Mkenya2019:
Except the main thrust of our argument is that it's doesn't look ahead.. Accra failed the picture test...actually the COMMON SENSE test....Nigeria once claimed to have 500B dollar economy and we now know without any doubts that it world poverty capital.

The same way Kenya doesn't look like a $100bn economy. The slums,joblessness and starvation.

Mkenya2019:
Except the main thrust of our argument is that it's doesn't look ahead.. Accra failed the picture test...actually the COMMON SENSE test....Nigeria once claimed to have 500B dollar economy and we now know without any doubts that it world poverty capital.

so economics discussions are now reduced to pictures ?

what backwardness


Fact still remains that ordinary Ghanaians live in better houses
Have better health care
attend better schools.
have better access to services.

when we unload pics and videos
you wont survive


there is a reason why we consume 12M metric tonnes of cement and you consume 5M



this is all that matters

Why doesn't it reflect in GDP per capita? Your GDP per capita should be twice kenya. You should basically be a middle class country - where likes of Morocco, Tunisia, Egypt and South Africa are.

Look at China - they recently got to 50% urbanization.

I see you run into poverty - I wonder what the Nigerian will say .

At 50% urbanization - your poverty should be nearly history. I know when Kenya get to 50% urbanization we would have made poverty history.

When it come to poverty data - I have seen something like Ghana has poverty rate of 24% against kenya 36%(in 2015 - should be around 30%) now.

Just30:
the fruit of Ghana urbanization is the fact that
we've moved 60% 0f our poor people out of farming to feed themselves
into the service sector and farming on a large scale.

thereby making them middle class citizens


its not bad to dream.
By the time you reach 50% urbanization

there wont be any poor people in Ghana

Upload them,no one has stopped you!

Just30:
so economics discussions are now reduced to pictures ?

what backwardness


Fact still remains that ordinary Ghanaians live in better houses
Have better health care
attend better schools.
have better access to services.

when we unload pics and videos
you wont survive


there is a reason why we consume 12M metric tonnes of cement and you consume 5M



this is all that matters

I see you are back to opening many threads. You failed the common sense test of prosperity. It only exist in data. And you produced 5.2M metric tonnes of cement. You peak power demand is 2,500Mw with about half of that going to minning

Cooking data has not helped you wade off IMF from runnin your country for nearly all your years as "independent" country.

Just30:
so economics discussions are now reduced to pictures ?

what backwardness


Fact still remains that ordinary Ghanaians live in better houses
Have better health care
attend better schools.
have better access to services.

when we unload pics and videos
you wont survive


there is a reason why we consume 12M metric tonnes of cement and you consume 5M



this is all that matters

Mkenya2019:
Run away ? Again we are here to have conversation - not for you to bombard me with half-thought half-baked questions - when you have hardly done any research or understood the concepts.

Let me answer you the first one and ask you one question related to it. Then we move to the next one.

Quiz 1) Urbanization.

Kenya is EXACTLY where it's supposed to be urbanization wise. Urbanization is great - it should lead to greater economic development.Ghana & her big brother Nigeria claims to be 50% urbanized - which is all good except when I google ' GHANA GDP per Capita' and ' Kenya GDP per Capita' I don't see Ghana nearly twice urbanized population kicking the economic ars.e..

Ghana - 1,641.49 USD (2017)
Kenya - 1,507.81 USD (2017)

I think as of 2019 - Kenya is around 2,000 and Ghana is slightly ahead - maybe 2,200. Even if we look at PPP - not much difference.

Now the question for you. Why is that despite Nigeria & Ghana being so urbanized, poverty is that rampant? Where are the fruits of that urbanization? Why do you urban centers look really BAD?

I can tell you for free - when Kenya reaches 50% urbanization ( we are urbanizing at 4% annually) - somewhere after 2030 - we will look like South Africa or Namibia - proper middle class countries.

You and Sammy the dreamer (for Nigeria curious case) can answer us now...and we can move to the next question.

I stopped reading when I saw your lies pertaining your $2000 per capita

Aderr:
Thank you. Say no more since you already agree Ghana is ahead.

He is lying..Kenya's per capita is not even up to $1,700

Mkenya2019:
Why doesn't it reflect in GDP per capita? Your GDP per capita should be twice kenya. You should basically be a middle class country - where likes of Morocco, Tunisia, Egypt and South Africa are.

Look at China - they recently got to 50% urbanization.

I see you run into poverty - I wonder what the Nigerian will say .

At 50% urbanization - your poverty should be nearly history. I know when Kenya get to 50% urbanization we would have made poverty history.

When it come to poverty data - I have seen something like Ghana has poverty rate of 24% against kenya 36%(in 2015 - should be around 30%) now.

even with the US kind of urbanization

there are still 40 million poor americans

forget about eliminating poverty
its impossible.

