Welcome, Guest: Register On Nairaland / LOGIN! / Trending / Recent / NewStats: 3,173,619 members, 7,888,976 topics. Date: Saturday, 13 July 2024 at 07:37 PM |
Nairaland Forum / Entertainment / Sports / European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 (2385956 Views)
R36L Madrid - Most Successful & Greatest Champ15ns of Spain, Europe & W8rld / Arsenal Fans Thread (for Arsenal Fans) / Chelsea Fans Thread : Winners of the FA Cup And League Winners 09/10 (2) (3) (4)
(1) (2) (3) ... (1549) (1550) (1551) (1552) (1553) (1554) (1555) ... (3570) (Reply) (Go Down)
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Nobody: 12:29pm On Aug 26, 2019 |
BlueRayDick:No one here said he can’t improve, but trying to overhype his performance while comparing him with Torreira, etc and attacking those that don’t rate him was uncalled for. Secondly, u can’t be patient with a player at the detriment of team results, he can come on as sub in EPL games and gradually grow into the games + there is the FA CUP, EFL and Europa. What some don’t understand is Guen will come and go, the fact that he will improve is probable too as it’s not a certainty. He can even improve and decide to leave the club for a higher bidder, while we’ve suffered poor runs in the past just for him to grow. 1 Like |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by sod09(m): 12:39pm On Aug 26, 2019 |
kokanepyramid:He is going no where, we are giving him life contract |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Fkhalifa(m): 12:41pm On Aug 26, 2019 |
BlueRayDick: Walcott improved in so many areas till wanting to play CF/RW and injuries marred him..He started running from tackles and got lazy..We should have sold him in 2016. Many had gone to be better players, Gnabry,Oxlade,Benaccer,Vela and few more others, it can be argued they grew in lesser leagues and that shows how fans expectations and pressure makes development a bit hard especially among top teams in England... I'm not saying nuture them for 10 yrs nor offload them asap like some fans wish, but stirring the middle lane like we did for Iwobi. |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Nobody: 12:43pm On Aug 26, 2019 |
Fkhalifa:I just find him very poor in that aspect, always everywhere on the field getting in other people's way... Same can't be said of Willock even though they are both young... |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by sod09(m): 12:44pm On Aug 26, 2019 |
Fkhalifa:how is ox better than he was at arsenal and also vela. Can you prove how they improve |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Fkhalifa(m): 12:49pm On Aug 26, 2019 |
sod09:Did you follow Ox when got to Liverpool before the injury? Was the performance same as with Arsenal? Did you follow Carlos Vela and Griezman at Soceidad? |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Jodera: 12:50pm On Aug 26, 2019 |
kokanepyramid:Van Persie and Song comes to mind |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by sod09(m): 12:56pm On Aug 26, 2019 |
Fkhalifa:how did ox improve liverpool? showing moments of brilliance once in blue moon the way he does at arsenal. vela: can we have his stat at soceidad? They got tired of him and his drinking habit plus his hot and cold form he was sold to mls to compete with pensioner zlatan 1 Like |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by sod09(m): 12:59pm On Aug 26, 2019 |
Jodera:Did you read the fake lies RVP was telling the press he wasn't offered a new contract. This was our lord and saviour that time and it is possible not to offer someone like that contract. His lies were so obvious no body replied him |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Jodera: 1:02pm On Aug 26, 2019 |
sod09:Bro, I read that that stuff, I was shocked. Like he thought we faithful arsenal fans then didn't follow the saga, or maybe he thought internet wasn't available at that time. Someone who Wenger begged he should sign is now saying arsenal "was tired of him" lol After reading that, my hatred for him grew more. |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by sod09(m): 1:09pm On Aug 26, 2019 |
Jodera:I think he told wengay to buy better players that he wanted to win the league, i didn't get over his transfer till date like rvp went to united and the werey celebrated against us |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by BlueRayDick: 1:09pm On Aug 26, 2019 |
Fkhalifa: Hmmm....I'm sure u know we didn't win any major honors with walcott as our guy for years until the addition of dem Sanchez, ozil and Ramsey turning out good. Walcott remains a reference point why the team should not reward any inconsistent player for long. Anyways let's see how Guendouzi will "master positioning" and how he can become fast like the average midfielder u find in epl. |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by BlueRayDick: 1:15pm On Aug 26, 2019 |
