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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by BlueAngel444: 4:54am On Jan 03, 2020 |
Liverpool have won 32 of their 37 matches at a rate of 2.73 points per game. When Manchester City set a record total of 100 points in 2017-18, they did so at a rate of 2.63 points per game. Some pep fans won't like this ![]() 2 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by BlueAngel444: 4:55am On Jan 03, 2020 |
Liverpool are still 12 matches short of Arsenal's 49-game unbeaten run - including the Invincibles season of 2003-04 - which is the record for any team since the Football League began in 1888. The Gunners' sequence lasted 539 days, which Liverpool would surpass if they end this season unbeaten. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Eruditor: 4:58am On Jan 03, 2020 |
BARAJ92: It is Pep Guardiola. So they will never agree. As if City did not lose 4 games last season to LFC's only 1 when they still won the league. Injury to a team depends on 1. If you have sufficient replacement for that player 2. If the player's role is significant to the team's overarching game City for e.g can survive without Aguero (albeit he is better than Jesus) simply because Jesus is not a huge dropoff on Aguero. But Otamendi is a HUMONGOUS dropoff on Laporte and is solely responsible for 2 City losses this season. Allison Becker and VVD are pivotal to Liverpool's game. They will draw and lose one or two games were one or the other is missing. If both, they will lose multiple games. Salah, Mane are key but you can survive if one or the other is missing. The output will definitely reduce but a 1-0 win is still a win. So part of City's frailties this season so far is not just injury but injuries to KEY components. Another reason is motivation. Motivation to churn out 30+ wins again. In the years United won the EPL back to back to back, you can look at their collection of points: 79, 91, 80 and 89, 87, 90. Pep got 276 points in his first 3 seasons. Which is better than anything United did in that time frame. This season, RM and Barca will have the same points as City and Leicester after 21 games and they are 1 and 2 in La Liga. So City are competing meaningfully regardless of a slightly dampened level of motivation. The only issue is...Liverpool are performing well-above the mean that is clearly unsustainable. It also helps that they seemed to have enjoyed favors that could have created chinks in their armour. 11 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by izzou(m): 6:13am On Jan 03, 2020 |
BARAJ92: Liverpool currently has Matip, Fabinho, Lovren, Shaqiri, and Oxlade all on injuries. Keita was supposed to play yesterday, but he got injured. That's was why Milner started. Yet these guys won all their games in December Please talk another thing 2 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by izzou(m): 6:26am On Jan 03, 2020 |
Eruditor: Alison Becker got injured at the beginning of this season. He was even red carded sef Kindly tell us how many games they lost or drew while he was away 4 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Eruditor: 6:39am On Jan 03, 2020 |
izzou: I would reply you but you are not objective as evidenced by your previous post. So believe what you want amigo. ![]() 2 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by izzou(m): 6:48am On Jan 03, 2020 |
Eruditor: I'm not here to argue either. I've never joined the "Pep is a fraud" chants. Pep is a good coach; a very good one. But making excuses for his losses because of the absence of one or two players don't cut it. Because one is performing better than you, doesn't mean they have it all. Liverpool have had more injuries than Man City this season. 5 of their first team squad are injured. Keita was to start yesterday. It was in the dressing room Milner came up because of injury. Yet Klopp still manages them I'm not here to argue back and forth. Pep missed it this season. It happens. So no need to use the injury line as an excuse. 15 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Emaprince: 7:14am On Jan 03, 2020 |
Call a spade a spade Pep is a FRAUD!!! 6 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Greatihex(m): 8:04am On Jan 03, 2020 |
Eruditor:I agree with your point, but for your last paragraph, City benefitted as much during their own league wins. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by BlueAngel444: 8:04am On Jan 03, 2020 |
izzou: And that's what it means to be a manager... Manage 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by izzou(m): 8:10am On Jan 03, 2020 |
BlueAngel444: Even the match that Becker was redcarded, Liverpool managed to win (2-1 or so) Yet, City was 2 goals up against Wolves with a red card, and they still lost. Pep lost it this season.. I don't know better than him, but he has been poor in managing the team this season |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Eruditor: 8:32am On Jan 03, 2020 |
Greatihex: LOL. If they ask you now, you would go mute. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by patrickmuf(m): 8:32am On Jan 03, 2020 |
Eruditor:Allison has had his time on the sidelines this season but Liverpool didn't make excuse of his absence. Fabinho, a key cog in that Liverpool midfield has been out for the past couple of weeks yet nobody is talking about him. Salah too has missed games this season. Matip and Lovren are out injured but nobody is making excuses of their absence. If motivation should suffice as an excuse, then we should gives props to the likes of Fergie who also found a way to keep the players motivated in spite of their successes in the league. It is one area where I think Fergie is significantly better than Pep, Mourinho and the likes. I have not added Klopp because I want to see how well he will handle the pressure that comes with staying at the top of the log after they prolly win the league this season but based on his time with BVB, he fits into the bracket of short term managers. Talking about point haul, if you conveniently argue that player quality cannot be measured seasons apart, why don't you apply same logic here? Do you think those points recorded in the past means that this city team with blow any of those title winning teams apart? Will this City team stand a chance against Manchester United's 2008 team? Will they stand a chance against the invincibles of Arsenal? I think not but those teams never won 100 pts in the league doesn't mean they're in anyway inferior... 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Eruditor: 8:40am On Jan 03, 2020 |
