I saw a video on twitter today showing the COAS leading operations in the NE(that's what it was tagged) mere looking at the convoy, the type of vehicles used(Hilux)and the way they were advancing my heart was just beating. Many things went through my mind, it's very easy to lay ambush on our troops walai! Just one land mine/ IED will wreck havoc. I don't know why I am just irritated seeing those Innoson pickup/Toyota Hilux as our primary patrol vehicles, our guys are just too exposed, and genuinely feel for them putting into Cognizance the fact that just one bullet within the kill zone of the body is enough. I still insist we if possible sign a bond with Proforce for continuous production of Mraps infact we can help them expand production line by giving them necessary support (loans) same for NA's Ezugwu Mraps, if Innoson can manufacture APCs/Mraps they too should be given massive contracts, we need to relegate the Hilux for transport of logistics in other part of the country that are peaceful not a hot zone like NE.

BH, Nigeria military with a very well equipped AIR FORCE will crush BH quickly. Not an Air force whose majority jets is DD alpha Jets

15 of the 9/11 hijackers were saudi nationals, 2 from UAE, one from Lebanon and one from Egypt. These four countries haven't been touched by the US global war on terrorism, I wonder if attacks in the middle east is all about reducing terrorism.

I do agree with most of what you wrote, I said it before as well, to say the US couldn't defeat the Taliban is silly.
But i also wouldn't call the loss of over 2,400 US military personnel in Afghanistan minimal casualty, that's a lot of dead soldiers

jpphilips:


You are the only person that came close to understanding what the US went to do in Afghanistan, the rest were busy saying what they think, not uncommon here though.

US went to Afghanistan to degrade the Taliban, ensure their Alqaeda allies no longer have the capability to pull a hit on US soil after 9/11.
You can go back and listen to George bush address to the nation in 2001.

The last time I checked, that Objective was met with minimal casualties, one of the least in modern history, reason some keyboard warriors are struggling to pull out a better stats.

Haven met the primary Objective, there was global pressure to stabilize & rebuild Afghanistan, that gave birth to a secondary Objective which the likes of former US defense secretary Jim Mattis believe will not be achieved with the barrel.

It is irritating to read from comedians here that the US primary Objective wasn't met with overwhelming firepower.
Even the Taliban themselves have forgotten their terror projection agenda, they are now interested in local politics to control provinces & earn seats in Parliament, that's how useless they have become, thanks to the US "flawed strategy" according to some women here.

There is no Alqaeda group linked to the Taliban that has ever pulled a hit on US soil in the last 15yrs, another fact!! that's proof US met her primary Objective in Afghanistan.

ugo4u:
I saw a video on twitter today showing the COAS leading operations in the NE(that's what it was tagged) mere looking at the convoy, the type of vehicles used(Hilux)and the way they were advancing my heart was just beating. Many things went through my mind, it's very easy to lay ambush on our troops walai! Just one land mine/ IED will wreck havoc. I don't know why I am just irritated seeing those Innoson pickup/Toyota Hilux as our primary patrol vehicles, our guys are just too exposed, and genuinely feel for them putting into Cognizance the fact that just one bullet within the kill zone of the body is enough. I still insist we if possible sign a bond with Proforce for continuous production of Mraps infact we can help them expand production line by giving them necessary support (loans) same for NA's Ezugwu Mraps, if Innoson can manufacture APCs/Mraps they too should be given massive contracts, we need to relegate the Hilux for transport of logistics in other part of the country that are peaceful not a hot zone like NE.

I understand the safety measures of a mrap against mines/IED. But I also believe the mrap has its own disadvantages during an offensive battle due to is poor maneuverability it will drag troops behind and the MRAP is known for rollovers in bad road conditions

ruggedtimi:
I understand the safety measures of a mrap against mines/IED. But I also believe the mrap has its own disadvantages during an offensive battle due to is poor maneuverability it will drag troops behind and the MRAP is known for rollovers in bad road conditions

True, that's where armoured Humvees or Buffaloes come into play.

seankafor:
oga gone are the days .

