BlueRayDick:


How u take dey sure all these sure u dey sure

This is not a rocket science, Pep with his good team and form has been eliminated 2ce by English opponents,do you think he would like to face one again?

Napoli who gave juve a fight for the league and were unbeaten on thier ground last season were flogged home and away by the gunners, and don't forget they beat liverpool and nearly dumped theml out of group stage..

Valencia I remembered beat Madrid in the league and defeated barca to win cops del rey, were flogged home and away by unai Emery's average side..

Many wrote Chelsea off in the final believing they ain't as tough as the teams we've faced, but I was nervous because an all English final in Europe will be 50 - 50 and never going to be easy.

BlueRayDick:


Are u for real?

Wait why do u think we struggled against Bournemouth?

Indulge me please.

You heard him because they are English club.
Alomo has said it these people will reduce IQ with stupid analysis. Liverpool is having a tough time in UCL this season yet they have won all matches in EPL.
But our keyboard pundits think we must struggle in EPL

solomonbrown64:


...... One comes in here and see men ranting like kids and attacking people based on their own opinions thinking they are witty.

... Every coach has his own style or how he wants to play. Wenger played through the midfield and didn't like direct wingers; Ferguson attacked majorly through the wings and Mr. Emery uses the wings predominantly especially his fullbacks but unfortunately both have been unavailable but soon after the international break over. But despite having his main attackers out (his fullbacks) , we are third on table with 15 points from eight games and still people are wailing like we are last on the table.

..... This is the same Arsenal team that will play beautiful football years ago and still lose matches like this, today we are grinding out results yet they are still complaining, same fans that were screaming Wenger out only before. I mean how irrational can some persons be?

.... No team in the EPL today will lie down for any other team. This is not Europa League. Teams in the EPL now spend money that other teams in other leagues can only dream of. TV rights money has enabled most teams in the EPL to go for most players they want. The days teams cower when they see the big four are gone. We are not entitled to any winning; Arsenal must fight for its own win, which they have been doing as well as other top teams too.

... Football is not 1 + 1 .... this team beat our next opponent today, therefore we should demolish our next opponent based on their previous performance Such thinking in today's game especially in the EPL? It's like some people just started watching football or are just watching our matches waiting for mistakes to suit their agenda. But I guess it's my fault for expecting rational people here, thread is now filled with people who see the game like beginners to football. Other football threads have all kinds of people with different opinions and views all right but here it's predominantly the negative. God help the few rational ones here if the thread can be this negative eight games into the season.

..... Fkhalifa ..... don't feel threatened, continue with your view, everyone is entitled to theirs jare. What they do with theirs is their own business.

This your post is everything, I don't have energy to school these lads like you put up here..

I take solace from the fact that the neutrals and guests who come here to read can see and diffrentiate from Sense and Trash.

Spy360:

Bros some people don't have practical sense. With faulty education everything becomes theoretical.

Personally I'd rather face a non English side in a European final. For some others it may be different.

We trashed Frankfurt 0-3 away with kids, but struggle to beat Bournemouth at home. It's common sense really to know that familiarity makes things more difficult. But then common sense is not really common.

This was what I meant until they twist it " I'm Mediocre fan who fears facing utd and wolves"
Normal human will understand this simple stuff but Alomo and cokaine headed people won't still get it.

There's a reason Pepe is struggling here, why do you think Gnabry,Adelaide,Dembele,Sancho,Di maria,Memphis depay,Blind, Vela,Coquelin,De lighte et Al....are rocking their various league, I bet they will struggle and their weakness will be exposed..

English teams are phyical, combative,close you down and gives you no respect .but they will twist it to what suits their agenda.

Fkhalifa:

This is not a rocket science, Pep with his good team and form has been eliminated 2ce by English opponents,do you think he would like to face one again?

Napoli who gave juve a fight for the league and were unbeaten on thier ground last season were flogged home and away by the gunners, and don't forget they beat liverpool and nearly dumped theml out of group stage..

Valencia I remembered beat Madrid in the league and defeated barca to win cops del rey, were flogged home and away by unai Emery's average side..

Many wrote Chelsea off in the final believing they ain't as tough as the teams we've faced, but I was nervous because an all English final in Europe will be 50 - 50 and never going to be easy.

How u narrow Chelsea's winning the Europa league to being cos they are English and played against an English opponent in Arsenal I may never know.

For all we care, Arsenal was shiit towards the end of last season. It had nothing to do whether their opponent was English or German. We saw an arsenal that was on the decline towards the end of last season. We were conceding against just anybody. Our defence was shitty! The only sparkle in our game was our attack. Any decent team would've destroyed us in that final. It definitely had nothing to do with the country of origin I'd the team.

We've wọn Chelsea in finals before. At least the last FA cup we was against them. With per mastersacker in the heart of defence, we won them man for man. Now that match is one of the matches Emery and his sympathizers need to rewatch and understand what being tactical means.

Then we have the sarri factor. Sarri has never won a cup in his coaching career and he went all out to rewrite his story. If Sarri was coaching any other team, we could've lost to that team as well.

Then u mentioned pep. Like seriously? Pep played 4 different competitions to the last day! He won 3 out of those. You think his team won't get weary? Na machine dem be? Set him up against an English team in the group stages or second round of the champions league and see if he won't decimate them.