izzou: Like I said before, you are not objective so I don't know if there is a point in this. I can't be seeing Oxlade, Shaqiri or that LFC have had more injuries than City and take your argument at face value. If you were being objective, go back to the archives and see the City players that have been out this season. You can mention me again after that then I would ask you for the sufficient replacement for those players and how key those players are to the way City play. Till then, it is a free world. Believe what you want. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Eruditor: 8:44am On Jan 03, 2020 |
izzou: Proof again of what I said earlier. You want to compare Brighton at Anfield to Wolves at their home ground? Red card when Liverpool are up 2-0 with how few mins to go compared to City with a red card from the 12th min? LOL 2 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by CAPdan21(m): 8:45am On Jan 03, 2020 |
People like elruditor ought to be sacrificed to the village deity...always yarning rubbish..Tueh!! 3 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by izzou(m): 8:47am On Jan 03, 2020 |
Eruditor: I took your advice and these are City's injured players currently So kindly show me how the absence of these two made Pep lose matches to even smaller teams. 1 Like
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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by hensben(m): 8:48am On Jan 03, 2020 |
Pep is overrated. Klopp is not just a coach but a manager. I know this right from his days at Dortmund. I don’t like mou tactics but he has done more than Pep in this sport. 3 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Greatihex(m): 8:56am On Jan 03, 2020 |
Eruditor:ask me what? |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by izzou(m): 8:56am On Jan 03, 2020 |
Eruditor: As at 50 minutes in the match, City were 2 goals up. And in 40 minutes they bottled it. What's your explanation for that? And at the bolded, are you saying Wolves have not lost or had a draw in their home? Or should we list teams that have gotten a point from there Bros, it is difficult to stay at the top, and that is what Pep is experiencing. But apart from that, he has been poor in managing that team. 1 Like
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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by LegoxMetahuman: 9:04am On Jan 03, 2020 |
patrickmuf:wait o matip has been out? ![]() ![]() yet liverpool has kept 4 straight cleans sheets. 6 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by patrickmuf(m): 9:11am On Jan 03, 2020 |
LegoxMetahuman:Lol it's the norm for him...He goes silent when his arguments falls on its head. 7 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Eruditor: 9:16am On Jan 03, 2020 |
patrickmuf: Your argument is all over the place. City have won games without Ederson, KdB, Mendy, Zinchenko, Aguero, Laporte, Sané this season already. Any team can survive here and there with key injuries but it is a different kettle of fish when a key player is out for 6 months. I am not going into any SAF arguments simply because it will always be subjective. But if you think winning a league with 100 and 98 pts os equal to winning with 87 and 90 points be my guest. If you are asking if City is better than those teams in the EPL, the answer is simple. Will City win the league in those seasons? 3 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by patrickmuf(m): 9:23am On Jan 03, 2020 |
Eruditor:Chamberlain was a key member of Liverpool's when they reached the UCL final 2 seasons ago, he was injured for a year and nobody complained. Fabinho is just as important for Liverpool as Laporte is for City. Overall, Liverpool have had to deal with more injuries to their first team squad but nobody is using it as an excuse. Regarding City winning the league when Manchester United and Arsenal were in the peak of their powers, I'd say it will be very difficult maybe a title here or there but they wouldn't dominate the league... |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Eruditor: 9:24am On Jan 03, 2020 |
izzou: 10 mins away from home against a team like Wolves is enough time. Liverpool just barely beat them by a goal that VAR should have disallowed seeing that they disallowed Wolves goal and Liverpool were at Anfield. You can use your own imagination to predict how that game could have gone if Liverpool had a red card in the 12th min. 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by patrickmuf(m): 9:24am On Jan 03, 2020 |
Nothing about SAF is subjective, he managed to keep his players motivated over time, something Pep is struggling to do...This one isn't debatable. 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Eruditor: 9:26am On Jan 03, 2020 |
patrickmuf: Fabinho is like Laporte to City? LOL. Chamberlain is important to LFC. LOL. More injuries. LOOOOOOL. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Eruditor: 9:27am On Jan 03, 2020 |
patrickmuf: Yea. Winning a league with 81 points. That is motivation compared to City that may probably need 94pts this season to win the league. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by patrickmuf(m): 9:28am On Jan 03, 2020 |
Eruditor:I understand you have been cornered... 3 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by patrickmuf(m): 9:30am On Jan 03, 2020 |
Eruditor:See how easy it is to use points difference to argue yet if someone claims Pep's team is better the ones other managers met, you'd argue otherwise... |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by izzou(m): 9:34am On Jan 03, 2020 |
Eruditor: We can all have imaginations but in the end, only facts can be presented Pep scored his two goals after the red card. As at 50 minutes, he had a very good advantage. Instead of defending Pep, you should be disappointed with that slothful performance. You keep saying "A team like Wolves", but they have lost 5 matches and drew 9 matches. The teams that took these points from them are not Bayern, Barça or Real Madrid. Some are average teams in the PL. Because they beat Pep twice doesn't mean you should overrate them. Wolves is still an average team 4 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Eruditor: 9:40am On Jan 03, 2020 |
izzou: I really don't want to talk too much because there is alot to say. But if you think comparing injuries that are 2-3 weeks long to a replaceable player like Fabinho to a 6 months long injury to Laporte. What are we then discussing? Let us all pretend Pep did not win last season with Kompany, KdB, Mendy, Fernandinho being out many times last season. So we can say he does not know how to manage. 1 Like |
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