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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by kemicalreact: 11:50am On Apr 11, 2020
blacKDalia:
U.S objectives in Afghanistan are easy to list: stability, good governance and prosperity. It should be noted that the United States did not make a premeditated choice to focus it's attention on the small land locked mountainous region. 9/11 changed all that. The initial goal of US military operations was narrowly conceived ; the elimination of the threat posed by al-Qaeda. The mission was urgent and not preceded by any long term objective. Albeit they did make quick work of the Taliban regime, their efforts did not produce any rapid result on the hunt for Osama bin Laden. The longer the US stayed in Afghanistan, the more blurry the line became between it's narrow counter terror mission and a more ambitious effort of building a post Taliban Afghanistan.The question is, was the US' strategic objective of building a stable and prosperous Afghanistan achieved? The answer is no. And I think the Taliban will be back.
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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by SamuelAnyawu(m): 11:53am On Apr 11, 2020
seankafor:
sometimes you over talk as you supposed to.

No rebel born of mortal can dare attack the fleet of escorts and armoured security details of chief of army staff.
The kind of helicopters and drones that I'll be hovering over the sky will even send shivers down any fvckers spines.

Hmmmm easy Bro grin grin
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by kemicalreact: 11:54am On Apr 11, 2020
Toju200:
well they aren't winning From my point of view...
They killed more civilians than terrorists in Airstrike and you call that mission successful
Do you have a source for this?

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by SamuelAnyawu(m): 11:55am On Apr 11, 2020
seankafor:
hmm, are you the one asking this kinda cheap question?
Why chief of staff is moving with tight security details?

And who told you the drones and helos arent deployed to assist in the coin ops?


If the bolded were functional ISWAP won't dare any FOB.

Baga had over 2000 Nigeria Soldiers when ISWAP attacked in late 2018.

If anyone told me Baga could be overun in 2018 I'll swear with my life never because of the equipments and soldiers usually see there.

I miss that town shaa

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by SamuelAnyawu(m): 12:01pm On Apr 11, 2020
GabrielYulaw:


These kind of fickers don't really care about death, not when there are 72 fresh virgins waiting for them. Frankly, if the Chief comes, I think ISWAP will attack. If they lose they gain a propaganda coup as being so daring as to attack a whole Chief of Army staff. If they win and capture some important personalities...

But have you asked yourself why we can have so many drones and choppers guarding someone, just one person. But you barely hear of such drones and choppers coming to help and bombing the shit of the enemy when our troops on the frontline are facing an attack.


A group that came into Monguno in January this year with 13 gun trucks knowing fully well Monguno military has over 60 gun trucks and over 2000 soldiers.

We need to kill the morale of these bastards.

The last week attack in Gamboru they came with 5 gun trucks to disturb Gamboru that has over 2000 soldiers. These guys sometimes love pulling a psychological stunt.

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by ugo4u: 12:08pm On Apr 11, 2020
jpphilips:


You must be a child not to know the UAE is a US ally before you were born.
Who expects you to know that 3,500 US troops are deployed at the Al Dhafra Air Base in Abu Dhabi.
Who expects you to know that UAE is only one of three countries and the only Arab nation to participate with the US in six coalition actions over the last 20 years: Afghanistan, Libya, Somalia, Bosnia-Kosovo, the 1990 Gulf War and the fight against ISIS.
UAE can get Chinook as a US ally, Nigeria can not.

Singapore and the U.S. have a strong bilateral defense partnership, underpinned by the 1990 Memorandum of Understanding and 2005 Strategic Framework Agreement, and most recently elevated by the 2015 enhanced Defense Cooperation Agreement

You don't know these basic military relations between these countries yet open your butt hole to call me ignorant?
Seems the goats we left in the politics section are here, time to leave!!

Doesn't takeaway the fact that you're ignorant copy and paste all things on Wikipedia nothing changes, if you wanna leave pls do you're presence here is irritating/stinks. Had it being I hadn't seen things myself prolly one would have believed the garbage you've being typing since.
Once again you're very very ignorant, any senior Airforce officer that was incharge of procurements reads these your post they'll not only be stunned at the confidence in ignorance but also you're knack for stupidity & puerility.
You know nothing I swear, I'm not a Mr Know it all but on this particular Chinook issue, I can confidently say you know nothing.