Literally, no country even USA has the power to bomb a sovereign country into ashes without global outcry and retaliation.
If it was possible, why haven't they bombed NK and Iran?

Una too dey overhype this USA sef... there are levels to the lengths they can go.

http://www.aaj.tv/english/national/clinton-slams-obama-for-threatening-to-bomb-pakistan/

And just for irony's sake that's a Pakistani media reporting it.

And Iraq Libya might disagree with you.

Abeg let me make myself scare before resident online experts come after me

AskiaHarem:


Maybe not give a shit about you, speak for yourself clown.

Do the Nigerian government give a shit about people living in borno north senatorial district?

GabrielYulaw:


The fist objective was realized? Does that mean there's no longer Al Qaeda in Afghanistan? If the Talibans were indeed removed, where did the new crop come from?

The longer the US stayed in Afghanistan the longer they realized the war was unwinnable by conventional means. They could kill 10,000 Taliban for every one of their soldiers, but death and dying does not really matter to the Talibs. The Talibans take a long view of things. War is their profession and they go to war not necessarily to win, but to exhaust and outlast the enemy.

The Vietcong and the North Vietnamese did it and the Talibans did the same thing. In both cases, victory was not by conventional means. You just have to wait for your enemy to get tired and you can then get everything you want.

Tell me something. Is the world safer since the US invaded Afghanistan? Is it safer since they went into Iraq and created ISIS? Is it safer since they helped overthrow Gadaffi? The more they invade the more enemies they create and the more people flock in from all over to fight them. They seem unable to realize that.

Before the US invasion, Taliban was fully entrenched in Kabul and governing Afghanistan with shari'a law. Now they are in caves between Pakistan with Afghanistan. Bin Laden is dead, Zawahiri his deputy remains alive and he continues to issue statements from his hideout in Pakistan, but the core is defeated. Bin Laden’s son and potential heir, Hamza, who was described as "lion from the den" by Zawahiri, was killed sometime last year,he was widely seen as the emerging leader of al-Qaeda. As I've initially written, the core mission was to kill bin Laden /remove al-Qaeda /remove Taliban. All were achieved,but in time the objective shifted to stabilising Afghanistan, which resulted in the US being in this current quagmire. I will want you to note that it's possible if top al-Qaeda leadership were apprehended within weeks or months after 9/11, US forces would've withdrawn from Afghanistan, especially as the Bush administration prepared for war against Iraq.
P. S. The world has never been safe before and after now, the insecurity is now closer home that's why you feel it was safer before.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMgxwflm-hk

BabaOwen:
Why do you say this? IBB and Abacha started ruining the military from the 80's.

Yes, despite the rot, officers were dedicated and discipline was a culture among the low ranking officers despite the fact that nepotism was rife.

From the the quelling of maitatsine riot, bakassi conquest, to the peace keeping missions all over Africa, we had a military that was focus on getting result.

The military of today (under the democratic dispensation) is really a far cry from what we use to have.

kabe1:


Nigeria bought 12 Super Tucanos for $329 million. That individual claiming 600 million is telling lies.

We are also getting JF-17 thunders, we are also getting MI-35m helicopters. For the MI-35m once we pay the balance the remaining 8 units would be delivered.

The Tucanos can carry all the ground attack bombs and munitions in the US Air Force service apart from MOAB and Nuclear weapons.

The Tucanos can loiter and provide reconnaissance for 10 hours to ground troops, imagine that capability.

The Tucano is perfect for Nigeria considering we are not in a threat environment like Syria were the enemy has MANPADs.

We cannot buy the TU-160 it's not going to happen. We cannot buy the AC-130, that's not going to happen either.

What the Nigerian army needs in addition to more of the VT-4 Tank is a dedicated Air Arm, armed with Light Attack Helicopters.