kokanepyramid: This is why I don't bloody care if a player is 16 years old scoring hat tricks or a 35 year of dictating play in the middle of the park. If a player has been given a chance to play and week-in week-out and he's showing deficiency in areas that keep costing the club match points, others should be given that chance and let him learn from the stands/during cup matches. Those players ain't loyal, look at how RVP moved on despite years of on and off with injuries at arsenal |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Fkhalifa(m): 1:32pm On Aug 26, 2019 |
sod09:Where did I say he improved Liverpool? I said he improved at Liverpool, ask Liverpool fans what they felt about him prior to his injuries.. Vela scored 3 goals for Arsenal from 2005 to 2012.... then proceeded to score 66goals between 2012 to 2017 at soceidad. |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Jodera: 1:33pm On Aug 26, 2019 |
sod09:yeah, even tho I know it's morally wrong to say he wants to leave the club after many years the club sacrificed for you, but I understand his ambition of wanting to leave arsenal that time cos arsenal aren't ambitious then. But what really pained me was how he celebrated after he scored that goal(granted, arsenal fans might insult him and stuff, but that was just not right). Talking about little boy in him screaming "man u" is another madness. Those two made me hate him then. He would have taken a cue of how fabregas and c ronaldo did theirs when they wanted out of their respective clubs before and after leaving. Then this last lie just shattered all the little respect I had for him. With that lie, he was just indirectly telling the world that arsenal "really no no better thing". Like who the hell will be tired of a prime van persie? |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by sod09(m): 1:37pm On Aug 26, 2019 |
Jodera:exactly who will get tired of him |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by sod09(m): 1:46pm On Aug 26, 2019 |
Fkhalifa:bros the same way you felt for guen is the way lfc fans are feeling for ox he is still the old ox we know. vela 219 appearances with 66 goals he really improve i agree |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Fkhalifa(m): 1:49pm On Aug 26, 2019 |
sod09:OK. |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by solomonbrown64: 2:15pm On Aug 26, 2019 |
kokanepyramid: ..... I don't think you understand what I and a few guys perspective and point of view on this subject is just yet. No one said that Guen is better than Torreira currently, that would be blasphemy but can you guys at least acknowledge he does something right. If he plays well, he is useless, if he doesn't, it's the same thing. There are several weaknesses to his game as well as other midfielders in our team. I don't think he was brought in to start immediately but lack of midfielders has necessitated that and so he has to learn on the field. He is not perfect yet and still very raw but tagging him useless like he offers the team absolutely nothing is the reason for calling some of you guys out. Nothing more. Comparing him to the likes of Walcott and co is not fair as those had years upon years to prove what they could and they couldn't. This new admin won't be so lenient. 3 Likes |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by solomonbrown64: 2:23pm On Aug 26, 2019 |
Jencejyde: .... I don't think there is a team in England that can keep up with Liverpool (I stand to be corrected), they are just that fit and it took years for them to reach that level. We pressed a lot early last season but I think perspective changed and the coach decided to go for results rather than enforcing somethings and he has carried that too to this season as well although it's still early times as a number of first team players are either out injured or not yet match fit. And it will also depend on the tactics of the manager, we won't be seeing that tactic against Liverpool for a while. 2 Likes |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by BlueRayDick: 4:41pm On Aug 26, 2019 |
solomonbrown64: U seem to a regard loserpool so much. Yet u fail to see a man city team that has stocked enough players to play the whole season and beyond. Man city have a first team that is good and a 2nd team that is nearly as good as loserpool's first team. Why u focus solely on Losperpool I never know, but u should know there's a reason loserpool never won the league last season even with a fuuky fit Allison Becker in blistering form. Loserpool will definitely fall apart when injury creeps in, but same can't be said of city who have at least two above average players playing each position on the field. I don't knkw how loserpool will survive 4 weeks without van Djik and Sallah. |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Fkhalifa(m): 4:49pm On Aug 26, 2019 |
