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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Odunayaw(m): 3:27pm On Jul 15, 2019
TheGoodJoe:


My criticism of Rohr has not changed. We have talents that can play with a high intensity but Rohr chose to keep us playing in a timid fashion.

In the South African game I criticized Rohr was also very simple. Why did we have to park the bus against South Africa when we could have blown them away. Keep in mind, I am talking with respect to the talents at our disposal.
Oh please, what intensity? Hard press or what. Where's the conductor that'd instigate the "intensity"
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 3:30pm On Jul 15, 2019
Earthquake2:


How did his tactics fare him to ship in goals in the group stages and lose to Kenya despite being two goals up

If you are criticizing Rohr based on Afcon performance, you dare not mention Amunike

The point is time. Amunike was in the group of death and what played out was expected before the whistle was blown in the tournament.

It will take time to turn mediocres like Tanzania to compete in such unfavourable group. Rohr on the other hand had a plethora of quality players but chose to set up in a mediocre way.

I am okay with losing while teaching the team to play in an offensive brand but I find it ridiculous playing conservative for results because in the end, the team is not growing. Our best chance to get a good grade coach who understands the possessive philosophy and can impact that knowledge lies with Amunike. Someone who has trained and worked with some of the masters.

If you still want conservative footie, good for you. As for me, the philosophy comes first and with time, the result. Rohr does not have the philosophy.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Earthquake2: 3:31pm On Jul 15, 2019
darkelf:


Gbam Jare.

We need a sound tactical assistant. That's all.

We can't give what we don't have (creative juice). To me, Rohr did well. Got to the Semi-finals of a 24 team AFCON without a creative MF and made Algeria sweat. If this team keeps improving in all aspects, I forsee us winning the 2021 AFCON.

Once we change the goalkeeper add a striker and a midfielder the team will get better

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 3:31pm On Jul 15, 2019
Odunayaw:
Oh please, what intensity? Hard press or what. Where's the conductor that'd instigate the "intensity"

I do not understand what you are asking. Can you rephrase?
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by darkelf: 3:34pm On Jul 15, 2019
Earthquake2:


Once we change the goalkeeper add a striker and a midfielder the team will get better

You're right

We need 3 creatve MFs

2 CBs and 2 fullbacks

3 GKs

2 strikers. Not make shift. Natural Strikers

Continous improvement is key. We need to stimulate more competition in the team
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by darkelf: 3:36pm On Jul 15, 2019
Problemkid1:
What's the difference between tribalism and Nigeria embarassed

Please hide this post.

It is sickening. These guys are stark illiterates.

Musa had no qualms playing with guys from other ethnic groups yet this tribalists are killing themselves over it

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by ChrisKels: 3:40pm On Jul 15, 2019
komekn:


When l called Awaziem the weakest link some described me as being biased and negatively prejudiced towards Nigerian born players.

How can you play wing back and have no pace, that's why he plays in Turkey.

Shut up Mr thats not why he plays in Turkey. He is a Centre back, not a wing back, he is a make shift RB in this afcon so u cant judge him by that. Iorfa is a RB but still hasn't done nothing of note thats why he was demoted to the youth team at Wolves before he got released

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by EEGA: 3:42pm On Jul 15, 2019
BascoVanVeli:
Honestly IMO Ndidi is not better than Onazi at the DMF position. At least at international level. He can barely win the ball back at times. Onazi would have bossed that midfield.
Do you mean Onazi of 2013?
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by ChrisKels: 3:46pm On Jul 15, 2019
zuchyblink:
I'm the only person here that saw Algeria coming before the nations Cup. Everybody here refused to rate Algeria except me

Almost everyone failed to look their way. Most people were rating the teams with more shinny stars
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by ChrisKels: 3:56pm On Jul 15, 2019
andrew444:


Nothing to pain me , people can testify here

At least i am not a tribalist that have boys who he want to always play

I support whoever the coach uses

Your ranting will never have any opinion in the super eagles

Grow up KID

Please dont drink sniper if ighalo manages to get the AFCON golden boot

Chai u have finished me ooo, oya sama me the sniper make I sip small abeg. I hear say e dey sweet, na true? grin
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by andrew444(m): 4:00pm On Jul 15, 2019
ChrisKels:


Chai u have finished me ooo, oya sama me the sniper make I sip small abeg. I hear say e dey sweet, na true? grin

Smiles
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by andrew444(m): 4:01pm On Jul 15, 2019
komekn:


When l called Awaziem the weakest link some described me as being biased and negatively prejudiced towards Nigerian born players.

