CAPTIVATOR:


When you as a Boss , write a letter through your secretary or servant, Who owns Letter ? you. The recipient would never attribute the letter to anyone else. Jesus is Gods servant . Isaiah 42:1 . so that's different, you can do something through your servant and claim all the honor, .


But here is a Case of ONLY the Father knows, Does that not rule any other person out ?

If you as a Boss have access to some confidential info, if you tell any other person, are you still the only one ? Common sense brother

CAPTIVATOR:


Abraham entertained THREE MEN and they all ate, according to scripture those entertained are ANGELS , Making the three men angels, Shadeyinka is Jesus now an angel ? Yeeba serious matter be this o yeye

CAPTIVATOR:


Dpnt confuse yourself . we have figurative death and real death often called physical death or Adamic death. Am speaking in context of Adamic Death, When a man becomes a non living .

With this definition, I ask: Did the Messiah soul dies as prophesied by Isaiah ?

CAPTIVATOR:


You didnt, I need a direct response : Is Jesus the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob ?



How many of the men ate ? You are in soup

shadeyinka:

I don't know what you mean by figurative death?

Death is a Disconnection or Separation. There are three kinds of death
1. Physical Death:
When the Soul/Spirit is Disconnected from the Body
2. Spiritual Death:
When a human Spirit is Disconnected from God
3. Second Death:
When a human body, soul and spirit is permanently/eternally disconnected from God.

As for Jesus on the Cross, His soul/spirit was disconnected from his body.

Isa 53:12:
"Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he has poured out his soul to death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bore the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors."

1Pet 3:19:
"By which also he went and preached to the spirits in prison;"

1Pet 4:6:
"For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit."

chrmn1:

I salute you sire. Very very well constructed.

shadeyinka:

I don't know what you mean by figurative death?

Death is a Disconnection or Separation. There are three kinds of death
1. Physical Death:
When the Soul/Spirit is Disconnected from the Body
2. Spiritual Death:
When a human Spirit is Disconnected from God
3. Second Death:
When a human body, soul and spirit is permanently/eternally disconnected from God.

As for Jesus on the Cross, His soul/spirit was disconnected from his body.

Isa 53:12:
"Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he has poured out his soul to death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bore the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors."

1Pet 3:19:
"By which also he went and preached to the spirits in prison;"

1Pet 4:6:
"For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit."

Janosky:

1Peter3:18-20
18For Christ also suffered for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body but made alive in the spirit, 19in which He also went and preached to the spirits in prison 20who disobeyed long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah, while the ark was being built. In the ark a few people, only eight souls, were saved through water"
Verse 18-20 goes together,except you're definitely deceiving yourself.
**Verse20: those "spirits in prison" (Greek Tartarus, not hellfire) are not humans ooo ! Those spirits are demons (rebellious angels) who left heaven on their own to marry daughters of men on earth in Genesis 6.:1-4.

***** 1 Peter 4:6 don't get it twisted,please.
Will the wicked live according to God in the spirit?
NEVER !!!!
Romans6:23, 2 thess1:7-9 the wages of sin is death/destruction.

Compare 2 Cor5:1-5 and 1 Peter 4:6. 1 Cor15:45,49,50, Peter and Paul are speaking of the heavenly life prospects for fellow apostles and disciples of Christ.
Abeg stop adding your maggi and crayfish into the SCRIPTURES.

CAPTIVATOR:
your problem is You jump too much



Lot called the two angels MY LORD as well, so its no big deal . like i said One angel was representing Yahweh.


Scripture said Abraham entertained ANGELS NOT YAHWEH ,

" Don’t forget to show hospitality to strangers, for some who have done this have entertained ANGELS without realizing it! " Hebrews 13:2

All the men entertained are ANGELS .


Is Jesus now an angel ? Mr Jesus appear

CAPTIVATOR:


You didnt, I need a direct response : Is Jesus the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob ?



How many of the men ate ? You are in soup

shadeyinka:

Jehovah the Word (who in creation said: "Let there be...and it was" , who appeared to Moses as Fire, who ate with two angels in the house of Abraham, who spoke the promise of Isaac to Abraham, who made everything (visible and invisible). This same Word, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob took up human flesh, born to a woman named Mary and called by the name Jesus Christ.

As per how many men are?!!!
Sometimes, I wonder what grade you are!?
What did the bible say?

Gen 18:5-8:
"And I will fetch a morsel of bread, and comfort you your hearts; after that you shall pass on: for therefore are you come to your servant. And they said, So do, as you have said. And Abraham hastened into the tent to Sarah, and said, Make ready quickly three measures of fine meal, knead it, and make cakes on the hearth. And Abraham ran to the herd, and fetched a calf tender and good, and gave it to a young man; and he hurried to dress it. And he took butter, and milk, and the calf which he had dressed, and set it before them ; and he stood by them under the tree, and they did eat."

