Odunayaw:
There's an acclimatization to the Nigerian battlefield they must undergo too. Anyway, let's wait and see.

Modify
I think the St-1 is from the same family of ZBL the Chadians Abi na Cameroonians use. But if the Sagaie were refurbished(not just painting o) it could complement.

komekn:


I made an informed deduction from the facts presented by General Adeniyi.

General Adeniyi had standing right beside him two other Generals and explained they were the sector commanders for two different Battalions.

All three of them were in the forward position with the three MRAP's. A Battalion will have at the very minimum 500 troops,that equates to 1500 troops in that sector.

How three Battalions have 3 MRAP's between them for a frontal assault is very shocking to me.

Ablemax:



As what dude??

SamuelAnyawu:


A visitor. To tour the lake Chad basin

Whyem15:
At least this tanks should be usefull against the gun trucks. Its a $152 million deal. 17 vehicles were delivered today including the MBT, light tanks and some artilleries.
Unit cost of VT4-$3million
Unit cist of armata - $3.7 million
I think we went for the better deal considering the VT4 has almost all that the armata has for a lesser price.
The fact that we didn't hear anything about this deal till it was delivered means FG is keeping a lot of deals secret. I hope so sha.
Hope we see more hardwares in the next few months

homerac7:


He said "3 Battalion " , which infers 3 Bat headquarted in Effurun, Warri. NOT 3 battalions. Rewatch the video and put into proper context. He couldn't have had more than 1 or 2 composite companies of approximately 250-400 men. Maybe 200 men even depending on field factors. There's no way the whole of c600 mem (max) of 3 Bat will be in Maiduguri, but just components.

Don't get me wrong, it takes nothing away from the terrible optics of the video. Only adjusting the perspective.


Aside: Nice new acquisitions. Hoping they hot them in substantial quantities.

BabaOwen:
okay fool. I've been to some west African countries, I don talk am for this thread before and nah work carry me go there. There was never a time I said I don't live in Nigeria, please don't be stupid. I once said on this thread sef that, I have been to almost every part of Nigeria, except the North east.

komekn:


African government prefer the Chinese route for arms procurement not because of quality. It's simply because the Chinese not averse to " sharp practices" kick back to offshore accounts it's how business is done. A good reason for us not hear anything.

We bought sub standard copy cat engineering Mig 21 from China for hundreds of millions of $$$. When you could buy used MIG 21 from with better airframes and resilience, for a fraction of the price.

Now I am involved in procurement across Europe but not Military. So if l know these things, I don't believe our top brass dont know this too.

Buying 20+ MBT and 30 + Light tanks will not provide the coverage required. They are required but not the main thing.

They need far better communications infrastructure. And light armoured type MRAP vehicles that will not get stuck in the terrain that are fast and mobile that give you some stealth in your search and destroy missions.

All should have RWS with the full suite that gives you clear cut advantage over the enemy.

At this stage NA should be able to have at least 25 UAV to Cover the hot spots of the NE.

My opinion this is not best value for Nigeria and will give very limited relief.

S400:


To win a contract is not only about the quality . it deppend on many things . the price ( thailand had a limited budget) , the version and options offered , transfer of thechnology ,maintnance terms (Beijing offered to build a major maintenance, repair and overhaul (MRO) facility in Khon Kaen, Thailand ) , the politic relations also .

Add that only thailand bought them in small numbers . so even if its a very good tank , we cant compare with the export succes of the T90 and Abrams

QuietMynd:

Shutup baboon

SamuelAnyawu:


A visitor. To tour the lake Chad basin

Toju200:
Jesus!!!!
Guy can't u be grateful for ones
You are always *I'll rather this and that*
What is now wrong if they buy new VT-4.
I'm sure if they had bought refurbished tanks you'll say they sold Nigeria repaired scraps from junkyards...
It's a 154million dollar deal...
The amount of machines dropped yesterday was 17

komekn:


It would help when you respond to give comprehensive examples.

Maybe l am wrong but l have never heard of a Chadian army base been over run, taken over for days, multiple soldiers killed and weapons carted off and or destroyed.

This is the first time it seems to have happened to the Chadians please correct me factually if I'm wrong.

Boko have been literally uprooted comprehensively wiped out from Chad in the space of a week.

In Comparison how long have Boko made Sambisa thier operating home base without being uprooted ❓ What has been the comprehensive response by the NA.

How many Nigerian armed forces bases have been over run by BOKO and sometimes they Boko have done a rerun and come back . In the past 10 years❓

komekn:


I made an informed deduction from the facts presented by General Adeniyi.

General Adeniyi had standing right beside him two other Generals and explained they were the sector commanders for two different Battalions.