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by GabrielYulaw(m): 12:18pm On Apr 11, 2020
seankafor:
hmm, are you the one asking this kinda cheap question?
Why chief of staff is moving with tight security details?

And who told you the drones and helos arent deployed to assist in the coin ops?

Is like you haven't heard tales of bases being overrun, after hours of battle with no help from the air force. angry

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by GabrielYulaw(m): 12:21pm On Apr 11, 2020
kemicalreact:
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Lol. I am sure the US is currently in Syria and Iraq because they want stability and prosperity in those countries. All the oil there is of course not a strong motivating factor.
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by kemicalreact: 12:27pm On Apr 11, 2020
GabrielYulaw:


Lol. I am sure the US is currently in Syria and Iraq because they want stability and prosperity in those countries. All the oil there is of course not a strong motivating factor.
You nailed it. Saudi Arabia (a known sponsor of terrorism) is a strong US ally. You dare not sue a Saudi citizen to court as an American, no matter what he or she does.

I find it ridiculous that some people still believe the US is in the Middle East to ensure peace and prosperity grin grin grin

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by bidex111: 12:37pm On Apr 11, 2020
kemicalreact:
You nailed it. Saudi Arabia (a known sponsor of terrorism) is a strong US ally. You dare not sue a Saudi citizen to court as an American, no matter what he or she does.

I find it ridiculous that some people still believe the US is in the Middle East to ensure peace and prosperity grin grin grin

Partially you’re right, very country would go after there own national interest but 9/11 was the turning point.
See they know the more terrorism grow in the Middle East and other part of the world, the more Americans are not save.
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Toju200(m): 12:38pm On Apr 11, 2020
kemicalreact:
Do you have a source for this?
this is one Russian airstrikes kill 5 civilians in northern Syria - Anadolu Agency
https://www.aa.com.tr › middle-east › rus...
Another: Russian airstrike kills 10 civilians in northwestern Syria | AFP - YouTube
https://m.youtube.com › watch
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Toju200(m): 12:40pm On Apr 11, 2020
Toju200:
this is one Russian airstrikes kill 5 civilians in northern Syria - Anadolu Agency
https://www.aa.com.tr › middle-east › rus...
Another: Russian airstrike kills 10 civilians in northwestern Syria | AFP - YouTube
https://m.youtube.com › watch
https://www.google.com/url?q=https://googleweblight.com/i%3Fu%3Dhttps://www.dailysabah.com/politics/russian-airstrikes-killed-9-civilians-in-syrias-idlib-after-regaining-control-of-lost-territory/news%26grqid%3Dw7nAVY4K%26s%3D1%26hl%3Den-NG&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwigpvWGpODoAhUh2-AKHapOA9IQFjAFegQIBhAB&usg=AOvVaw1O5UHgD9Ap7YRVozHuVdNY
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by GabrielYulaw(m): 12:42pm On Apr 11, 2020
kemicalreact:
You nailed it. Saudi Arabia (a known sponsor of terrorism) is a strong US ally. You dare not sue a Saudi citizen to court as an American, no matter what he or she does.

I find it ridiculous that some people still believe the US is in the Middle East to ensure peace and prosperity grin grin grin

Lol. It has never ever been about peace and prosperity. During the Arab Spring, we heard not a peep from the US when protests were taking place in Saudi Arabia and other strong monarchical countries. What were the protesters asking for? Democracy and an end to monumental corruption.

Now, the US is supposed to be the champion of democracy in the world, so why did it keep silent when it could have enabled democratic change in the Middle East? Answer- it currently has control over the monarchical governments in power there and a democratic government might not be so friendly to it.

This same democracy loving America had the democratic Iranian government replaced by the Shah cos he was about to nationalize their oil industry. The shah was hated and corrupt, but that didn't stop America from giving him their full support and throwing open their arsenal for the Shah to buy any weaponry he wanted. He bought F-14s and more.

America so loved democracy and prosperity that it provided the means for evil governments everywhere on the globe from Latin America to Africa to stay in power and murder hundreds and millions of their citizens. They supported people like Mobutu, Saddam, the South African apartheid regime and provided training and weaponry to Latin American death squads that killed raped, murdered and maimed without mercy.

There is no nobility about the US in the least. They have always been driven by money and their self interest. That is why the are and will always be the Great Satan.

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by GabrielYulaw(m): 12:44pm On Apr 11, 2020
bidex111:


Partially you’re right, very country would go after there own national interest but 9/11 was the turning point.
See they know the more terrorism grow in the Middle East and other part of the world, the more Americans are not save.