See it doesn't even make sense if Emery has played sarri twice in the league and couldn't master his game plan and lose against him in Europa final.only to come and say if Emery had gotten Frankfurt he's not played before he will win beacuse Frankfurt plays in Germany.

solomonbrown64:


...... One comes in here and see men ranting like kids and attacking people based on their own opinions thinking they are witty.

... Every coach has his own style or how he wants to play. Wenger played through the midfield and didn't like direct wingers; Ferguson attacked majorly through the wings and Mr. Emery uses the wings predominantly especially his fullbacks but unfortunately both have been unavailable but soon after the international break over. But despite having his main attackers out (his fullbacks) , we are third on table with 15 points from eight games and still people are wailing like we are last on the table.

..... This is the same Arsenal team that will play beautiful football years ago and still lose matches like this, today we are grinding out results yet they are still complaining, same fans that were screaming Wenger out only before. I mean how irrational can some persons be?

.... No team in the EPL today will lie down for any other team. This is not Europa League. Teams in the EPL now spend money that other teams in other leagues can only dream of. TV rights money has enabled most teams in the EPL to go for most players they want. The days teams cower when they see the big four are gone. We are not entitled to any winning; Arsenal must fight for its own win, which they have been doing as well as other top teams too.

... Football is not 1 + 1 .... this team beat our next opponent today, therefore we should demolish our next opponent based on their previous performance Such thinking in today's game especially in the EPL? It's like some people just started watching football or are just watching our matches waiting for mistakes to suit their agenda. But I guess it's my fault for expecting rational people here, thread is now filled with people who see the game like beginners to football. Other football threads have all kinds of people with different opinions and views all right but here it's predominantly the negative. God help the few rational ones here if the thread can be this negative eight games into the season.

..... Fkhalifa ..... don't feel threatened, continue with your view, everyone is entitled to theirs jare. What they do with theirs is their own business.

Nobody is saying we should be handing out 6-0, 8-0, 13-1 results every game day to opponents. What I personally detest is the fact that we've seen games where going into the game we have the materials( players) that could win the game hands down, but 30 minutes to the kickoff when the team list is released u start thinking what Emery is smoking. We've seen this scenario playing out more than once this season.

I don't know why a coach will the materials to prosecute a game, but he will go for a cowardly set up team, only to concede and start putting in measures to mitigate a loss that should never have happened. Except some fans live in self denial, they will know Arsenal under Emery is not a step forward this far.

Arsenal should not be grinding out result against a newly promoted Aston Villa at home, even to the extent of getting red carded. If grind out result against Losperpool, Tottenham away; nobody will complain.

BlueRayDick:


Nobody is saying we should be handing out 6-0, 8-0, 13-1 results every game day to opponents. What I personally detest is the fact that we've seen games where going into the game we have the materials( players) that could win the game hands down, but 30 minutes to the kickoff when the team list is released u start thinking what Emery is smoking. We've seen this scenario playing out more than once this season.

I don't know why a coach will the materials to prosecute a game, but he will go for a cowardly set up team, only to concede and start putting in measures to mitigate a loss that should never have happened. Except some fans live in self denial, they will know Arsenal under Emery is not a step forward this far.

Arsenal should not be grinding out result against a newly promoted Aston Villa at home, even to the extent of getting red carded. If grind out result against Losperpool, Tottenham away; nobody will complain.

The man packed bus yesterday at home against Bournemouth by bring in torreira
3 fvcking DMs my God

BlueRayDick:


How u narrow Chelsea's winning the Europa league to being cos they are English and played against an English opponent in Arsenal I may never know.

For all we care, Arsenal was shiit towards the end of last season. It had nothing to do whether their opponent was English or German. We saw an arsenal that was on the decline towards the end of last season. We were conceding against just anybody. Our defence was shitty! The only sparkle in our game was our attack. Any decent team would've destroyed us in that final. It definitely had nothing to do with the country of origin I'd the team.

We've wọn Chelsea in finals before. At least the last FA cup we was against them. With per mastersacker in the heart of defence, we won them man for man. Now that match is one of the matches Emery and his sympathizers need to rewatch and understand what being tactical means.

Then we have the sarri factor. Sarri has never won a cup in his coaching career and he went all out to rewrite his story. If Sarri was coaching any other team, we could've lost to that team as well.

Then u mentioned pep. Like seriously? Pep played 4 different competitions to the last day! He won 3 out of those. You think his team won't get weary? Na machine dem be? Set him up against an English team in the group stages or second round of the champions league and see if he won't decimate them.

See it doesn't even make sense if Emery has played sarri twice in the league and couldn't master his game plan and lose against him in Europa final.only to come and say if Emery had gotten Frankfurt he's not played before he will win beacuse Frankfurt plays in Germany.

First paragraph
I already explained that in my prev post.

2nd..
Arsenal was bad in the league but very good in Europe, Napoli and Valencia are more decent teams than Chelsea and we took them off with ease, it's a final and both teams will be up for it, Emery fielded the best first 11at the time, do not forget he missed his top players in Bellerin,Holding, Mhicky,Welbeck,Suarez and Ramsey..it's better you come to agree last season was about English teams in Europe..

