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Re: "In the Mouth of 2 or 3 Witnesses the Truth Is Established" - Pastor Biodun by grandstar(m): 10:07am On Jun 30, 2019 |
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Re: "In the Mouth of 2 or 3 Witnesses the Truth Is Established" - Pastor Biodun by Elvis778(m): 10:12am On Jun 30, 2019 |
laudate:"some will paralyze, faint, cry, or fight back" so which of these did she do?? See ennn, am not saying what the pastor did was right, but like she reported in her story, the pastor didn't apply force or threat or even violence, and she still froze?? he simply had his way, quietly. Who does that? Unless she was born without reflex arc (which is not possible) if she said the man pointed a gun at her or threatened her not to shout or speak or even hushed her and she froze, that will be alot more easier to believe. But the man only said "be happy a man of God is doing this to you" and she froze? Lol, i know we humans got emotions but, i won't let my emotions judge a case for me. |
Re: "In the Mouth of 2 or 3 Witnesses the Truth Is Established" - Pastor Biodun by laudate: 10:13am On Jun 30, 2019 |
Elvis778:Force can be physical or emotional. Any threat, intimidation or coercion is interpreted as force. In this case, from what she said he clearly coerced her, manipulated and intimidated her. You can continue defending the indefensible, till Kingdom come. A preacher who is married has no business having sexual relations with a single lady, outside his marriage. Or has Exodus Chapter 20 verse 14 been deleted from the Bible? |
Re: "In the Mouth of 2 or 3 Witnesses the Truth Is Established" - Pastor Biodun by laudate: 10:15am On Jun 30, 2019 |
Elvis778: Didn't she say she was in shock? Couldnt this have caused her temporary paralysis or inability to defend herself? All this your grammar just because you want to defend a man, who has refused to defend himself? If the same thing happened to your younger sister or wife, would you be here giving this same fake excuses? Listen to the psychologist again. Most victims will freeze, if only briefly. Some will fight back, effectively. Some will resist in habitual, passive ways. Some will suddenly give in and cry. Others will become paralyzed, become faint, pass out or dissociate. Did the lady do any of these? Yes....she was passive and was dissociated. |
Re: "In the Mouth of 2 or 3 Witnesses the Truth Is Established" - Pastor Biodun by Lightening: 10:19am On Jun 30, 2019 |
ayodaisi: But let he that have sin confess (not lie) and receive mercy. |
Re: "In the Mouth of 2 or 3 Witnesses the Truth Is Established" - Pastor Biodun by WarHorse1(m): 10:20am On Jun 30, 2019 |
I am shocked with the level of understanding of many Nigerians. Now I see why the church has been successful in misleading many. The pastor is quoting a scripture in the Bible. Witnesses in that sighted scripture does not refer to, in this case, the victim of rape. Else it will be her words against his. It refers to others who can give evidence to the crime committed. In fact, that quote nails his accusers rather than himself. Go bring your witnesses to the crime to establish truth before you nail him guilty. And this should be in a court of law. Rape is totally unacceptable. But with the story she has put forward, I see holes. A competent lawyer will burst her bubble. |
Re: "In the Mouth of 2 or 3 Witnesses the Truth Is Established" - Pastor Biodun by lexy2014: 10:24am On Jun 30, 2019 |
laudate: Oga don't get emotional. Pls read what I wrote here: lexy2014: D English I used is very unambiguous. So I dont no were u saw d lies u are talking about. This is an excerpt from fatoyinbos statement. “As an individual and as a church, we love and support people, we will never condone any form of rape, harassment, or intimidation of anybody. I have never in my life raped anybody even as an unbeliever and I am absolutely innocent of this. “Busola Dakolo, who has made this false allegation and her family, attended the church during the early start of the church in Ilorin in 1999. I never had any private interactions with her beyond my pastoral duties.” Pls compare d above with wgat u said laudate: From d excerpts, is that a denial or are u using a different dictionary from d rest of d world? Or u probably didn't even read d statement in d first place? Which one are accusing him of? Are u accusing him of not denying or u are accusing him of not laying out d facts? U seem 2b allover d place |