But like US, you can make your citizens lives better even when they are poor.
provide good roads, schools, hospitals, job opportunities

a poor person in Ghana can do labour works and put up a three bedroom house for his family.
that is the Ghanaian dream.

whiles you are dreaming

2019, Ghana poverty figure is 20% which is 6 million people.

whiles that of Kenya has increased to 40%

Just30:
so economics discussions are now reduced to pictures ?

what backwardness


Fact still remains that ordinary Ghanaians live in better houses
Have better health care
attend better schools.
have better access to services.

when we unload pics and videos
you wont survive


there is a reason why we consume 12M metric tonnes of cement and you consume 5M



this is all that matters

Hundreds of thousands of Ghanaians in libya and many countries including kenya will beg to differ.

Jonraid:

chai

samorobo:


He is lying..Kenya's per capita is not even up to $1,700

100B divided by 47.5m.Explain to us why your 50% urban population..100m people are not generating GDP commensurate with urbanization elsewhere and why extreme poverty is at 50% plus

Troy404:
Hundreds of thousands of Ghanaians in libya and many countries including kenya will beg to differ.

100s of 1000s of Ghanaians are skilled workers in Libya
they worked in the oil industry, manufacturing, construction and service industries of that country.


the ordinary Kenyan has no skill and therefore a labourer on tea farms of Qatar and multinationals
so cant afford to even travel anywhere.

Troy404:
Hundreds of thousands of Ghanaians in libya and many countries including kenya will beg to differ.

there is nothing in Kenya for Ghanaians to do there

your ego will kill you.

Just30:
even with the US kind of urbanization

there are still 40 million poor americans

forget about eliminating poverty
its impossible.

But like US, you can make your citizens lives better even when they are poor.
provide good roads, schools, hospitals, job opportunities

a poor person in Ghana can do labour works and put up a three bedroom house for his family.
that is the Ghanaian dream.

whiles you are dreaming

2019, Ghana poverty figure is 20% which is 6 million people.

whiles that of Kenya has increased to 40%

There are many countries that have made extreme poverty history including many in Africa.Relative poverty cannot be eliminated.For example in many developed countries like US anyone earning less than 20k dollars a year is considered poor but definitely they have eliminated extreme poverty (1.9 dollars a day a person).Even a beggar in US can surely ace that.When did Kenya poverty increase when every data has been suggesting drastic drop of poverty.I think now should be well under 30% not far from cooked Ghana 20% despite urbinazation or shanization or whatever you call those mega slumpolis

Mkenya2019:
Keep doing that kind of monkey business and you'll never get out of poverty

hey do you know that the population of Nigeria's middle class is bigger than ur entire population?

But 40% of the Kumasi population lack access to toilets. What's the difference between Kumasi and a slum then?

Just30:
even with the US kind of urbanization

there are still 40 million poor americans

forget about eliminating poverty
its impossible.

But like US, you can make your citizens lives better even when they are poor.
provide good roads, schools, hospitals, job opportunities

a poor person in Ghana can do labour works and put up a three bedroom house for his family.
that is the Ghanaian dream.

whiles you are dreaming

2019, Ghana poverty figure is 20% which is 6 million people.

whiles that of Kenya has increased to 40%

A middle class that can't purchase luxury goods?

edon21:
hey do you know that the population of Nigeria's middle class is bigger than ur entire population?

Mkenya2019:
There are many countries that have made extreme poverty history including many in Africa.Relative poverty cannot be eliminated.For example in many developed countries like US anyone earning less than 20k dollars a year is considered poor but definitely they have eliminated extreme poverty (1.9 dollars a day a person).Even a beggar in US can surely ace that.When did Kenya poverty increase when every data has been suggesting drastic drop of poverty.I think now should be well under 30% not far from cooked Ghana 20% despite urbinazation or shanization or whatever you call those mega slumpolis

so when someone is doing better than you, the person has cooked data

funny logic to convince yourself that youre not doing so bad

Jonraid:
But 40% of the Kumasi population lack access to toilets. What's the difference between Kumasi and a slum then?

there is not even a single house in Kumasi without toilet

I was shocked of how little their tax man collects per annum,I'd expect a much richer population to contribute more! There is something funny about their huge exports that it seems they aren't benefitting much from it.


Imagine a country with a 14% tax to gdp ratio lecturing you in anything!

Mkenya2019:
I see you are back to opening many threads. You failed the common sense test of prosperity. It only exist in data. And you produced 5.2M metric tonnes of cement. You peak power demand is 2,500Mw with about half of that going to minning

Cooking data has not helped you wade off IMF from runnin your country for nearly all your years as "independent" country.