3rd ..

Like I've said its a final, Chelsea were superb that year and no one gave us chance that day and we won, even Xhaka,El neny and Giroud looked a different animal.. Finals can go anyway, Chelsea lost 6-0 at city and held them 0-0 the following week in the carabao final..

That Sarri talk is funny, was Sarri managing any top team in Europe before Chelsea?, Sarri will win all trophies in Italy this year, Di Matteo has never managed ant top side before, pochetino has never been to UCL Semis before against a specialist pep,Emery has never lost Europa final before

Pep has the best and biggest squad and he had easy ride in those cup games, BTW, PEP's main target is UCL and he failed, the English sides he's faced eliminated him, so you're sure he wants another?

Its my opinion, Arsenal stand a better chance of winning Frankfurt than Chelsea, there was a season we won AC Milan in a dramatic game at the then toughest ground San siro, then lose 4-1 at Anfield, its a known fact, teams from same league do not like facing each orther in Europe

BlueRayDick:


Nobody is saying we should be handing out 6-0, 8-0, 13-1 results every game day to opponents. What I personally detest is the fact that we've seen games where going into the game we have the materials( players) that could win the game hands down, but 30 minutes to the kickoff when the team list is released u start thinking what Emery is smoking. We've seen this scenario playing out more than once this season.

I don't know why a coach will the materials to prosecute a game, but he will go for a cowardly set up team, only to concede and start putting in measures to mitigate a loss that should never have happened. Except some fans live in self denial, they will know Arsenal under Emery is not a step forward this far.

Arsenal should not be grinding out result against a newly promoted Aston Villa at home, even to the extent of getting red carded. If grind out result against Losperpool, Tottenham away; nobody will complain.

I want to ask,The set up of Aubameyang,Pepe,Saka and Cebbalos upfront cowardice?

And do you think its only Arsenal that grinds out result against teams outside top6?

BlueRayDick:


Are u for real?

Wait why do u think we struggled against Bournemouth?

Indulge me please.

Please I will like you to focus on the point of argument.
It's a comparison between Frankfurt and B'Mouth which was more difficult to beat. The fact that BM is PL compounds everything.

Fkhalifa made a valid point when he said Spurs knocked out Man City from CL.
City would have probably preferred a non PL side. It's that simple.

BlueRayDick:


Nobody is saying we should be handing out 6-0, 8-0, 13-1 results every game day to opponents. What I personally detest is the fact that we've seen games where going into the game we have the materials( players) that could win the game hands down, but 30 minutes to the kickoff when the team list is released u start thinking what Emery is smoking. We've seen this scenario playing out more than once this season.

I don't know why a coach will the materials to prosecute a game, but he will go for a cowardly set up team, only to concede and start putting in measures to mitigate a loss that should never have happened. Except some fans live in self denial, they will know Arsenal under Emery is not a step forward this far.

Arsenal should not be grinding out result against a newly promoted Aston Villa at home, even to the extent of getting red carded. If grind out result against Losperpool, Tottenham away; nobody will complain.

..... How is a player getting red carded the fault of the coach?? Is that the first time it is happening to the very player in question which is Niles. Yet we came back up to win yet the coach is queried. Jesus!!

.... Yes, I know his line ups make people scratch their heads even mine too but this man sees things we don't see in training. He has all the tools to select the lineup he wants and I think we should rather just support a man who is paid to put out line ups to play what he wants on the pitch rather than just put out formation here based on what we assume or what we have seen before.

.... Most people here just believe we can roll over teams in the EPL when even the likes of Mancity and Liverpool, both champions in their own right do not find it easy to do so. That's the delusion a few of fans are not happy about.

.... I didn't like Emery's appointment but I have got respect for the man because he has achieved a lot in his years of coaching. I will wait for him to get his defense sorted out before judging him because I don't think he likes what he is putting out but in my own opinion he is trying to stop us from conceding goals and in my opinion it is actually working. Majority of our goals conceded this season have come from errors made by our own players rather than the opponent's ability to score. Cut out those errors and we will have a stable defense which will give the our offense confidence to attack.

.... Bro, it's just eight games.... just be calm abeg. Remember you said few weeks ago that Liverpool aren't no special team and that Mancity was the real deal well the table says otherwise now. That's football for you. I want Champions league football so bad so does the club and at this time while waiting for some of the first team players to be back, I will gladly take the points over beautiful football. We play beautiful football during Continental matches so it's not that it can't be done by Emery but he has his reasons so I will just have to go with him as he is the expert here.

.... You want beautiful football, I want results and points while developing our youngsters while at it. Let's agree to disagree.

Spy360:

Please I will like you to focus on the point of argument.
It's a comparison between Frankfurt and B'Mouth which was more difficult to beat. The fact that BM is PL compounds everything.

Fkhalifa made a valid point when he said Spurs knocked out Man City from CL.
City would have probably preferred a non PL side. It's that simple.

For all of the money that Guardiola has spent since 2016, he hasn’t been able to take City beyond the quarter-finals of the Champions League.
He was hired by the club to turn the Citizens into behemoths of European football but so far, that target hasn’t been realised.

