nihilistjnr:



Nahhh.

Ronaldo had first mover advantage, in that nobody was doing it like him.back then. He was the only striker that was roaming the field and drimbling people left and right.

By the time Messi came along, we had seen R9, Henry, Kaka, Dinho perform such actions on a regular basis.

It was still spectacular but it wasn't new anymore.

Messi has been a top 2 player for 11 years. Top 3 for 12.

I know there's an argument that Ronaldo suffered game changing injuries, which I can accept.

But when you look at the sheer number of goals Messi has scored, even injury can't account for it.

Ronaldo's peak was at Barcelona where he scored 47 goals in all competitions. Messi has matched that once, and beaten it six times.

No amount of training can help you score 73 goals in a single season.

Well people have seen maradonna and his exploits plus other great players as well before Ronaldo so first mover argument don't cut it. Ronaldo was not goal shy. He had over 200career goals at the age of 23. Messi at that same age don't come close. That's why we always say injury ruined his career.
Like someone pointed out before even Suarez banged 59goals playing for Barcelona yet he has nothing on Fat Ron. Place Fat Ron in one of those Messi teams and he drop exactly those figures if not more.

airmark:


That was the best Ronaldo i saw.

Messi's natural talent was medically boosted, to top all other greats.

I can back this lovely slander as well.

BlueRayDick:


Yes. I watched him in France 1998 and Korea-Japan world cups. And I watched him play at Real Madrid.

I asked you the previous question because I saw you post this below:

BlueRayDick:


Honestly I believe most people overhype this Ronaldo Lima ability.

I'm not going to belittle messi's ability or achievements in anyway, but claiming de Limas ability is over hyped won't cut it bro. You're talking about a guy who literally lost three years of active football due to a career ending injury yet represented Brazil 98 times, scoring 62 goals, including 15 of those in the FIFA World Cup.

If I am not mistaken De lima became the world cup highest goal scorer after a career ending injury, after being overweight, ruled out by many people and declared finished by some.

P:S - De lima did all what he did without any form of protection from the referees. Also note that I've not taken anything away from messi. But you can't erase de limas exploits bro...theres a reason why theres still a special buzz about him.

nihilistjnr:


I can back this lovely slander as well.

airmark:


That was the best Ronaldo i saw.

Messi's natural talent was medically boosted, to top all other greats.

This talk ehn Abeg wetin be the name of that booster dem give am....Lemme write it down and give my son once he's born. He must do pass messi

BlueRayDick:


This talk ehn Abeg wetin be the name of that booster dem give am....Lemme write it down and give my son once he's born. He must do pass messi

Dr. Nihilistjnr, our endocrinologist, at your service.

spillo1:

I said it previously. No footballer in the history of soccer has more naturally ability and talent than Ronaldo.

Let's put it this way... He had Cristiano's pace, power and speed. Coupled with Messi's dribbling, finishing and technique. If only he had Cristiano fitness record.

diggz:


I asked you the previous question because I saw you post this below:



I'm not going to belittle messi's ability or achievements in anyway, but claiming de Limas ability is over hyped won't cut it bro. You're talking about a guy who literally that represented Brazil 98 times, scoring 62 goals, including 15 of those in the FIFA World Cup. If I am not mistaken De lima became the world cup highest goal after a career ending injury, after being overweight, ruled out by many people and declared finished by some.

P:S - De lima did all what he did without any form of protection from the referees. Also note that I've not taken anything away from messi. But you can't erase de limas exploits bro...theres a reason why theres still a special buzz about him.

I'm also not taking anything away from Lima. The reason why I said what I said was based on the crux of the whole discuss; "who is more talented between Messi and Lima"


I believe the talent we are referring to is Natural ability and skill displayed as a footballer.

It is not about what could've been or kanipe kanipe.

