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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Roland17(m): 11:38pm On Jul 17, 2020 |
Here come Marcelo Bielsa and his Leeds United team. I am so excited about watching his team play in the EPL from next season. 2 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by airmark(m): 11:46pm On Jul 17, 2020 |
macjireh: Liverpool will want to have a decent result against us to lift the cup though. A win against Liverpool is crucial. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by pkasso(m): 12:49am On Jul 18, 2020 |
chic2pimp:Chief, while i appreciate your concern on this case, there is no point in trying to patch things up with someone who clearly has something against you. I'm not going to force myself to get along with someone when the feeling isn't mutual and me supporting Bayern has nothing to do with what anybody does and says. So make everyman just dey him lane. 2 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by 96forever: 12:49am On Jul 18, 2020 |
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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by OtemAtum: 1:17am On Jul 18, 2020 |
96forever:. Take that to a religious centre. They will always mindlessly repeat whatever you ask them to say. 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by pkasso(m): 1:29am On Jul 18, 2020 |
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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by PlainJAY(m): 1:56am On Jul 18, 2020 |
pkasso: I'm good, bro. I've been following the thread silently, glad to see different personalities emerge including our own resident 'god' Long time, how are you doing ? 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by pkasso(m): 2:08am On Jul 18, 2020 |
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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by obainojazz(m): 3:07am On Jul 18, 2020 |
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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by odizeey(m): 4:33am On Jul 18, 2020 |
macjireh:So, UCL is not important to us. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by SirWhiteFish: 6:16am On Jul 18, 2020 |
GPOD MORNING TO ALL ARSENAL FANS OUT THERE... sorry in anticipation |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by timbros(m): 7:00am On Jul 18, 2020 |
airmark: Benzema didn't score in those matches, yes. But Madrid scored that is why they won those matches. Stop making it look like it was all defence that delivered the league. You only need to look at Madrid's top scorers to know the importance of Benzema this season. With 21 goals, the next best scorer is a defender with 10 goals (a large chunk being PK).... Doesn't that tell you that Madrid's attack is shit if not for Benzema? Chelsea didn't outscore their opponents, simple. 2009/10 Chelsea must have played Burundi or Rwanda league when we were scoring 6 to 8 goals for fun... 4 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by timbros(m): 7:02am On Jul 18, 2020 |
raumdeuter: It's as simple as that. I don't know why people will downplay the importance of someone who scored 21 goals when the next best scorer in the team is on 10 goals (that's a 11 goal difference). 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by timbros(m): 7:06am On Jul 18, 2020 |
BlueMann: The two defensive additions only tightened the defence. It only made them concede less. If not for the wicked front three, and the marauding full backs, do you think Liverpool will win the league? And let's be realistic, will there be a way the defence will keep a clean sheet all season? 2 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by macjireh: 7:10am On Jul 18, 2020 |
odizeey:DAT is ur consign na ...since 4/4 is sweet to u guys at d detriment of top4,,den go ahead |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by timbros(m): 7:12am On Jul 18, 2020 |
airmark: Man City 2017/18 that ended the league with 106 goals must have played Estonian league to be scoring 3 to 5 goals per game almost consistently. 5 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by timbros(m): 7:22am On Jul 18, 2020 |
Ibime: This your post goes both ways. If Courtois doesn't play, will Real Madrid play with 10 men? Another goal keeper will surely take his place and any decent goal keeper that keeps for Madrid will keep at least 3/4 clean sheets, at which point the goals is the real Championship winner since you can replace Courtois with any Madrid-level goalkeeper and still win the League. This is why I told you in an earlier post that "if" arguments is pointless. Going with the reality on ground, Benzema played a prominent role in Madrid's title win. 4 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ibime(m): 7:45am On Jul 18, 2020 |
