In a real sense that company belong to good people of Nigeria.

segun18:


No my brother. Airpeace is not a Govt owned Airline. Pls kindly do your research well

sugah:

The bolded is very incorrect. A pilots office is the cockpit and I gathered they needed a place to come together and discuss on a line of action to resolve the issue hence the carpark of the airport was chosen. (Insider source)
While its common knowledge that the aviation industry worldwide and even Nigeria was badly affected by the coronavirus, they were the only airlines that were still flying during the lockdown with chartered and evacuation flights so how come they are the only ones that sacked pilots that have refused to risk their lives for a meagre 20% of their salaries?
What I saw is an outburst of a proud man that believes he can get away with anything cos I don't see how a first reaction to an issue will be a threat to close down his own company..he obviously feels he is doing them a favor by running the airline but forgetting that an airline cannot survive without pilots and engineers.

How many flights did the operate during the lockdown? Max one or two a week to india or UAE with most of their fleet remaining grounded with running lease, insurance and general maintenance expenses. They also had bloated workforce. Arik introduced a 90% paycut . Same with Azman. The whole sector is in a mess . I don’t believe they can afford those salaries . Profit margins are very little in the aviation sector Couple with all they go through here in Nigeria.
Hadi sirika predicted that many airlines will not survive this covid and they have to do everything possible to prevent collapsing.

In 2015 arik almost went into extinction and is still struggling in debt and have lost much of its capacity . As at today Nigerian airlines are weak and airpeace seems to be the only one with a bit of capacity . I don’t think green Africa will come through this year with the low travel capacity . I’d even prefer airpeace invites credible Partners/ investors to come in to strengthen their corporate governance as it is today there are no checks against Allen Onyema‘s influence.

What next for them ? Azman dislikes anything airpeace and I doubt if the Azman boss will want to take them in. Some recommended practicing abroad but currently there are thousands like them round the world who have also been laid off from mega carriers

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkRuR1pn_BA

seunmsg:


How many African countries gave financial packages to support industries?

How many African countries have up to Nigeria's annual budget? How many African countries received 3.1 billion USD from the IMF specifically as Coronavirus aid? Y'all keep defending incompetence and mismanagement, that's why the country will continue to be "Giant of Africa" only on paper.

Baawaa:
69 pilots at a go,how many pilot do they have or they want to fold up

How much do they even pay their pilot �‍✈️ any ideal.?

abnot:


How many flights did the operate during the lockdown? Max one or two a week to india or UAE with most of their fleet remaining grounded with running lease, insurance and general maintenance expenses. They also had bloated workforce. Arik introduced a 90% paycut. Same with Azman. The whole sector is in a mess . I don’t believe they can afford those salaries . Profit margins are very little in the aviation sector Couple with all they go through here in Nigeria.
Hadi sirika predicted that many airlines will not survive this covid and they have to do everything possible to prevent collapsing.

In 2015 arik almost went into extinction and is still struggling in debt and have lost much of its capacity . As at today Nigerian airlines are weak and airpeace seems to be the only one with a bit of capacity . I don’t think green Africa will come through this year with the low travel capacity . I’d even prefer airpeace invites credible Partners/ investors to come in to strengthen their corporate governance as it is today there are no checks against Allen Onyema‘s influence.

What next for them ? Azman dislikes anything airpeace and I doubt if the Azman boss will want to take them in. Some recommended practicing abroad but currently there are thousands like them round the world who have also been laid off from mega carriers

How many flights did they operate? I didn't keep track but they had very many other chartered flights even on the 737 and the 145 unlike other airlines that were totally shutdown.
@bolded, not quite correct. Arik introduced a 90% paycut for the months of lockdown (April, May and June), they aren't currently paying their pilots 10% salary for flying, no sane aviation expert will do that considering the risks it poses.
Airpeace is getting to where Arik was years ago and its solely due mismanagement. No successful biz is run on sentiments and emotions let's be realistic. I agree, If he wants a successful biz then he should professionals to run it and get his emotions in check.
Unfortunately, Green Africa's choice of the Airbus might not be a smart move. Nigerian Airlines don't even need Boeing aircrafts and that's the mistake they make. A 50 seater Embraer has more profit margin than a boeing and I hope United Nigeria picks up as it seems they have an idea about running a low cost.