How can you play wing back and have no pace, that's why he plays in Turkey.

Calm down, hope you know awzaiem is still young? You said thats why he plays in turkey, so you meant he cant play in others league or what?
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by M7even(m): 4:05pm On Jul 15, 2019
Don't blame Rohr he has always said semifinals was his target. He couldn't see beyond that long ago. We thought he was only trying to sound humble.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by ChrisKels: 4:10pm On Jul 15, 2019
andrew444:


Smiles

Hahahahaha nawa oo, u no wan catch feelings again? Guy we all want the best for this team, hence our choices will always differ. No matter how harsh I am on Ighalo it can never change anything, like wise other guys' opinion on other players in here.

To me, Ighalo is crap buh he is the top striker in this Afcon and has the coach's trust. To komekn, Awaziem is crap but he has been one of the best full backs in this afcon and has the coach's trust. Bro stop being too emotional, dis is just a game.

That said, Ighalo is an anywhere-bele-face striker grin

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by andrew444(m): 4:14pm On Jul 15, 2019
ChrisKels:


Hahahahaha nawa oo, u no wan catch feelings again? Guy we all want the best for this team, hence our choices will always differ. No matter how harsh I am on Ighalo it can never change anything, like wise other guys' opinion on other players in here.

To me, Ighalo is crap buh he is the top striker in this Afcon and has the coach's trust. To komekn, Awaziem is crap but he has been one of the best full backs in this afcon and has the coach's trust. Bro stop being too emotional, dis is just a game.

That said, Ighalo is an anywhere-bele-face striker grin

Yes awaziem has been one of the best full back in this afcon and if i am to name my team of the tournament he will be there

I see you the emotional detector

As if you have a world class striker or any striker better than ighalo, you should be happy he is 30 so his days at the eagles are numbered.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by mostob(m): 4:16pm On Jul 15, 2019
Mickael2:


There is nothing to build on. It is not as if the team has a well defined playing pattern that another coach can build on.
The only thing that Rohr brought to this team that should be maintained is the pool of talents, even that one self is due to the recent improvements in the U17 and U20 not exactly Rohr.


People keep on hammering on building on what Rohr has established, what has he established? Spain, Germany and other teams have well defined patterns of play, that is something you can build on, but after three years we don't even know if our team is a counter attacking team or a possession based team. IMHO, there is nothing to build on.

Then again people asking for a tactician as an assistant to Rohr, at the end of the day Rohr will still have the final say, so hiring a tactician does not in anyway mean that our team will suddenly start playing well. The tactician can only advice and since Rohr's nature is already as it is, he may still remain conservative and that would just amount to a waste of tax payers money. IMHO a coach should also be the tactician, and if Rohr who earns well over 40k USD per month cannot be both, then that money I am certain can get us a serviceable coach who has a tactical acumen
you have a point. But who would you suggest we hire
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon79(m): 4:19pm On Jul 15, 2019
We were not just missing a creative outlet, but we also played with no cohesion and it showed. In fact, the only good game we played throughout the whole tournament was the second half against Cameroun. Rohr's system is to just pack the bus and try to get opponents on a counter. We don't move the ball quickly and that slow build up makes it very difficult for the team to score goals. And the lack of movement, especially in the midfield, makes it difficult for us to strings more than 3 passes together.

I laugh when I hear folks blaming individual players. To me, our main problem was the system not the personnel.


O pari

Odunayaw:
And was this the same team that faced Algeria in Uyo? Do we have creative outlets? How do y'all keep missing that.
For the players we had on the field there was only way we could have played and it was seen & effectively nullified.