If the data is not cooked - shows us the pictures or images of that prosperity. Why again I ask is your GDP per capita equal to kenya. 70B/30B and 100B/48B despite a re-basing that most thought was curious and despite being 'alleged' 50% urbanized like middle class countries.

What are all those 15M Ghanians doing in urban centers where all your exports is minerals and cocoa beans?

Just30:


so when someone is doing better than you, the person has cooked data

funny logic to convince yourself that youre not doing so bad

Just30:


100s of 1000s of Ghanaians are skilled workers in Libya
they worked in the oil industry, manufacturing, construction and service industries of that country.


the ordinary Kenyan has no skill and therefore a labourer on tea farms of Qatar and multinationals
so cant afford to even travel anywhere.

So Ghanaians now have left refugee camps in libya and taken up the local jobs amazing.

So now they nolonger trek through Sahara desert but fly.

So Ghana is now an avation hub more than Kenya. Haha

Wake up from delusions.

Just30:


there is not even a single house in Kumasi without toilet

okay, good for you.

rvp20182:
If the data is not cooked - shows us the pictures or images of that prosperity. Why again I ask is your GDP per capita equal to kenya. 70B/30B and 100B/48B despite a re-basing that most thought was curious and despite being 'alleged' 50% urbanized like middle class countries.

What are all those 15M Ghanians doing in urban centers where all your exports is minerals and cocoa beans?

15M Ghanaians are either working in the service sector or running their own companies
or working in the manufacturing sector.
those 15M Ghanaians are driving a real estate boom.


what are the 35M kenyans doing in rural areas?

Troy404:


So Ghanaians now have left refugee camps in libya and taken up the local jobs amazing.

So now they nolonger trek through Sahara desert but fly.

So Ghana is now an avation hub more than Kenya. Haha

Wake up from delusions.

Ghanaians where never in refugees camps

they were either running those camps to prevent death in the Mediterranean

Mkenya2019:
I see you are back to opening many threads. You failed the common sense test of prosperity. It only exist in data. And you produced 5.2M metric tonnes of cement. You peak power demand is 2,500Mw with about half of that going to minning

Cooking data has not helped you wade off IMF from runnin your country for nearly all your years as "independent" country.

hahaha

even just GHACEM is producing 5 million metric tonnes

funny Kenyans

Which services sectors? Your hotel sector is nothing to write home about? Your banking and insurance sector the same? Your transport, retail & wholesaling nothing. Your real estate NOTHING.

Just informal sector where a typical Ghanaian in Accra or Kumasi opens a pop & mom shop, trade in banku (dog?),rodents & fish on the roadside, drives 30yr old taxi, open a roadside eatery. maybe a salon & hair dressing shop, car repair heck with spare parts shop owned by a Nigerian , the kind of mess that you see in slums...NOT MODERN URBAN CENTERS.

That is why 15 m urbanization has not produced any tangible economic benefits.

Kenya is still largely rural - and they are engaged in small holder farming - some of the best small holder farming in the world.

Just30:

15M Ghanaians are either working in the service sector or running their own companies
or working in the manufacturing sector.
those 15M Ghanaians are driving a real estate boom.


what are the 35M kenyans doing in rural areas?

Ghacem themselves last year sold 56M bags of cements. Do the maths - 56m*50kgs and come & lie to Nigerians.

Just30:
hahaha

even just GHACEM is producing 5 million metric tonnes

funny Kenyans

rvp20182:
Which services sectors? Your hotel sector is nothing to write home about? Your banking and insurance sector the same? Your transport, retail & wholesaling nothing. Your real estate NOTHING.

Just informal sector where a typical Ghanaian in Accra or Kumasi opens a pop & mom shop, trade in banku & rodents, sell fish on the roadside, drives 30yr old taxi, open a roadside eatery. maybe a salon & hair dressing shop.

That is why 15 m urbanization has not produced any tangible economic benefits.

Kenya is still largely rural - and they are engaged in small holder farming - some of the best small holder farming in the world.

my real estate sector beat yours
that has already been proven

my transport sector beat yours as well
It is runned by ordinary Ghanaians.

those business owners are the reason why the ordinary Ghanaian live a comfortable life
Owning a business is a great thing.


the 15 million Ghanaians have built an economy that is richer than Kenya.

Mkenya2019:
100B divided by 47.5m.Explain to us why your 50% urban population..100m people are not generating GDP commensurate with urbanization elsewhere and why extreme poverty is at 50% plus

Nonsense that is a prediction, and for the record it was predicted to be 99bn not 100bn...let's wait till the end of the year so you can divide your your fake 99bn with your 53m pop.

Jonraid:
A middle class that can't purchase luxury goods?

Says who