pacretus:
bro, you're gradually becoming a major nuisance on Nairaland, replying,responding and arguing every damn thing doesn't make you appear smart or intelligent, few years ago, you were one of those I respected their opinion but now I see them as mare ranting( not they ain't salient or true but because your contribution to what every one has to say is way too much). honestly, cut down the way you reply mentions or quotes. Just keep quite if it doesn't concern you.
You are an old member on nairaland, and by now should be more matured in handling folks on here. Cheez!!!
Except you have no life outside here, by all means continue, an idle mind is th e devils junk yard. Enjoy your day.

jln115:

This thread is literally one long argument with everybody responding and mentioning everybody..... If you can't handle it or you can't handle my posts, then you are more than welcome to fvckoff

Besides this isn't any of the military threads, this thread is a joke and you should treat it as such, I come here for enjoyment and so should you, if you come here for a serious convo and are sensitive to what everybody says then you are in the wrong place

This is basically the strongest military in Africa thread on steroids...... In fact I was much more of a d1ck on that thread than this one!!

P.s if you look at my time spent online, you'll see I'm on nairaland less 20 min a day.....so as for your"you don't have a life outside nairaland" well it doesn't hold water

Just30:
Whatever loans you take is a debt you owe



simple english

when markets go into troubles, all your bonds and bilateral loans pop.

Now you're excused to go and learn

jln115:

Except there are actual indexes that rate cities.

And Cape town is not just the best in Africa but one of the best in the world

Problemkid1:
Best in the world my ass

TayserMahrii:


Ogbomosho

jln115:

Except there are actual indexes that rate cities.

And Cape town is not just the best in Africa but one of the best in the world

TayserMahrii:


You cant have a positive trade balance with SA by selling them cashew nuts, while they are selling you expensive machinery. Your figures are untrue.

SA is the third largest exporter to Tanzania, with a market share of 9.63 percent. They sell you about R 3.5 billion while you sell them a measly R464 million.

TayserMahrii:


But you are trying to place Tz as an equal replacement to SA if that happens. Truth is, Tz cannot fill SA's big shoes. Nobody would coalesce around Tz because most of what you produce is what the other SADC members minus SA produce. I cant emphasize that enough. What Tz needs to learn is to accept its status. EAC couldnt work for you because Kenya was dominant, now SADC is not working because SA is dominant? Gee wheez!

jln115:
thats not even the original argument? It was who has the most Influence in SADC not if SADC can survive without SA

jln115:

Bro no country in the world has a monopoly on a single commodity.... Any county can choose who to trade with, so yes South Africa can be replaced(as can as any country).. What can not be replaced is trade agreements that make it much more beneficial, easier and cost effective to trade with SA instead of China.

So if push comes to shove, yes SA can be replaced with great expense.... However you are insinuating that SA has done something wrong, which was not the argument.... If its a simple choice between SA and Tanzania, we'll every single SADC country would choose SA

Problemkid1:
Mtchwwe!!

Mzal3ndo:

https://oec.world/en/profile/country/tza/

Problemkid1:
This thread Is for Tanzania, Ghana, Kenya and Nigeria. Take you stricken Xenophobic ass out of here

theenchanter:
cape town is voted as d best by telegraph travel award and it deals with a traveler's experience in a city. More like tourism experience.

Not because of any index.

tylann:

How about the insecurity in eastern Drc Tanzania borders eastern Drc

jln115:
Hence why i didn't use Telegraph travel as a source

TayserMahrii:


Layman. You're saying what your unschooled great granny would say. When you borrow a loan from the bank to we dont say you took a debt. Money borrowed from lender is called loan and money borrowed through debentures and bonds is called debt. Kenya's loans will be paid at the pre-agreed intervals and interests, whether the oil prices collapse or not. This has nothing to do with english but economics. Upgrade your standards dummy.

Mzal3ndo:

I know and I gave my reasons on how Tanzania has influence in SADC due to matters which are non-economical somehow it turned into how much SA is so precious to SADC. SA has influence and Tanzania has influence but their influence affects matters differently in the region.

If we put patriotism aside and use common logic we can agree that different countries have different influences in other nations. The influence that SA has in Botswana is different from what Tanzania has, like wise the influence that Tanzania has in DRC or Zambia is different from what SA has. SA can use its economic influence in DRC but Tanzania can use culture, language and the fact we are neighbors. There are agendas in SADC which if is a competition between SA and Tanzania the outcome will be in favor of SA and there are agendas that will come in favor with Tanzania.

A good example, Tanzania and China are technically besties but when Tanzania decided to build its SGR it gave the contract to a Turkish firm like wise the 2000MW hydro power dam, instead of going to a Chinese company it went to an Egyptian, but China is a bigger trading partner than the two.

Mzal3ndo:


My argument was influence not dominance, which are two different things. Tanzania voted to recognize China instead of Taiwan in the UN during the 60s because Tanzania is friends with China also Tanzania played a monumental role to stop the UNESCO resolution that would denying Israel any rights to Temple Mount. I don't know about other countries but for Tanzania these are just examples of how non-economic influence and relations can help in pushing other nations agenda. This was my argument on how Tanzania can use it's non-economic nor military assets to push her agenda within SADC if it comes a time she is competing against SA not Tanzania being a good substitute of SA in SADC.

A good example is currently Kenya and Djibouti are competing for the UN security council seat and they are both members of IGAD and COMESA. Tanzania already placed her support to Kenya and most likely other EAC also will. So this will favour the nation with the most influence with other African countries. Because Tanzania has influence in SADC, she can act as an ally to rally votes for Kenya. That was what i was talking about when I said influence.

jln115:

Bro no country in the world has a monopoly on a single commodity.... Any county can choose who to trade with, so yes South Africa can be replaced(as can as any country).. What can not be replaced is trade agreements that make it much more beneficial, easier and cost effective to trade with SA instead of China.

So if push comes to shove, yes SA can be replaced with great expense.... However you are insinuating that SA has done something wrong, which was not the argument.... If its a simple choice between SA and Tanzania, we'll every single SADC country would choose SA

Just30:
right thing

increase your export trade

Just30:


i love your dumbness, it's a signature Kenyan trait


every money borrowed is a debt you owe
your craziness has gone beyond.

well done servicing your debt when the market has gone crazy.

TayserMahrii:


Influence and dominance are the same thing. The difference is the degree. Tanzania is merely influential in SADC, SA is dominant. Tz has always had an issue with a dominant country in any economic bloc. Your examples make sense but not relevant.

gallivant:


Your only strength is a transit point, nothing else. At least you understand that.

Mzal3ndo:


I didn't say that SA did something wrong, i was opposing the statement that we as SADC can't survive without South Africa.
And it is true, trade agreement change and we can agree that the prime aim of trade is to make a profit. If Mozambique is capable of producing high end electronic, Tanzania won't buy from SA but rather Mozambique because it is cheaper. I know the importance of the SA industrial strength currently in SADC and even when SADC countries develop their own industrial economies they will still trade with SA and heck maybe in even greater volumes because not every country can produce everything they need.
I just hate the way some people are painting SA as the SADC economic Jesus that we can't and won't develop unless we pass through her.

theenchanter:
not at all.

theenchanter:
hence no other source claimed cape town to be d best city in d world, hence u didn't bother to reference them as ur source but i'm way smarter than thou.

TayserMahrii:


Dumb mvthafvcka

theenchanter:
not at all.

jln115:
I can't remember that i said SADC can't survive without SA, all i said it would have massive economical implications for SADC regions if SA left. And If Tanzania left it wouldn't have nearly the same impact!!

jln115:
Hence why i didn't say Cape Town was the best city in the world