And one hurdle that City are going to have to overcome is their miserable record against English clubs in Europe.
Man City have played five matches against English clubs in Europe and have lost every single one.

European Cup Winners’ Cup semi-final - 1970-1971

First leg: Chelsea 1-0 Manchester City
Second leg: Manchester City 0-1 Chelsea
Champions League quarter-final | 2017-18

First leg: Liverpool 3-0 Manchester City
Second leg: Manchester City 1-2 Liverpool
First leg: Tottenham 1-0 Manchester City
Second leg: City 4- 3spurs..

The above was culled from givemesport.com

Tell me if pep will like to face any English side in Europe again.

Fkhalifa:

First paragraph
I already explained that in my prev post.

2nd..
Arsenal was bad in the league but very good in Europe, Napoli and Valencia are more decent teams than Chelsea and we took them off with ease, it's a final and both teams will be up for it, Emery fielded the best first 11at the time, do not forget he missed his top players in Bellerin,Holding, Mhicky,Welbeck,Suarez and Ramsey..it's better you come to agree last season was about English teams in Europe..

3rd ..

Like I've said its a final, Chelsea were superb that year and no one gave us chance that day and we won, even Xhaka,El neny and Giroud looked a different animal.. Finals can go anyway, Chelsea lost 6-0 at city and held them 0-0 the following week in the carabao final..

That Sarri talk is funny, was Sarri managing any top team in Europe before Chelsea?, Sarri will win all trophies in Italy this year, Di Matteo has never managed ant top side before, pochetino has never been to UCL Semis before against a specialist pep,Emery has never lost Europa final before

Pep has the best and biggest squad and he had easy ride in those cup games, BTW, PEP's main target is UCL and he failed, the English sides he's faced eliminated him, so you're sure he wants another?

Its my opinion, Arsenal stand a better chance of winning Frankfurt than Chelsea, there was a season we won AC Milan in a dramatic game at the then toughest ground San siro, then lose 4-1 at Anfield, its a known fact, teams from same league do not like facing each orther in Europe

U talk about winning against AC milan and losing to Losperpool. An AC Milan that was on a decline. It's just like last season Ajax facing Real Madrid.

U mentioned he missed key players. Abeg at what point were Micky, Suarez, Welbeck his best players . How many games did they play that he won?

We know his best players to be Laca and Auba and they were fit for the game.

See I don't have strength I wouldve Pointed out a whole lot of flaws in argument.

Arsenal lost to a better side in that final. We lost to Athletico the previous season on the road to final. I'm sure we didn't lose beacuse they are English, but because we were shitty. Same with this last final.


Anyways I'm happy the way u ended Ur post by stating it clear " It's my opinion"

Fkhalifa:

I want to ask,The set up of Aubameyang,Pepe,Saka and Cebbalos upfront cowardice?

And do you think its only Arsenal that grinds out result against teams outside top6?

Attack has never been the problem, midfield and partly defence has always been.

When Auba was busy scoring last season our porous midfield and unbalanced defence was putting it to waste, but some of u said Auba wasn't scoring 10 over 10

Fkhalifa:

I want to ask,The set up of Aubameyang,Pepe,Saka and Cebbalos upfront cowardice?

And do you think its only Arsenal that grinds out result against teams outside top6?

.... My brother... I really don't understand where this is coming from.

.... Emery has started youngsters against the big guns which to me is a man with balls but they call him a coward. I am bewildered honestly ..

..He rewards performance too which makes him a fair man and that's why the fringe players are Killing themselves on the pitch because they know if they perform, they will likely start or be on the bench in the EPL. That's a good Coach to me.

...Perhaps, he gives his opponents too much credit especially away but you have to know that our away form has been abysmal the last few seasons which is the sole reason why we have failed to qualify for the Champions league. We are outstanding at home even in this "cowardly" regime but our away form has to be fixed and if it means grinding out results to do so, I will gladly take it. Europa league don taya some of us abeg.

Spy360:

Please I will like you to focus on the point of argument.
It's a comparison between Frankfurt and B'Mouth which was more difficult to beat. The fact that BM is PL compounds everything.

Fkhalifa made a valid point when he said Spurs knocked out Man City from CL.
City would have probably preferred a non PL side. It's that simple.

Bournemouth has a terrible defence. They even conceded against spurs despite spurs being in Crisis and still having one man down.

Arsenal shouldn't score a goal against Bournemouth and remain complacent.

I already Pointe it out to him that city being dumped out by spurs is inevitable cos they playing 4 competitions unlike the other English teams remaining in the UCL as at that time.

Any other team could've won them if they were as disciplined as spurs were in that match and have someone like son coming to the party.

Make I finish this meeting first . I dey come reply to all the mentions.

solomonbrown64:


.... My brother... I really don't understand where this is coming from.

.... Emery has started youngsters against the big guns which to me is a man with balls but they call him a coward. I am bewildered honestly ..

..He rewards performance too which makes him a fair man and that's why the fringe players are Killing themselves on the pitch because they know if they perform, they will likely start or be on the bench in the EPL. That's a good Coach to me.

