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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Roland17(m): 3:30am On Aug 28, 2019
A40:
You can win an award and still not be the same player. Because I know you can't tell me with a straight face that Ronaldo of 96/98 is comparable to what we saw afterwards.

The individual awards Ronaldo won was all in one season. He had a great World Cup but if it were now we both know he might not have even won the Balon D'or

5 years at Real. 1 La Liga title, 1 Pichichi, and Intercontinental Cup. How is that one continuation of greatness?


Did you say 1 La Liga? Wrong! Ronald won 2 La Liga titles 02/03, 06/07. I expect you belittle that among the others I mentioned before this post. 05/06, he finished as the highest goal scorer in the South American qualification table and we all know how tough that zone is. I listed more at least 6 individual records/ titles Ronaldo won post-injury. I can imagine a world where every player made excuses for their injury. I have debunked all your questions but you keep shifting the goal post.

I am waiting for a response to these questions.

Roland17:


Bar the Serie A you said? How about individual records playing for Italy? You only want to mention goals abi? How about assist records between both players where Del Piero’s numbers dwarf Totti’s despite Del Piero having more appearances and minutes played? You want to avoid that one abi? How about Italian player of the year which Totti won 5 times in comparison to Del Piero’s 2. so what is Del Piero’s excuse this time?
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ibime(m): 3:33am On Aug 28, 2019
chic2pimp:


Alex certainly had a higher peak but I still contend His body of work is not enough to say He is handily the better player of the two. All your other points are simply "ifs" and "buts"


If Ronaldo career had finished in 1998, the level he reached from 1995-1998 would be enough to place him above Totti. Same goes for DelPiero.

Zidane in a way came from nowhere to win WPOTY thanks to World Cup because based on club season, it was a 2 horse race between DelPiero and Ronaldo. Totti has never reached that level. . . as below:


A40:

You can dispute the length of his peak but Totti never sniffed that 3 season peak.

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by A40(m): 3:40am On Aug 28, 2019
Roland17:


Bar the Serie A you said? How about individual records playing for Italy? You only want to mention goals abi? How about assist records between both players where Del Piero’s numbers dwarf Totti’s despite Del Piero having more appearances and minutes played? You want to avoid that one abi? How about Italian player of the year which Totti won 5 times in comparison to Del Piero’s 2. so what is Del Piero’s excuse this time?
Well since Del Piero is ahead on goals and Totti ahead on assists. Ojoro don cancel

Player of the Year is your normal polling booth award and you know how I feel about polling booth awards.

The koko is when they both faced the big boys of Europe

Del Piero 90 apps 42 goals, a CL title and a CL Golden Boot. Tell me what Totti achieved
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Roland17(m): 3:44am On Aug 28, 2019
A40:
Well since Del Piero is ahead on goals and Totti ahead on assists. Ojoro don cancel

Player of the Year is your normal polling booth award and you know how I feel about polling booth awards.

The koko is when they both faced the big boys of Europe

Del Piero 90 apps 42 goals, a CL title and a CL Golden Boot. Tell me what Totti achieved

OOOOOO LORD!!!!!!!!! Baba, I give up! As if using the injury excuses is not enough, you want to use your subjective interpretation of individual awards to discredit Totti's achievements? Kaii. I give up Baba!!! lol.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ibime(m): 3:53am On Aug 28, 2019
Roland17:


A lot of if's and but's. Totti suffered several injuries during his career, he even played world cup games injured and still performed. El Phenomenon suffered an injury that could have ended his career but guess what? He went ahead to become a bigger demon ost injury, racking up numerous individual and team achievements. Abeg make una no dey use another person weakness hold pesin down.

You might be of slightly younger generation Sir.

Nobody who saw Ronaldo pre-1998 would compare him to 2000s Ronaldo.

He was a shadow of himself by then.

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by A40(m): 3:54am On Aug 28, 2019
Roland17:


Did you say 1 La Liga? Wrong! Ronald won 2 La Liga titles 02/03, 06/07. I expect you belittle that among the others I mentioned before this post. 05/06, he finished as the highest goal scorer in the South American qualification table and we all know how tough that zone is. I listed more at least 6 individual records/ titles Ronaldo won post-injury. I can imagine a world where every player made excuses for their injury. I have debunked all your questions but you keep shifting the goal post.

I am waiting for a response to these questions.

Hahahaha are you La Liga BBVA that awarded Ronaldo title in 2007? He had left by January and I doubt he had more than 5 appearances. Ronaldo has just 1 La Liga to his name bruv

His individual records I have listed in a pinch. He won the World Cup and the Pichichi.