If you think it's beans, Renard says hi

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by mostob(m): 4:21pm On Jul 15, 2019
forgiveness:



I still wonder who does the selection in the national team.

We need to reinforce the mildfield with fresh players. The likes of Eberechi Eze, Tega Onomah, Ovie, Semi Ajayi (if he moves away from league one), Joe Aribo (if his team gets to play in Europa League and he performs), Ramon Azeez (if he gets to play in the la Liga this season), Abdul Ajagun (if he gets to play in the Belgium Pro League or a better league this season), Azubike Okechukwu (if he gets to play), Nnamdi Ofoborh (if he gets game time in EPL), Dele Bashiru (if he gets to play in a decent league), Aniekeme Okon (he should be given the chance), Kingsley Michael etc.


We should draft in more players in the attack to make it competitive.

Lookman Ademola, Issac Success and Noah Bazee should slog it out for the wings position.

We should watch out for Sheyi Ojo (fc Rangers) and Bobby Adekanye (Lazio). They can be a good addition for the RW position alongside with Noah Bazee and Isaac Success. Chukwueze should be given the competition to bring out the best in him.

Lookman Ademola can slog it out with Simon Moses and Henry Onyekuru on the LW. Enough of makeshift players.

Ahmed Musa should be moved to SS or S position.

In the striker position, Olanrewaju Kayode, Taiwo Awoniyi and Sunday Odey should be given the chance to prove themselves. They should slog it out with Osimhen and Ighalo.

We can watch out Josh Maja and David Okereke.

Onuachu!?

In the defence, we need to bring back Idowu to slog it out with Collins on the LB.

Ebuehi and Aina should slog it out for the RB position. Then, Tomori should be chased after to represent us. Uduokhia should be added into the team.

The goalkeeper department is one the problems we have. The goalkeeper trainer should be sacked and replaced with a more competent one. Then, we are good to go.
Idowu?? No please. I think Aina and Collins for LB ... Ehizube or Odubajo can deputize for Ebuehi at RB. Just an opinion. Musa Mohammed too should get sense na.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Odunayaw(m): 4:22pm On Jul 15, 2019
TheGoodJoe:


I do not understand what you are asking. Can you rephrase?
One can't play with intensity if there's no "conducting" midfield. Do we have such? We were limited to long balls down the flank because there is no trust in the midfield.

My question is who would conduct that intensity you are clamoring for? Seeing that intensity without IQ would lead to gassing out
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Odunayaw(m): 4:23pm On Jul 15, 2019
ChrisKels:


Shut up Mr thats not why he plays in Turkey. He is a Centre back, not a wing back, he is a make shift RB in this afcon so u cant judge him by that. Iorfa is a RB but still hasn't done nothing of note thats why he was demoted to the youth team at Wolves before he got released
grin you no de disappoint
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by forgiveness: 4:23pm On Jul 15, 2019
darkelf:


Isaac Success is a No, No for me. Not playing regularly (not even on loan in a championship club) and not disciplined.

Bryan Idowu is not different from what we have now. I am not keen on having him back unless he improves drastically.

Taiwo Awoniyi needs to play for the U-23 team to show what he can do for the SE.

Olanrewaju Kayode: I don't want to argue this one with you because I am not theGoodJoe an lengthy arguments are draining for me.

The only players (to add) for me include:

Fikayo and Uduokhai for CB. The current ones are very inconsistent

Ebuehi as a wing back/full back

Eberechi Eze and Joe Aribo (and maybe Nnamdi Oforborh) as creative central midfielders: Using Ndidi and Etebo won't cut it. We were exposed by Algeria

For attack, we may need Odey and Okereke; I will wait until their first full season in Belgium and I hope they impress.











If Isaac Success was on the wing yesterday, he will perform better because he can work in tight space.

Besides, you are very funny. Taiwo Awoniyi who has been tested in a better league should prove himself in the U23 first but Odey and Okereke who are yet to impress in the same league Taiwo Awoniyi already impressed should be rated highly. Ummmm!

What kind of bias scale of measurement is this?