...Perhaps, he gives his opponents too much credit especially away but you have to know that our away form has been abysmal the last few seasons which is the sole reason why we have failed to qualify for the Champions league. We are outstanding at home even in this "cowardly" regime but our away form has to be fixed and if it means grinding out results to do so, I will gladly take it. Europa league don taya some of us abeg.

They think too far from reality, the era of top 4 bossing teams is gone, except you are city or Liverpool, even those teams ground results against teams outside top6( I'll go bring those games out)..

The reality is we are on par with Spurs,utd and Chelsea, maybe a little bit better, because we bought pepe they felt we are Barca or Bayern..

Chelsea won UCL and 2 Europas by playing drab football, nobody remembers that, they don't write it on history board, so so teams won by playing dirty, it hurts when Chelsea fans brag about European glory to my face.

Somone was saying trash that city even though they lost yesterday but should be commended they played very well, I laughed, let Pep fail to win the league and UCL this year, I bet you he'll step down himself before they issue him the letter..
The standard at city is Dominate England and give us European glory..

Madrid brought back Zidane because no matter how trash he looks in laliga, he always find a way of grinding result in Europe..

The banter era of good football in Wenger days has tired me, I've seen and enjoy a lot, but for now I want results, points,UCL football and trophies.

Fkhalifa:


They think too far from reality, the era of top 4 bossing teams is gone, except you are city or Liverpool, even those teams ground results against teams outside top6( I'll go bring those games out)..

The reality is we are on par with Spurs,utd and Chelsea, maybe a little bit better, because we bought pepe they felt we are Barca or Bayern..

Chelsea won UCL and 2 Europas by playing drab football, nobody remembers that, they don't write it on history board, so so teams won by playing dirty, it hurts when Chelsea fans brag about European glory to my face.

Somone was saying trash that city even though they lost yesterday but should be commended they played very well, I laughed, let Pep fail to win the league and UCL this year, I bet you he'll step down himself before they issue him the letter..
The standard at city is Dominate England and give us European glory..

Madrid brought back Zidane because no matter how trash he looks in laliga, he always find a way of grinding result in Europe..

The banter era of good football in Wenger days has tired me, I've seen and enjoy a lot, but for now I want results, points,UCL football and trophies.

.... Lol.... Even Pep is feeling the heat now. Aston Villa spent more than 120m last Summer to get players. Bournemouth spent a lot to get Solanke of all people. Don't care about the player but the money spent is what I am after here. Any EPL team can now go for the player they want because of the money in the League yet some people here think we are still in 2011 where Wenger got top four because he played beautiful football.

..... Some here are just plain delusional, others hate the coach for one reason or the other especially because he is not playing their favorite players but Arsenal didn't sign Emery for just breathtaking football, Wenger was giving us that steadily. He was signed for the Champions league and if he fails to get that, he will get the boot. Three damn years outside the champions league and counting. I don't care how we get it, but the koko is to get it. Results over beautiful football, whatever that means.

Well. Both sides made a lot of sense if we look deeply what each sides are saying.
In as much as we're grinding out results, the pattern of play, ceding possession to opponents and allowing that much shots at our goal area is not something that's to be seen at an aspiring top4 club. Yes it's grinding out results, but can we bet that it'll be sustainable in the long run. Also, the issues of coward midfield is what is paining most guys here. A coach will put 3dms, against Tottenham at home, and when we concede first, he removes one of d dms and put a ceballos(an AM), for us to start attacking again. Same against Man utd. Once we equalise, back to drab football (noticed it against man utd, Tottenham, didn't watch Aston villa game tho). I mean, C'mon, is he going for a draw? See the amount of shots he's allowing from midtable teams against us, and you feel if we play like that against a clinical team, we won't lose or draw? So I feel that's what most people are on about, the process, not about the result. Same happened in man utd vs Chelsea game, most people saw over the 4-0 man utd gave chelsea, some man utd fans saw the glaring flaw in their team and wasn't carried away by the results. Some Chelsea fans saw the process in play that day and wasn't carried away by the results either (that's how the "positive fc" came about), now we can see how both teams are panning out. So I feel that's how sod and others are feeling too, same with me too tho. Can this process of incessant shots against us and teams pressing us and auba feeding on scraps be sustainable in the long run? If it's is cup, yes, I might agree, but through a 38 game a season long? Hmm. The midfield is his undoing, tho I'll wait for Tierney and bellerin to come back, but if he doesn't sort that midfield, I'm afraid, there's nothing much our fullbacks can do(I hope I'm wrong tho).

Where I support fkhalifa is about meeting Chelsea in that final. I know I was against that "all England final" cos I prefer meeting Frankfurt to Chelsea. Arsenal have a tendency of beating all these average clubs not in England in any European competition, but you see all these top clubs in England? Man utd, Chelsea, Liverpool, if they see us in any European competition, they have a way of dealing with us, cos will I say, the players know how to get to us. A little ruffle here and a push there, and b4 you know it arsenal will start crumbling, but most of these average European clubs don't know it, that's why I can safely say we can beat them. There's a reason deeney says we lack cojones and most of these England top teams(esp Chelsea and man utd knows that), it's just that it was just deeney who pointed it out. I hope Emery will change that mindset from our players (you can imagine wen a captain says "we're scared against phucking Watford", after going 2goals up). Lol.