Defense Security Cooperation Agency
NEWS RELEASE
On the web: http://www.dsca.mil Media/Public Contact:
pm-cpa@state.gov
Transmittal No. 16-55
Government of Nigeria – A-29 Super Tucano Aircraft, Weapons, and Associated Support
WASHINGTON, Aug. 3, 2017 - The State Department has made a determination approving a possible Foreign Military Sale to the Government of Nigeria of twelve (12) A-29 Super Tucano aircraft and weapons, including all associated training, spare parts, aviation and ground support equipment, and hangar, facilities, and infrastructure required to support the program. The estimated total case value is $593 million. The Defense Security Cooperation Agency delivered the required certification notifying Congress of this possible sale on August 2, 2017.

https://www.dsca.mil/major-arms-sales/government-nigeria-29-super-tucano-aircraft-weapons-and-associated-support

This matter has long been buried, but you have chosen to be very dishonourable and present disinformation, it is infantile to be getting emotive and calling people you do not know LIARS. But unforgivable when there is clear substantiated official records to the contrary of your opinion. This not the political section where the language is uncouth and people engage in inconsequential slanging matches to no purpose.

You really with that kind of behaviour downgrade the discourse.

First of all it was not just one individual but several individuals, Bidexiii, S400, and myself to name a few who all substantiated the position with reference to published state department records.

You also have one of the contractors to Sierra Nevada Corp. and the specific detailed contract sum of $344 million with reference to that contractor gazetted. The total not-to-exceed amount of the UCA is approved at $344,727,439 to include a Forward Looking Infrared System for six of the aircraft. This piece is projected to be funded soon after UCA award.

https://www.defense.gov/Newsroom/Contracts/Contract/Article/1700404/

The question is how many other contractors are involved in the whole package ? Because the Defense Security Cooperation Agency make reference to the whole package.

You can make two analogies for clarity if you don't understand. For instance in a large construction infrastructure project you will have several contractors and maybe 1 or 2 main contractors. The DFSA refers seemingly to the whole contract package not the singular contractor Sierra Nevada that is why they have the total contract package figure of $600 million.

You can compare this to a situation where you buy a new laptop for £400, it will not come with an operating system and if you are not very IT savvy. You will buy the Windows 10 , anti- virus, extended warranty, etc. that may cost you an additional £300, at the point of sale not getting the best deal, IMO. As many of you will know A laptop without the operating system and a few other accessories, is simply useless.

My suspicion is that for these over priced, turbo prop A29's the USA have tied in all kinds of service agreements, weapons training, communications infrastructure, weapons, munitions, etc, etc and further bumped up the cost. But in such a way these planes will be totally non operational without continuous USA input, how wise have we been. In addition because we lacked strategic foresight, we paid upfront for something you will not see in its completion until 2024.

You know you can have a legalised corporate scam (sorry market strategy manipulation), its very similar strategy that large multi national super market chains adopt with their inventories management.

What would Yahoo boys would call the entity that agreed to this deal ?

You have not dissuaded me from my original position, which is the total package contract sum is $600 million, I did not use condescending language to get my view across and call you a liar. Its still your prerogative to disagree or agree.

bidexiii:


Thanks for this man
Guys let do something ?

Let’s compare the Super Tucson vs Su-25 or other jet you would have preferred to get

For me the A-29 Super Tucano is a poor marketing strategy for a plane that has limited functionality but is being presented as a game changer to gullible unimportant 3rd world nations that are not considered strategic to USA interests.

The term COIN is one of these buzz word used in contemporary times to address the issues of counter-insurgency strategy in war against insurgency. It means everything but nothing specifically its ambiguous and fluid. As a consequence how do you measure its success

So when somebody carries a megaphone and says it is the best aircraft for fighting COIN in the world what does that mean what is the unit of measurement, historical deployment, battle records, delivery impact , etc, etc. In actual fact it means NOTHING, its just noise.

