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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by komekn(m): 2:04pm On Apr 12, 2020 |
BlackBaron: You have a superficial view and not one with any depth. Your question depicts your limitations. As a result i take no offence. It's not your fault,l will explain. The core subject is best value and most effective use of scarce resources and most cost effective alternative solutions. A Chinese HJ-12 ATGM will cost us at least $35k per unit could be up to $75k. We may be the first export customer for this weapons system and l hope we got it on the cheap. . If you retrofit a RWS and or upgrade the turret on our S. African Marauder with FLIR, target acquisition soft Ware, lazer pointing system, etc. How much will it cost? Procuring independent component from multiple sources. They already have HGM 20-30mm. My guess putting it all together per unit less than $35k. RWS has multiple alternative uses, comms with air assets and lazer pointing targets, takin out enemy troops and can be used time and time over and over for the next 10/15 years. In addition you develop your Iocal capacity and can retrofit all your MRAP's, APC, LAV, and even have them as part of defence for NA bases with high elevation. You can only use the ATGM once. How many are we prepared to buy and how many do we need. With the RWS that means target acquisition range 4km at least, which would mean 100% hit rate at 1.5 km. How many rounds to finish off a rusty run down Boko pick up gun truck negligible, costs very minimal to negligible. I expected our Engineers should be able to this it's not that difficult. I liken it being similar in principle to building your own desk top PC with multiple component sources as we used to do before laptops became so cheap. I am thinking long term STRATEGIC with the underpinning quest for best value and most effective use of resources. 5 Likes |
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by bidex111: 2:28pm On Apr 12, 2020 |
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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by phazotron(m): 2:46pm On Apr 12, 2020 |
Texman21: Afghanistan isn't Middle east. They're not even Arabs. Afghanistan as well as the other stans are in central Asia. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by phazotron(m): 2:47pm On Apr 12, 2020 |
ugo4u: This among others Is why we keep losing soldiers. 4 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Texman21: 2:52pm On Apr 12, 2020 |
phazotron: 1 Share
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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by phazotron(m): 3:03pm On Apr 12, 2020 |
komekn: This is what gave the us the upper hand against Taliban in Afghanistan. 1 Like |
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by phazotron(m): 3:07pm On Apr 12, 2020 |
komekn: Yes, We could do so much better than the tucano. 5 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by SamuelAnyawu(m): 3:09pm On Apr 12, 2020 |
BORNO STATE MONGUNO LGA 12 APRIL 2020 Information received from sources revealed that BH - ISWAP were seen gathering at Jumma Kuwon Village, which borders between Mafa and Monguno LGA. Their likely intention is to attack military and civilian targets at Gajiganna or Monguno. Tho I doubt if ISWAP will dare Monguno. Gajiram and Gajiganna Military should be on red alert ![]() 6 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by QuietMynd: 3:27pm On Apr 12, 2020 |
komekn:Wat ![]() 1 Like |
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by rka2: 3:27pm On Apr 12, 2020 |
As this Chad nonsense won't stop, I would like to point out that no other country would have survived BH/ISWAP in West Africa and environs the way Nigeria has without outside help. Where would Chad, Mali, Niger, Burkina-Faso etc. be without France & the US? Probably safe havens for jihadists. Nigeria is where the insurgency started and the country has been fighting on multiple fronts for years. Chad was saved by the French Airforce when rebels where advancing from the North not too long ago. BH has been attacking Nigeria from Chad as well and running back to their islands for years, but Chad did nothing. They can afford to carry out one operation to clear their islands but they are not like Nigeria that has to continually fight, as I have said, from multiple fronts. Even when Chad came into Nigeria in that 2014 period onwards, they were there for a specific mission before returning to Chad. NA would have been superstars if all they had to do from time to time is assist another country for a specific raid and then return to Nigeria. There are many people on this forum who believe they know better than people who have been fighting for years and know the limitations that exist. For many years Nigerians were complaining we don't make military hardware and criticised what was bought. The country decided to invest in its defence industry to start producing MRAPS etc. Next thing it is, we are not buying what we need from Russia etc or not buying second hand stuff from whatever country even though in the past, it has been a disaster without any maintenance agreements or spare parts. Now the country in buying from China government to government through an open tendering process and the narrative changes to we are not buying the right equipment. As if you know better than the people that need the equipment and requested for it. I tire for una. I have never seen a country that hates its military the way some Nigerians do. The closest I have come to seeing this is with the Scottish Nationalists. When will people learn that the national interest is above what political party you support, religion you follow, tribe you come from etc. I know some people won't agree with this because they think things will be different if every state or local government is a country. You forget that they will also be occupied by the same people, ex Nigerians. There are things that are wrong, yes, but do you think joining the narrative to paint your country in a bad light will further whatever cause you think you have. 3 Likes |
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by rka2: 3:29pm On Apr 12, 2020 |
QuietMynd: Don't even bother. This is from someone, if my memory serves me right, said he was an ex British Para. 2 Likes |
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by bidex111: 3:53pm On Apr 12, 2020 |
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by kabe1: 4:16pm On Apr 12, 2020 |