Terrorism that they themselves by their own hand helped to create. sad
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by kemicalreact: 12:49pm On Apr 11, 2020
bidex111:


Partially you’re right, very country would go after there own national interest but 9/11 was the turning point.
See they know the more terrorism grow in the Middle East and other part of the world, the more Americans are not save.
Spare me the 9/11 BS, which country did US invade after 9/11?


The US presence in the Middle East is not any way related to 9/11.

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by kemicalreact: 12:52pm On Apr 11, 2020
GabrielYulaw:


Lol. It has never ever been about peace and prosperity. During the Arab Spring, we heard not a peep from the US when protests were taking place in Saudi Arabia and other strong monarchical countries. What were the protesters asking for? Democracy and an end to monumental corruption.

Now, the US is supposed to be the champion of democracy in the world, so why did it keep silent when it could have enabled democratic change in the Middle East? Answer- it currently has control over the monarchical governments in power there and a democratic government might not be so friendly to it.

This same democracy loving America had the democratic Iranian government replaced by the Shah cos he was about to nationalize their oil industry. The shah was hated and corrupt, but that didn't stop America from giving him their full support and throwing open their arsenal for the Shah to buy any weaponry he wanted. He bought F-14s and more.

America so loved democracy and prosperity that it provided the means for evil governments everywhere on the globe from Latin America to Africa to stay in power and murder hundreds and millions of their citizens. They supported people like Mobutu, Saddam, the South African apartheid regime and provided training and weaponry to Latin American death squads that killed raped, murdered and maimed without mercy.

There is no nobility about the US in the least. They have always been driven by money and their self interest. That is why the are and will always be the Great Satan.
I like people that can see between the lines. The hypocrisy of the champion of democracy stinks to high heavens. grin grin

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by GabrielYulaw(m): 1:19pm On Apr 11, 2020
kemicalreact:
Spare me the 9/11 BS, which country did US invade after 9/11?


The US presence in the Middle East is not any way related to 9/11.

They seriously threatened to bomb Pakistan into the stone age if they didn't get on board and help overthrow the Talibs. Imagine phoning the president of another country and telling him you will bomb his country to smithereens because you can and no one on earth will stop you because you control the world. embarassed

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by seankafor(m): 1:36pm On Apr 11, 2020
GabrielYulaw:


They seriously threatened to bomb Pakistan into the stone age if they didn't get on board and help overthrow the Talibs. Imagine phoning the president of another country and telling him you will bomb his country to smithereens because you can and no one on earth will stop you because you control the world. embarassed
oga gone are the days .

Literally, no country even USA has the power to bomb a sovereign country into ashes without global outcry and retaliation.
If it was possible, why haven't they bombed NK and Iran?

Una too dey overhype this USA sef... there are levels to the lengths they can go.

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by blacKDalia: 1:53pm On Apr 11, 2020
kemicalreact:
Laughable grin grin

Let me simplify my post.
1. Initial objective was to destroy al-Qaeda and remove Taliban.
2. The longer the US stayed in Afghanistan, the mission evolved /shifted into building a post Taliban Afghan state in which a road map was conceived by the international community, led by the US and Afghan leaders.
The first objective was immediately realised.
The second is implausible. The Taliban are still operating in the borders between Afghanistan and Pakistan and will resurge as the US draws down it's troop numbers.

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by blacKDalia: 1:57pm On Apr 11, 2020
GabrielYulaw:


Lol. I am sure the US is currently in Syria and Iraq because they want stability and prosperity in those countries. All the oil there is of course not a strong motivating factor.

Going by your own deduction the US are in Afghanistan cos of the lucrative opium trade. Iraq and Syria are a different ball game.

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by blacKDalia: 2:11pm On Apr 11, 2020
GabrielYulaw:


Lol. It has never ever been about peace and prosperity. During the Arab Spring, we heard not a peep from the US when protests were taking place in Saudi Arabia and other strong monarchical countries. What were the protesters asking for? Democracy and an end to monumental corruption.

Now, the US is supposed to be the champion of democracy in the world, so why did it keep silent when it could have enabled democratic change in the Middle East? Answer- it currently has control over the monarchical governments in power there and a democratic government might not be so friendly to it.