What is the scripture according to CAPTIVATOR saying about they that ate?:

shadeyinka:

You are the one jumping about.
Simple compression of Gen18, you jumped to Heb13:2 which was talking about Christian hospitality (not related to Abraham or Lot)

Two angels went to Sodom (Lot) AND the LORD remained with Abraham! Why does satan blind you so much as to ignore the logos for your organisations interpretation?


Your ignorance of simple compression of the scriptures is appalling.

1. Please show a single scripture that says "Abraham entertained ANGELS and not God"
You even have the ordacity to use Heb13:2 as evidence. How blind can you be?

You even highlighted in RED the wrongest interpretation.

And he (Abraham) took butter, and milk, and the calf which he (Abraham) had dressed, and set it before them; and he (Abraham) stood by them under the tree, and they did eat.

Okay, let me help you out. Abraham stood with the Lord who was accompanied by two angels (and the three appeared as MEN)

Only you understand how you read the scriptures but see only the letters and interpretation of your organisation!

I have brought out the Interlinear Hebrew-English translation screenshot for you.

First Screenshot
Yahweh (the LORD) spoke to Abraham Gen18:1
Second Screenshot
Lot called the Two angels Adonai (Lord) Gen19:2

Can you see how mislead you've become!??

shadeyinka:

Please show me from the scripture.
We have the LORD and Two angels who appeared to Abraham as Men.

If this is wrong, show me please!

chrmn1:

Isaiah 42 was in reference to his role after taking up human form, "servant". Col 1:16 reads that all things were created by Him and for Him so that servant analogy doesn't hold water. Jesus was very much the centre of creation not the servant you portray him to be. So for God to say He created the world alone shows that there is a coded message in this all.

shadeyinka:

I don't know what you mean by figurative death?

Death is a Disconnection or Separation. There are three kinds of death
1. Physical Death:
When the Soul/Spirit is Disconnected from the Body
2. Spiritual Death:
When a human Spirit is Disconnected from God
3. Second Death:
When a human body, soul and spirit is permanently/eternally disconnected from God.

As for Jesus on the Cross, His soul/spirit was disconnected from his body.

Isa 53:12:
"Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he has poured out his soul to death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bore the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors."

1Pet 3:19:
"By which also he went and preached to the spirits in prison;"

1Pet 4:6:
"For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit."

chrmn1:

Here God Almighty says He created all things by Himself alone but scattered through out scriptures is the idea that He created all things through Christ? Did He lie, no. If you understand why He did not lie, you would easily see the point I have been trying to make to my friend Captivator.

CAPTIVATOR:


A soul poured to death is non living . according to you , physical death is when soul/spirit is discinne from the Body, what happen to the body ? Dies , You agree right.

Now you want to imply the soul continue to live on, but Isaiah said Just like the body dies, his soul will also experience death . you are in soup

Did it happen or Isaiah lied ?

CAPTIVATOR:

One reason why I like you is because you dey always enter offside.
Thank you, Thank You . all this while, this is what am expecting all right , see the below as it rubbished your manipulative and deluded claims


" The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified His Servant Jesus, " - Act 3:13 Holman

So Jesus is a servant of God of Abraham ?

CAPTIVATOR:

Heb 13:2 was describing what happened to Abraham . he said the three men that are entertained are Angels .
You are in trouble.

CAPTIVATOR:


Your screenshot of Gen 19:2 says MY LORD was what Lot called them, I dont know your problem .

Back to the highlighted, Who entertained angels without knowing in the Bible ? Who was Paul refffering at Heb 13:2 ?

You are in another trouble for saying Heb 13:2 isnt related to Abraham

CAPTIVATOR:

your problem is You jump too much

]Lot called the two angels MY LORD as well, so its no big deal . like i said One angel was representing Yahweh.
Scripture said Abraham entertained ANGELS NOT YAHWEH ,

" Don’t forget to show hospitality to strangers, for some who have done this have entertained ANGELS without realizing it! " Hebrews 13:2
All the men entertained are ANGELS .
Is Jesus now an angel ? Mr Jesus appear

CAPTIVATOR:


You are getting so desperate , so Abraham saw Yahweh whom no man can see and live ?

CAPTIVATOR:


A soul poured to death is non living . according to you , physical death is when soul/spirit is discinne from the Body, what happen to the body ? Dies , You agree right.

Now you want to imply the soul continue to live on, but Isaiah said Just like the body dies, his soul will also experience death . you are in soup

Did it happen or Isaiah lied ?

Barristter07:

dont mind Shadeyinka .

The clown defined physical death as separation, But REFUSE to mention what happen to the things separated, are they living or dead ? Did Body die or live on after the separation ? Did soul die or leave on after the separation? Questions that needed answers

shadeyinka:

I don't know whether this is ignorance personified or a deliberate act of feigning low intelligence.