80% of Ronaldo's accolades came before his injury. I can't believe this is even an argument.

The real Ronaldo was 96-98 every Ronaldo afterwards was a watered down version. Similar to Del Piero who also still won a Golden Boot in Serie A, led the league in assists and helped Juventus to a CL Final.

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by A40(m): 3:56am On Aug 28, 2019
Ibime:


You might be of slightly younger generation Sir.

Nobody who saw Ronaldo pre-1998 would compare him to 2000s Ronaldo.

He was a shadow of himself by then.
I can't believe anyone who watched Ronaldo will even be making that argument.

Even with aid of Google you can see every thing post 99 dip nevermind if you actually saw him play
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by A40(m): 4:02am On Aug 28, 2019
Roland17:


OOOOOO LORD!!!!!!!!! Baba, I give up! As if using the injury excuses is not enough, you want to use your subjective interpretation of individual awards to discredit Totti's achievements? Kaii. I give up Baba!!! lol.
It's not a matter of giving up or not giving up. If Totti did not challenge himself to join a club where he can face the best of Europe every season then why should that be on Del Piero?

One player was facing the likes of Bayern, Madrid, Monaco, Man United, Barcelona, Ajax in their prime and netting them.

We should now stick to the one shining against Palermo, Reggiana and Livorno on a weekly basis but did zilch in Europe

We should then go to Azzuri where Totti's best was in a World Cup where they faced

USA
Ghana
Czech Republic
Australia
Ukraine

And those were the teams Totti went to pad his stats against. How??

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Roland17(m): 4:07am On Aug 28, 2019
Ibime:


You might be of slightly younger generation Sir.

Nobody who saw Ronaldo pre-1998 would compare him to 2000s Ronaldo.

He was a shadow of himself by then.

Sir, don't make hasty conclusions because while I may be younger than you, I saw pre-injury Ronaldo very much and while my first world cup was USA 94, I followed and caught up with pre 94 football games and this includes Italia 90, Mexico 86 and Espana 82, UCL champions league games and club football before. Shout out to "Best of Football Show" which I never missed on Sundays. Thing is if everybody is allowed to make excuses whether injuries, weather, food, league, language, coaching, competition or whatever you can come up with there will be no great player.

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by donjazet(m): 4:10am On Aug 28, 2019
Jesus!!! Una no sleep at all because of argument. shocked shocked shocked

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Roland17(m): 4:17am On Aug 28, 2019
I am going to end my own argument by stating that the 98/99 cruciate ligament rupture that is being used to make excuses for Del Piero is the same cruciate ligament injury Totti suffered in 07/08. Guess what? They suffered the injury on the same knee, with Totti's even more severe but somehow Totti rehabbed better and spent 112 days while Del Piero spent 234 days. So what is the excuse now?

Speaking about injuries, Del Piero spent 316 days injured in comparison to Totti who spent 583 injured and out of the game. Totti suffered more injuries on different parts of his body in comparison to Del Piero whose injury history is limited.

https://www.transfermarkt.us/francesco-totti/verletzungen/spieler/5958
https://www.transfermarkt.us/alessandro-del-piero/verletzungen/spieler/4289

I can not continue to argue based on subjective points only when they favor Del Piero.

Great debate @A40, you always have my respect baba.

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ibime(m): 4:23am On Aug 28, 2019
Roland17:


Sir, don't make hasty conclusions because while I may be younger than you, I saw pre-injury Ronaldo very much and while my first world cup was USA 94, I followed and caught up with pre 94 football games and this including Italia 90, Mexico 86 and Espana 82, UCL champions league games and club football before. Shout out to "Best of Football Show" which I never missed on Sundays.

Did you watch Serie A on weekly basis in from 1996 to 1998? There is catching up, and there is living it live.

My guy, DelPiero and Ronaldo were like Messi and Ororo of those days. Everything Ronaldo does, DelPiero would answer him. Who can forget the title decider when Collina declined to give Ronaldo a penalty for a foul, only for DelPiero to break and score the winning goal that took the title away from Inter.

There is what you watch live and what you catch up historically. They resonate differently. This is why I told chic2pimp he was still in primary school during DelPieros heyday. Real life experience will give you a different feel from hindsight review. DelPiero at peak vs Totti at peak is not comparable.