All three of them were in the forward position with the three MRAP's. A Battalion will have at the very minimum 500 troops,that equates to 1500 troops in that sector.

How three Battalions have 3 MRAP's between them for a frontal assault is very shocking to me.

komekn:


Back to the question of best value.

To make a difference you need to be able to deploy sufficient number of assistance to give yourself over riding advantage.

BMP 2 are dirt cheap have some issues with the fuel tanks in the rear doors. But they can still be very effective.

How much do they cost used from multiple suppliers in the former Eastern block. Probably about $40k per unit. Effectively less than a Toyota Land cruiser gun truck. I speculated not substantiated that we probably pay $45k for each Toyota gun truck we buy. Anybody know what we pay.

In this regard we shouldn't be buying anything less that 200 units, that will completely change the dynamics on the ground.

I am not a great fan of the BTR 80, think the Ukrainian BTR3 are better. Again easily procured with RWS and some basic FLIR. Between $35- 120K depending if you want to retrofit and do the upgrades yourself.

In this regard we should procure at least 500, stop our troops going in the back of Big yellow dumpster trucks and soft skinned pick ups.

komekn:


Agreed without reservation.

We have an army engineering Corp.

When you retrofit your own RWS, FLIR and target acquisition soft Ware. You save yourself 75% of the cost of refurbishment.

It's not rocket science very straight forward stuff.

We can even upgrade the mine resistance by using cheap Indian steel.

Litmus:


Thought Chad are able to fight and defeat Bokoharam virtually naked and that Nigeria could too, if we but had heavier, hairier balls and hollered banzarr louder while charging at them.

seankafor:
that tank should be operated by solely special forces and its gotta be guided by not less than 1000 troops per operation

bidexiii:


Like you said based on your own opinion !
Stop deceiving yourself, [/b]“US simply no longer wants to fight not that they can’t win”.[b] where did you get that from or who told you that, infact the US loves to fight war and flex there muscles and it’s in there DNA to fight and history is there to show it.
When the French left Vietnam the US took over to flex there muscles, we all know what happen last last, they withdrew there troops it was a stalemate. Same thing is happening in the Middle East the Russian couldn’t defeat the mujahideen, backed by the United States now the Russians where tired and left. The same thing is happening to the US, they want to make peace with every terrorist there once sponsored.
Infact the Americans & NATO are making the Middle East worst by the day including Lydia, it’s becoming worst by the day even an unstable mind knows that with all there super power.

Dude war is not a game the Americans are tired and have reached there “diminishing law of return” ? Over 18 years and still on battling terrorism globally. Sure some politicians and war mongers, defense contractors wouldn’t want an end to these dirty wars.
But the soldiers who risks the odds are fucking tired

kabe1:


With most speaking on the assumption that their remarks would not become public, U.S. officials acknowledged that their warfighting strategies were fatally flawed

Several of those interviewed described explicit and sustained efforts by the U.S. government to deliberately mislead the public. They said it was common at military headquarters in Kabul — and at the White House — to distort statistics to make it appear the United States was winning the war when that was not the case.

kabe1:


With most speaking on the assumption that their remarks would not become public, U.S. officials acknowledged that their warfighting strategies were fatally flawed

Several of those interviewed described explicit and sustained efforts by the U.S. government to deliberately mislead the public. They said it was common at military headquarters in Kabul — and at the White House — to distort statistics to make it appear the United States was winning the war when that was not the case.

kabe1:


Since 2001, more than 775,000 U.S. troops have deployed to Afghanistan, many repeatedly. Of those, 2,300 died there and 20,589 were wounded in action, according to Defense Department figures.

jpphilips:


Why are the Talibans willing to negotiate with a weak enemy with fatally flawed strategy?

kabe1:


This makes no sense.

The US entered Afghanistan because 3,000 Americans were killed in 9/11.

The US has the world's largest forward force projection. Whether in Colombus or Kandahar they can deliver the punch.

The US is making the deal with the Taliban because after nearly 20 years of US and NATO military operations in Afghanistan, they have come to the realisation that they cannot win militarily.

jpphilips:


Why are the Talibans willing to negotiate with a weak enemy with fatally flawed strategy?

jpphilips:


So in a 19yrs conflict based on your figures BTW, 0.3% KIA and 2.3% WIA means failure, defeat & fatally flawed strategy?
What a logic!!

jpphilips:


What is the objective that needs to be won in Afghanistan?
I want to start from the elementary before it gets complex

jpphilips:


Why are the Talibans willing to negotiate with a weak enemy with fatally flawed strategy?

jpphilips:


Since the US strategy was fatally flawed according to you, why are the Talibans willing to negotiate even after the US asked them to go fvck themselves twice?
I hope you understand what winning means right?