When I say people are overhyping Ronaldo's natural talent, I'm not saying Ronaldo is not the great player he was, I'm only saying they are deliberately looking down on messi for not winning a cup with his national team( Which has absolutely nothing to do with his talent)

As a talented footballer, messi has scored crazy goals, he's scored cheeky goals, he's made the best defenders look like fools, he's dragged his team from a losing position to winning with margin, he has pace, places the ball quite well beyond the reach of goal keepers....etc. Messi combines a whole lot of attributes of different top players.

I'm not taking anything away from Lima as well

BlueRayDick:


This makes sense if it is done properly as explained

Hopefully those staff of SUBEB won't hijack it and only share to few pupils' homes.

The Nigerian factor “might” come into play.

One thing I have always wondered is the low level of project monitoring in this country. It gives room for a lot of public officer to do as they like.

Greatihex:
Although, Nani had similar stat, but I don't need only that to know that Nani was their best player.

Ronaldo that was missing penalty and playing 20 shots without a goal and wasting his team's chances is the one someone wants to tell me delivered Portugal the trophy.

Like I said earlier, if you say Ronaldo won the Euros with Portugal, or you say, Ronaldo helped Portugal to win the Euros, there will be no argument, but don't tell us that Ronaldo delivered the Euros for Portugal. He was not even his team's best player for anyone to claim try and give him that honour.


BTW, Ronaldo did not assist any goal against Croatia.

Nani did not have a similar stat 2goals 2assists
He missed a pk in the group stage but his two goals and an assist in the 3rd match qualified them for the k/o stage..
Silver Boot
Team Of The Tournament
So tell me how Nani became their best player
Nani was not even among portugal's top 3 players at the Euros
Renato even had more recognitn

Kimbeast:

Well people have seen maradonna and his exploits plus other great players as well before Ronaldo so first mover argument don't cut it. Ronaldo was not goal shy. He had over 200career goals at the age of 23. Messi at that same age don't come close. That's why we always say injury ruined his career.
Like someone pointed out before even Suarez banged 59goals playing for Barcelona yet he has nothing on Fat Ron. Place Fat Ron in one of those Messi teams and he drop exactly those figures if not more.

LMFAO......What bullshit first mover advantage is that guy is talking about lol. Ronaldo was doing at 19/20 what Messi was doing at 23 and Cronaldo 26. Without the injuries, the greatest player ever. With the injuries, he is only 2nd to Maradona.

BlueRayDick:


I'm also not taking anything away from Lima. The reason why I said what I said was based on the crux of the whole discuss; "who is more talented between Messi and Lima"


I believe the talent we are referring to is Natural ability and skill displayed as a footballer.

It is not about what could've been or kanipe kanipe.

When I say people are overhyping Ronaldo's natural talent, I'm not saying Ronaldo is not the great player he was, I'm only saying they are deliberately looking down on messi for not winning a cup with his national team( Which has absolutely nothing to do with his talent)

As a talented footballer, messi has scored crazy goals, he's scored cheeky goals, he's made the best defenders look like fools, he's dragged his team from a losing position to winning with margin, he has pace, places the ball quite well beyond the reach of goal keepers....etc. Messi combines a whole lot of attributes of different top players.

I'm not taking anything away from Lima as well

No disrespect to messi but I'm going to pick de lima bro.

Tbh... even with the referees protection on footballers that we now have, and him not going on three years severe injury without active football he's yet to produce or do something tangible in the world cup. So, why do you want him rated higher?

Segedinho:

How does this negate others

Charms are real and have their "don't" as well

They can fail u at the slightest mistake.

It is possible

Kimbeast:

Ronaldo was not goal shy. He had over 200career goals at the age of 23. Messi at that same age don't come close. That's why we always say injury ruined his career.
Like someone pointed out before even Suarez banged 59goals playing for Barcelona yet he has nothing on Fat Ron. Place Fat Ron in one of those Messi teams and he drop exactly those figures if not more.

The advances in sports science alone can account for some of that shine.

Like I said a big reason why Ronaldo stood out is simply because nobody was doing it like him back then.