So all in all, I believe Emery is making us to see arsenal in different perspective, and with time, especially when our two fullbacks is back, then I can now really say Emery out. But we'll also all agree that he's greatest undoing is xhaka for torreira(thank goodness guen have improved greatly). I feel once xhaka is benched, 80% of our problem is solved

solomonbrown64:


..... How is a player getting red carded the fault of the coach?? Is that the first time it is happening to the very player in question which is Niles. Yet we came back up to win yet the coach is queried. Jesus!!

.... Yes, I know his line ups make people scratch their heads even mine too but this man sees things we don't see in training. He has all the tools to select the lineup he wants and I think we should rather just support a man who is paid to put out line ups to play what he wants on the pitch rather than just put out formation here based on what we assume or what we have seen before.

.... Most people here just believe we can roll over teams in the EPL when even the likes of Mancity and Liverpool, both champions in their own right do not find it easy to do so. That's the delusion a few of fans are not happy about.

.... I didn't like Emery's appointment but I have got respect for the man because he has achieved a lot in his years of coaching. I will wait for him to get his defense sorted out before judging him because I don't think he likes what he is putting out but in my own opinion he is trying to stop us from conceding goals and in my opinion it is actually working. Majority of our goals conceded this season have come from errors made by our own players rather than the opponent's ability to score. Cut out those errors and we will have a stable defense which will give the our offense confidence to attack.

.... Bro, it's just eight games.... just be calm abeg. Remember you said few weeks ago that Liverpool aren't no special team and that Mancity was the real deal well the table says otherwise now. That's football for you. I want Champions league football so bad so does the club and at this time while waiting for some of the first team players to be back, I will gladly take the points over beautiful football. We play beautiful football during Continental matches so it's not that it can't be done by Emery but he has his reasons so I will just have to go with him as he is the expert here.

.... You want beautiful football, I want results and points while developing our youngsters while at it. Let's agree to disagree.

There was nowhere I insinuated Niles being red carded was on emery. You are trying to quote me out of context.

Arsenal should not be grinding out result against a newly promoted Aston Villa at home, even to the extent of getting red carded.

The point up there is clear enough. Arsenal shouldn't be so poor to the extent of committing needless fouls and having a player sent off against Aston Villa. At least not when we have superior fire power. We all accept we are not always at our best defensively so it is only wise we go all in with our area of strength(attack): score goals early and not be recycling possession.

The so called "Grinding out result" that you so much celebrate Emery for is only due to his wrong team selection and conservative approach when he should be firing on all cylinders. I ask you, of what use is fielding Auba, Pepe and laca/Saka upfront when you will only play 3 DM's behind them ? Does it make any sense ? Even the shitty manure utd that knew how deadly our attackers can be still set up their team to attack us rather than wait cowardly for us to take the game to them.

You may keep coming up with excuses upon excuses as to why we have a team without pattern playing drab football, struggling against teams in the second part of the table and being forced to defend against watford that has never won this season, but the fact remains Emery is busy doing nothing to improve the lot of this team.

For 4ck sake ! Watford has only scored 4 goals this season and two of those were agsinst Arsenal. How do u people sleep with stats like this staring u in the face and u still say we are happy we grind out a point from this game .

Spy360:

You are welcome. May I introduce you to some of our members.

The intelligent ones - me , Roland17, Solomonbrown64.
The funny ones - Fkhalifa, Blueraydick,
The angry ones - Ipopalomo, swissh,
The silly ones - Kokaneprodigy, sod09

Welcome.

thank you man

BlueRayDick:


There was nowhere I insinuated Niles being red carded was on emery. You are trying to quote me out of context.

Arsenal should not be grinding out result against a newly promoted Aston Villa at home, even to the extent of getting red carded.

The point up there is clear enough. Arsenal shouldn't be so poor to the extent of committing needless fouls and having a player sent off against Aston Villa. At least when we have superior fire power. We all accept we are not always at our best defensively so it is only wise we go all in with our area of strength(attack): score goals early and not be recycling possession.

The so called "Grinding out result" that you so much celebrate Emery for is only due to his wrong team selection and conservative approach when he should be firing on all cylinders. I ask you, of what use is fielding Auba, Pepe and laca/Saka upfront when you will only play 3 DM's behind them ? Does it make any sense ? Even the shitty manure utd that knew how deadly our attackers can be still set up their team to attack us rather than wait cowardly for us to take the game to them.

You may keep coming up with excuses upon excuses as to why we have a team without pattern playing drab football, struggling against teams in the second part of the table and being forced to defend against watford that has never won this season, but the fact remains Emery is busy doing nothing to improve the lot of this team.

For 4ck sake ! Watford has only scored 4 goals this season and two of those were agsinst Arsenal. How do u people sleep with stats like this staring u in the face and u still say we are happy we grind out a point from this game .

My guy you sef Dan they vex oo
Awon grinding machine, we have to pack bus and grind out result.
Kokane now I know Emery style of play...recycle possession, pack the bus and grind out result then when he's lucky to be leading by 3 goal or more he instruct his players don't go forward

solomonbrown64:


.... Lol.... Even Pep is feeling the heat now. Aston Villa spent more than 120m last Summer to get players. Bournemouth spent a lot to get Solanke of all people. Don't care about the player but the money spent is what I am after here. Any EPL team can now go for the player they want because of the money in the League yet some people here think we are still in 2011 where Wenger got top four because he played beautiful football.