Why the question mark on Olanrewaju Kayode? Is the name the problem or his record?

Who is our deputy LB behind Collins?

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by forgiveness: 4:24pm On Jul 15, 2019
TheGoodJoe:


I have explained before. Mismanagement of the team. Lack of support from the NFF, unpaid bills and allowances and finally being played on a poor pitch which was an advantage to the opposition.

I think they played over 50 games and did not lose any. That team only lost once.

I hear but no thanks.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by mostob(m): 4:24pm On Jul 15, 2019
MetalJigsaw:
Akpeyi faces the axe at Kaizer Chiefs, Eagles Goalie considered Surplus

Daniel Akpeyi could be shipped out by Kaizer Chiefs ahead of the new PSL season according to reports in South Africa.

Akpeyi joined Amakhosi from Chippa United in January after a season-ending injury to first choice goalkeeper Itumeleng Khune.

As a result, Khune who is also Bafana Bafana’s first choice missed out on a place in Stuart Baxter’s team to the AFCON 2019.

While He is expected to make a return in the 2019/20 season, that could also mean Akpeyi drops to third, in the pecking order.

H/T Soccer Laduma, Kaizer Chiefs have nine players on their books that are not born in South Africa, although only seven of them need to be registered as a foreigner for the 2019/20 season.

The Premier Soccer League’s rules allow clubs to have five non-South Africans registered at any one time, however if the player receives permanent residence – like Khama Billiat and Willard Katsande – they can be registered as a local.

With Kambole, Kotei and Nurkovic all set to be registered following their arrival, there are exits on the cards for the club’s other foreign players, though the decision on which two will be registered should become easier if/ when Hadebe secures a move to Yeni Malatyaspor in Turkey.

That leaves Castro, Akpeyi and ‘Dax’ – all of whom still have very uncertain futures at the club – and there is even the possibility that (with Castro transfer-listed and Akpeyi likely to be third choice if Itumeleng Khune and Bruce Bvuma are fit) none of them may be at the club by the time the transfer window closes.

Meanwhile, Akpeyi who is on duty with Nigeria at the Africa Cup of Nations was between the sticks when the Eagles eliminated Bafana Bafana from the competition in the quarter-final.




Their loss against SE still dey pain them ..lolz
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by forgiveness: 4:26pm On Jul 15, 2019
darkelf:


I am equally not in support of Amuneke as the Head coach of Super Eagles. Not with the current scandal involving his AFCON outing with Tanzania's Senior team. Neither am I in support of our local coaches getting the Job. They would be owed salaries and would resort to unscrupulous means to get money.

I even have mixed feelings on using a local coach as a technical assistant. Look at Alloy Agu and the GK dept. We don't want another Mohammed Gambo, Azubuike Egwueke or Flavor in the team. Hence my mixed feelings. The only person I would allow near the team is Finidi George who currently coaches Mallorca u-18 team and had initially offered to coach one of our youth teams for free.

I would actually prefer a foreign technical assistant with a proven track record. None comes of the top of my head for now but I would do my research and post names here.

Okay na. Finidi George? grin
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by andrew444(m): 4:27pm On Jul 15, 2019
darkelf:


Isaac Success is a No, No for me. Not playing regularly (not even on loan in a championship club) and not disciplined.

Bryan Idowu is not different from what we have now. I am not keen on having him back unless he improves drastically.

Taiwo Awoniyi needs to play for the U-23 team to show what he can do for the SE.

Olanrewaju Kayode: I don't want to argue this one with you because I am not theGoodJoe an lengthy arguments are draining for me.

The only players (to add) for me include:

Fikayo and Uduokhai for CB. The current ones are very inconsistent

Ebuehi as a wing back/full back

Eberechi Eze and Joe Aribo (and maybe Nnamdi Oforborh) as creative central midfielders: Using Ndidi and Etebo won't cut it. We were exposed by Algeria

For attack, we may need Odey and Okereke; I will wait until their first full season in Belgium and I hope they impress.










As for isaac success i disagree as you said he is not playing regularly, just say he is not getting the goals

Success started more than 10 epl games this season and he played better minutes from the bench so how is that not regularly ?