Tactics weren't as advanced, players weren't as fit.

These days, a centre back like zouma is one of the fastest players at Chelsea. Footballers these days are running 10-13 kilometres per game.

Thats why it was harder for the likes of Messi and Ororo to get an early start like De Lima. The level of competition was quite simply better.

De Lima scored 47 goals in his best ever season. That limit still holds true today as the goal scoring threshold that defines truly elite attackers.

20 goals is the minimum return for a decent striker.

30-40 goals is the usual ball park for the truly elite Strikers in the game.

Sometimes, an elite striker has one very hot season and breaks the 40 goal mark, like maybe Luis Suarez or Zlatan...

But only two players in the world have hit the 60 goal mark

And only one has scored 73 in one season.

It's not a matter of injury. R9's 47 goals is an example of pushing the limits of what's humanly possible.

Most elite strikers will never reach that milestone. And the ones that do will only ever do so on 1 occasion.

The only people who repeated the trick over and over again are Ororo and Messi.

The only person to score that 73 goals is Messi.

That's Messi's own version of the one hot season that Suarez, Ibra and R9 have.

That's pure talent. No level of coaching, training and diet can get you there if you don't have it. That's why it's never happened before, and won't happen again.

randomperson:


Both Ronaldo's and Nani's goals took them to the knockout stage... Nani also scored and assisted in the semifinals

hehehe, now you're turning it
Guereiro assisted Ronaldo for the first then Ronaldo assist Nani for the 2nd.......so where did Nani get his own assist in the s/f

larride:


The Nigerian factor “might” come into play.

One thing I have always wondered is the low level of project monitoring in this country. It gives room for a lot of public officer to do as they like.

That is the problem. It's a general problem ; majority of Nigerians are corrupt. That is why most people believe Buhari's anti-corruption crusade will not yield much result because he's tackling the problem from the top instead of the root.

Corruption is something Nigerians learn from a tender age. By the time u are a teenager u already understand the saying "nothing goes for nothing"...Everybody wants to use their position to make something on the side for themselves.

Even the people who are supposed to be in charge of monitoring get bribed and look the other way sef. U know these same education officers and teachers are the ones that go for external invigilation during SSCE exams. Once they get served "Mr Biggs" and soft drink with an envelope to take home as "Thanks for coming", they look away and let students and teachers go about their exam malpractice in "peace"

nihilistjnr:


I can back this lovely slander as well.

So Messi is a mutant

iamoyindamola:

The only JuJu they know is chop grass, ordinary ayeta can't work

Bros,Like i said before,charms are real

Ur disbelief have no effect on wat i personally pertook on.

I had my "don'ts"and i believe others had,failure to abide will render whatsoever ur juju is powerless.

nihilistjnr:


The advances in sports science alone can account for some of that shine.

Like I said a big reason why Ronaldo stood out is simply because nobody was doing it like him back then.

Tactics weren't as advanced, players weren't as fit.

These days, a centre back like zouma is one of the fastest players at Chelsea. Footballers these days are running 10-13 kilometres per game.

Thats why it was harder for the likes of Messi and Ororo to get an early start like De Lima. The level of competition was quite simply better.

De Lima scored 47 goals in his best ever season. That limit still holds true today as the goal scoring threshold that defines truly elite attackers.

20 goals is the minimum return for a decent striker.

30-40 goals is the usual ball park for the truly elite Strikers in the game.

Sometimes, an elite striker has one very hot season and breaks the 40 goal mark, like maybe Luis Suarez or Zlatan...

But only two players in the world have hit the 60 goal mark

And only one has scored 73 in one season.

It's not a matter of injury. R9's 47 goals is an example of pushing the limits of what's humanly possible.

Most elite strikers will never reach that milestone. And the ones that do will only ever do so on 1 occasion.

The only people who repeated the trick over and over again are Ororo and Messi.

The only person to score that 73 goals is Messi.

That's Messi's own version of the one hot season that Suarez, Ibra and R9 have.