Let me spell it out like I am speaking with a toddler!
1. When a person dies physically, his (soul and spirit) are poured out of his body and so, the BODY becomes lifeless.

2. The (soul and spirit) [b] are conscious and the person is in a state (alive) similar to that of the Angels.
3. Angels are living conscious beings with no physical body.

I know this is still above your level of comprehension. So, if you still have any question, be my guest.

nnnnnnnn

shadeyinka:

Let me remind you before you speak another lie!


See how many lies were punctured in this your post alone?
From the screenshot, Abraham stayed to speak with Yahweh
From the Screenshot, Lot referred to the Angels not as Yahweh but as Adonai
From the screen shot, only two angels went to Lot and Yahweh stayed to speak to Abraham on the state of Sodom

Pitiable is the summary of your state!


I have asked, show a scripture to prove that an Angel was representing Jehovah in Gen 18:
...maybe it is angel Gabriel!??

for your question about Who was Paul referring at Heb 13:2 , I have answered you
Hebrews 13:2
2 Do not forget to show hospitality to strangers, for by so doing some people have shown hospitality to angels without knowing it.

Simple English language tell us that "some people" CANNOT be "one person"

Please, tell another of your organizations inspired lies!

shadeyinka:

Twisted mind!

Because the Jehovah is powerless to appear to man "in a form" suitable for mans eyes
Exodus13:21
And the LORD went before them by day in a pillar of cloud to lead them along the way, and by night in a pillar of fire to give them light, that they might travel by day and by night.

Or as a Man as described in Genesis18:

Sorry, I forgot that there are so many things impossible for the god of your organization.

Even, Moses saw Jehovah in a form suitable for his mortality (His back literally)
Ex. 33:19–23
And he said, “I will make all my goodness pass before you and will proclaim before you my name ‘The Lord.’ And I will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and will show mercy on whom I will show mercy. But,” he said, “you cannot see my face, for man shall not see me and live.” And the Lord said, “Behold, there is a place by me where you shall stand on the rock, and while my glory passes by I will put you in a cleft of the rock, and I will cover you with my hand until I have passed by. Then I will take away my hand, and you shall see my back , but my face shall not be seen.”

God showed Moses part of His glory and that which was suitable for his mortal eyes to safely comprehend.

You know not the scriptures!

shadeyinka:

See how you have lumped up the definition of death again.

The scripture rightly used the word POURED because the BODY is the Container from which the Soul is poured out (disconnected/separated) in death.

then the [b] physical body dies but the soul/spirit remain alive and conscious
Using my definition again:
Physical Death is when the content (Soul/Spirit) of the Body is poured OUT of the body.

Even the seemingly elementary things are well above your comprehension because of the level of your brainwashing.

shadeyinka:

Sometimes I wonder how this demon has succeeded so well in enslaving your reasoning faculties.
Phil2:5
but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant , and coming in the likeness of men.

I am so scared of your trouble.!!!

Hebrews 13:2
2 Do not forget to show hospitality to strangers, for by so doing some people have shown hospitality to angels without knowing it.

Okay o!
Abraham is now some people?

Barristter07:


Cc : Captivator .

Act 3:13 differentiate Jesus from God of Abraham, Yes or no ?





Have shown, Past ... Did Abraham entertain angels or not ?

Barristter07:


Lifeless according to My Dictionary here means to be dead . Death defined

Beautiful , Now we are getting there. You are clearly seeing who is a toddler now.

You have singlehandedly defined death as been LIFELESS

Don't worry, have bookmarked this for further reference



If the bold is true, How could the Messiahs Soul be poured to DEATH ( Lifelessness) ?

shadeyinka:

I don't know whether this is ignorance personified or a deliberate act of feigning low intelligence.

Let me spell it out like I am speaking with a toddler!
1. When a person dies physically, his (soul and spirit) are poured out of his body and so, the BODY becomes lifeless.
2. The (soul and spirit) are conscious and the person is in a state (alive) similar to that of the Angels.
3. Angels are living conscious beings with no physical body.

I know this is still above your level of comprehension. So, if you still have any question, be my guest.

nnnnnnnn

Barristter07:


Who are those people, because its in the past tense " Have SHOWN " which means it happened before Pauls day ?

Barristter07:

Thank you for that Exodus 13:21, it was actually done through an angel - Read Exodus 14:19 . An angel was playing the role/ representing Yahweh. So thats enough to tell you that a reference to Yahweh could refer to his Angelica beings acting on his behalf.

Likewise in the case of Abraham , am still interested in knowing if Abraham is among those people that entertained angels or not.

*Note: No verse ever said Yahweh was entertain by any man. But we are told angels were entertained