But the USA have said so, then it must be true according to a few. If somebody says that the food in his Mums restaurant is the best in the city, but he never eats there, Eeeeee get as he be Will you believe him.

Lets look at Iraq, Syria and Afghanistan and ask to what percentage of USA aircraft deployed over the past 5,7,10 years in these atypical COIN war settings were the A-29 Super Tucano. If you look at the % US flight hours for this the best COIN attack aircraft in the world across all locations the US has been engaged in COIN, how many flight hours has the A-29 Super Tucano in combat So how do you underpin the efficacy of an an attack aircraft without an experiential historical base line to make a deduction from. By presumption and or imagination.

Second observation, the USA has allies and partners, number 1 is probably UK or Israel, and NATO in the Middle east its Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Turkey, Iraq, Qatar, Pakistan, Morocco, Jordan all these countries are having issues with insurgency some to greater extent than others. They are either major partner or minor partners with the USA. Africa i really cant see a major strategic partner, or please correct me.

Now considering the relationship of these major partners and or minor partners and the need for COIN attack aircraft, how many of them have procured the A-29 Super Tucano in their inventory of their air forces The answer is a very loud resounding NONE not even ONE, I wonder why

So how did anybody conclude this A-29 Super Tucano is the "Creme de la creme of COIN attack fighter aircraft " This to me is an elaborate marketing ploy given to insignificant and inconsequential poor third world associates not partners.

Using a Yahoo boy term please correct me if i get it wrong, "Guy man chop, Moogo fall"

There is nothing to compare, one is battle tested proven, reliable, rugged ,resilient, bigger payload (triple the A29) and established with stupendous survival under fire, well over four decades, and can even run on poor grade fuel including petrol doesn't need complicated ground control avionics to get airborne.

They are two totally different aircraft so its a failed comparison.

But the crucial issue is we need aircraft in the NE, RIGHT NOW like yesterday not in 4 years time.

If I had $100 million, we could have 12 Sukhoi Su-25 within two week operational and 24 in 4/5 weeks all turning Boko to dust, that would be a complete game changer.

IMO not just my opinion, I know this war is very political and the fifth columnist are not in the rank and file of Nigerian armed forces but somewhere way higher up.

my two pennies , NUFF SAID

GabrielYulaw:


And? There are many other things the US does not sell its closest allies. Ever seen an American ally using a Nimitz Aircraft Carrier? And why would the allies buy the Raptor when the JSF is supposedly miles better?

Look, building a gunship is not rocket science. You just have to sit down and understand what you need and the tools you need for the job. You can even model it on computers to know how the armament would change the flight behavior of the plane. There is no science to it. In Vietnam the US even put gun and rocket pods, plus miniguns on light planes. Nothing is stopping us from copying that, but with more modern modifications.

Agreed without question.

komekn:




You have not dissuaded me from my original position, which is the total package contract sum is $600 million, I did not use condescending language to get my view across and call you a liar. Its still your prerogative to disagree or agree.

I don't need to dissuade you over anything. It is your prerogative to believe whatever fantasy you want to believe in.

I had earlier presented official records from Nigeria and US department sources.

If you like take it, if you like leave it. Your problem.

Don't mention my moniker on this topic again.

Thanks.

China exports first hj-12 anti-tank guided missile to Nigeria. How did we miss this.


https://www.globaldefensecorp.com/2020/04/09/china-exports-first-hj-12-atgm-to-nigeria/

Toju200:
He stopped us from getting three Chinooks and 10 cobras

Dude wake up and smell the coffee.

For the purposes of Nigerian armed forces US weapons are mostly over priced and take ages to be delivered.

The Mil Mi-28 night hunter is arguable better than the cobra but its about half the price as well.

The MI17 Will do everything in general we need a Chinok to do but at half the price and far less operating cost, in addition its a much more resilient and rugged aircraft.

Finally you will not have to wait for yeas to get them.

komekn:


Dude wake up and smell the coffee.

For the purposes of Nigerian armed forces US weapons are mostly over priced and take ages to be delivered.