That's pure talent. No level of coaching, training and diet can get you there if you don't have it. That's why it's never happened before, and won't happen again.

I am still not grabbing your point. He scored 73goals and he as well never replicated it so it was one off. If Suarez could scored 59goals playing for Barcelona and I have little to no doubt in my mind that a fit prime Fat Ron could easily pull those figures. Gerd Muller pulled 85goals in a calendar year and other impressive goals feat so it's not like both are doing things the football world hasn't seen before in terms of goalscoring.

iamoyindamola:

So Messi is a mutant

He was on human growth hormone.

If you think he's short now, he wouldn't have been taller than a bottle of malt if Barca R & D department did not intervene

spillo1:

LMFAO......What bullshit first mover advantage is that guy is talking about lol. Ronaldo was doing at 19/20 what Messi was doing at 23 and Cronaldo 26. Without the injuries, the greatest player ever. With the injuries, he is only 2nd to Maradona.

I still remember before the 98 world cup how the entire competition was built around a young Delima Ronaldo leading his country and boy he didn't disappoint. He tore the entire tournament to shreds. The fact that the world has seen Maradonna but still rave about a young Ronaldo should tell everyone how ridiculous talented he was. The first mover advantage don't ever Carry weight when the world has seen the exploits of Maradona coupled with other great players around that era as well.

nihilistjnr:


He was on human growth hormone.

If you think he's short now, he wouldn't have been taller than a bottle of malt if Barca R& department did not intervene

I think he would have been dead instead that midget

BlueRayDick:


So the working theory in this case is that Olórí Ogboni obviously did one of the "don'ts" àbí?

Is he infallible??

What happen if a very good electrician touches a naked wire carrying a very high amount of electrical current

Let me use my case then,as an example

I was adviced never to get close to a female urine as well as avoid eating food cooked with "dog meats"

I can't categorically tell you what his was,i still cannot vouch if he did any bullets prevention juju.

There are several juju that get neutralized when you get close to girls on their menstrual cycle.

Kimbeast:

I am still not grabbing your point. He scored 73goals and he as well never replicated it so it was one off. If Suarez could scored 59goals playing for Barcelona and I have little to no doubt in my mind that a fit prime Fat Ron could easily put this figures. Gerd Muller pulled 85goals in a calendar year and other impressive goals feat so it's not like both are doing things the football world hasn't seen before in terms of goalscoring.

.Please we're talking modern era so don't muddy the waters by referring to s time when they used to wear Timberland boot to play football.

Anything from the mid 80s please. The landscape was to different to draw any other comparison.

Anyway, Ronaldo never replicated his 47 goals so there's nothing to suggest that he could do it again...

Let's not forget that R9 won WPOTY on 3 occasions...but he only managed that 47 goals once in those 3 year's

R9 had his elite one hot season. That's all.

But his one hot season, is Messi's baseline.

Scoring 73 goals in this era of football will never be replicated. It's not training...it's talent.

A very fit R9 is only faster n stronger than messi.
I can't really any other aspect he's better.
Some peeps are talking like he didn't play with the best of his generation as well.
It's okay to Eulogise R9 who was the greatest in his time, But messi is simply a bit better.

Oasis007:


Are you a SA to any political Office Holder?! Honestly you deserve an Appointment. You are up-to-date, and do present your Submissions with verifiable Facts and Figures.

No o. Though the plan is to start somewhere, maybe LG chairmanship first.

Most times I just follow the news, read different report before forming an opinion.

nihilistjnr:


.Please we're talking modern era so don't muddy the waters by referring to s time when they used to wear Timberland boot to play football.

Anything from the mid 80s please. The landscape was to different to draw any other comparison.

Anyway, Ronaldo never replicated his 47 goals so there's nothing to suggest that he could do it again...

Let's not forget that R9 won WPOTY on 3 occasions...but he only managed that 47 goals once in those 3 year's

R9 had his elite one hot season. That's all.