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by sod09(m): 6:58am On Aug 28, 2019
Ibime:


Did you watch Serie A on weekly basis in from 1996 to 1998? There is catching up, and there is living it live.

My guy, DelPiero and Ronaldo were like Messi and Ororo of those days. Everything Ronaldo does, DelPiero would answer him. Who can forget the title decider when Collina declined to give Ronaldo a penalty for a foul, only for DelPiero to break and score the winning goal that took the title away from Inter.

There is what you watch live and what you catch up historically. They resonate differently. This is why I told chic2pimp he was still in primary school during DelPieros heyday. Real life experience will give you a different feel from hindsight review. DelPiero at peak vs Totti at peak is not comparable.
Chic2pimp was still wearing pampers and reading A for apple, B for ball..... grin grin
I didn't even bother to interfere in the argument cos I started watching football in 96(Atlanta)
Thanks to YouTube, Google and pes2002 I was able to know montella,devacchio,panucchi,Ortega et al
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Kimbeast: 7:06am On Aug 28, 2019
A40:
Well since Del Piero is ahead on goals and Totti ahead on assists. Ojoro don cancel

Player of the Year is your normal polling booth award and you know how I feel about polling booth awards.

The koko is when they both faced the big boys of Europe

Del Piero 90 apps 42 goals, a CL title and a CL Golden Boot. Tell me what Totti achieved
Totti’s career can be split into two parts, before ankle injury (1993-2005) and after injury (2006-2017). He clearly was never the same player after, he changed from a world class 10 into a good forward.

Totti From 2000-2004 was as good as any other player on the planet. Madrid went for him twice but he refused. Del Piero at his best was nearly as good as Ronaldo. Totti was right up there with Zidane and Dinho during those period. Del Piero was simply not as gifted, nor was his peak anywhere near as long, as Totti's.
He was a star man in vastly superior sides though. Totti carried Roma to a league title in 2001, and came within only 1 point of Juventus in 2002. Then he carried a relatively poor Roma side to another title challenge in 2004. This was around the time when Serie A was arguably the best league in the world.

The one big criticism of Totti was his inconsistent international career even at that he is still a superior player to Del piero who was lucky to have played in a world class team

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Kimbeast: 7:10am On Aug 28, 2019
A40:
His goals and all-round performances against elite Europe opposition does not agree with this claim.

No credible source has found or indicted Del Piero for any type of dope use so it's better you return that claim to where you found it because it's completely disrespectful to allege a man cheated without verifiable evidence. I'm sure if you were an athlete you will not take kindly to such claims
Then explain how he went from a young baggio heir to Prime Rooney in just one summer?
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by SkimpleD: 7:25am On Aug 28, 2019
FBS:

my man Skimple. Always in the spirit. How business these days? grin
Balogun, greetings o. cheesy

‘Business’ dey go well baba, na just consistent tithes we no dey see na why I wan come Jand come meet you. How you see am? grin

Add elrony for the travel plans boss make person no pray bad prayer for me grin

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by SkimpleD: 7:27am On Aug 28, 2019
donjazet:
Jesus!!! Una no sleep at all because of argument. shocked shocked shocked
Only Dayo can do this. We underestimate that egbon too much cheesy
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by sod09(m): 7:50am On Aug 28, 2019
SkimpleD:

Only Dayo can do this. We underestimate that egbon too much cheesy
he no even join in the argument grin
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by seankafor(m): 9:10am On Aug 28, 2019
Oldies everywhere embarassed

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Amoto94(m): 9:35am On Aug 28, 2019
When elders are having a discussion you just sit and watch. My contribution is the little I watch of Totti he's better than Del Piero his records in Serie A speaks for him.

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ibime(m): 9:38am On Aug 28, 2019
Kimbeast:

Totti From 2000-2004 was as good as any other player on the planet. Madrid went for him twice but he refused. Del Piero at his best was nearly as good as Ronaldo. Totti was right up there with Zidane and Dinho during those period. Del Piero was simply not as gifted

Then he carried a relatively poor Roma side to another title challenge in 2004. This was around the time when Serie A was arguably the best league in the world.

What is this one saying? Ronaldo 1990s form was above any height Zidane and Ronaldinho reached. Good grief.

BTW, Totti never competed on Ronaldinho level. When Totti was in his prime, he was never in contention on World level. Ronaldinho and co saw competition in Sheva, Lampard, Gerrard,.Kaka et al who ran the 2000s, not no Totti. God forbid, I would be the no10 in a World Cup winning side and they totally overlook me and crown a bloody centre back like Cannavaro with no mention of my name.