Azman and Dana were hoping the airpeace pilots would cave in to the pressure so they can also effect same to their guys as airpeace had the most pilots and flights in the industry...but unfortunately Airpeace had a more sinister plan.

EdiskyHarry:
God bless ibom airline
God bless gov udom Emmanuel
God bless akwa ibom state
God bless the United States of Niger delta.

Amen oooo

Reference:


Ibom Air wll last a bit longer at taxpayers expense of course then the goverment will shut it down as well as a profligate white elephant in a decade and a half"s time. Nigeria doesn't have what it takes to operate a sustainable aviation industry.

And if not so... God will inturn punish you and your useless generation.. Amen

Miracle1991:
Since FBI discover the source of his money the guy don broke.
Niger Delta money is not coming again.

69 multiplied by 1.5 million naira monthly do the maths. It's indeed tough for their business during this pandemic with a low passenger turnout. They must still pay the 3000 remaining workers.

SmartProf:
69 pilots at a time o? This one go shock buhari seriously when he reads about it. There are some professions in which you can't proceed on private practice yourself, you just have to work for an organization, establishment, company, etc., and this is one of the risk of having such career path especially where there is no job security.

The thing that amazes me sometime is while will someone want to be a pilot in Nigeria, air travel is only limited to the elites.

Baawaa:
69 pilots at a go,how many pilot do they have or they want to fold up

And the sad truth is that no sure opening in any airline worldwide. So where is the next destination for all these pilots being shurn out by the airlines around the world - From BA to Airfrance. This is very pathetic, very, very indeed. And this is somewhat a closed profession. What a world!

VirginSearcher:
They should leave even if it is South Africa, Kenya, Ethiopia or Rwanda they will get a good job as pilot

Really?

obonujoker:


Remember when you used to blame GEJ for everything??

So stop wailing

I remember those times

[quote author=sugah post=92426795]

Were you paid for all this ? , Why are You spamming the whole thread, why telling people to discard thread with source, if people can't believe this thread with source,why should we believe yours.

P.s
Alot of Airlines are laying off there workers due to harsh time caused by Pandemic, you are here spamming the whole thread .

Ilaumoh:

You are rejoicing at other's downfall but cry when they talk about yours . Well , Akwa Ibom air and airport is also nonviable white elephant that will crash sooner or later , so what's your point?

sugah:


How many flights did they operate? I didn't keep track but they had very many other chartered flights even on the 737 and the 145 unlike other airlines that were totally shutdown.
@bolded, not quite correct. Arik introduced a 90% paycut for the months of lockdown (April, May and June), they aren't currently paying their pilots 10% salary for flying, no sane aviation expert will do that considering the risks it poses.
Airpeace is getting to where Arik was years ago and its solely due mismanagement. No successful biz is run on sentiments and emotions let's be realistic. I agree, If he wants a successful biz then he should professionals to run it and get his emotions in check.
Unfortunately, Green Africa's choice of the Airbus might not be a smart move. Nigerian Airlines don't even need Boeing aircrafts and that's the mistake they make. A 50 seater Embraer has more profit margin than a boeing and I hope United Nigeria picks up as it seems they have an idea about running a low cost.

Azman and Dana were hoping the airpeace pilots would cave in to the pressure so they can also effect same to their guys as airpeace had the most pilots and flights in the industry...but unfortunately Airpeace had a more sinister plan.

Why you dey carry this Airpeace matter for head.

abnot:


Sugah this link is what I read before writing this. In march I never foresaw the lockdown extending beyond the announced two weeks. If your employer has a history of not owing you or cheating you and something like this happens give them a benefit of doubt. With the lockdowns and grounding for 4 months I don't need to see their financial statement to have an idea of how bad things are. I don't think anyone foresaw things getting this bad in march.
Regarding the threat what I saw was an emotional response from a founder who began to believe some insider pilots were out there to frustrate the dream as they carried out a protest at the airport. The airline is still a start-up and too young to be having it's pilots openly protesting as that will drive away passengers and further plough the airline downwards.

The airport terminals are empty as passenger traffic is picking up slowly. Not the best of times for everyone in the sector. If emirates can terminate thousands of contracts without blinking why can't pilots negotiate with their employers in line with the realities of today ?