But his one hot season, is Messi's baseline.

Scoring 73 goals in this era of football will never be replicated. It's not training...it's talent.

ok

Herbiedeen:

Nani did not have a similar stat 2goals 2assists
He missed a pk in the group stage but his two goals and an assist in the 3rd match qualified them for the k/o stage..
Silver Boot
Team Of The Tournament
So tell me how Nani became their best player
Nani was not even among portugal's top 3 players at the Euros
Renato even had more recognitn

since you have started lieing and saying ridiculous things, then this will be my last on this.

Nani scored their only goal against Iceland, scored the first against Hungary and scored against Wales. That is 3 goals.



Since you have decided to be ridiculous, even quaresma had more recognition than Ronaldo.

Kimbeast:

I still remember before the 98 world cup how the entire competition was built around a young Delima Ronaldo leading his country and boy he didn't disappoint. He tore the entire tournament to shreds. The fact that the world has seen Maradonna but still rave about a young Ronaldo should tell everyone how ridiculous talented he was. The first mover advantage don't ever Carry weight when the world has seen the exploits of Maradona coupled with other great players around that era as well.

See what Luis Enrique (Delima's ex team mate, Messi's ex manager) said:
"
I’d seen him on television at PSV and thought ‘wow’. Then he came to Barcelona. He's the most spectacular player I’ve ever seen. He did things I'd never seen before. We’re now used to seeing Messi dribble past six players, but not then."

diggz:


No disrespect to messi but I'm going to pick de lima bro.

Tbh... even with the referees protection on footballers that we now have, and him not going on three years severe injury without active football he's yet to produce or do something tangible in the world cup. So, why do you want him rated higher?

Well like I said earlier, I rate Messi higher based on what he's done on the pitch so far compared to what Ronaldo did. I'm not basing it on what could've been.

The issue of injuries have been overflogged on this thread a la Neymar. If we want to start taking injuries into perspective, we could start pushing the narrative that Neymar should've won the World cup and all of he wasn't getting injured at crucial times. I'm not a fan of this line of thought.

Messi for one knows how to evade tackles; he's fast that way. See below video collection of his dribbles against Madrid. It was almost like he dribbles them the same way every time ; one would think they would've studied past question, but messi being messi he keeps doing it


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pL19ZZdh_M

Kimbeast:

I still remember before the 98 world cup how the entire competition was built around a young Delima Ronaldo leading his country and boy he didn't disappoint. He tore the entire tournament to shreds. The fact that the world has seen Maradonna but still rave about a young Ronaldo should tell everyone how ridiculous talented he was. The first mover advantage don't ever Carry weight when the world has seen the exploits of Maradona coupled with other great players around that era as well.

This is Mourinho speaking about a 19yr old Ronaldo. At 19 he was already the best player in the world.

"Ronaldo, El Fenomeno. Cristiano Ronaldo and Leo Messi have had longer careers, they have remained at the top every day for 15 years.
"However, if we are talking strictly about talent and skill, nobody surpasses Ronaldo [Nazario]. When he was at Barcelona with Bobby Robson, I realised that he was the best player I'd ever seen take to the field.
"Injuries killed a career that could have been even more incredible, but the talent that that 19-year-old boy had was something incredible."

Thunder fire injuries.

BlueRayDick:


Well like I said earlier, I rate Messi higher based on what he's done on the pitch so far compared to what Ronaldo did. I'm not basing it on what could've been.

The issue of injuries have been overflogged on this thread a la Neymar. If we want to start taking injuries into perspective, we could start pushing the narrative that Neymar should've won the World cup and all of he wasn't getting injured at crucial times. I'm not a fan of this line of thought.

Messi for one knows how to evade tackles; he's fast that way. See below video collection of his dribbles against Madrid. It was almost like he dribbles them the same dribble every time one would think they would've studied past question, but messi being messi he keeps doing it


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pL19ZZdh_M

Agreed! Then let messi outperform him in world cup.