The Mil Mi-28 night hunter is arguable better than the cobra but its about half the price as well.

The MI17 Will do everything in general we need a Chinok to do but at half the price and far less operating cost, in addition its a much more resilient and rugged aircraft.

Finally you will not have to wait for yeas to get them.

You are not getting the point. He isn't arguing whether Jonathan's administration made the right decisions regarding weapons procurement or not, what we've been trying to point out is that there has been efforts to frustrate Nigeria's war against insurgency and blocking weapons procurement for no sensible reason is just an example. I myself am a fan of Russian equipments, they are far cheaper and better than their western counterparts. I don't know what those in charge of our weapons procurement are thinking for God's sake.

Cannonleo:
very correct jlin, but an rpg at the rear of the vt4 is as good as a dead tiger tank of the olds, i loved thr vt4 immediately i saw it but when i saw the engine compartment behind and what could happen when hit , i only pray they initate cage armor immediately to protect the rear. As for the T 72, the fact the turrent holds the auto loader and its to small causes the cook off, a bit of ERA extensively arranged can reduce the chances of a cook off by half

It is not correct, the frontal armour of a t72 will not be penetrated by a RPG7, If it has reactive armour then its simply a NO NO.

As you probably know the silhouette of the T72 is very low, the effective range of a rpg7 is about 300 metres its not precision weaponry so trying to hit a moving tank in the Sahel with all the dust kicked up obscuring your vision is not that easy. Every tank has weak point trying to get isn't that easy.

Now getting hit by ATGM is another matter.

rka2:
China exports first hj-12 anti-tank guided missile to Nigeria. How did we miss this.


https://www.globaldefensecorp.com/2020/04/09/china-exports-first-hj-12-atgm-to-nigeria/

I like as we re shopping on a low.

Time to stock like those Egyptians

rka2:
China exports first hj-12 anti-tank guided missile to Nigeria. How did we miss this.


https://www.globaldefensecorp.com/2020/04/09/china-exports-first-hj-12-atgm-to-nigeria/

Is Nigeria getting weapons to fight bokoharam or modernising it's arsenal because this is unfair to bokoharam gun trucks
The only advantage this has over rpg 28 is range and accuracy. The rpg 28 has same armour penetration and significantly cheaper.
It is really commendable and would help taking out technicals kilometers away.

Whyem15:

Is Nigeria getting weapons to fight bokoharam or modernising it's arsenal because this is unfair to bokoharam gun trucks
The only advantage this has over rpg 28 is range and accuracy. The rpg 28 has same armour penetration and significantly cheaper.
It is really commendable and would help taking out technicals kilometers away.

It appears to be a combination of both and much needed.

seankafor:
I like as we re shopping on a low.

Time to stock like those Egyptians

If only

komekn:


For me the A-29 Super Tucano is a poor marketing strategy for a plane that has limited functionality but is being presented as a game changer to gullible unimportant 3rd world nations that are not considered strategic to USA interests.

The term COIN is one of these buzz word used in contemporary times to address the issues of counter-insurgency strategy in war against insurgency. It means everything but nothing specifically its ambiguous and fluid. As a consequence how do you measure its success

So when somebody carries a megaphone and says it is the best aircraft for fighting COIN in the world what does that mean what is the unit of measurement, historical deployment, battle records, delivery impact , etc, etc. In actual fact it means NOTHING, its just noise.

But the USA have said so, then it must be true according to a few. If somebody says that the food in his Mums restaurant is the best in the city, but he never eats there, Eeeeee get as he be Will you believe him.

Lets look at Iraq, Syria and Afghanistan and ask to what percentage of USA aircraft deployed over the past 5,7,10 years in these atypical COIN war settings were the A-29 Super Tucano. If you look at the % US flight hours for this the best COIN attack aircraft in the world across all locations the US has been engaged in COIN, how many flight hours has the A-29 Super Tucano in combat So how do you underpin the efficacy of an an attack aircraft without an experiential historical base line to make a deduction from. By presumption and or imagination.