solomonbrown64:They understood you, it's you who doesn't... Some do not want him ahead of Torreira and Xhaka on any important game, they trust Xhaka 90% more, we score and concede less with Xhaka than Guen. Some want him far from first eleven, they want him on the bench or u23 battling with Smith Rowe & Nwakwali, and if he can't still do wonders and shake Europe like the following: McTominay,Jorginho,Fred,Harry Winks, Foden and Lingard, then he should be sold asap. I hope its clear now? Use your head or I'll ask them to ban you from here. 1 Like |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Jencejyde(m): 5:00pm On Aug 26, 2019 |
solomonbrown64:I will have to objectively disagree with you on this. If the coach lays emphasis on fitness, teams can be equally or even better fit than liverpool. Pressing for me has to be organized. I may hate Mourihno with my guts but the man has one of the best footballing brains ever. Our pressing is outright nonsense when players are more than 10 yards apart of each other. Pressing should be done with same movement from the man up top to the Goalkepper Once than man Upfront makes a move , simultaneously the wide men, midfield men and defense should step up higher. Sorry to say but Arsenal's press has been non in-existence for some years now. Barcelona is the greatest example of press. They are well drilled and organized in doing that. You can hardly have 3 seconds on the ball when they press. This boils down to the coach and majorly to how the players execute the press. Unfortunately one cannot say where the blame lies. Is it the coach or the players, but if you ask me. I always like to take responsibility as a player and i would say some of our players currently cannot be relied upon to press with co-ordination. One person that pressed well for us and i was mad when he left was Sanchez. Hate him or love him, he had his faults in giving away possession at times but if only the team around him were able to press in co-ordination with him. Im sure we would have won away at top six teams which we haven't in the past six years or so. Now Mancity have players with exceptional ball retention and distribution abilities that have awesome awareness with simple one or two touch football to break any press, (closest we had then was Santi who by the way still won Villareal Player of the season. What a player!) But even mancity or any team at that will eventually make mistakes if pressed continuously with precision. We have seen Liverpool do it to them in the Champs league so it can be done. Problem is i really do not think we have the personnel plus i really do not know if this fits in with the overall philosophy of the coach. |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by solomonbrown64: 5:01pm On Aug 26, 2019 |
BlueRayDick: .... I don't think you followed my conversation with Jencejyde. My response was about Liverpool's players fitness in comparison with ours and the rest of teams in the league although I stated clearly there that I might be wrong. ... I think it's funny for you to ask why I would regard a team that was only behind city last season with one point and surpassed us with more than 25 points. They have also been to the UCL finals twice with Klopp and won the champions League in their second attempt at getting there with him. They could have won the double last season in another time. Their champions League success is what Guardiola has been unable to achieve despite having a supposed better squad of players. I am not taking anything from Mancity, they are scary good but despite the fact that Arsenal fans hate to admit it, Liverpool are one of the best football teams on the planet currently. Arguably, top 3. .... Yes, Liverpool will struggle without Salah and VVD but just like Auba, these players hardly get injured. Some teams just have good luck like that. I still wish we had gotten klopp then when he was available but nothing man fit do now, we just to hope for the best with Emery. |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by solomonbrown64: 5:17pm On Aug 26, 2019 |