Re: "In the Mouth of 2 or 3 Witnesses the Truth Is Established" - Pastor Biodun by Elvis778(m): 10:28am On Jun 30, 2019 |
laudate:Well i see my effort to EDUCATE you on the difference between rape and seduction is like pouring water on a hen. Like ave always said, am against the man, what he did is morally wrong. But then he didn't RAPE her, just understand the difference, he pushed her on the couch and played some games on her that she couldn't resist, then had his way, this is simply SEDUCTION (persuading someone to have sex with you) If he threatened her or resorted to using violence, or maybe she even asked or begged him to stop, or even tried to struggle, or even asked him why his doing this, or even try to run, remember it's in her own house? Psychologically she has the upper hand to defend her self, you can't tell me she was so shocked that she couldn't do a thing in her own father's house?? Common, that's too lame, since she said he came in and made her feel weak that she just let him have his way without resistance, then it's simply SEDUCTION. |
Re: "In the Mouth of 2 or 3 Witnesses the Truth Is Established" - Pastor Biodun by laudate: 10:32am On Jun 30, 2019 |
lexy2014: He said he has never raped, even as an unbeliever. But he never said he has never coerced a girl into sleeping with him outside his marriage. Having sex with a girl without her consent, is still classified as rape. He said "I never had any private interactions with her beyond my pastoral duties.” Really?? So all the encounters the girl said took place, were a figment of her imagination? Why didn't he pick each one, and address it? Did his pastoral duties include the carnal contact, they had? He needs to define what he means by pastoral duties, o. Finally, you have only quoted the part where I said the pastor is sorrounded by sexual controversies. You have still not provided evidence to show where my post expressly stated that 'sexual controversies is a crime' like you alleged. |
Re: "In the Mouth of 2 or 3 Witnesses the Truth Is Established" - Pastor Biodun by Brightest04(m): 10:32am On Jun 30, 2019 |
Believe it or not there are many other Pastor Fatoyinbos out there raping your wives and daughters and sisters out there. But they cannot talk about it because of fear of being reproached,insulted,shamed by those who are enjoying the man of god's dick. |
Re: "In the Mouth of 2 or 3 Witnesses the Truth Is Established" - Pastor Biodun by laudate: 10:36am On Jun 30, 2019 |
Elvis778:Oga, try to call a spade, a spade. Unless you have witnessed a rape before, you cannot say all rape victims will fight back in the heat of the moment. Human beings react differently. So please stop defending the indefensible. She never gave him express permission to have sex with her. So his actions cannot be classified as seduction in any way. Even a psychologist has confirmed that not everybody will be in a state of mind to fight back. And yes, a person can be raped under their own roof. Haven't you heard of girls being raped in their own family house, by male relatives before? |
Re: "In the Mouth of 2 or 3 Witnesses the Truth Is Established" - Pastor Biodun by Elvis778(m): 10:45am On Jun 30, 2019 |
laudate:ofcourse not everybody, depending on the condition, if your brain knows quite alright that Nothing will save you from the situation (e.g, rape at gun point) you won't make a move at all, your reflex will fail you. But when your mind is very sure that you can escape (in your own house oo) you have the might, your reflex will work perfectly well then, don't deny this fact please. I have nothing else to say to you, but i urge u to try and read her story again with you right frame of mind and not with your emotions leading the way. You'll understand it's SEDUCTION and not RAPE. Thanks |
Re: "In the Mouth of 2 or 3 Witnesses the Truth Is Established" - Pastor Biodun by laudate: 10:48am On Jun 30, 2019 |
Elvis778:Were you inside her mind, to know what her mind was thinking at that point?? Or are you in charge of her reflexes to know if it would work in that situation? It is NOT seduction, because she did NOT give her consent, before he had sexual contact with her. Why do you find that so difficult to understand?? Once a woman witholds her consent to sex, and the man still goes ahead, it becomes rape. Let him try this abroad, and see if he would not be accused of rape. |