Second observation, the USA has allies and partners, number 1 is probably UK or Israel, and NATO in the Middle east its Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Turkey, Iraq, Qatar, Pakistan, Morocco, Jordan all these countries are having issues with insurgency some to greater extent than others. They are either major partner or minor partners with the USA. Africa i really cant see a major strategic partner, or please correct me.

Now considering the relationship of these major partners and or minor partners and the need for COIN attack aircraft, how many of them have procured the A-29 Super Tucano in their inventory of their air forces The answer is a very loud resounding NONE not even ONE, I wonder why

So how did anybody conclude this A-29 Super Tucano is the "Creme de la creme of COIN attack fighter aircraft " This to me is an elaborate marketing ploy given to insignificant and inconsequential poor third world associates not partners.

Using a Yahoo boy term please correct me if i get it wrong, "Guy man chop, Moogo fall"

There is nothing to compare, one is battle tested proven, reliable, rugged ,resilient, bigger payload (triple the A29) and established with stupendous survival under fire, well over four decades, and can even run on poor grade fuel including petrol doesn't need complicated ground control avionics to get airborne.

They are two totally different aircraft so its a failed comparison.

But the crucial issue is we need aircraft in the NE, RIGHT NOW like yesterday not in 4 years time.

If I had $100 million, we could have 12 Sukhoi Su-25 within two week operational and 24 in 4/5 weeks all turning Boko to dust, that would be a complete game changer.

IMO not just my opinion, I know this war is very political and the fifth columnist are not in the rank and file of Nigerian armed forces but somewhere way higher up.

my two pennies , NUFF SAID

Wanted to reply you but when I saw the full length of your comment I was scared to read it. It’s very tucked hot here in the Far north and am tired.
But here are my takes; in terms of precision weaponry the Su25 does not even get close to the tucano, likewise avionics, ISR capability, cost of maintenance and its endurance time.
[/b]Starting from next year the Super Tucson will be replacing a lot ground attack assets especially for the S.O.F in the Middle East[b]
The super tucano is a game changer and a beast for ground target should fear.

AskiaHarem:


Bullsh1t per usual. TChad Didn't really do anything all that special. They raided a some rusty boko shacks, shot up a forest lost over 50 men and claimed they killed over 1,000 Bokos but can't display a single corpse. Some of you guys really are gullible buffoons. The Nigerian army raids boko bases yearly you just rarely hear about it becuase bad news especially regarding Nigeria(Free Africa in general) is far more sensational than good news. Chad is a malnourished poverty stricken french puppet state trapped in the desert nothing more sorry.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/04/chadian-troops-kill-1000-boko-haram-fighters-lake-chad-200409183528130.html

https://www.voanews.com/africa/1000-boko-haram-fighters-killed-raid-chad-army-reports

http://northafricapost.com/39900-chad-army-kills-1000-boko-haram-fighters.html

There is a word that you may not have heard of called corroboration, the response to an action confirms the other action and to some degree its effectiveness.

https://dailypost.ng/2020/04/07/leave-us-alone-prophet-muhammed-will-help-us-boko-haram-leader-shekau-begs-chadian-soldiers/

http://saharareporters.com/2020/04/05/chadian-army-kills-more-boko-haram-terrorists-shekau-begs-fighters-not-run-new-audio

Acrosss the entire NE from multiple sources both the NA , Niger and Cameroon are reports of fleeing Boko fighter coming into multiple locations in Nigeria.

https://www.vanguardngr.com/2020/04/boko-haram-kills-two-persons-loot-destroy-shops-in-borno-communities/

It was gathered that the Chadian troops allegedly set free some Nigerian soldiers held captive by terrorists at Magumeri, a local government in the northern Borno State. Five days later, April 4, the president announced that Boko Haram had been completely removed from Chadian territory.

https://www.africanews.com/2020/04/07/chad-president-joins-frontline-combat-against-boko-haram//

https://africafeeds.com/2020/04/11/chad-pulls-out-of-joint-anti-terrorism-missions-in-lake-chad-and-sahel/

In the political section , there have been claims of paid trolls who come in to make nonsensical claims, and use abuse and vitriolic rhetoric to prevent rational discussion of matters, and try to create chaos and unnecessary bitter wranglings.