Totti was a local champion during the decline of Serie.A. The height of SerieA was late 80s to late 90s. Serie A were whipping boys in 2000s with the exception of Milan.

We can smell your inexperience,.and know that you missed the 1990s from this post. Being close to Ronaldo in the late 90s is the closest thing to God level.

This is not dem say, dem say. DelPiero played with Zidane throughout late 90s and Zidane was 2nd fiddle to DelPiero throughout.


Young niggas/ God keep me from.these young niggas/
Not the smart ones Lord, just the. . . .



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxAuo8XAXCk

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Melvyn11: 9:57am On Aug 28, 2019
The rate at which people over elevate De Lima Ronaldo is laughable.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by chic2pimp(m): 10:26am On Aug 28, 2019
sod09:

Chic2pimp was still wearing pampers and reading A for apple, B for ball..... grin grin
I didn't even bother to interfere in the argument cos I started watching football in 96(Atlanta)
Thanks to YouTube, Google and pes2002 I was able to know montella,devacchio,panucchi,Ortega et al

Will you sharrrapppppp! angry angry angry grin
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by elrony(m): 10:35am On Aug 28, 2019
SkimpleD:

Balogun, greetings o. cheesy

‘Business’ dey go well baba, na just consistent tithes we no dey see na why I wan come Jand come meet you. How you see am? grin

Add elrony for the travel plans boss make person no pray bad prayer for me grin

Jah Abiba!!!

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by elrony(m): 10:37am On Aug 28, 2019
Ibime:


What is this one saying? Ronaldo 1990s form was above any height Zidane and Ronaldinho reached. Good grief.

BTW, Totti never competed on Ronaldinho level. When Totti was in his prime, he was never in contention on World level. Ronaldinho and co saw competition in Sheva, Lampard, Gerrard,.Kaka et al who ran the 2000s, not no Totti. God forbid, I would be the no10 in a World Cup winning side and they totally overlook me and crown a bloody centre back like Cannavaro with no mention of my name.

Totti was a local champion during the decline of Serie.A. The height of SerieA was late 80s to late 90s. Serie A were whipping boys in 2000s with the exception of Milan.

We can smell your inexperience,.and know that you missed the 1990s from this post. Being close to Ronaldo in the late 90s is the closest thing to God level.

This is not dem say, dem say. DelPiero played with Zidane throughout late 90s and Zidane was 2nd fiddle to DelPiero throughout.


Young niggas/ God keep me from.these young niggas/
Not the smart ones Lord, just the. . . .



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxAuo8XAXCk



Alaga Ibime za fireman!!! cheesy grin grin grin
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by spillo1: 10:37am On Aug 28, 2019
Melvyn11:
The rate at which people over elevate De Lima Ronaldo is laughable.
De Lima is the real Ronaldo. Any other Ronaldo na counterfeit.

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by elrony(m): 10:38am On Aug 28, 2019
Amoto94:
When elders are having a discussion you just sit and watch. My contribution is the little I watch of Totti he's better than Del Piero his records in Serie A speaks for him.

Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Melvyn11: 10:45am On Aug 28, 2019
spillo1:

De Lima is the real Ronaldo. Any other Ronaldo na counterfeit.
Don't be naive. Ororo has had a better career and is arguably the better player between them.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by afrodoc(m): 10:47am On Aug 28, 2019
De Lima Ronaldo is the greatest pure no9 in modern football, and it is not even close at all.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FFCqP8nTTw

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by A40(m): 10:56am On Aug 28, 2019
Kimbeast:

Then explain how he went from a young baggio heir to Prime Rooney in just one summer?
I'm sure it's dope that aids your ability to deliver dead balls and dribble as well. I don't know where you got this from but by arguing with you about it I'm already doing Del P a disservice. So I will stop
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Melvyn11: 11:04am On Aug 28, 2019
Cristiano wins at everything. Ronaldo is looked back on with a lot of nostalgia, romanticism and "what could have been", plus football fans tend to be overly fond of players who are incredibly gifted with the ball at their feet because they're fun to watch, but in terms of having a positive impact on games peak Cristiano was the better player.


He has also had a career that's twice as impressive as Delima Ronaldo, if not more.

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by elrony(m): 11:05am On Aug 28, 2019
Melvyn11:

Don't be naive. Ororo has had a better career and is arguably the better player between them.

Better career; yes.

Better player?...De Lima is the Greatest Of All Time, see that haircut ffs angry angry!!!

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