..... Some here are just plain delusional, others hate the coach for one reason or the other especially because he is not playing their favorite players but Arsenal didn't sign Emery for just breathtaking football, Wenger was giving us that steadily. He was signed for the Champions league and if he fails to get that, he will get the boot. Three damn years outside the champions league and counting. I don't care how we get it, but the koko is to get it. Results over beautiful football, whatever that means.

In 2015/2016 Leicester didn't play beautiful football, but they weren't struggling the way we are week-in week-out either. They played purposeful football not what we are doing under Emery. Leicester back then will not foolishly bench Mahrez and later bring him on and take away the positive of grinding out a point.

Leceister then was the definition of result over beautiful football, not what we are witnessing under Emery.

Some of us know when to applaud a hard fought draw that came against all odds, not clapping for a coach that set himself up for defeat only to be recused by a particular player's individual brilliance.

BlueRayDick:


There was nowhere I insinuated Niles being red carded was on emery. You are trying to quote me out of context.

Arsenal should not be grinding out result against a newly promoted Aston Villa at home, even to the extent of getting red carded.

The point up there is clear enough. Arsenal shouldn't be so poor to the extent of committing needless fouls and having a player sent off against Aston Villa. At least not when we have superior fire power. We all accept we are not always at our best defensively so it is only wise we go all in with our area of strength(attack): score goals early and not be recycling possession.

The so called "Grinding out result" that you so much celebrate Emery for is only due to his wrong team selection and conservative approach when he should be firing on all cylinders. I ask you, of what use is fielding Auba, Pepe and laca/Saka upfront when you will only play 3 DM's behind them ? Does it make any sense ? Even the shitty manure utd that knew how deadly our attackers can be still set up their team to attack us rather than wait cowardly for us to take the game to them.

You may keep coming up with excuses upon excuses as to why we have a team without pattern playing drab football, struggling against teams in the second part of the table and being forced to defend against watford that has never won this season, but the fact remains Emery is busy doing nothing to improve the lot of this team.

For 4ck sake ! Watford has only scored 4 goals this season and two of those were agsinst Arsenal. How do u people sleep with stats like this staring u in the face and u still say we are happy we grind out a point from this game .

You obviously don't know what the term ''grinding out result'' means. That's exactly the problem with this thread. Someone uses and expression, people won't first try to understand it but start spilling rubbish. Mtchew!

Some mumu even dey mention grinding machine.

BlueRayDick:


There was nowhere I insinuated Niles being red carded was on emery. You are trying to quote me out of context.

Arsenal should not be grinding out result against a newly promoted Aston Villa at home, even to the extent of getting red carded.

The point up there is clear enough. Arsenal shouldn't be so poor to the extent of committing needless fouls and having a player sent off against Aston Villa. At least not when we have superior fire power. We all accept we are not always at our best defensively so it is only wise we go all in with our area of strength(attack): score goals early and not be recycling possession.

The so called "Grinding out result" that you so much celebrate Emery for is only due to his wrong team selection and conservative approach when he should be firing on all cylinders. I ask you, of what use is fielding Auba, Pepe and laca/Saka upfront when you will only play 3 DM's behind them ? Does it make any sense ? Even the shitty manure utd that knew how deadly our attackers can be still set up their team to attack us rather than wait cowardly for us to take the game to them.

You may keep coming up with excuses upon excuses as to why we have a team without pattern playing drab football, struggling against teams in the second part of the table and being forced to defend against watford that has never won this season, but the fact remains Emery is busy doing nothing to improve the lot of this team.

For 4ck sake ! Watford has only scored 4 goals this season and two of those were agsinst Arsenal. How do u people sleep with stats like this staring u in the face and u still say we are happy we grind out a point from this game .

.... Niles point makes no sense whatsoever..... Chambers who has replaced him hasn't received a red card despite playing in the same setup Niles was playing in. That accusation is bereft of any logic abeg if you are putting it on the coach.

.... We are not playing 3dms, we have never played three dms this season, at least not on the pitch. Torreira has played high up the pitch, that's not a dm position to me. How you interpret formation is down to your own analysis, that's not the coach fault. Willock too isn't a dm neither is Xhaka or Guendouzi. Torreira is the only true dm in the team and he rarely plays that position anymore. What Emery has been playing for a while is a deep playing midfielder who is the mould of Xhaka and that's why he starts in the team because Torreira cannot do what he does there. Again, misinterpretation of Tactics and roles in the team which is your fault, not the coach.

..... In the EPL recently, it doesn't matter what a team did and didn't do in their previous matches what matters is the present. I have made my point clear, what matters for me this season is champions league qualification, how the coach does it is not my business. All I am after is the points and if we do that playing beautiful football, fine, if not fine too.

... It's easy to play the smaller teams before because the top teams had far better players than them but it's no longer the same and that's what a few of us are saying here. Now, they can get just the same caliber of players top teams get because the money is available. No entitlement anymore, you have to force your way to win now. Which is my point.