This same democracy loving America had the democratic Iranian government replaced by the Shah cos he was about to nationalize their oil industry. The shah was hated and corrupt, but that didn't stop America from giving him their full support and throwing open their arsenal for the Shah to buy any weaponry he wanted. He bought F-14s and more.

America so loved democracy and prosperity that it provided the means for evil governments everywhere on the globe from Latin America to Africa to stay in power and murder hundreds and millions of their citizens. They supported people like Mobutu, Saddam, the South African apartheid regime and provided training and weaponry to Latin American death squads that killed raped, murdered and maimed without mercy.

There is no nobility about the US in the least. They have always been driven by money and their self interest. That is why the are and will always be the Great Satan.


I've often said that the US is a parasite on the whole world, but which ever way you look at it there's always a balancing act. If interested read, Games Nations Play by John W. Spanier. Countries go along together if their interests align, which also translates to "no permanent friendship but permanent interest".

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by jpphilips(m): 2:14pm On Apr 11, 2020
ugo4u:

Stop wallowing in ignorance, as of 2014 I was very much within the military circles (Airforce) and was privy to some information esp from the contractor that procure our helicopters (Won't mention the name). The Israeli's were more than willing to give us Chinook helicopters to help with the fight against the insurgents, infact the deal was almost done and approved by Netanyahu before it was blocked by Obama citing (Leahy's Law) it's as simple as that I even saw minuted document to that effect. I still have all the memories as fresh as a morning wine. Can you post the "rules" that made it off limits to Nigeria but accessible to India, UAE, Singapore etc
Calm down and learn stop basing your argument on hearsay or sentiments.


You were in the Airforce in 2014 & probably one of the clusterfvcks that advised Jonathan to pursuit the Chinooks grin grin

Let me ask you, did you support Jonathan's advisers based on what?
Does Nigeria have any existing military treaty or defense MOU with the US in 2014?
if the answer is NO then on what grounds did you and your cohorts advise Jonathan to chase shadows? what was in it for you guys? let me guess, the few Trips to New York, estacodes & sitting allowance?

I am sure it was the same team of clusterfvcks that advised Jonathan to circumvent Leahy's ban through South Africa with militants & bling-bling pastor?
Do you expect them to know SA has been a US ally since Apartheid? We lost $10m to that stup!dity, Meanwhile, your mates in
India circumvented CAATSA with EU, Iran is trying to circumvent US JCPOA sanctions with EU also.

You are not even ashamed to admit you were part of that conspiracy.

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Odunayaw(m): 2:15pm On Apr 11, 2020
GabrielYulaw:


These kind of fickers don't really care about death, not when there are 72 fresh virgins waiting for them. Frankly, if the Chief comes, I think ISWAP will attack. If they lose they gain a propaganda coup as being so daring as to attack a whole Chief of Army staff. If they win and capture some important personalities...

But have you asked yourself why we can have so many drones and choppers guarding someone, just one person. But you barely hear of such drones and choppers coming to help and bombing the shit of the enemy when our troops on the frontline are facing an attack.

But they care enough for Shekau to be begging them not to run from Chad?
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by GabrielYulaw(m): 2:16pm On Apr 11, 2020
seankafor:
oga gone are the days .

Literally, no country even USA has the power to bomb a sovereign country into ashes without global outcry and retaliation.
If it was possible, why haven't they bombed NK and Iran?

Una too dey overhype this USA sef... there are levels to the lengths they can go.

Pervez Musharaff himself was quoted as saying that Bush called him to threaten bombing of Pakistan into the stone age. Far as I know the US has never denied the claim.

More, it seems you don't know what things were like just after 9/11. Back then the US was in total shock, fighters constantly patrolled in the air, panic everywhere and the armed forces on total alert. Everyone was waving flags at the least opportunity and we are talking of mammoth flags. So, yes, the US could have easily manufactured an excuse and bombed Pakistan if they so choose. Who could stop them? There are no lengths the US can go and no length it hasn't gone.