Success played 30 epl games from the 38 and the minutes was much, so you want him to play the whole 38 abi?

Just say success is not scoring goals, because the watford coach is giving that dude enough minutes
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by forgiveness: 4:30pm On Jul 15, 2019
darkelf:


Player selection was at the root of our MF troubles in the AFCON

How can you invite just 4 MFs with a regressing Mikel as the only playmaker among them. Rohr takes the wrong kind of risks. Yet you invited as many as 7 (or is it 8 attackers) and started just 4 for almost the entire duration of the tourney.

Now, the creative force got injured and we had to rely on long balls to our wingers to create chances. Cut that long ball supply and Baba Rohr ran out of Ideas.

I don't expect Rohr to make the same mistakes with player selection again for our next challenge (qualifiers). If not, we get same results. An old man ought to be wiser



That's if he still remains the coach. He should be gone by now.

I may change my mind if he's ready to bring in mildfielders into the team and if NFF will sack all those Nigerian assistant coaches and replace them with foreign technical advisers and foreign goalkeeper trainer.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by forgiveness: 4:32pm On Jul 15, 2019
ChrisKels:


The bolded was the reason u and andrew444 once tagged me a tribalist, bkus I said Musa was a shitty winger but would do better as an SS or S. I told u I would play my boys ahead of Musa on the wings buh u thought my assertions had tribal inclinations just bkus the said boys of mine happened to be Onyekuru and a fit Kalu. Now una eyes dun dey open grin

You wanted Musa out of the team outrightly. Different story.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by andrew444(m): 4:39pm On Jul 15, 2019
forgiveness:


You wanted Musa out of the team outrightly. Different story.

Lol, so he even wanted musa out?

The players rohr played was better than the ones on the bench so i dont know whats he is trying to say.

Or is he trying to say if onyekuru and kalu had started it will be a better option?
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by ChrisKels: 4:43pm On Jul 15, 2019
forgiveness:

You wanted Musa out of the team outrightly. Different story.
Can u prove that I wanted him out completely?
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Odunayaw(m): 4:45pm On Jul 15, 2019
Icon79:
We were not just missing a creative outlet, but we also played with no cohesion and it showed. In fact, the only good game we played throughout all the whole tournament was the second half against Cameroun. Rohr's system is to just pack the bus and try to get opponents on a counter. We don't move the ball quickly and that small build up makes it difficult for the team score goals. And the lack of movement, especially in the midfield, makes it difficult for us to strings more than 3 passes together.

I laugh when I hear folks blaming individual players. To me, our main problem was the system not the personnel.


O pari

not against Cameroon, in fact I believe it was a shitshow against them. Anyway you make salient points but you're buttressing my point about creativity, we don't expect the wingers to come and start creating do we? Its the midfield's job.
See how Mahrez was drifting inside pulling players with him? that's what I expected from us (Similar to how Chukwueze played against SA)

That said, with the squad we had there's no way we wouldn't have hit brick wall.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by BascoVanVeli(m): 4:51pm On Jul 15, 2019
In hindsight somebody should have been at that post.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon79(m): 4:55pm On Jul 15, 2019
True. But my point is that any player would find it difficult to be creative within Gernot Rohr's set up. Bring in Jay Jay Okocha or Kanu Nwankwo into this team and they would struggle. Either one of Iwobi, Etebo, or Mikel can operate in the creative midfield role, but they would still struggle under the system Rohr puts the team through.

As I said on twitter after we played Guinea, Gernot Rohr's system reminds me of the Super Eagles team under the late Shaibu Amodu …. the team was wobbling and fumbling but still getting relatively decent results.


O pari

Odunayaw:
not against Cameroon, in fact I believe it was a shitshow against them. Anyway you make salient points but you're buttressing my point about creativity, we don't expect the wingers to come and start creating do we? Its the midfield's job.
See how Mahrez was drifting inside pulling players with him? that's what I expected from us (Similar to how Chukwueze played against SA)

That said, with the squad we had there's no way we wouldn't have hit brick wall.

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