers the Holy Spirit is ofcourse God, who is a Spirit, God and the Word. "we will come unto him, and make our abode with him" "the Word was with God and the Word was God" "let us make man in our image" etc. The Word may have had a beginning as a person, but His Spirit is Eternal. more to follow |
Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by nutarious(f): 5:21am On Jun 14, 2019 |
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Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by nutarious(f): 5:29am On Jun 14, 2019 |
@Barrister07 I notice in Analysis, the same contents must be used as a basis for different group analysing. Shadeyinka has been using other Bible interpretations and maybe if we used your own interpretation which is the only different one among others there, then we could strike a balance to this Arquement about the Holy Spirit. My question from the NWT translations is to ask you @barrister who is The Father of Jesus.? Who is the Father of Jesus? Your interpretation didn't change that, it said the Holy Spirit is the Father of Jesus. Follow logic, follow rhema, follow layman's reading. That's what it said. Then When Jesus said in that Act you quoted that he mentioned the Father and Angels and did not mention the Holy Spirit. Read your NWT translation again and tell me who fathered Jesus? I will wait for your Honest review of the Scripture according to Jehovah Witness interpretation. But try and check some of this scriptures from your interpretations. Let's first get who the Father that Jesus Always talk about first. Review it well and tell me what you got from your own interpretation Shalom
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Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by Nobody: 7:01am On Jun 14, 2019 |
nutarious:Mrs Shalom Homosapien! How come you know all of this but ended up marrying an Atheist? Why are you so zealous for talks without doing what the WORD says? |
Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by Jozzy4: 7:18am On Jun 14, 2019 |
nutarious: Are u now saying the Father is holy spirit ? I thought Trinity says they are different persons . |
Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by Jozzy4: 7:19am On Jun 14, 2019 |
johnw47: Shut up there , is holy spirit the Father ? |
Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by johnw47: 7:45am On Jun 14, 2019 |
Jozzy4: confused know nothing false jw jozz the Holy Spirit is God, God is Father and the word, john 1:1 read the verses i have posted and the ones below and the ones to come over the following days and learn something oh great fellow know nothing of Janosky/OneJ The Holy Ghost is the Father of Jesus, verse 18 & 20 Mat 1:18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost. Mat 1:19 Then Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not willing to make her a publick example, was minded to put her away privily. Mat 1:20 But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost. Jesus is the Son of God, hence the Holy Spirit is God Luk 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God. Joh 1:34 And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God. |
Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by johnw47: 7:55am On Jun 14, 2019 |
Jozzy4: oh duh just like know nothing false jw Janosky/OneJ the Holy spirit is God, the Father is God, work it out answering for me of course nutarious probably explains and knows things better than me i'm just a "know little" christian but which is far better though than a "know nothing" false jw |
Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by shadeyinka(m): 8:31am On Jun 14, 2019 |
Barristter07:I wish you had addressed each of the SIX characters of the Holy Spirit I raised but instead, you choose to ignore them to raise your own single point alternate idea. No problem. It's like a chess game. It's almost impossible to check a king by just one piece. To check a king, you use multiple pieces and the more simultaneously checking the king, the less probable that the opponent can rescue his king. In this case, I gave you SIX simultaneous/concurrent characters of the Holy Spirit to show that He isn't a thing but a being. It's not one or two, but six. On your objection: why the Holy spirit wasn't included in Mt24:36. I don't know! Jesus said just what we needed to hear without complicating things for us. And the Holy Spirit is never in the class of Angels. In fact, Jesus taught things that seem scary about the Holy Spirit Mat 12:31-32: "Why I say to you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven to men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven to men. And whoever speaks a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whoever speaks against the Holy Ghost , it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come." This Scripture is similar to Mt24:36 with respect to your question: Can you please answer why the Father's Name wasn't mentioned in this Scripture? In spite of this, I will answer yours 1. Jesus wasn't teaching about God or His personality. Jesus was talking about the knowledge about the "when" the kingdom of God will be established. 2. Jesus didn't teach explicitly EVERYTHING about doctrine to His Disciples And that's why Jesus said John 14:26: "But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatever I have said to you." In other words, Jesus didn't explicitly teach or said everything we sight to know as Christians. 3. And the purpose of the Scriptures wasn't to explicitly put down in writing EVERYTHING Jesus said or Did. John 21:25: "And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen." On your second argument 2. Someone might say it probably belong to the category of " Nobody Knows " . if so this question the position that it is God , and once its God status is questioned, it's personality status followed suite .I will reply you in a question form: Is God a "someone" or "somebody" or "something"? Is God then a "No one" or "Nobody" or "Nothing"? |
Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by shadeyinka(m): 8:36am On Jun 14, 2019 |
Maximus69:This coming from someone who claims to know Christ Jesus!? Indeed by their fruit you shall know them! |
Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by Nobody: 9:58am On Jun 14, 2019 |
shadeyinka:Just TWO questions based on the commands of the foundation of Christianity. (1) Marry only in the Lord { 1Corinthians 7:39} but your sister married an Athesist{those that vehemently debunk the existence of God} (2) Christian women are to be silent during doctrinal issues { 1Timothy 2:12} she ought to ask her husband {that is a Christian whereas she married an atheist} 1Corinthians 14:35 She even have the impetus to start insulting those who are obedient to the word, calling then ROBOTS! 1Peter 4:4 Yet you can't tell her to be watchful of her manners, but with two questions based on the commands from the Bible to help her know she's SINNING AGAINST THE HOLY SPIRIT{Luke 12:10} by stubbornly ignoring clear admonition from the Apostles, you're there trying to find faults. Of course BY THEIR FRUIT YOU WILL RECOGNISE men of lawlessness, i'm sure she is a fruit of your DEAD Churches ! Matthew 7:20 Tell her that she is EQUAL all other women the Bible gave those instructions, unless you're a worker of INIQUITY! Matthew 7:23 |
Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by johnw47: 10:25am On Jun 14, 2019 |
Maximus69: lying pharisee false jw max you false jw's are not obedient to the word you change the word, evil as that is read these two articles: https://www.nairaland.com/3793815/how-one-witness-jehovahs-witness/84#79246724 plus the post following that one https://www.nairaland.com/3793815/how-one-witness-jehovahs-witness/84#79277891 plus the post following that one |
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