The same US you are accusing me of over hyping actively supported Saddam during the Iran-Iraq war. They gave Saddam access to all manner of weaponry including things used to make chemical weapons and promoted him as a bulwark against Iranian expansionism, never mind that it was Iraq that started the war. They gave Saddam satellite coordinates, knowing fully well he would use it to launch chemical weapon attack on Iranian troops and civilians. And when the truth of that came to light, they did everything they could at the UN to make sure Iraq was ever brought to account or even condemned.
Kindly Google Dirty Wars in Latin America if you can. The US knows no limits cos it makes the laws.
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Odunayaw(m): 2:24pm On Apr 11, 2020
ugo4u:

Doesn't takeaway the fact that you're ignorant copy and paste all things on Wikipedia nothing changes, if you wanna leave pls do you're presence here is irritating/stinks. Had it being I hadn't seen things myself prolly one would have believed the garbage you've being typing since.
Once again you're very very ignorant, any senior Airforce officer that was incharge of procurements reads these your post they'll not only be stunned at the confidence in ignorance but also you're knack for stupidity & puerility.
You know nothing I swear, I'm not a Mr Know it all but on this particular Chinook issue, I can confidently say you know nothing.
Ugo, forget that uncouth prick. He lives to insult with his warped knowledge of things

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by GabrielYulaw(m): 2:25pm On Apr 11, 2020
blacKDalia:


Let me simplify my post.
1. Initial objective was to destroy al-Qaeda and remove Taliban.
2. The longer the US stayed in Afghanistan, the mission evolved /shifted into building a post Taliban Afghan state in which a road map was conceived by the international community, led by the US and Afghan leaders.
The first objective was immediately realised.
The second is implausible. The Taliban are still operating in the borders between Afghanistan and Pakistan and will resurge as the US draws down it's troop numbers.

The fist objective was realized? Does that mean there's no longer Al Qaeda in Afghanistan? If the Talibans were indeed removed, where did the new crop come from?

The longer the US stayed in Afghanistan the longer they realized the war was unwinnable by conventional means. They could kill 10,000 Taliban for every one of their soldiers, but death and dying does not really matter to the Talibs. The Talibans take a long view of things. War is their profession and they go to war not necessarily to win, but to exhaust and outlast the enemy.

The Vietcong and the North Vietnamese did it and the Talibans did the same thing. In both cases, victory was not by conventional means. You just have to wait for your enemy to get tired and you can then get everything you want.

Tell me something. Is the world safer since the US invaded Afghanistan? Is it safer since they went into Iraq and created ISIS? Is it safer since they helped overthrow Gadaffi? The more they invade the more enemies they create and the more people flock in from all over to fight them. They seem unable to realize that.
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by lebuhsi(m): 2:59pm On Apr 11, 2020
Nigeria airforce personnel receiving training on communication equipment with COMSEC and TRANSEC capacities acquired from SAT-COM Namibia Cc:jakepor1

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Toju200(m): 3:05pm On Apr 11, 2020
lebuhsi:
Nigeria airforce personnel receiving training on communication equipment with COMSEC and TRANSEC capacities acquired from SAT-COM Namibia Cc:jakepor1
this is old news it's been long like three years ago

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by lebuhsi(m): 3:16pm On Apr 11, 2020
Toju200:
this is old news it's been long like three years ago
Yeah I just thought I should share, guys here always talk about the Nigerian military incapacity to coordinate ops through comms, its nice to see that NAF have been capacity building ground forces since '17
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Toju200(m): 3:20pm On Apr 11, 2020
lebuhsi:

Yeah I just thought I should share, guys here always talk about the Nigerian military incapacity to coordinate ops through comms, its nice to see that NAF have been capacity building ground forces since '17
alright that's an innoson truck they're using

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Nobody: 4:04pm On Apr 11, 2020
rka2:




[/b]An SU-25 won't make much of a difference if there is nobody on the ground to co-ordinate with unless there is a clear gap between friend & foe. You will need a hell of a lot of assets to be able to sustain helos/fighters for every engagement taking into account downtime, training etc. If you utilise all your assets at once, you will end up with nothing operational further down the line.

The Tucano will help a lot because of its advanced avionics/weapons and the fact it can loiter for over 8 hours with ISR capabilities even after expending its weapons.


https://t.guardian.ng/news/nigerian-army-destroys-iswap-camp-at-tumbun-fulani-in-northern-borno/
If what's in bold is part of the problem, then the tucanos might not change anything, since there might be nobody on ground to coordinate with.

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Nobody: 4:28pm On Apr 11, 2020
persius555:


I miss the NA of the 80s-90s. The Tchadians are like hyenas. They make a mockery of you when you look weak and defeated.

It's amazing how they have made the best use of the social media platform for the world to see.
Why do you say this? IBB and Abacha started ruining the military from the 80's.

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