.... United attacked us because they know we have a makeshift defense, yet we were able to get a point there. Besides, how on Earth will we go attacking at Old Trafford with our defense That makes no sense. Every team who has won there this season did so depending deep and counter attacking them. None of them came out to play football.

....Emery can start "3dms" as you call them because he barely uses the Midfield to create chances. I have already explained that but I guess you don't even know how the coach of your team even plays. Anyway, you are entitled to your interpretation of the game and opinion and so am I. I just don't like it when people here attack others based on what they see. It's uncalled for.

..... Let it be known that I am not giving excuses for anyone, no one pays me to do that but I am stating what I see. Call it mediocrity that's your cup of tea. I am only being rational in my views.

Spy360:

You obviously don't know what the term ''grinding out result'' means. That's exactly the problem with this thread. Someone uses and expression, people won't first try to understand it but start spilling rubbish. Mtchew!

..... He just dey use grinding, grinding after we don explain taya say the man doesn't have his full backs yet and they are vital to his style of play. Make Dem continue to dey twist words, na their wahala be that.

Spy360:

You obviously don't know what the term ''grinding out result'' means. That's exactly the problem with this thread. Someone uses and expression, people won't first try to understand it but start spilling rubbish. Mtchew!

dumbass it's "an" not and
Professor!!!

solomonbrown64:


.... Niles point makes no sense whatsoever..... Chambers who has replaced him hasn't received a red card despite playing in the same setup Niles was playing in. That accusation is bereft of any logic abeg if you are putting it on the coach.

.... We are not playing 3dms, we have never played three dms this season, at least not on the pitch. Torreira has played high up the pitch, that's not a dm position to me. How you interpret formation is down to your own analysis, that's not the coach fault. Willock too isn't a dm neither is Xhaka or Guendouzi. Torreira is the only true dm in the team and he rarely plays that position anymore. What Emery has been playing for a while is a deep playing midfielder who is the mould of Xhaka and that's why he starts in the team because Torreira cannot do what he does there. Again, misinterpretation of Tactics and roles in the team which is your fault, not the coach.

..... In the EPL recently, it doesn't matter what a team did and didn't do in their previous matches what matters is the present. I have made my point clear, what matters for me this season is champions league qualification, how the coach does it is not my business. All I am after is the points and if we do that playing beautiful football, fine, if not fine too.

... It's easy to play the smaller teams before because the top teams had far better players than them but it's no longer the same and that's what a few of us are saying here. Now, they can get just the same caliber of players top teams get because the money is available. No entitlement anymore, you have to force your way to win now. Which is my point.

.... United attacked us because they know we have a makeshift defense, yet we were able to get a point there. Besides, how on Earth will we go attacking at Old Trafford with our defense That makes no sense. Every team who has won there this season did so depending deep and counter attacking them. None of them came out to play football.

....Emery can start "3dms" as you call them because he barely uses the Midfield to create chances. I have already explained that but I guess you don't even know how the coach of your team even plays. Anyway, you are entitled to your interpretation of the game and opinion and so am I. I just don't like it when people here attack others based on what they see. It's uncalled for.

..... Let it be known that I am not giving excuses for anyone, no one pays me to do that but I am stating what I see. Call it mediocrity that's your cup of tea. I am only being rational in my views.

I'm trying everything possible to avoid this discuss ends in a contest of who can insult the most.

When I said he uses 3DM's most people know what it means ; using 3 players whose natural positions is defense in the heart of the midfield, midfielders who are not playmakers. Even mourinho who is rated for his defensive approach to big games still find a way to accommodate an attacking midfielder/playmaker who would create chances for the team.

"How on earth will we go to old Trafford and attack? "

And yet u lot argue our team set up under Emery hasn't been cowardly. Even when u just made the cowardly statement up there? No wonder Xhaka the team captain was talking about being scared and all. Chai!

I don't have the strength to explain the niles statement anymore. If u still don't get it, forget it.

Spy360:

You obviously don't know what the term ''grinding out result'' means. That's exactly the problem with this thread. Someone uses and expression, people won't first try to understand it but start spilling rubbish. Mtchew!

I'm trying to be as civil as I can ever be, could u please explain what he meant by "grinding out result" and show me how I've shown my misunderstanding of the phrase.

BlueRayDick:


I'm trying everything possible to avoid this discuss ends in a contest of who can insult the most.

When I said he uses 3DM's most people know what it means ; using 3 players whose natural positions is defense in the heart of the midfield, midfielders who are not playmakers. Even mourinho who is rated for his defensive approach to big games still find a way to accommodate an attacking midfielder/playmaker who would create chances for the team.

"How on earth will we go to old Trafford and attack? "

And yet u lot argue our team set up under Emery hasn't been cowardly. Even when u just made the cowardly statement up there? No wonder Xhaka the team captain was talking about being scared and all. Chai!

I don't have the strength to explain the niles statement anymore. If u still don't get it, forget it.

..... And that's the problem with arguing with you bro. You tend to pick out things to suit your objectives. No be today I notice am.

.... I clearly said that we can't go attacking mode with the type of defense we have. You don turn am to something else.

.... Anyways, it is well. Make we drop this matter.