I made reference to some media outlets in addition YouTube is filled with videos of killed Boko terrorists and thier camps as well as live battle field footage. But you have completely ignored that.

What on earth is your purpose, because it is not to join a balanced and substantive based discourse.

seankafor:
sometimes you over talk as you supposed to.

No rebel born of mortal can dare attack the fleet of escorts and armoured security details of chief of army staff.
The kind of helicopters and drones that I'll be hovering over the sky will even send shivers down any fvckers spines.

I think you are wrong.

These are deranged and delusional terrorists who are ready to welcome death as long as they are taking you with them. The have been attacking Nigerian army convoys in the NE Ad Infinitum so you think they all of a sudden stop now ? Then you are not being realistic.

komekn:


Dude wake up and smell the coffee.

For the purposes of Nigerian armed forces US weapons are mostly over priced and take ages to be delivered.

The Mil Mi-28 night hunter is arguable better than the cobra but its about half the price as well.

The MI17 Will do everything in general we need a Chinok to do but at half the price and far less operating cost, in addition its a much more resilient and rugged aircraft.

Finally you will not have to wait for yeas to get them.

oga we don get the MI17 and MI35M are u Happy now

ruggedtimi:
I understand the safety measures of a mrap against mines/IED. But I also believe the mrap has its own disadvantages during an offensive battle due to is poor maneuverability it will drag troops behind and the MRAP is known for rollovers in bad road conditions

100% Correct.

Can i add it is prone to getting stuck off road (prime target for rpg's), particularly the disproportionately big ones, nobody needs to tell you that are an east target, BIG & SLOW.

The very reason why the USA introduced the JLTV.

In the Sahel you need armoured vehicles with RWS that are nimble and fast, otherwise you cant even manoeuvre or outflank your enemy.

IMO the best MRAP we have is the S.African battle tested and proven Marauder and Reva the rest look way too heavy i guess the CS/VP3 has a basic pass mark but the rest look like they are way too heavy.

ugo4u:

True, that's where armoured Humvees or Buffaloes come into play.

Not exactly (not fit for purpose) The game changer for the USA is the JLTV

kabe1:


I don't need to dissuade you over anything. It is your prerogative to believe whatever fantasy you want to believe in.

I had earlier presented official records from Nigeria and US department sources.

If you like take it, if you like leave it. Your problem.

Don't mention my moniker on this topic again.

Thanks.

You called me a LIAR, not I .

You presented nothing official from Nigeria.

I presented to you with two official gazetted records from two different US STATE DEPARTMENTS.

So by implication the US State departments are telling LIES, and you are telling the TRUTH.

Now i wonder who is presenting disinformation and misleading untruths here

Once again you have not covered yourself in glory, very SAD.

rka2:
China exports first hj-12 anti-tank guided missile to Nigeria. How did we miss this.


https://www.globaldefensecorp.com/2020/04/09/china-exports-first-hj-12-atgm-to-nigeria/

Honestly am shocked , we are getting this

Whyem15:

You are not getting the point. He isn't arguing whether Jonathan's administration made the right decisions regarding weapons procurement or not, what we've been trying to point out is that there has been efforts to frustrate Nigeria's war against insurgency and blocking weapons procurement for no sensible reason is just an example. I myself am a fan of Russian equipments, they are far cheaper and better than their western counterparts. I don't know what those in charge of our weapons procurement are thinking for God's sake.

I DO, One thing the best DEAL they can cut for themselves and their off shore accounts, very simple.

Best value and the most effective use of our scarce resources is not a consideration.