They were confident last week that they'd be able to come to a compromise which I believe engineered them to deny the pilots striking story that was out in the media. But as it turned out another disruption was planned for today and they were better off taking precautionary actions with the hope that the business climate will improve.

You don't need to follow her dey argue, just allow her to Spam the whole thread.

Roundpeg:
And the rate of unemployment keeps going high. God help us in this country.
As God has blessed you with something, please remember those who Covid19 has taken away their source of livelihood from them. Unfortunately I happened to belong to the group as a private school teacher. This is why I'm begging from you. It's better than stealing. Any amount dropped in the account is a life saver. I pray you shall never be in this kind of need in life, amen.

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Wakama101:
You are rejoicing at other's downfall but cry when they talk about yours . Well , Akwa Ibom air and airport is also nonviable white elephant that will crash sooner or later , so what's your point?

Super story

SmartProf:
69 pilots at a time o? This one go shock buhari seriously when he reads about it. There are some professions in which you can't proceed on private practice yourself, you just have to work for an organization, establishment, company, etc., and this is one of the risk of having such career path especially where there is no job security.

Even private practitioners are hit, ask yourself who are their customers, fees must be slashed.

There is reduced demand for goods and serviced, shoprite proved that. Government slashing of budget further proves that.
The useless firs ought to know that.

I wonder why these guys buys expensive planes for a 1 hour trip, they dontvfoy overseas much, why not buy smaller more economical craft.

Why do you hire so many pilots? Let's face it apart from a few states like Lagos, Abuja, PH, Kano which other state has serious traffic?

Looking at the model of our airline at home, I can say these guys are getting some sort of subsidy cos their expenses greatly exceed revenues.

Covid has exposed that.

sugah:


How many flights did they operate? I didn't keep track but they had very many other chartered flights even on the 737 and the 145 unlike other airlines that were totally shutdown.
@bolded, not quite correct. Arik introduced a 90% paycut for the months of lockdown (April, May and June), they aren't currently paying their pilots 10% salary for flying, no sane aviation expert will do that considering the risks it poses.
Airpeace is getting to where Arik was years ago and its solely due mismanagement. No successful biz is run on sentiments and emotions let's be realistic. I agree, If he wants a successful biz then he should professionals to run it and get his emotions in check.
Unfortunately, Green Africa's choice of the Airbus might not be a smart move. Nigerian Airlines don't even need Boeing aircrafts and that's the mistake they make. A 50 seater Embraer has more profit margin than a boeing and I hope United Nigeria picks up as it seems they have an idea about running a low cost.
Azman and Dana were hoping the airpeace pilots would cave in to the pressure so they can also effect same to their guys as airpeace had the most pilots and flights in the industry...but unfortunately Airpeace had a more sinister plan.

Air peace needs those pilots . On Sunday they cancelled flights from Abuja to uyo as well as Abuja to Kano. They have new aircrafts coming in from September which they’ll needs pilots to for . Another thing I suspect is that they are planning to retire those 737-300/500 due to its high cost of maintenance. If they do that they’ll definitely need more embraer pilots and May have to look for expatriate pilots . Allen Onyema is clearly learning on the job and relying on advice from Consultants to take decisions. It has its pros and cons but better to have a professional airline manager as CEO to manage his airline.

Aside the negative I believe he also has his positive sides . During the lockdown he campaigned for bailout to enable the airlines to be able to pay their staff. He has also been campaigning for protectionism from the government to strengthen thE Nigerian airlines thus weaken the dominance of foreign airlines on Nigerian skies , he introduced better pilot welfare system in the industry and above all he Took the risk investing in a sector that almost everyone Runs away from due to its low margins and low lifespan . He needs to work on their weaknesses such poor customer service ( you can hardly ever get their customer service over the phone ), also need more technology investment and a better conflict management system.

Wakama101:
You are rejoicing at other's downfall but cry when they talk about yours . Well , Akwa Ibom air and airport is also nonviable white elephant that will crash sooner or later , so what's your point?

Lmao a new government will come and sell of the planes and tag the project a white elephant one . Government run aviation businesses are not run as businesses in most african countries

If Allen onyema could treat pilots this way, I wonder what he would pay the Cabincrew members already on 97k salary with no flight allowance before COVID-19, he fired this guys because of the disrespectful pay he was offering them, I no blame am sha, Na until his planes begin to fall from the sky , he will understand!!!!

quentin06:
I wonder why these guys buys expensive planes for a 1 hour trip, they dontvfoy overseas much, why not buy smaller more economical craft.