Jencejyde: ... I love this post. ....Yes, I said we pressed in some games last season although not for the entire duration of the match which I think is due to the players available. Wenger's system is completely different to that of Emery's and that's where the problems lies. Unfortunately we are not City, so we can't just get the players needed for the new coach demands but we are getting there. I watched Sanchez do that a lot and his fellow players would reluctantly follow his gesture only to stop later. When Lacazette came in against Liverpool, he came in and gestured for the guys to press the ball from high up the pitch. I would love to see this from Arsenal consistently but let's not kid ourselves, it will take time and if not properly implemented, could cause muscle injuries. .... Against Chelsea where we won 2-0 and against Tottenham too where we should have won, there was a glimpse of that pressing and organization we all want to see regularly. I will wait for our full backs to be back and our front three to click too and we also need constant mobility in that Midfield, something we saw against Burnley before drawing conclusions. Let's see what the coach will do between now and mid season bro. |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by solomonbrown64: 5:19pm On Aug 26, 2019 |
Fkhalifa: .... ... Noted. |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by BlueRayDick: 5:19pm On Aug 26, 2019 |
solomonbrown64: Oga there's nothing funny about my question. Loserpool with all Ur so called press lost the league to city despite despite playing the same 38 league matches everyone is expected to play before the league champion is decided. I just pointed it out to u that loserpool had almost an almost injury free season and didn't win the league. Now they didn't do much in the transfer window to get other players to cover for their staring 11 in case they have injury. At least we've seen how the absence of Allison Becker has ensured they've conceded in their first 3 opening matches. How they will cope when other key players get injured is what I'm talking about. At least city has Mahrez to play in place of Bernardo Silva, Fernadinho or Rodri playing in place of Gundogan, Stones in place of Laporte......etc. I'm telling u while u are fixated on how strong loserpool seems on paper based on their first team, City is prepared for rainy days; which is what eventually decides the champion. |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Fkhalifa(m): 5:24pm On Aug 26, 2019 |
Jencejyde:This guy sabi sha, I look forward to reading more from ya. At the bolded, Sanchez was the man, I think South Americans have got big engines, Chile was able to win the Copa back to back then with that style, no much big names,but super energetic. The only players close to his strength are Laca and Torreira, others are either too slow,lazy, old or moderately fit. |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by BlueRayDick: 5:32pm On Aug 26, 2019 |
sod09: I no dey quick vex.Na one problem I get. I can indulge the devil sef |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by solomonbrown64: 5:33pm On Aug 26, 2019 |
BlueRayDick: ..... Yes, it was a strange decision from Liverpool not to sign players this season and an injury could derail their season but let's see: they didn't sign midfielders because of Ox and Keita, both injury prone but most times, one of them is usually fit. In the attack, they don't have quality replacements for the likes of Mane and Salah and honestly it's hard to find players of similar quality who would want to sit on the bench for them as these players are rarely ever injured. Gomes too is decent cover for VVD. They look shaky at the back currently though and the sheer number of matches they have this season might be against them at the end but it's early days. Let's wait till mid season at least and then we can return to this discussion. On paper, City are champions already but it's not always like that in reality. Remember VAR too will come to play in vital matches and that could go a long way in deciding the eventual winner. Early days bro, early days. |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by BlueRayDick: 5:43pm On Aug 26, 2019 |
solomonbrown64: Issorait |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Spy360(m): 8:13pm On Aug 26, 2019 |
sod09:Obviously it wasn't OK, but it served the while. Though it allowed their fullbacks free way into our defence but it also exposed their CBs. They were forced to depend on crosses into our box. Even the goal they scored was from set piece, which is not a function of the formation. We also had clear chances to score, several times we caught them 2vs2 but failed to bury the opportunity. |
(1) (2) (3) ... (1549) (1550) (1551) (1552) (1553) (1554) (1555) ... (3570) (Reply)
Fc Barcelona Fan Thread: "més Que Un Club" / Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion / Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021
Viewing this topic: 2 guest(s)
(Go Up)
Sections: politics (1) business autos (1) jobs (1) career education (1) romance computers phones travel sports fashion health religion celebs tv-movies music-radio literature webmasters programming techmarket Links: (1) (2) (3) (4) (5) (6) (7) (8) (9) (10) Nairaland - Copyright © 2005 - 2024 Oluwaseun Osewa. All rights reserved. See How To Advertise. 135 |