Re: "In the Mouth of 2 or 3 Witnesses the Truth Is Established" - Pastor Biodun by lexy2014: 10:53am On Jun 30, 2019 |
laudate: First of all, u said d man didn't deny. So what u are quoting is it a denial? Yes or No? Obviously, u were just ranting when u hadn't even read d guys statement. laudate: U said he didn't deny raping busola. Now u have read d denial. So which other girl is he supposed to admit sleeping with outside his marriage? I asked u earlier, are u sure u are using d same dictionary like d rest of d world? U seem 2b allover d place with ur points. When a person says pastoral duties, does it include rape? U amaze me cos u don't even seem 2 have a grasp of simple words. laudate: U sound as if u were there or that u were a witness. D same way busola has a right to accuse, is d same way fatoyinbo has a right to deny d accusations & defend himself which he has done. U weren't a witness to d event. So y do u now expect him 2 accept d accusations? laudate: Is there anywhere I said u said that "sexual controversies" is a crime? Can u pls produce d comment? I didn't no English was a difficult language to comprehend. Oga pls read my comment below again & compare it with what u wrote above lexy2014: |
Re: "In the Mouth of 2 or 3 Witnesses the Truth Is Established" - Pastor Biodun by ngwababe(f): 10:53am On Jun 30, 2019 |
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Re: "In the Mouth of 2 or 3 Witnesses the Truth Is Established" - Pastor Biodun by Rebuke: 10:56am On Jun 30, 2019 |
I am so sadden to be reading this whole story about this man. It's such a shameful thing either rape or not. Things like these should never be heard about a true child of God, pastor or not. I am also very happy that people are now finding their voices speaking out to share their own experiences and all. However, I see so many angles to these stories. So many people will speak out not because they were raped but felt used. Some, as a way of getting away from the guilts of their past error/ mistakes will speak out and paint it whatever way they can feel justified. Probably, due to ignorance, many people have fallen victims of sexual abuse and some might have even had sex with men out of ignorance of being loved. At that time, they thought it was fun but if things don't turn the way they expect, they may start feeling guilty, used and dumped. They will look for a way to run from this guilts.....so anything that gives them that opportunity to paint things the way it will relieve them of the guilt will be quickly embraced. Just like one who goes to the market to buy goods and willingly paid for a particular item because the seller sweet talked them into buying it then later on discoverd the item is not as expected, probably bcus others opined she had bought a fake item. Suddenly, the feeling of being cheated emerges.... We should not just be too emotional and fail to look at things from different angles. One who calls himself a pastor shouldn't take advantage of the naivety of their sheep in any way, it's such a shameful thing to even think of. I am sure there are still many who we call men of God but taking advantage of their sheep sexually and in many other ways today, all because of the trust the followers have in them. The day of reckoning is here. Be rest assured, yhur sins will find yhu out. |
Re: "In the Mouth of 2 or 3 Witnesses the Truth Is Established" - Pastor Biodun by Elvis778(m): 10:57am On Jun 30, 2019 |
laudate:remind me where she said she withheld her consent, cuz i didn't see any, he only pushed her to the couch and had his way, and she was too shocked in her own house to even struggle, what a lie, simply tell the world you both had a sexual affair and we will understand that you were young with rushing hormones that a single touch made you loose it. Not telling us that u were rapped, simply to gain public sympathy. What a society. |
Re: "In the Mouth of 2 or 3 Witnesses the Truth Is Established" - Pastor Biodun by Nobody: 10:57am On Jun 30, 2019 |
clemzo101:in the eyes of the law he did nothing wrong. it is left for his church and his god to decide if he is right |
Re: "In the Mouth of 2 or 3 Witnesses the Truth Is Established" - Pastor Biodun by laudate: 11:00am On Jun 30, 2019 |