QuietMynd: As Komken continues to pass his usual misinformation, here attached is an aircraft similar in role US allies in the middle-east operate. This Air Tractor although inferior in capabilities to the A-29 Super Tucano, is used by UAE and Egypt. Also remember US special forces are going to get 76 units of Super Tucano. 1 Like 1 Share
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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Nobody: 4:39pm On Apr 12, 2020 |
Toju200:which of the MIG's? |
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Toju200(m): 4:43pm On Apr 12, 2020 |
BabaOwen:it wasn't stated that's what is keeping me in suspense.. The defense minister just said Nigeria may acquire THE MIG,Yak130 and artillery from Russia.. That was around 2018 |
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Toju200(m): 4:45pm On Apr 12, 2020 |
BabaOwen:here is the link Nigeria to buy Russian MiG, Yak- 130 fighters, artillery equipment ... https://nationalaccordnewspaper.com › ni... |
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Toju200(m): 4:51pm On Apr 12, 2020 |
Here is something for y'all to read: https://www.vanguardngr.com/2020/04/x-raying-nigerian-armys-unmatched-record-in-counter-terrorism/ |
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by bidex111: 4:54pm On Apr 12, 2020 |
Toju200: https://www.independent.ng/nigeria-to-buy-russian-mig-yak-130-fighters-artillery-equipment/ |
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Sizzorkay: 5:00pm On Apr 12, 2020 |
![]() ![]() ![]() Hope you aren't falling for that lol. Trump? ha, you know what the West does best? They patronize you to your face while trashing you behind closed doors. What expertise. The article is full of history but short on current reality, and that reality is, too many errors and setbacks in the North East Toju200: |
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Toju200(m): 5:10pm On Apr 12, 2020 |
Sizzorkay:yeah I know say u go confront me ![]() ![]() I wan find trouble |
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Sizzorkay: 5:18pm On Apr 12, 2020 |
Haha, you be my guy bro, no hard feelings here. Your enthusiasm on here is impressive, I'm on your side ![]() ![]() It's just painful how much our soldiers have been let down by the higher ups, it's upsetting. Toju200: 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by komekn(m): 5:23pm On Apr 12, 2020 |
QuietMynd: It's pertinent to keep my comments in context. The context was "Future projected" aircraft that will dominate in near future. I was contending the view given by Bidexiii that the A29 is the future of COIN. I gave a projection where future UAV will dominate with 40 hr coverage, to do over watch and other mission support duties for ground troops. I was totally wrong in my futuristic assumptions. That future is already here and exceeded . |
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by rka2: 5:44pm On Apr 12, 2020 |
This answers some questions on the goings on in the NE. https://www.vanguardngr.com/2020/04/our-soldiers-occupied-black-spots-while-chad-president-led-troops-against-b-haram-ndume/ |
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Toju200(m): 6:02pm On Apr 12, 2020 |
Sizzorkay:True talk bro |
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Nobody: 6:27pm On Apr 12, 2020 |
Toju200:Are you saying the Russians and Syrians are losing in Syria or is a draw match between Russians/Syrians versus IS/rebels/USA/Turkey ![]() You must be a joker ![]() 5 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Toju200(m): 6:36pm On Apr 12, 2020 |
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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by komekn(m): 6:38pm On Apr 12, 2020 |
bidex111: I apologise in giving you misleading information. Particularly in the context of " The future of COIN aircraft is the A29" which you claimed is the way forward. My assertion was that the future for COIN is going to be UAV's that can give you 40 hour coverage and overwatch with ability to drop precision ordinances and smart weapons. I reiterate I said that's the future. I was sorely wrong. Because that assumption of future projection is already HERE . A quick look at a few defence resources and l was quite shocked at the speed of R%D that had now gone forward into production and actual deployment. The one that shocked me the most was the UAE Adcom Systems, Yabhon United 40. The figures are 1000kg payload and 100 hours flytime with 26k ceiling, endurance that's crazy stupendous to me. Algerian airforce has two. However, l don't think the UAE had the command and control infrastructural technology for long distance control. So it may be control within a 400-600km limit. There are quite a few UAV's that carry huge payloads and exceed the 40 hr coverage. I've done two screenshot for your info. What we don't know is how much they cost. The now battle tested and proven Turkish Anka has a 24hr endurance and 500kg payload. Tunisia just signed a contract last month. For 6 Anka attack drones and 3 ground control stations which amounts to $240 million, the infrastructure for a ground control station will be millions. The UAV's were about $4 million each, but now battle tested and proven they can probably double that to $8-10 million. The British Skyguardian has some very impressive attributes as well. 40 hour endurance but a shocking payload of near 2000kg of smart weapon and precision ordinances. Your question ❓ prompted me to take a deeper look, thank you. 1 Like 1 Share
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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by komekn(m): 6:43pm On Apr 12, 2020 |
kabe1: Considering the bold, can you give specific clarity on the actual items of MISINFORMATION. That way l can correct the errors and even apologise. |
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Nobody: 6:44pm On Apr 12, 2020 |
jpphilips:You're wrong about this. |
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Nobody: 6:55pm On Apr 12, 2020 |
ugo4u:. |
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Odunayaw(m): 7:53pm On Apr 12, 2020 |
komekn:How many countries live in this "future" you're talking of.. If you still compare a CAS plane (built from ground up with that in mind) to UAVs, I don't know what to say anymore. The US still uses its Fixed Wing fighters and Bombers for CAS —at exorbitant cost than UAVs. |
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Odunayaw(m): 7:55pm On Apr 12, 2020 |
komekn:You're reading producer's manual and regurgitating here. Anyone can do that. |
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