timbros: But it could be argued that the drop from Courtois to another keeper is steeper than the drop from Benzema to another striker, and could tip the title away from Madrid. 21 goals is an average season to expect from a starting Madrid striker. He hasn't done anything you wouldn't expect, infact he's got exactly the same goals at last season, however the defence has improved by exactly 100% - going from 46 goals conceded to 23. The defence and keeper therefore have had a season way above and beyond above the normal Madrid season in terms of goals conceded and clean sheets. Their improvement is what has tipped the league in Madrid favour. Benzema has equalled and bettered this seasons goals twice without winning the league. The difference is that the defence ensured his 21 goals is enough to win the league this time. So he has played a prominent role, but statistics and antecedents will place the improvements in defence as the no1 ranking catalyst for the title win. 10 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Neobulletzz(m): 7:55am On Jul 18, 2020 |
Bro this your analysis no be am ooo Conte did not revert to three at the back because of any weak defense, that has been how Conte plays before Chelsea, he did that with Juventus and even with Italy Luiz might be inconsistent oooo, I am not talking about the Luiz of now but the Luiz of then might be inconsistent but on a good day, Luiz is a good defender and a leader. He shout at his fellow defenders or players, something Chelsea currently lack in that defense. We don’t have any leader at the back. Azpilicueta; Chelsea’s captain can’t even voice out There was never a time Leno was rated or better than Ter Stergen, never Bro And yes Courtois performance have never been bad so because Messi score am for kolo, na why you wan talk say Courtois bad. Who Messi no fit disgrace? Guardiola kick out Joe hart because of one reason, he was not ball playing. You want to keep for Guardiola, you must be ball playing as well BlueAngel444: |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 7:58am On Jul 18, 2020 |
Ibime: We can argue that Benzema basically carried Madrid with historically poor support attack cast to the title An attack That contributes almost nothing in assists and goals Benzema is leading goals and he is at the same time leading assists. Its usually players like Messi that leads both stats in the same team or how many teams do you see the same player topping goals and at the same time topping assists The other attackers combined Isco Hazard Vinicius,Asensio, James Bale Vazquez combined have less goals than Benzema His goals won the most points by any player in the league 4 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ibime(m): 8:06am On Jul 18, 2020 |
raumdeuter: 8 assists is nothing for a striker and is not extraordinary. Madrid assists are shared around so no one ever posts high assists numbers in that team. You can't downplay his prominence but you can't rank him no 1. His goals scored and team goals scored is just another season for Madrid. Benzema goals have improved 0% from last season while total team goals have declined just 7% (the defence clean was good enough to still swallow the 7% decline in output and not only improve position, but win the league outright) The goals conceded though is an extraordinary improvement from a normal Madrid season - an exactly 100% improvement on last year. raumdeuter: If defence has kept clean sheet for you, scoring a goal a game will be worth 3 points. If defence is conceding anyhow, your goals start to become worth 1 point or 0 points. 6 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by timbros(m): 8:20am On Jul 18, 2020 |
Ibime: @bolded: It depends. Courtois>Areola vs Benzema>Jovic. Judge for yourself which drop is steeper. Benzema's numbers is not the best in Europe neither should it be a standard for any no. 9 in a top team. But fact still remains he is the highest goal scorer by some miles without even taking penalties! The next best scorer is Ramos with just 10 goals (6 penalties). Look at other attacking players, their numbers is what you guys call "poverty numbers" in this streets... Real Madrid won the league with 68 goals and only Benzema scored 21. Atletico concede 26 goals but is in 3rd position. Barcelona concede more (38) but are in 2nd. Why? Because they scored more and as a result won more matches. Bottom line is, if Benzema didn't score that amount of goals, Madrid won't win the league by conceding less. His numbers is not the best for an elite striker, but its the best for a title winning Madrid team. 10 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 8:27am On Jul 18, 2020 |