lexy2014:Obviously, English is a difficult language for you to comprehend, otherwise you would not continue defending a pastor who cannot defend himself. You sound as if you were there, when the pastor was crafting his denial. Or you were there, when he was meeting with Busola on each occassion. His denials still do not address each of the allegations or encounters, the girl described in clear detail. He has not denied all the sexual encounters that Busola claimed they had. He has not denied going to her house. His excuse is to claim he did not go beyond "pastoral duties," with her. Really?? Tell him to define what this pastoral duties entail. Because in his own dictionary, it looks like it entails carnal knowledge, of unsuspecting women. Let him address each of the issues, the lady brought up, in clear terms like Neymar did in his own case. As for which other girl he had sexual relations with, please check the internet. Google is your friend. |
Re: "In the Mouth of 2 or 3 Witnesses the Truth Is Established" - Pastor Biodun by laudate: 11:06am On Jun 30, 2019 |
Elvis778: Oh, remind me where she gave her express permission or consent, to having sex with the man, because I cannot see it. Some of you are so bent on defending wrong doing and vice, that even if virtue came and knocked on your door, you will not open it. Even a psychologist has clarified how the human body reacts in such a situation, yet you are still arguing because you want to justify the man's disgusting actions. Na wah o! |
Re: "In the Mouth of 2 or 3 Witnesses the Truth Is Established" - Pastor Biodun by Elvis778(m): 11:07am On Jun 30, 2019 |
laudate:well, suite your self |
Re: "In the Mouth of 2 or 3 Witnesses the Truth Is Established" - Pastor Biodun by bigiyaro(m): 11:12am On Jun 30, 2019 |
lexy2014:why ask me? why don't you ask her? she came out to say a man raped her and if she decides to press charges, am sure you will know. on ur second question, u shouldn't be asking me stupid questions, i just said so many women are coming out to reveal their inappropriate sexual encounter with the pastor, and as far as am concerned, a pastor is not supposed to be embarrassed with all these type of drama if he was not a fvcking womanizer in the first place. 1 Like |
Re: "In the Mouth of 2 or 3 Witnesses the Truth Is Established" - Pastor Biodun by Bonatti(m): 11:14am On Jun 30, 2019 |
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Re: "In the Mouth of 2 or 3 Witnesses the Truth Is Established" - Pastor Biodun by lexy2014: 11:21am On Jun 30, 2019 |
laudate: What has my defending d pastor got 2do with comprehending English language? you c why I said u are all over d place with ur emotions? I can't believe a person who said he comprehends English language just said that. laudate: Pls read d following & tell me what it means, especially d last sentence. I believe it is comprehensive enough: "I have never in my life raped anybody even as an unbeliever and I am absolutely innocent of this." laudate: I wasn't there with him my dear same way u werent with busola. Its d same way every other Nigerian got access to d guys statement that I got it, from d news. Like I said earlier u were just ranting all d while without even reading d statement. There are always two sides 2a story& both individuals have told their sides 2d story. So I don't c y u are so emotional about d whole issue. laudate: Is Google not ur friend? Is Google ur enemy? Y should I check Google when I have u? At least u said he is "surrounded by sexual controversies". That means u must no d stories behind those controversies. laudate: When u keep bringing up this neymar issue, u just confirming what I said about comprehending English language. In d case of fatoyinbo, he denied ever having sexual relations with busola & also denied raping her. Neymar didn't deny having sexual relations with his accuser but denied raping her. To prove his point, he showed WhatsApp exchanges& nude pictures willingly sent to him by his accuser. Except u are telling me there were WhatsApp exchanges between fatoyinbo & busola in which busola sent d pastor her nude pix, then that puts d rape theory in d trash. |
Re: "In the Mouth of 2 or 3 Witnesses the Truth Is Established" - Pastor Biodun by Debaks1: 11:23am On Jun 30, 2019 |
Mk12:That's all dere is o... Her words against his....yet for some unknown reason ppl choose to bliv hers against his... |
Re: "In the Mouth of 2 or 3 Witnesses the Truth Is Established" - Pastor Biodun by laudate: 11:28am On Jun 30, 2019 |