Why do you hire so many pilots? Let's face it apart from a few states like Lagos, Abuja, PH, Kano which other state has serious traffic?

Looking at the model of our airline at home, I can say these guys are getting some sort of subsidy cos their expenses greatly exceed revenues.

Covid has exposed that.

Each time I go to the airport and see the number of Boeing 737s I wonder who advises these people . Those planes are not meant for domestic routes. Air peace later realised that and bought 50 seaters embraers . Same with arik they later bought CRJ 900s .

abnot:


Each time I go to the airport and see the number of Boeing 737s I wonder who advises these people . Those planes are not meant for domestic routes. Air peace later realised that and bought 50 seaters embraers . Same with arik they later bought CRJ 900s .

Yes, what's wrong with turbo props?

Killdemboth:


I hear you, you think those countries will employ foreigners at this time of global melt down. They have more pilots than Nigeria incase you dont know their aviation school is among the best in Africa.

Its all about Recommendation... You can't just send an application on your own!... Find an influential individual in nigeria or africa to take care of that for you... And they may be back in no time on Air.

MajesticKris:
Sacked to join the Dozens jobless on the streets ...

I hate this...

If it was dozens jobless in the streets, we for nor complain Na.
It's tens of millions of unemployed and underemployed.

Baawaa:
69 pilots at a go,how many pilot do they have or they want to fold up

So disturbing

Well the pandemic has affected all facets of economic activities.

abnot:


Air peace needs those pilots . On Sunday they cancelled flights from Abuja to uyo as well as Abuja to Kano. They have new aircrafts coming in from September which they’ll needs pilots to for . Another thing I suspect is that they are planning to retire those 737-300/500 due to its high cost of maintenance. If they do that they’ll definitely need more embraer pilots and May have to look for expatriate pilots . Allen Onyema is clearly learning on the job and relying on advice from Consultants to take decisions. It has its pros and cons but better to have a professional airline manager as CEO to manage his airline.

Aside the negative I believe he also has his positive sides . During the lockdown he campaigned for bailout to enable the airlines to be able to pay their staff. He has also been campaigning for protectionism from the government to strengthen thE Nigerian airlines thus weaken the dominance of foreign airlines on Nigerian skies , he introduced better pilot welfare system in the industry and above all he Took the risk investing in a sector that almost everyone Runs away from due to its low margins and low lifespan . He needs to work on their weaknesses such poor customer service ( you can hardly ever get their customer service over the phone ), also need more technology investment and a better conflict management system.

True, that's why I said the decision to sack instead of dialogue was an emotional rather than logical. Experienced airline pilots are not just sitting around doing nothing..how does he plan to replace the sacked 69? Poaching from other airline? He'd have to pay more to get them at the end of the day spending more money. Even as weak as Dana seems they're better paying than airpeace and they are still at the negotiating table because its professionals handling the negotiation.

Even with the phasing out of the 737 classic he'd not have enough crew for the 13 E2195 he ordered so why sack the good hands you have?

Foreign pilots are never a better option especially if the plan is to save cost because apart from paying them in dollars, they'd have to house and transport them which comes at an added cost...and since the 195E2 is a brand new aircraft they can't even get people already typed on the aircraft.

I agree on some of his positives except the weakening dominance of foreign airlines. My brother, we don't want that until our Nigerian airlines have the range to provide the services their foreign counterparts can.
Some years ago a friend of mine wanted to travel from lagos to Abidjan but only airfrance was available so he had to fly to CDG first before returning to ABJ that's literally 1:30mins from lagos. We still have a lot of ground to cover within Africa before fighting for international relevance.
Arik started but failed to complete it although they still have a better potential than Airpeace because they have a better organisational structure. AP isn't even as good as Arik was years ago and they're already going down the drain.

Customer service is a general Nigerian problem but yes I agree theirs require much more work.
Truth is, aviation isn't really a lucrative biz, this is one thing Nigerian investors don't know..it takes years to break even before even making profits but they want to start raking in profits from yr1 which then leaves the company high and dry