Ibime: The drop from Cortouis to a Madrid standard goalkeeper is also not as steep as you are making it to sound. Keylor Navas won them the last league and 3 CL titles. Benzemas 8 assists is about tp 5 in the entire league When you are the main goal outlet recording 20+ goals then 8 assists is generous output. Lewandoski for example has 4 assists, Aguero has 4 assists Lukaku has 2, Aubameyang has 2 assists Infact of all the golden shoe chasers in Europe this season players with 20 goals or more only Messi has more than 8 goals While a player like Lewandoski will look at his attack and see Muller behind him breaking assists record, he has Gnabry behind him with 11 assists, the best Benzema can get is Hidden Hazard with 3 assists the entire season How are Madrid assists shared around? when no other Madrid player has g+a > 10 none of the other Madrid attackers have more than 3 assists Basically Benzema ran the Madrid offence both in goals and in assists. I can even say very few strikers in the world will thrive in the poverty numbers that other Madrid attacking support cast are delivering Atletico dont concede but lack of goals, Simeones side have conceded just 3 goals more than Madrid but are 20points behind Real Madrid because they scored 18 goals less than Madrid. That mean they will never win, All their clean sheets is wasted because no one will do the business on the other end I am sure Atletico with their solid defence will die to have a striker to deliver >= 29 g+a like Diego Costa did for them in 2014 9 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ibime(m): 8:39am On Jul 18, 2020 |
timbros: Striker position is a confidence and match-rhythm position. There is hardly any club with a starting no9 where people are not frustrated with the substitute no9. This is why I like to have my substitute no9 that can play wings to keep up his rhythm, sharpness and confidence. So that when Drogba is injured for example, Anelka can step in to no9 position and still win golden boot like in 08/09 season. I can't guarantee that a starting and confident Jovic won't score 21 goals same as Benzema. Conversely, I can almost guarantee that swapping Ramos for Militao won't keep the same number of clean sheets. Areola would push Courtois close but will also fall slightly behind for goals conceded and clean sheets. 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by timbros(m): 8:59am On Jul 18, 2020 |
raumdeuter: You've made all the points clear. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Herbiedeen(m): 9:03am On Jul 18, 2020 |
[quote author=raumdeuter post=91831235] The drop from Cortouis to a Madrid standard goalkeeper is also not as steep as you are making it to sound. Keylor Navas won them the last league and 3 CL titles. Benzemas 8 assists is about tp 5 in the entire league When you are the main goal outlet recording 20+ goals then 8 assists is generous output. Lewandoski for example has 4 assists, Aguero has 4 assists Lukaku has 2, Aubameyang has 2 assists Infact of all the golden shoe chasers in Europe this season players with 20 goals or more only Messi has more than 8 goals While a player like Lewandoski will look at his attack and see Muller behind him breaking assists record, he has Gnabry behind him with 11 assists, the best Benzema can get is Hidden Hazard with 3 assists the entire season Navas was never a Madrid standard, we won matches then by outscoring opponents. we were just fortunate to have the BBC in attack You can't compare the prime BBC era with this attack |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by timbros(m): 9:04am On Jul 18, 2020 |
Ibime: So basically Areola can give similar of what Courtois gave while Jovic can't give what Benzema gave. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by patrickmuf(m): 9:09am On Jul 18, 2020 |
raumdeuter:Isn't LA Liga a local trophy again? He should do it without Ronaldo in the UCL... |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ibime(m): 9:17am On Jul 18, 2020 |
timbros: Why can't Jovic give a 21 goal season as starting striker with confidence on his side? He's come close before in lesser team. I rate Areola, that's why I'm not just going to rubbish him completely. Goalkeeper position is also a match-rhythm and Confidence position Can Militao or Nacho what Ramos gave? |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 9:21am On Jul 18, 2020 |
patrickmuf: That is the trophy that has been denied Madrid for so long. Only twice in the last 10yrs. While they have won 4CL in the same time As we speak of all active players Benzema has the 3rd highest CL goals 2 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 9:24am On Jul 18, 2020 |
Ibime: How will Jovic give it when his support attackers are dropping 3 assists a season. You think every striker will be like Benz that can score and also assist. Most of the strikers look for players that will be serving them plenty assists not 2,3 assists attackers 2 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by afrodoc2: 9:37am On Jul 18, 2020 |
When people are comparing the exploits of 5 people i.e the Madrid defence to the exploits of 1 person i.e Benzema then you already know the answer to the question. You can’t say you are making a fair comparison when you have to do Courtois+Ramos+Varane+LB+RB in order to rubbish Benzema. Benzema was the single most important individual player responsible for the league title. The Madrid defence is not a player. 15 Likes 1 Share |
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