lexy2014: You are one of those who would defend wrong doing and vice, even if virtue came knocking on their door. The way you are defending the man's flimsy excuses, shows you are either on his payroll or a member of his congregation. He denied raping any woman. He claimed he only offered "pastoral duties" to Busola. Duties, you know nothing about. Obviously, those pastoral duties must have included carnal knowledge and coercion of unsuspecting woman, into sexual acts. And you are here waving a flag on his behalf, carrying out a crusade for him and absolving him of any wrong doing. Wow! I repeat: his excuses do not hold water. The girl has made specific allegations against him citing locations, timelines and situations. The man has not yet addressed any of those encounters directly. With the level of detail provided by the girl, his so-called defence is nothing more than a bunch of pathetic excuses. End of story. You are free to write another long epistle, with multiple chapters, to defend him. |
Re: "In the Mouth of 2 or 3 Witnesses the Truth Is Established" - Pastor Biodun by lexy2014: 11:31am On Jun 30, 2019 |
bigiyaro: Y shouldn't I ask u? Y should I ask her? I thought u said earlier that d pastor will pay for what he did? How's he going to pay? U said what was sown will b reaped. Its not busola that said that. Its u. So y should I ask busola. If u can't defend a claim, then don't make it. In d end u have already shot urself in d foot with this: bigiyaro: So how many of these are rape related accusations? Did these woman u are referring have consensual sex with him? Are we talking about rape or whether d guy is a womaniser? What are we talking about? If he is a womaniser, what law has he broken? |
Re: "In the Mouth of 2 or 3 Witnesses the Truth Is Established" - Pastor Biodun by Kate06(m): 11:34am On Jun 30, 2019 |
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Re: "In the Mouth of 2 or 3 Witnesses the Truth Is Established" - Pastor Biodun by bigiyaro(m): 11:49am On Jun 30, 2019 |
lexy2014:abeg no take Panadol for another person headache, if the so called pastor truely raped the woman, karma will surely catch up with him, if not, God will vindicate him. That is all there is to this matter. One thing is clear here, the pastor is a womanizer, and it is a sin (crime) in christaindom. Abeg carry ur cut n join law practice go another Conner. |
Re: "In the Mouth of 2 or 3 Witnesses the Truth Is Established" - Pastor Biodun by lexy2014: 11:51am On Jun 30, 2019 |
laudate: Every human being has a right 2 defend himself & d man has done so. I don't even need 2 defend him cos his statement is enough defence 4 him. Just d way u have pitched ur tent with busola that her story is airtight, is d same way others c d situation differently. If she feels she has a case, let her head to court. Its that simple. I don't c y u are getting emotional as if u want take sniper over d issue. U aren't d one that was raped. We are all spectators in d matter. So I don't understand ur aggression & belligerent attitude toward anyone who doesn't c things ur way. Fatoyinbo was "accused" of wrongdoing & not convicted of wrongdoing. This y I said ur comprehension of English language is a problem or u are probably using a different dictionary from d one d whole world uses. laudate: Are u on busolas payroll? D way u are defending her doesn't it show that u are on her payroll? Or maybe u are her P.A.? Whether his defence are a bunch of pathetic stories or not, he has issued a denial which u said he didn't in d first place. D same way u don't believe d pastors response 2d issue, is d same way many can logically puncture holes in busolas story. Its her word against his. Nothing is factual at d moment. That's just d reality. So pls, take a chill pill |
Re: "In the Mouth of 2 or 3 Witnesses the Truth Is Established" - Pastor Biodun by lexy2014: 11:55am On Jun 30, 2019 |
bigiyaro: U are so funny. Y are u getting offended& spilling ur emotions? If am taking panadol for another persons headache, which one have u been taking? Abi all d grammar u have speaking since does d topic of discussion concern u in any way? C pot calling kettle black. |
Re: "In the Mouth of 2 or 3 Witnesses the Truth Is Established" - Pastor Biodun by bigiyaro(m): 2:37pm On Jun 30, 2019 |
lexy2014:keep masturbating on my opinion, if ur pastor is a rapist, he is going to pay, one way or another. Period! |
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